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Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read.
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Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now.
On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves.
Is this a dumbtell and didn't read the OP? Did he read boxerfred's last game and took all his ideas (Ie I'll act like I'm so newb everybody will just read me over for a few days)
On June 13 2015 00:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
What I want to do is find out why geript stopped posting after WaveofShadow had a scumread on him.
@batsnacks, I mean, I'm pretty sure I made it clear I was a town but sure, go ahead and waste your vote.
I sure am not seeing this "I made it clear". "Go ahead and waste your vote" is a very interesting way to word a vote on you if you are town.
On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
##unvote
##vote moosygoosy
On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this.
Making sense? He quoted one post and said talk about this.
I like Oat's post about "N00bking" looking townie since didn't stop his advice posting even when people stopped him - that makes a lot of sense.
Bats and Geript bussing Moose? looks like the most logical conclusion I see at this time.
## Batsnacks / Geript / MoosyDoosy but that would be too ez.
But not liking Batsnacks.
Anyone have any questions or want to point out things I may have missed?
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You have three votes Bats, how do you feel about those people? (N00b, ruxxar, Oats)
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You're probably right - Geript calls out Batsnacks post at the beginning too
On June 12 2015 10:47 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 10:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. I invited you to talk to me but you've given me the cold shoulder thus far. I has a sad  Kinda busy dog sitting. Was really sruprised when people didn't jump on that post at all. Like that's a post that mafia would usually be all over if that guy's town. It's so... indecisive... passive... unopinionated... blah. I've only skimmed but that was one of two posts that stuck out to me. Batsnacks weird post stuck out to me too. IDK what he's doing, pulling a chezinu? IDK. I couldn't figure out wtf he was trying to say. I'll look at it again later when I get a full read in, but his post was at least interesting even if it is probably NAI
Just putting my thoughts out - I think I'll re-read rexxar next.
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On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.
Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.
The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence. Wow moosy. I have to give you 5 stars for this read. It's like you're inside my head or something. I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on. You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube. I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do. From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent. They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto, often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person. I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon). Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town.
This is Rexxar's best post. The goosebumps part sounds so legitimate and would be extremely creative to fake from the posts he made earlier. Slight town read
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On June 13 2015 02:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote:Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now. On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Is this a dumbtell and didn't read the OP? Did he read boxerfred's last game and took all his ideas (Ie I'll act like I'm so newb everybody will just read me over for a few days) On June 13 2015 00:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
What I want to do is find out why geript stopped posting after WaveofShadow had a scumread on him.
@batsnacks, I mean, I'm pretty sure I made it clear I was a town but sure, go ahead and waste your vote. I sure am not seeing this "I made it clear". "Go ahead and waste your vote" is a very interesting way to word a vote on you if you are town. On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
##unvote
##vote moosygoosy On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. Making sense? He quoted one post and said talk about this. I like Oat's post about "N00bking" looking townie since didn't stop his advice posting even when people stopped him - that makes a lot of sense. Bats and Geript bussing Moose? looks like the most logical conclusion I see at this time. ## Batsnacks / Geript / MoosyDoosy but that would be too ez. But not liking Batsnacks. Anyone have any questions or want to point out things I may have missed? Ok, let's get this straight. As I said multiple times before, I'm new to TL and online Mafia. Either way, I'll address your points. 1. You say geript is a good Mafia from previous games and he's too obvious here leading to the conclusion he's not Mafia. If that's the case, how would you expect me to know that? I've never played TL Mafia before and never played with geript so I wouldn't know. 2. All I know about boxerfred is from his post here where he said he couldn't play and from his lack of posts. I don't even know what games he was previously in. The only person I know is Trfel who goes on Bnet forums from time to time which is where I commonly post. 3. I don't see how "Go ahead and waste your vote" is weird. I'm clearly a town so I don't see why batsnacks would vote for me. 4. I already explained why I worded my first post in my first Mafia game in the way I did. I've obviously seen why that's a bad thing to do (Mafia will find a way to point it out and lynch me) so I'm obviously not going to do that in the future. Is there anything else?
1. I was not saying either way - but Geript is a good mafia player.Is he AFK or uninterested or mafia or both? That's what we're trying to figure out. If you have free time and would like, the TL Mafia Database has a listing of peoples games here and links.
2. I'll rephrase - Boxerfred posted a lot of newbie/dumb questions and skated on this for a few days until people got suspicious of him. It was a ruse. You have read the whole OP (first post) now right? You know what roles CAN be in the game?
3. You just said it again. "I'm clearly a town" - if you say it enough I'll start to believe it? People who keep saying lines like this irk me. "The Most Basic Form of Mind Control is Repetition"
4. Fair enough point, thank you.
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On June 13 2015 03:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
You wish you could get me lynched bbygrl.
I like your 'everyone is town' list. Especially the part where you exclude me from it.
And how he obviously hasn't read the whole thread.
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But he saw Damdred replaced in
lol
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On June 13 2015 05:37 Kickstart wrote:Damn I went back to sleep and slept forever. 2 replacements already whata game. Still think ruXxar is slightly scummy but several people think he isn't so that's that. + Show Spoiler +Sulfuris did come in and logic up his posts but that still leaves me baffled about his initial vote. If he is so concerned with the logic of his arguments and reads then how the hell did he make that post with that mindset. Seems like he did something scummy then tried to logic his way out. Seems the idea of a bats lynch is gathering steam. I actually thought his posting was weird but I have only played with him in 1 other game to go off of. I'll reread his filter at some point before EoD and see if I still get that impression.
What makes you think he's slightly scummy? And if others think he's slight town (like myself, I pointed out his interesting goosebump post) what's it matter? Every one could say X is town and if I don't agree, I'm going to say it.
"If you’re right and you know it, speak your mind. Speak your mind. Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is still the truth."-Ghandi
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I'm around if you have any questions.
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On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway Trfel, what makes bats town?
I had a town lean on batsnacks due to the balance between his jokes and serious reads. Since then, batsnacks has been much more serious, and his jokes are few and far between, so this read isn't valid any more. On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
NAI is a new thing lol.
I kinda like ruxxar.
It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them.
He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO.
(bold added) So if he doesn't do it intentionally, then why is it towny? On June 12 2015 15:03 n00bKing wrote:
It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said.
You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player. This point about ruXxar continuing to press the lying issue is good. I guess I judged ruXxar too early. ##unvoteOn June 12 2015 16:35 Rels wrote:
Hello everybody, GL HF!
I'll read the thread now and comment on things. See you soon. I really don't like this post at all. Posting without having read the thread is useless, the only thing it helps with is making it look like you're doing more work that you actually are, and it detracts from scumhunting. But making a useless post after the investigation has already started is pathetic. On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent. Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this? On June 13 2015 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't decide now if I think geript and bats could be scum together for this horribleness. Association cases = bad but I can't help it and I THINK it's probably not the case. One of them at least for sure though.
I have no idea why someone as experienced as WaveofShadow would share a potential association case while in the same post acknowledging that association cases are bad. Please explain. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. Why does calling out the player with only one post, who needs to get replaced, make someone town? Especially because, if you are town, he called out the easiest player to pick on who happens to be confirmed town. I really don't like batsnacks' response to the pressure on him. Batsnacks doesn't normally react like this, he's fine under pressure. In my first game playing with him, I tunneled him for basically all of Day 1 and Night 1, and he made a post telling people to stop arguing about useless things and read the case I had posted on him. I need to read some filters, but batsnacks seems very active, concerned about his safety, but not providing actual content. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:42 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 03:28 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what geripts alignment is... Clearly that guy is 3P. I don't know what 3P means either. Third party.
Let me rephrase this since I see what you are saying but I didn't type that properly. Rels made a case on my replacement slot that he believed in, and caught Plants in a "lie" - I saw him a slight town read for believing in his case. I meant more of (even if he is calling out my replacement slot).
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On June 13 2015 07:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:Rels1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler +1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia. And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler +Fake)Plants only had one post.
Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post. Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. Oh hey good timing. I really disagree on the easy target. I have no idea who is mafia between geript bat and moosy, if any. On the other hand the entrance post of plants was and still is super bad. And I don't care for IRL wifom, a lie is a lie.
So it sounds like you have been thru the thread. Any other thoughts?
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Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar
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KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder.
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They were both town those games.
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Rels I think you're required to revote after a replacement.
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On June 13 2015 08:40 Rels wrote:Alright scott I don't see your posts as scummy. Could you comment on this list post of yours: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar Could you please add justifications for the "could lynch" nominees ?
Batsnacks - Been on the wagon most of the day and play is different then his normal town. His last few posts have been slightly better though so that's why I haven't voted him yet.
Geript - Hasn't taken much of a stance - his list post wasn't that great - He's a good mafia player but really has a IDGAF mode this game so far.
MoosyDoosy - pretty down the line middle - the "Sulfurus is the easiest to make a case" post, "wishy-washy"
Sulfurus - has like four posts - unsure if he's legit AFK/IRL or just shitting the bed - and none of them were that great, and quick start vote. Probably leaning the most ATM
RuXxar-3/4's of his thread is about liars and and the rest is pretty blah - Hopefully he'll show up tonight.
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On June 13 2015 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:K stuff I remember while reading earlier: Geript might not be scum. At the very least I give him more time. Especially since nobody seems to want to comment on what I've brought and those who have have been completely noncomittal. Givin' me the jibblies. ##unvote: GeriptTrfel's posting looked pretty good at first glance. Liked the stuff he picked up on Rels. I want to do a once-over just to see any surface similarities between here and the last game I played with him (I think I was scum in that one) and see if anything jumps out at me either meta- or otherwise. Sulf still looks like ass balls. Probably primary lynch for me right now. ##Vote: SulfurusShow nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks Like what IS this? Reiteration of stuff I already said, townreading me for no explained reason, opportunistic bats vote after being completely noncomittal about it earlier, and also while possibly attempting to pocket noob? I dunno somebody mentioned that Sulfurus' meta is to post kinda shitty but I can honestly say I don't care about that here. Scummy posting is scummy. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:02 batsnacks wrote:
K well I have the longest filter now and anyone who thinks mafia batsnacks has the biggest filter d1 is a silly goose and I don't mind getting lynched by silly geese because they can't be reasoned with anyway. So I'm going to go play dwarf fortress. Hated this post because it reads as though batsnacks was simply aiming for this the entire time. Wouldn't vote him because of it but ugh city. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 07:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia. Wishy Washy very naughty. eh, not wishy washy. I initially thought that Rels was a townie and didn't suspect him. What Trfel says is very interesting and would be a very hard read on him but I don't feel it's concrete enough to vote for him right off the bat. It does raise some yellow flags around him tho. This is STILL wishy-washy. Side note: I think the fact that Rels jumped right into the thread and started responding to posts in order (without reading the entire thread first) is slightly Town-indicative. I don't think it's a GOOD habit to have, but I don't think it's something a Mafia player would do. And I could tell that's what he had done even before he admitted that's what he had done. Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future. Yuuuppppp Loving Moosy for this really. For the record I believe 'wishy-washy' on its own is a horrible scumtell. It's completely circumstantial and Moosy's play is pretty consistent although his continued attempts to purposefully draw attention to how inexperienced he is is starting to annoy me. We get it Moose, you're new. Just play the game now. The pressure batsnacks is under brought Rels to the surface. I don't know if anything more needs to be said on him consider how opportunistic his vote was even after pressure seemed to be dying down a little, but now he looks like scum who got caught with his pants slightly down and is being forced to stick to his guns while at the same time looking for a way to get off a possible town wagon. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 09:23 Rels wrote:
And batsnacks, you have very few post worth reading with an enormous filter.
Though I have this feeling: that's weird that everybody is on you. Really, if you're mafia it means that scott, moosy or damdred almost have to be too.
But that doesn't matter atm. Make content and if someone is scummier than you I'll vote that person. That's it. That is a godawful post ladies and gents. Keep an eye on this one. Finally, Scott I want to know who your top lynch is.
I had it about a page back when Rels ask that Sulf is my top lynch at this time, and I think it's time to vote.
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On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks
So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct?
Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no?
Who would you like to lynch besides Bats?
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On June 13 2015 14:12 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct? Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no? Who would you like to lynch besides Bats? What about batsnacks' posting is towny? Self-meta?
A lot of his posting recently- for an example
On June 13 2015 07:37 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:34 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 07:26 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:23 n00bKing wrote:
I'm confused about why you expect people to think you're Town? Can you help with that?
Well you haven't given me anything that I haven't responded to and you haven't brought anything new to the ongoing case on me in a long time so... I'm just assuming that you stopped scum reading me and forgot to switch your vote. Or you haven't decided who to switch to yet. Okay. Well nope, I continue to agree with you that you're a reasonably good lynch target for Day 1. Also, you're aware that the player you're voting against now was not anywhere on your "would lynch" list, an hour ago? Trfel really turned your whole world upside down that quickly? Yes he did Trfel makes awesome cases. Also I made that list before I started reading filters. If you follow the thread you can verify that.
Do you think this is just a pocket or he is mafia?
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On June 13 2015 15:01 Trfel wrote:Scott31337: You gave a slight townread on ruXxar, but then put him in your could lynch category. What changed? Your explanation is based on stuff that he said before you gave your slight townread on him. When I together that list, he had not posted at all since this morning. It has faded since then with his inactivity. Now that you say something, he is from Norway and could be time zones for the reason. He should be back on in a couple hours then instead. One more question: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:58 scott31337 wrote:
Batsnacks - Been on the wagon most of the day and play is different then his normal town. His last few posts have been slightly better though so that's why I haven't voted him yet. What do you mean by the bolded?
Bat was the wagon with three votes when I replaced out. I asked him about the voters on him, and I see more of a defensive town at the moment. A couple of my town reads agree.
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On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:I'm trying to figure out why people are scumreading sulfurus. I read through his filter and I found nothing to make me read him as either alignment. I went through the voting history to see who voted for him. The kickstart vote was too early to judge for me, so I ignored it. The next one to vote is geript. Reading through geripts filter I get a bad vibe. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. He pointed out that since noone jumped on moosy for this post, then moosy is mafia. This makes no sense to me. To me that post is filled with genuine excitement from a newbie. Seeing as I'm a newbie too i understand all to well how he must've felt in his early posts. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:31 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript I don't understand how you go from seemingly town-->scum-->town on moosy without any real change in anything he has done. Not following thought processes with you at all, though I think that actually might be standard for you and it annoys me. Never assumed he was town to start w/ babycakes. Moreso: 1. Moosy makes a god awful post --> I think he's scum 2. No one pushes Moosy --> If he's town I'd expect someone to have jumped on him therefore scum 3. Posts a shit ton --> Probably just nubian with bad opening and mafia afk or otherwise engaged Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:29 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Did you look at this post at all? He's commenting about things that don't really matter in a way that he's seemingly had some interesting thought on it. He asks a question that's essentially a statement. He meanders through potentially interesting topics while giving no opinion on anything. Then he plays the dumbtell card. It's a big post that literally offers nothing while commenting on things in a way that confer a formed opinion. It almost can be boiled down to: "I've been thinking about this game, but I won't really comment on it at all. What do you guys think about this random stuff?" I don't see even newer town players do that often. Then he gets into an argument with waveofshadow who also picks up on his inconsistency in alignment on moosy. I can't see his reasoning for voting on sulfurous. Basically he said 2 things about sulfurous: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. and Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him? I'd rather lynch you. Then kickstart says this which aligns with my own thinking. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:03 Kickstart wrote:
Went through geript's filter. His move off moosy and onto sulfurus was weird to me. He just said "id rather lynch you" in this thread, then voted in the other thread, and hasn't mentioned it at all. strange. This give me a townlean on kickstart. I still think bats is our best lynch for day 1, but geript has raised a red flag for me. I want to know why he's voting for sulfurus.
Why does this just scream "save sulfurus" for some reason to me?
On June 14 2015 00:56 geript wrote:
Scott was kicked out of my town circle btw. I forgot why.
I never knew I was in it. ?
On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that.
Nice...
Is it because I'm voting for Sulfurus?
On June 14 2015 03:32 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:41 geript wrote:
Nah. Damdred is 100% town. He's gotten pretty easy to read. Geript, I understand that you don't want to give away your secret read on Damdred, but I need to understand why you are saying this, at least on some level.
I am curious of this as well...
On June 14 2015 03:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:Sulfurus. batsnacks is not Mafia. He's been playing a shitty game as he says and he deserves to die for doing so, but he's a townie no matter how I look at it. I'd prefer to vote for geript as he's acting strange as well, but the priority should be to keep a townie alive.
So I'm really not saying anything here, very nice political answer.
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On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:Rels' Read Progression- Suspicious of ruXxar early
- Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
- Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
- Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
- Changes read on ruXxar to town
- Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
- Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
- Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
- List post
- Unvotes batsnacks
- Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
- Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling.
I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man!
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On June 14 2015 05:36 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:18 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 04:56 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 04:40 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 04:13 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 03:50 n00bKing wrote:
Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position?
Knowing that there is only 1 kp, then i believe there is a case both for and against the PGO to reveal himself. Here are my scenarios for and against : For: The PGO is a weak town player that might get cop checked. The PGO is one of the strongest town players and likely to be targeted by the medic. Against: A semi strong town player is the PGO, but he's not the strongest. Medic will most likely protect the perceived strongest town player. The mafia knowing this will go for some of the second strongest targets they know probably won't be saved by the medic. In this case it's beneficial for the PGO to not reveal himself. That's pretty interesting, considering you had just said this: ruXxar wrote: After reducing kill power to 1 I would agree that Carl revealing himself is a good play. In my first post I was just taking into consideration that mafia with 1 kp perform 1 target action per night and that town has 2 with cop and medic. It wasn't until my last post that i thought about it more deeply and tried to figure out the real scenarios. I'm also not used to mafia with more roles than mafia, cop, medic, vigilante and town. A lot of my thinking right now is automatically based around just having those roles in the game, since that's what i've had the most exposure to. I'm trying to rectify this. You're moving in the opposite direction of what would make sense, though. You assumed the Town had only Cop and Doctor. And said that once the Mafia was down to 1kp, it makes sense for Carl to claim. Now, nevermind the fact that a discussion OF the Carl role ALREADY destroys your notion that the Town only has Cop and Doctor as its non-vanilla roles. When you add in Dr. Weird and Frylock as additional Town roles that could be killed by Carl (both of which would kill Carl at the same time!) it becomes way MORE obvious that Carl needs to claim. Instead, when you thought about it more, you start to see a case for and against him claiming? That doesn't make any sense. Please make sense. My scenarios make sense in the isolated scope i presented. I'm trying to make sense of the role listed posted on the first page but it's confusing me. Show nested quote +scum team - "Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday"
context: + Show Spoiler +
Roleblocker - Cybernectic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future:
Every night, you may choose a player to roleblock, which will prevent them from performing actions and visits that night. The roleblocked player will be notified, even if s/he is vanilla. + Show Spoiler +
Rolecop -Happy Time Harry:
Every night you may choose a player to role check. You will get a result saying what role they have.+ Show Spoiler +
Godfather - Ignignokt the mooninite:
You return "town" to cop checks, as though you were a vanilla townie. + Show Spoiler +
Vigilante - rabbot:
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. + Show Spoiler +
Goon - plutionian (Emory and Ogelthorpe) + Show Spoiler +
Town
Mad Hatter - Dr. Weird:
You have 1 bomb. At night you can place that bomb on another player, or move the bomb. When you die, the bomb blows up killing them. If your target is lynched, your bomb is lost. If your target is shot, the bomb is returned to you. You win with the town.+ Show Spoiler +
Cop - Allen (Alien):
Each night phase, you may choose a player to investigate. You will visit the player and receive "Town" or "Anti-town" as a result. Your results are guaranteed to be accurate. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
Veteran - Master Shake:
You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
Vigilante - frylock:
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. You win with the town.
+ Show Spoiler +
Paranoid Gun Owner - Carl:
The Paranoid Gun Owner passively (and involuntarily) kills anyone who targets it during the Night. You win with town.+ Show Spoiler +
Doctor - Neil:
Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to protect. You will visit the player, and if the mafia attempt to kill a player you are protecting on the same night, the kill will fail. Neither you nor the target will be notified if you prevent a kill. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
VT - Meatwad piece + Show Spoiler +
According to this, it's possible that the 3 mafia can have these roles: Role blocker, rolecop, godfather, vigilante and goon. Or does it mean that there are 3 mafia PLUS possibly 5 other roles that are not mafia, but win when mafia wins? Please help me understand.
Your first sentence is correct - "it's possible that the 3 mafia can have these roles:
Role blocker, rolecop, godfather, vigilante and goon."
and It's usually going to be two roles and a goon, and one will probably be a roleblocker. But the hosts could have some crazy setup as well, you never know, this is just based on past TL mafia games.
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I want to re-read Sulf and Rels again among others.
On June 14 2015 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
I quite like lynching Scot.
What would your reasons for this be?
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Oh fish ul Votecount
Oatsmaster (0): Kickstart
ruXxar (0): Trfel
Kickstart (0): Sulfurus
Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosy
Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfel
scott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): Rels
geript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337
Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, geript, scott11331373737373771317371373
On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript
On June 14 2015 06:13 Rels wrote:Yo everybody I'm super drunk so I'll post my thoughts and get back to party. From what I read I'm sure bs and sulfu are both town. Geript is not making sense and didn't answer my question. I think he's mafia so my vote is on the right place. Damdred stopped lurking and his posts seems townie to me. From the last post count I m happy to see that my two scumleads are voting for me  and geript seems to be the lynch. Its my last post until tomorrow so take care everyone
Rels -
So Sulfurus made five posts between these two reads - a bad read post on Damdred, and a few posts about lynching Trfel. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=Sulfurus
Sulf went from second on your lynch list to "sure town" - Can you inform me how you came to this reasoning? Do you want to lynch Trfel now as well?
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On June 15 2015 02:33 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 02:26 n00bKing wrote:On June 15 2015 02:05 batsnacks wrote:
n00bking you read a lot of newbie mafia X right? Who would you say your play style this game most closely resembles in that game? That's a very unusual question. I guess I hadn't thought about it. Without going back to look at that thread, I guess I would say my play in this game is a closest match for...Rels, in that game? I remember often thinking that Breschke and Barakos were saying things that made me think they were Town. But they weren't always saying things that I had myself been thinking before they posted it. Rels was. (P.S. I still can't believe you guys lynched Bill Murray over ninjabunnies. I was almost yelling at the screen, toward the end of that Phase. lol) BM was a fine lynch he didn't do anything to prevent it and we had a green check on bunnies. Your posting this game is very similar to boxerfred. He spent tons of effort speculating about roles instead of focusing on finding mafia and we all just gave him a pass because he was new and at least he was posting a lot.
I don't know if he read the mafia QT either, but it was all a ruse to get newbtowncred. This brings up a very good point.
So even in my question to rels (who has not answered yet) Sulfurus still hasn't posted anything. All there is are a couple posts on lynch Trfel (who I townread and is mostly townread at this time) so I'm doubtful this is going to happen. - so make a case or try again.
I'm down for a Sulf or a Rels lynch.
Where I'm at -
BS looks- okay? even if we was incorrect
Damdred is trying to solve the game
WoS and Trfel are up there as well, I like WoS list post.
Oats has a little defensive attitude, but slight town also
Kickstart just feels so much more different then his last game as town which makes me wonder about him
n00bking is a slight town read but a lot of wordy fluff in his posts
Moosy I'm still a toss up on
Ruxxar - His bluehunting was terrible. I want to smack him in the head with a trout. Donkey town?
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On June 15 2015 05:50 ruXxar wrote:
Here's some food for thought.
So far we have scum reads on 2 mafia, Rels and Sulfu.
Both are newbies.
How likely do you think that all 3 mafia are in the newbie group?
Would it not make sense that at least 1 mafia is part of the veteran group?
People who have played previous newbie games, what is usually the distribution of mafia on newbie/veteran side?
In theory it's RNG.
IX was all newbies until Holyflare replaced in.
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What an awesome post, n00b. I haven't felt good about Sulf or Rels, and Rels didn't reply to anything, just went to sleep.
##Vote Rels
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On June 15 2015 11:18 Kickstart wrote:
Of course me coming back after being afk looks bad, good job pointing out the obvious. Would you prefer I stayed afk? I don't need to make excuses cause it comes down to real life stuff which isn't anyone's business. Deal with it or don't. Me apologizing is because I don't think it is fair to everyone that I was afk when I am normally much more active. I should just ignore people commenting on me coming back but it annoyed me.
Coming back to talk about being afk just looks bad instead of having insight. This looks so much more different then my last game with you - your thought process, afk excuses without a reason, etc. That's why I am suspicious of you.
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On June 15 2015 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): KickstartruXxar (0): TrfelKickstart (0): SulfurusSulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosyBatsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfelscott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): RelsGeript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruxxar, Scott Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, Geript, scott11331373737373771317371373Not Voting (0):K so to begin with, Rels and Oats are the first two on. Circumstances: Rels - came up with sorta-novel reasons to vote Geript once I was already off of him. This is probably actually a point in his favour overall as it was probably easier to do so while I was on him (though then again maybe it's just because he wasn't on while all my shit with him was going down? meh. He also asks me why I stopped voting him) The vote itself isn't bad is what I'm saying here. Oats - Just switched on to him with no exposition as I mentioned earlier. When asked his response was: On June 14 2015 10:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHat you want wave?
Geript flipped town. Sucks. Move on.
If you are asking why Geript as opposed to other people, basically what I explained earlier. He didn't post before I slept so yeah, that's where my read was. On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.
Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.
This is believable actually, and he had a good reason to switch I suppose, I just didn't bother to look back initially when accusing him. This also fits with his 'more-likely-townplay' of switching reads around constantly. Now comes the shitstorm. I'm fine with Bat's vote so I'm not going to bother here. Important to note though that he already has 3 people on him when Bats votes so scum can now see this is as a likely mislynch. Trfel - First to jump on the wake of Bat's 'discovery.' Eh. On looking through I thought he was on Rels all day and then dropped his amazing case instantly in favor of even after this post: On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels But he was onto batsnacks as well at one point. It does kinda look as though he almost doesn't believe his own case at times because of his initial dropoff from Rels onto bats, then as bats lost ground back onto rels again and onto Geript. He does put a LOT of effort into his rels push when he is on him though so at the same time it seems doubtful that this is a half-assed push where he was just looking for an out. Not sold either on this one. Also liked his activity around the lynch and his first post after flip. Damdred - This is it. On June 14 2015 05:42 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Bats...I am so proud of you Interested to hear what bats himself thinks here of the people who sheeped him actually. I take it you were too excited it about your lynch at the time to see all of this going down? Moosy - Fine with him. Has a monster filter, constant discussion of the lynch while it was going down. Ruxxar - Ah, I remember pointing this one out before. On June 14 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Wow bats... I'm speechless. I had you and geript as my top two scum. I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard. You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes. I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript. ##Unvote batsnacks
##Vote geript I also remember not liking his post after the flip. Just looks like he's making more excuses and feigning... something.Ugh I know I've been calling him town due to the moosy business but the more I watch those two the more I think SOMETHING has to be going on here. Ruxxar more likely scum than moosy by a huge factor. Scott - Actually just ninjavoted. Didn't even say a thing about Geript. That's interesting. Ballsy for scum but apparently nobody picked up on it so far? Personally thinking Damdred and Ruxxar come out looking the worst on geript train analysis. Both jump on after the train has begun to gather steam and help to push it past the crucial point (Damdred more so than even Ruxxar) But ruxxar's posting around it was pretty terrible while Damdred's is minimal and while not great, I COULD just see it coming from non-self-conscious town.
I'm kind of glad I did, when I came back to the thread the flip was already there. I could've got modkilled for failure to vote with the hour earlier confusion. Batsnacks case made sense at the time and I sheeped it.
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On June 15 2015 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 12:03 scott31337 wrote:On June 15 2015 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): KickstartruXxar (0): TrfelKickstart (0): SulfurusSulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosyBatsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfelscott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): RelsGeript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruxxar, Scott Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, Geript, scott11331373737373771317371373Not Voting (0):K so to begin with, Rels and Oats are the first two on. Circumstances: Rels - came up with sorta-novel reasons to vote Geript once I was already off of him. This is probably actually a point in his favour overall as it was probably easier to do so while I was on him (though then again maybe it's just because he wasn't on while all my shit with him was going down? meh. He also asks me why I stopped voting him) The vote itself isn't bad is what I'm saying here. Oats - Just switched on to him with no exposition as I mentioned earlier. When asked his response was: On June 14 2015 10:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHat you want wave?
Geript flipped town. Sucks. Move on.
If you are asking why Geript as opposed to other people, basically what I explained earlier. He didn't post before I slept so yeah, that's where my read was. On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.
Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.
This is believable actually, and he had a good reason to switch I suppose, I just didn't bother to look back initially when accusing him. This also fits with his 'more-likely-townplay' of switching reads around constantly. Now comes the shitstorm. I'm fine with Bat's vote so I'm not going to bother here. Important to note though that he already has 3 people on him when Bats votes so scum can now see this is as a likely mislynch. Trfel - First to jump on the wake of Bat's 'discovery.' Eh. On looking through I thought he was on Rels all day and then dropped his amazing case instantly in favor of even after this post: On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels But he was onto batsnacks as well at one point. It does kinda look as though he almost doesn't believe his own case at times because of his initial dropoff from Rels onto bats, then as bats lost ground back onto rels again and onto Geript. He does put a LOT of effort into his rels push when he is on him though so at the same time it seems doubtful that this is a half-assed push where he was just looking for an out. Not sold either on this one. Also liked his activity around the lynch and his first post after flip. Damdred - This is it. On June 14 2015 05:42 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Bats...I am so proud of you Interested to hear what bats himself thinks here of the people who sheeped him actually. I take it you were too excited it about your lynch at the time to see all of this going down? Moosy - Fine with him. Has a monster filter, constant discussion of the lynch while it was going down. Ruxxar - Ah, I remember pointing this one out before. On June 14 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Wow bats... I'm speechless. I had you and geript as my top two scum. I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard. You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes. I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript. ##Unvote batsnacks
##Vote geript I also remember not liking his post after the flip. Just looks like he's making more excuses and feigning... something.Ugh I know I've been calling him town due to the moosy business but the more I watch those two the more I think SOMETHING has to be going on here. Ruxxar more likely scum than moosy by a huge factor. Scott - Actually just ninjavoted. Didn't even say a thing about Geript. That's interesting. Ballsy for scum but apparently nobody picked up on it so far? Personally thinking Damdred and Ruxxar come out looking the worst on geript train analysis. Both jump on after the train has begun to gather steam and help to push it past the crucial point (Damdred more so than even Ruxxar) But ruxxar's posting around it was pretty terrible while Damdred's is minimal and while not great, I COULD just see it coming from non-self-conscious town. I'm kind of glad I did, when I came back to the thread the flip was already there. I could've got modkilled for failure to vote with the hour earlier confusion. Batsnacks case made sense at the time and I sheeped it. was there any reason you didnt feel a need to post in the thread around that time? Who are your scumreads now?
I did but indirectly. The flipped already happened - I went to re-evaluate.
Rels / Sulf / KS - I have asked multiple questions to Rels and he could care less answering mine or the others.
Sulf's filter as I've said before has a couple posts and then goes after Trfel
KS would be the least of the three, but his game is so much different then last game and he was town.
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On June 16 2015 00:19 Rels wrote:scott31337I think scott is mafia for these reasons 1. You knew it was coming (= scott's predecessor, plants, had only one post, and that post was super bad. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 14:01 Fake)Plants wrote:Show nested quote +Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie. Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here! On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:OK I finally found a mafia. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 14:01 Fake)Plants wrote:Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie. Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here! First post of his. Next to last to enter the thread. Just fluff on the first paragraph. What is really scum is the second paragraph. Two points: - He enter the thread late and feels he needs to post an excuse. To me, he had the mindset of entering the thread without saying anything, and apologizing so people like him. - His excuse is false. We all had to confirm yesterday, so that's not possible that he did not check TL the last couple of days, or that he believed that someone else took his spot. 2. scott hoped on the "lynch Rels" train too easily for my taste. His only arguments were "Trfel's case is good" and "he didn't answer my question". Furthermore, the Trfel's case he's sheeping is not the initial one but a super bad one. Even noobking said so. See here for more info on case. In spoiler you'll find the evolution of scott's read on me. That's fair - You have looked a bit better in the last few pages - It's appreciated. I was ready to lynch you. I haven't read anything on KS either since this post. The thing I'm not liking is how you try to convince Sulf is town. We will figure this out. His wall of text sounded convincing, and yes, I did see N00b actually wanted Sulf lynched first. Look what happened?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. On June 13 2015 06:56 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway Trfel, what makes bats town?
I had a town lean on batsnacks due to the balance between his jokes and serious reads. Since then, batsnacks has been much more serious, and his jokes are few and far between, so this read isn't valid any more. On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
NAI is a new thing lol.
I kinda like ruxxar.
It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them.
He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO.
(bold added) So if he doesn't do it intentionally, then why is it towny? On June 12 2015 15:03 n00bKing wrote:
It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said.
You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player. This point about ruXxar continuing to press the lying issue is good. I guess I judged ruXxar too early. ##unvoteOn June 12 2015 16:35 Rels wrote:
Hello everybody, GL HF!
I'll read the thread now and comment on things. See you soon. I really don't like this post at all. Posting without having read the thread is useless, the only thing it helps with is making it look like you're doing more work that you actually are, and it detracts from scumhunting. But making a useless post after the investigation has already started is pathetic. On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent. Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this? On June 13 2015 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't decide now if I think geript and bats could be scum together for this horribleness. Association cases = bad but I can't help it and I THINK it's probably not the case. One of them at least for sure though.
I have no idea why someone as experienced as WaveofShadow would share a potential association case while in the same post acknowledging that association cases are bad. Please explain. On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. Why does calling out the player with only one post, who needs to get replaced, make someone town? Especially because, if you are town, he called out the easiest player to pick on who happens to be confirmed town. I really don't like batsnacks' response to the pressure on him. Batsnacks doesn't normally react like this, he's fine under pressure. In my first game playing with him, I tunneled him for basically all of Day 1 and Night 1, and he made a post telling people to stop arguing about useless things and read the case I had posted on him. I need to read some filters, but batsnacks seems very active, concerned about his safety, but not providing actual content. On June 13 2015 06:42 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 03:28 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what geripts alignment is... Clearly that guy is 3P. I don't know what 3P means either. Third party. Let me rephrase this since I see what you are saying but I didn't type that properly. Rels made a case on my replacement slot that he believed in, and caught Plants in a "lie" - I saw him a slight town read for believing in his case. I meant more of (even if he is calling out my replacement slot). On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. What the fuck is that thing. Say how we played differently or don't say anything at all. His next post is how he changed his reads on me. Just sheep the Trfel. Easy no effort would do again. On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:Rels' Read Progression- Suspicious of ruXxar early
- Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
- Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
- Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
- Changes read on ruXxar to town
- Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
- Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
- Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
- List post
- Unvotes batsnacks
- Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
- Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling. I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man! On June 15 2015 03:55 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 02:33 batsnacks wrote:On June 15 2015 02:26 n00bKing wrote:On June 15 2015 02:05 batsnacks wrote:
n00bking you read a lot of newbie mafia X right? Who would you say your play style this game most closely resembles in that game? That's a very unusual question. I guess I hadn't thought about it. Without going back to look at that thread, I guess I would say my play in this game is a closest match for...Rels, in that game? I remember often thinking that Breschke and Barakos were saying things that made me think they were Town. But they weren't always saying things that I had myself been thinking before they posted it. Rels was. (P.S. I still can't believe you guys lynched Bill Murray over ninjabunnies. I was almost yelling at the screen, toward the end of that Phase. lol) BM was a fine lynch he didn't do anything to prevent it and we had a green check on bunnies. Your posting this game is very similar to boxerfred. He spent tons of effort speculating about roles instead of focusing on finding mafia and we all just gave him a pass because he was new and at least he was posting a lot. I don't know if he read the mafia QT either, but it was all a ruse to get newbtowncred. This brings up a very good point. So even in my question to rels (who has not answered yet) Sulfurus still hasn't posted anything. All there is are a couple posts on lynch Trfel (who I townread and is mostly townread at this time) so I'm doubtful this is going to happen. - so make a case or try again. I'm down for a Sulf or a Rels lynch. Where I'm at - BS looks- okay? even if we was incorrect Damdred is trying to solve the game WoS and Trfel are up there as well, I like WoS list post. Oats has a little defensive attitude, but slight town also Kickstart just feels so much more different then his last game as town which makes me wonder about him n00bking is a slight town read but a lot of wordy fluff in his posts Moosy I'm still a toss up on Ruxxar - His bluehunting was terrible. I want to smack him in the head with a trout. Donkey town? On June 15 2015 07:09 scott31337 wrote:
What an awesome post, n00b. I haven't felt good about Sulf or Rels, and Rels didn't reply to anything, just went to sleep.
##Vote Rels On June 15 2015 13:08 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 15 2015 12:03 scott31337 wrote:On June 15 2015 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): KickstartruXxar (0): TrfelKickstart (0): SulfurusSulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosyBatsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfelscott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): RelsGeript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruxxar, Scott Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, Geript, scott11331373737373771317371373Not Voting (0):K so to begin with, Rels and Oats are the first two on. Circumstances: Rels - came up with sorta-novel reasons to vote Geript once I was already off of him. This is probably actually a point in his favour overall as it was probably easier to do so while I was on him (though then again maybe it's just because he wasn't on while all my shit with him was going down? meh. He also asks me why I stopped voting him) The vote itself isn't bad is what I'm saying here. Oats - Just switched on to him with no exposition as I mentioned earlier. When asked his response was: On June 14 2015 10:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHat you want wave?
Geript flipped town. Sucks. Move on.
If you are asking why Geript as opposed to other people, basically what I explained earlier. He didn't post before I slept so yeah, that's where my read was. On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.
Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.
This is believable actually, and he had a good reason to switch I suppose, I just didn't bother to look back initially when accusing him. This also fits with his 'more-likely-townplay' of switching reads around constantly. Now comes the shitstorm. I'm fine with Bat's vote so I'm not going to bother here. Important to note though that he already has 3 people on him when Bats votes so scum can now see this is as a likely mislynch. Trfel - First to jump on the wake of Bat's 'discovery.' Eh. On looking through I thought he was on Rels all day and then dropped his amazing case instantly in favor of even after this post: On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels But he was onto batsnacks as well at one point. It does kinda look as though he almost doesn't believe his own case at times because of his initial dropoff from Rels onto bats, then as bats lost ground back onto rels again and onto Geript. He does put a LOT of effort into his rels push when he is on him though so at the same time it seems doubtful that this is a half-assed push where he was just looking for an out. Not sold either on this one. Also liked his activity around the lynch and his first post after flip. Damdred - This is it. On June 14 2015 05:42 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Bats...I am so proud of you Interested to hear what bats himself thinks here of the people who sheeped him actually. I take it you were too excited it about your lynch at the time to see all of this going down? Moosy - Fine with him. Has a monster filter, constant discussion of the lynch while it was going down. Ruxxar - Ah, I remember pointing this one out before. On June 14 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Wow bats... I'm speechless. I had you and geript as my top two scum. I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard. You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes. I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript. ##Unvote batsnacks
##Vote geript I also remember not liking his post after the flip. Just looks like he's making more excuses and feigning... something.Ugh I know I've been calling him town due to the moosy business but the more I watch those two the more I think SOMETHING has to be going on here. Ruxxar more likely scum than moosy by a huge factor. Scott - Actually just ninjavoted. Didn't even say a thing about Geript. That's interesting. Ballsy for scum but apparently nobody picked up on it so far? Personally thinking Damdred and Ruxxar come out looking the worst on geript train analysis. Both jump on after the train has begun to gather steam and help to push it past the crucial point (Damdred more so than even Ruxxar) But ruxxar's posting around it was pretty terrible while Damdred's is minimal and while not great, I COULD just see it coming from non-self-conscious town. I'm kind of glad I did, when I came back to the thread the flip was already there. I could've got modkilled for failure to vote with the hour earlier confusion. Batsnacks case made sense at the time and I sheeped it. was there any reason you didnt feel a need to post in the thread around that time? Who are your scumreads now? I did but indirectly. The flipped already happened - I went to re-evaluate. Rels / Sulf / KS - I have asked multiple questions to Rels and he could care less answering mine or the others. Sulf's filter as I've said before has a couple posts and then goes after Trfel KS would be the least of the three, but his game is so much different then last game and he was town. 3. Small filter, that can be explained by the fact that he replaced in. But in his small filters, there is a lot of fluff. I'll work on this, no worries.+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 06:22 scott31337 wrote:
I'm around if you have any questions. On June 13 2015 08:04 scott31337 wrote:
Rels I think you're required to revote after a replacement. On June 14 2015 05:39 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 05:18 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 04:56 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 04:40 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 04:13 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 03:50 n00bKing wrote:
Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position?
Knowing that there is only 1 kp, then i believe there is a case both for and against the PGO to reveal himself. Here are my scenarios for and against : For: The PGO is a weak town player that might get cop checked. The PGO is one of the strongest town players and likely to be targeted by the medic. Against: A semi strong town player is the PGO, but he's not the strongest. Medic will most likely protect the perceived strongest town player. The mafia knowing this will go for some of the second strongest targets they know probably won't be saved by the medic. In this case it's beneficial for the PGO to not reveal himself. That's pretty interesting, considering you had just said this: ruXxar wrote: After reducing kill power to 1 I would agree that Carl revealing himself is a good play. In my first post I was just taking into consideration that mafia with 1 kp perform 1 target action per night and that town has 2 with cop and medic. It wasn't until my last post that i thought about it more deeply and tried to figure out the real scenarios. I'm also not used to mafia with more roles than mafia, cop, medic, vigilante and town. A lot of my thinking right now is automatically based around just having those roles in the game, since that's what i've had the most exposure to. I'm trying to rectify this. You're moving in the opposite direction of what would make sense, though. You assumed the Town had only Cop and Doctor. And said that once the Mafia was down to 1kp, it makes sense for Carl to claim. Now, nevermind the fact that a discussion OF the Carl role ALREADY destroys your notion that the Town only has Cop and Doctor as its non-vanilla roles. When you add in Dr. Weird and Frylock as additional Town roles that could be killed by Carl (both of which would kill Carl at the same time!) it becomes way MORE obvious that Carl needs to claim. Instead, when you thought about it more, you start to see a case for and against him claiming? That doesn't make any sense. Please make sense. My scenarios make sense in the isolated scope i presented. I'm trying to make sense of the role listed posted on the first page but it's confusing me. scum team - "Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday"
context: + Show Spoiler +
Roleblocker - Cybernectic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future:
Every night, you may choose a player to roleblock, which will prevent them from performing actions and visits that night. The roleblocked player will be notified, even if s/he is vanilla. + Show Spoiler +
Rolecop -Happy Time Harry:
Every night you may choose a player to role check. You will get a result saying what role they have.+ Show Spoiler +
Godfather - Ignignokt the mooninite:
You return "town" to cop checks, as though you were a vanilla townie. + Show Spoiler +
Vigilante - rabbot:
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. + Show Spoiler +
Goon - plutionian (Emory and Ogelthorpe) + Show Spoiler +
Town
Mad Hatter - Dr. Weird:
You have 1 bomb. At night you can place that bomb on another player, or move the bomb. When you die, the bomb blows up killing them. If your target is lynched, your bomb is lost. If your target is shot, the bomb is returned to you. You win with the town.+ Show Spoiler +
Cop - Allen (Alien):
Each night phase, you may choose a player to investigate. You will visit the player and receive "Town" or "Anti-town" as a result. Your results are guaranteed to be accurate. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
Veteran - Master Shake:
You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
Vigilante - frylock:
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. You win with the town.
+ Show Spoiler +
Paranoid Gun Owner - Carl:
The Paranoid Gun Owner passively (and involuntarily) kills anyone who targets it during the Night. You win with town.+ Show Spoiler +
Doctor - Neil:
Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to protect. You will visit the player, and if the mafia attempt to kill a player you are protecting on the same night, the kill will fail. Neither you nor the target will be notified if you prevent a kill. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
VT - Meatwad piece + Show Spoiler +
According to this, it's possible that the 3 mafia can have these roles: Role blocker, rolecop, godfather, vigilante and goon. Or does it mean that there are 3 mafia PLUS possibly 5 other roles that are not mafia, but win when mafia wins? Please help me understand. Your first sentence is correct - "it's possible that the 3 mafia can have these roles: Role blocker, rolecop, godfather, vigilante and goon." and It's usually going to be two roles and a goon, and one will probably be a roleblocker. But the hosts could have some crazy setup as well, you never know, this is just based on past TL mafia games. On June 15 2015 06:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 05:50 ruXxar wrote:
Here's some food for thought.
So far we have scum reads on 2 mafia, Rels and Sulfu.
Both are newbies.
How likely do you think that all 3 mafia are in the newbie group?
Would it not make sense that at least 1 mafia is part of the veteran group?
People who have played previous newbie games, what is usually the distribution of mafia on newbie/veteran side? In theory it's RNG. IX was all newbies until Holyflare replaced in. 4. Even more troubling than small filters with fluff posts, scott has a lot of his posts asking question. And he never did anything with the answer he got. Seriously, if scott asked you a question, look if he did anything with his answer. I didn't have anything to reply, they answered their questions to my satisfaction, when they did. Is your question I asked you in here? Nope.
Did Oats ever respond to my question? Nope - but I'm fine with that, I think he was just trying for a reaction. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 02:13 scott31337 wrote:
You have three votes Bats, how do you feel about those people? (N00b, ruxxar, Oats) On June 13 2015 07:22 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:19 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:Rels1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler +1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia. And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler +Fake)Plants only had one post.
Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post. Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. Oh hey good timing. I really disagree on the easy target. I have no idea who is mafia between geript bat and moosy, if any. On the other hand the entrance post of plants was and still is super bad. And I don't care for IRL wifom, a lie is a lie. So it sounds like you have been thru the thread. Any other thoughts? On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct? Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no? Who would you like to lynch besides Bats? On June 13 2015 14:45 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 14:12 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct? Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no? Who would you like to lynch besides Bats? What about batsnacks' posting is towny? Self-meta? A lot of his posting recently- for an example Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:37 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:34 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 07:26 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:23 n00bKing wrote:
I'm confused about why you expect people to think you're Town? Can you help with that?
Well you haven't given me anything that I haven't responded to and you haven't brought anything new to the ongoing case on me in a long time so... I'm just assuming that you stopped scum reading me and forgot to switch your vote. Or you haven't decided who to switch to yet. Okay. Well nope, I continue to agree with you that you're a reasonably good lynch target for Day 1. Also, you're aware that the player you're voting against now was not anywhere on your "would lynch" list, an hour ago? Trfel really turned your whole world upside down that quickly? Yes he did Trfel makes awesome cases. Also I made that list before I started reading filters. If you follow the thread you can verify that. Do you think this is just a pocket or he is mafia? On June 14 2015 09:49 scott31337 wrote:I want to re-read Sulf and Rels again among others. What would your reasons for this be? 5. That list post without any explanation. After I asked, he gave some one liners to explain each scum leans he has. His scum lean on ruxxar is not explained, given that he stated that he has a town lean on him before. I wanted to let the town know how I was feeling at that time - so this makes me scummy? I don't see where you are going from this. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar On June 13 2015 08:58 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:40 Rels wrote:Alright scott I don't see your posts as scummy. Could you comment on this list post of yours: On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar Could you please add justifications for the "could lynch" nominees ? Batsnacks - Been on the wagon most of the day and play is different then his normal town. His last few posts have been slightly better though so that's why I haven't voted him yet. Geript - Hasn't taken much of a stance - his list post wasn't that great - He's a good mafia player but really has a IDGAF mode this game so far. MoosyDoosy - pretty down the line middle - the "Sulfurus is the easiest to make a case" post, "wishy-washy" Sulfurus - has like four posts - unsure if he's legit AFK/IRL or just shitting the bed - and none of them were that great, and quick start vote. Probably leaning the most ATM RuXxar-3/4's of his thread is about liars and and the rest is pretty blah - Hopefully he'll show up tonight. Before this list post, here is the only time he gives his opinion on ruxxar: On June 13 2015 02:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.
Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.
The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence. Wow moosy. I have to give you 5 stars for this read. It's like you're inside my head or something. I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on. You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube. I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do. From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent. They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto, often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person. I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon). Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town. This is Rexxar's best post. The goosebumps part sounds so legitimate and would be extremely creative to fake from the posts he made earlier. Slight town read 6. This post. This is such a bad post. Either you say what's different or you don't say anything at all. I wanted to make it a point, but because your name is included and probably the reason you commented on it - I'll elaborate. KS had a lot of critical analysis, was being mostly scumread and I read him as town because I saw it in him. It feels the opposite this game. It's ongoing so I won't get any more into it at this time.
Although I got lynched - you were a lot different in that game on your D1. You are starting to show parts of that game now, unlike KS.+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. 7. Voted geript 40 minutes before the deadline, without ever referencing him before. In his lynch list, Sulfu was the scummier. Two hours before EOD, he said he would lynch me over Sulfu. I don't even know when the fucking deadline was, including the rest. There's a post on this already - I'd probably be modkilled if I didn't vote. Batsnacks's case look like he believed in it, BS looked townie, I believed in it and sheeped it. Oats thinks to do this would be ballsy as mafia - and I would agree - you think it's reason in a case. hmmm.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:Rels' Read Progression- Suspicious of ruXxar early
- Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
- Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
- Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
- Changes read on ruXxar to town
- Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
- Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
- Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
- List post
- Unvotes batsnacks
- Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
- Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling. I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man! Here is his explanation for that: On June 15 2015 12:03 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): KickstartruXxar (0): TrfelKickstart (0): SulfurusSulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosyBatsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfelscott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): RelsGeript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruxxar, Scott Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, Geript, scott11331373737373771317371373Not Voting (0):K so to begin with, Rels and Oats are the first two on. Circumstances: Rels - came up with sorta-novel reasons to vote Geript once I was already off of him. This is probably actually a point in his favour overall as it was probably easier to do so while I was on him (though then again maybe it's just because he wasn't on while all my shit with him was going down? meh. He also asks me why I stopped voting him) The vote itself isn't bad is what I'm saying here. Oats - Just switched on to him with no exposition as I mentioned earlier. When asked his response was: On June 14 2015 10:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHat you want wave?
Geript flipped town. Sucks. Move on.
If you are asking why Geript as opposed to other people, basically what I explained earlier. He didn't post before I slept so yeah, that's where my read was. On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.
Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.
This is believable actually, and he had a good reason to switch I suppose, I just didn't bother to look back initially when accusing him. This also fits with his 'more-likely-townplay' of switching reads around constantly. Now comes the shitstorm. I'm fine with Bat's vote so I'm not going to bother here. Important to note though that he already has 3 people on him when Bats votes so scum can now see this is as a likely mislynch. Trfel - First to jump on the wake of Bat's 'discovery.' Eh. On looking through I thought he was on Rels all day and then dropped his amazing case instantly in favor of even after this post: On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels But he was onto batsnacks as well at one point. It does kinda look as though he almost doesn't believe his own case at times because of his initial dropoff from Rels onto bats, then as bats lost ground back onto rels again and onto Geript. He does put a LOT of effort into his rels push when he is on him though so at the same time it seems doubtful that this is a half-assed push where he was just looking for an out. Not sold either on this one. Also liked his activity around the lynch and his first post after flip. Damdred - This is it. On June 14 2015 05:42 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Bats...I am so proud of you Interested to hear what bats himself thinks here of the people who sheeped him actually. I take it you were too excited it about your lynch at the time to see all of this going down? Moosy - Fine with him. Has a monster filter, constant discussion of the lynch while it was going down. Ruxxar - Ah, I remember pointing this one out before. On June 14 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Wow bats... I'm speechless. I had you and geript as my top two scum. I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard. You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes. I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript. ##Unvote batsnacks
##Vote geript I also remember not liking his post after the flip. Just looks like he's making more excuses and feigning... something.Ugh I know I've been calling him town due to the moosy business but the more I watch those two the more I think SOMETHING has to be going on here. Ruxxar more likely scum than moosy by a huge factor. Scott - Actually just ninjavoted. Didn't even say a thing about Geript. That's interesting. Ballsy for scum but apparently nobody picked up on it so far? Personally thinking Damdred and Ruxxar come out looking the worst on geript train analysis. Both jump on after the train has begun to gather steam and help to push it past the crucial point (Damdred more so than even Ruxxar) But ruxxar's posting around it was pretty terrible while Damdred's is minimal and while not great, I COULD just see it coming from non-self-conscious town. I'm kind of glad I did, when I came back to the thread the flip was already there. I could've got modkilled for failure to vote with the hour earlier confusion. Batsnacks case made sense at the time and I sheeped it. 8. This post were I put the theory of moosy and scott being mafia for acclaiming noobking's super play, but not following his last will. This is kinda weak on its own, but in addition to the other points that theory makes sense. Conclusion: Mafia
So I put the replies in bold above, just so they aren't missed, people have been before. You have put a lot of effort in to your thoughts - espically how you have the same thoughts on Kickstart. Let me finish reading the thread.
##Unvote
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I'm tired of Kickstart's excuses, I've been saying he's just playing so much more differently. I mean he could at least do a BH and make up some BS or real excuses for being AFK/busy, but he's not even trying.
Rels did so much effort when he was on the chopping block I am impressed.
KS/Sulf/Rexxar would be where I'm at right now.
I'll be back in a couple hours.
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On June 16 2015 13:06 Kickstart wrote:
I said sorry once. Again you are just making stuff up in that regard. Only in your mind was last game an ok lynch and was I playing weird at all, your only qualm was my posts were too long.... But I don't want to argue with you about a prior game or about anything for that matter. For someone who likes to talk about what others do, you sure sit back and do nothing early on and get yourself into the the most ridiculous tunnels :rollseyes:.
Not discussing this nonsense further it is a waste of time.
Then let us discuss Sulfurus - what do you not like about him? He just voted for Oats I see.
On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:K I just realized that Oats is scummy. I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts) Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town. ##Vote: Oatsmaster
And this is his only post recently. This is a pretty shit case - he could almost make one of these on myself - Rels on myself was better, I answered his questions beyond the one about my replacement since I didn't know his point of view - and was okay with it but suspicious of me.
Trfel -
On June 16 2015 09:42 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:39 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel what was the timeframe for this? Was this d1 before you voted me? d1 after you voted me? d1 after you unvoted me? It would help a lot if you could quote the actual posts. It was while I was voting for you, and while scott31337 was not. I guess you're right, it's not really important. Kickstart is probably a better lynch. I just got really mad at the thought of getting pocketed like that. Would still like to see a response from scott31337, though, as he certainly isn't cleared. I need to go, I'll look through ruXxar's filter tonight.
Yes, you nailed it on the head why I added the URL code - I wanted you to get the message about the Battraps(tm) without him seeing it since it would be doubtful it's a message he quotes. Batsnacks gave you a good response to it, which I like - he admits it's a pretty accurate meta.
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On June 16 2015 16:50 Trfel wrote:Kickstart from Start of Day 21. Excuses instead of scumhunting + Show Spoiler +I've said this before. I can't emphasize how important this is. He's been lurking and posting "I'm not scum, I'm a mislynch" instead of explaining why he isn't scum or doing actual scumhunting. This isn't a townie mindset at all. 2. Inconsistency with regards to cop check on himself + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 09:18 Kickstart wrote:
Cop check on me is only useful in confirming im town. I am not mafia nor is anyone really suspicious of me of being mafia from what I can tell, aside from being somewhat concerned over my afkness, cop should check someone that they think will turn up red. You are awfully concerned with what blue roles we have and what they do and you are quite wrong in what actions they should be taking. Let the blue roles play their roles and stop trying to direct them into bad plays or outing themselves. On June 16 2015 08:07 Kickstart wrote:
Ill be a misslynch guys, if you are that concerned wait for a cop check or something. Should just lynch sulfurus like you were supposed to day 1.
##Unvote
##Vote Sulfuras Hm, what caused the change? He says that a cop check on himself is bad because he is town, but then says that he shouldn't be lynched until he gets cop checked. I don't think I should need to say why this is incorrect, but here goes anyway: 1. If he is in fact town, the cop check comes back green, and it's generally not good for the cop to claim a green check 2. There might not even be a cop 3. Imagine if everyone was given the right to wait for a cop check instead of getting lynched This isn't townie at all, he's making reasons to not lynch him that he knows are bad and that he already directly contradicted. 3. Read progression + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.
This is Kickstart's first post back. And he didn't give a single reason for these reads. On June 15 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
meant to go ahead and vote.
##Vote Rels Adds a vote on Rels. On June 16 2015 08:07 Kickstart wrote:
Ill be a misslynch guys, if you are that concerned wait for a cop check or something. Should just lynch sulfurus like you were supposed to day 1.
##Unvote
##Vote Sulfuras And then he switched his vote to Sulfurus, with no reason at all? What happened to Rels? His wagon lost momentum. But Kickstart doesn't say why he doesn't want to lynch Rels any more, he doesn't say why Sulfurus is scummy until much later. He's not interested in actually pushing Sulfurus, but complaining about getting lynched for false reasons and inactivity. I don't see him being interested in catching scum. His read on ruXxar doesn't make any sense. It's in these two posts. On June 16 2015 11:08 Kickstart wrote:
The people who are extremely interested in starting this wagon on me are damdred and ruxxar it seems. Damdred I don't know how to read because he did this same retarded shit last game and was town so I don't know. Ruxxar has been scummy all game. Going through Ruxxars filter he is literally all over the place. From weird asoociated cases that make no sense, to saying sulfuras is scum to then saying if sulfuras flips red town can go ahead and lynch him next (first he is sure sulf is scum then few posts later he is sure he is town). It doesn't make any sense. Parts of his filter seem reasonable but then others he is just way out there. Checked to see if there were any shenanis from him around the grept lynch but his vote is just as weird as anyone elses. He did a complete 180 on his bats read though but not sure that indicates much. On June 16 2015 11:11 Kickstart wrote:
ebwop: should clarify that while ruxxar being all over the place is concerning, I think it could also be typical of a new town player trying to figure things out. So while some of his actions are suspect, I think sulfurus has been more scummy in that I dont get that same feeling from his posting. "So, ruXxar is scummy for all of these reasons. Oh wait, but this could also be a new town player. Sulfurus is scum though because I don't feel he's a new town player trying to figure things out." ..... That said, his read on Oatsmaster isn't inherently bad, though I disagree with it.
And he could be the GF and trying to ride a green check if he does get checked and be NB "See I'm green u guys are scrub!11!"
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On June 16 2015 07:25 Rels wrote:
Oatsmaster
OK I'm super tired so this one is going to be shit.
I think he's town cause I like how he questions every post he sees that is weird in his mind. And I have the feeling reading his filters that I saw his train of thought in front of me. That's it.
Conclusion: Town lean
Oats has a couple interesting points about him -
On June 13 2015 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 23:47 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2015 23:42 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2015 23:10 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thats like the worst argument in existence.
No it's not. Go piss somewhere else for a while. i mean, it probably means you arent mafia because mafia know that activity isnt a good argument. So you got that going for you Activity is a very strong argument for d1 especially for me. I would say that you should know this, but I expect less from you and will have to adjust my meta of you to expect even less after this game. Ok? You think I care. Its funny. No I know you don't care, which is part why the adjustment is necessary. This is your new meta: Oats pushes the first thing he sees and doesn't stop until not doing so would endanger his chances of survival. Oats is not logical and does not re-evaluate his reads. Yes very good, thats my meta.
He agrees with Bats or just messing with him?
On June 14 2015 15:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Damdred didn't call me town, he's scum.
Also that completely pointless list post that has more townreads than scum reads.
Sulph / damdred mafia.
Scott also maybe.
He wants to lynch me but has not given a reason - he also went after n00b at the beginning for quite a bit as well.
It's a lot of one liners in his filter not trying to draw too much suspicion. He also wants to go after Damdred as well - and he's lower then Damdred at this moment. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=Oatsmaster&view=all
Rels can you elaborate on your post that is like the others now that you are not tired?
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On June 17 2015 01:47 Kickstart wrote:
Case on me is awful and those pushing it look bad for it. Your case is that I was gone so I can back and went with thread sentiment because no one was on the lynches I thought were scum and that makes me scum? And then when that guy came in and posted a lot I took my vote off of him (like most others) and put it onto scum, which happens to be who I pegged as scum from early on? Yeah, nice case, not.
I proposed cop check if you were actually worried about me, but still your only points are that I was afk and then came back to the thread, which is fucking awful as it is in no way alignment indicative. I read through Rels 'case' on me as he asked where he says I promised something, I don't see it. Only thing I see is that I said I would look at sulfurus filter, and I did, and he is scummy.
Don't think this wagon warrants much of a defense as it is literally 'Kickstart was afk, came back and went with thread sentiment because he wasn't up to date'. Which is dumb. I have pushed who I thought were scummy, better yet my suspicions and scum reads have remained relatively similar now with perhaps Oats on my list too. This poor attempt at a wagon on me and Trfel and Rels has me concerned but I'll see what else they do as I don't want to omgus people to death.
Maybe you missed the point on Trfel's case - it's how your wording about the cop check was so much more differently then it was the previous time. You don't seem to explain that here.
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On June 17 2015 04:14 batsnacks wrote:
Scott is mafia, ruxxar is mafia, kickstart is probably mafia. If it's not kickstart maybe sulfur or someone who's having a really easy time with how scummy several townies are being.
So would you elaborate on why I am mafia?
Was it the interaction between me and Trfel?
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Kickstart has been playing super weird for most of the whole game. I haven't even voted yet to see what he does to change my opinion on him.
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Oatsmaster could be mafia
Says he's VT in the first post (which is bad anyway, narrows down the blues) and then defends himself about his VT claim saying "Have you seen it done before?" (BTW, Onegu has done it before in XXX I believe)
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 10:26 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
Hi friends.
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
aaaaaaaaaaaaand I don't like Oats for now! (kidding, mostly)
##Vote: Oatsmaster
why would you do this. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide: - don't claim your role
- find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
- say why this 1 person is mafia
- do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.
1. Im vt. 2. Bats is mafia. 3. Chezinu rule. ##vote Bats On June 13 2015 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 21:55 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
But you dont want to convince me or Trfel?
Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia.
So that does not include fluff and defensive posts.
I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening. Im sure you read the most recent Ver game where he caught at least one mafia because of a bad opening post. Tell me, why did you vote for the vt claim? You think that mafia somehow claims vt in one of the first few posts? Have you see that happen before?
Switches his read on Bats fairly easily, doesn't mention the reason for switching to geript - bails
+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 01:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im going to sleep.
Lynch geript.
Wants to go after Moosy now, even though he only mentions a joke post about him and nothing else
+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let's get moosy tmr On June 13 2015 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 01:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
##unvote
##vote moosygoosy So you're voting along with scum? Interesting. I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post. So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt? Dont like that at all. Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread. Geript too btw. I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop. I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against. But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose. And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster. Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself. You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you). LOL So you're not even assuming the same thing Geript apparently did? Geript at least seemed to assume Moosy was town shitposting at first which would make scum jump on for an easy mislynch, but you think he's scum and ALSO think scum would bus him right off the bat? That's fucking horrible. Dude, wtf would the Mafias do that for. Shouldn't they try and help each other? LOL this post. Oh man. I would feel so silly if moose is mafia.
Throws out lynching me with no explanation - I and others ask about it but never replies - what happened to Moosy?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
I quite like lynching Scot.
Meta reason for calling Damdred scum - still doesn't explain the reasoning on me
+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 15:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Damdred didn't call me town, he's scum.
Also that completely pointless list post that has more townreads than scum reads.
Sulph / damdred mafia.
Scott also maybe.
Goes back to Damdred without reason except for the above?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it.
What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good.
or damdred.
Conclusions -
Oats asks a lot of questions without followup
Follows the bandwagon of the thread until KS wants to be lynched
Shit reasons for wanting to lynch me and Damdred
Unsure what direction he wants to go if he's town
Oats could be mafia.
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That's a case Sulfurus, stop getting what I posted earlier confused.
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Yeah Im here had to finish the other game - I fought well
let me read and catch up and my vote
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Grrr I haven't like KS all game - his wall of text isn't that great but it's something....I like who's on Sulfurs better, but the last three times I've used that suggestion, Its because the mafia were on the other side and enough townies on the ML anyway
I'm going with KS.
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If Sulf is mafia then I'll look like shit
Trfel is my believer and WoS is my believer they want Sulf dead
Sulf isn't doing shit
Let's go Sulf then fuhq it
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On June 17 2015 06:45 Sulfurus wrote:
##Vote: Kickstarter
Fuck that Ninja
Sulfurus it is
I'm not switching again
Battraps(tm)
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On June 17 2015 06:49 batsnacks wrote:
I really, really want to vote scott.
You still haven't given me reasons why.
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The other games over I'll have a lot more time for this now.
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inb4 Scott bussed Sulfurus
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On June 17 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
##Vote scott31337
The dumbtells are real with this one.
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I'm going to re-read some more filters but did some filter find scans of each interaction and I'm thinking Sulfurus/Ruxxar/Oats at the moment.
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What do you think about Oatsmaster?
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From what I found on my filter hunts - a scumtell is that they do not interact with their fellow mafia, since they have their QT and do not want to put more suspicion on each other/etc.
Rexxar's interaction with Oats - 30 finds - one post
+ Show Spoiler +On June 16 2015 08:45 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it.
What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good.
or damdred.
What don't you like about it?
Has zero interaction with Oats - suspicious
There's a whole buttload of Rexxar's attempted interactions with Sulf - over 157
+ Show Spoiler [His post that Sulf is town] +On June 16 2015 00:46 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 23:21 ruXxar wrote:
Im changing my My read on sulfur to town.
I'll explain further when I get home. Oats's post on Ruxxar - 10 finds, two posts Likes Ruxx early + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
NAI is a new thing lol.
I kinda like ruxxar.
It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them.
He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO.
Here's my reasoning on sulfur: 1. Sulfur under pressure of getting lynched tries to accuse townread trfel of being mafia, and hard defends Rels. This play is so bad that I don't even think a bad mafia would make this play, but still it's possible. 2. After n00bking's epitaph where he recommended to lynch sulfur as #1, moosy went of the offensive. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. Moosy and kick then both HARD agree that I have to bus rels and sulfur as the only chance to clear my name. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum? Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:47 Kickstart wrote:On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum? Bussing is a known thing friend. That is why you are last in the line. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:42 ruXxar wrote:
Gaaah, my head hurts real bad right now.
I can't understand sulfurs logic at all.
Why would he defend rels so hard yet make such a terrible play to not become a lynch target.
It makes no sense to me.
His actions are so inconsistent.
On one hand he hard defends rel for god knows what reason,
Then he makes a terrible play that I don't think a mafia would do.
I want some second opinions in this. Sulfurus is just plain scum lol. He's trying to play like he usually does but the role of a Mafia teammate is interfering with his play. On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum? You have no choice but to agree looking at how everyone is voting against them and there's too much evidence against them. 3. I then push really hard on sulfur to get his thoughts on Rels. He STILL didn't want to change his view on Rels and vote for him. If he was mafia scum, and the #1 suspect by n00bking. Would he not also vote for rels to try to clear his name? Any sane mafia person would.4. If I were mafia together with with sulfur, and our only chance of winning was to bus Rels as the first lynch target, would I not instruct my mafia teammate to also vote on Rels? I can only conclude that Sulfurus is Town
+ Show Spoiler [Rexx's defense with Moosy about…] +On June 16 2015 05:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 02:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:First of all, I don't know if you're trying to accuse me of Mafia or trying to clear Sulfurus. It seems like you're doing both which doesn't matter in any case because I disagree with both. 1. Sulfurus is trying to bring Trfel under the light which is a huge mistake. It makes no sense in any way whatsoever. It's either a very bad play or a weak attempt as Mafia to avoid being lynched. There is actually no way to excuse this attempt. No mafia in my mind can be that stupid.
If it's a mafia playing to win he made 2 huge mistakes.
-He selected a terrible target as lynch target.
-He tied himself very closely to Rels, which people already suspected was mafia.
Sulfurus was already about to be voted out.
Then trelf accused rels and some people switched over.
If he was a mafia playing to win and he got lynched with the 5 votes he had at that point, then the immediate next target would've been rels.
If it wasn't for bats tell on geript, then town would've lynched sulfurus and then automatically we would've lynched rels next.
Why would he tie himself to Rels and not just let himself die in silence.
That is such a terrible play that I think no mafia would ever do.2. The reason I went on the offensive was to clarify n00bKing's suspicions that you might have been Mafia which you inadequately defended yourself on btw. - I first asked you whether you thought Rels and Sulfurus were scum. You said they were.I thought there was an association between Rels and sulfurus, moreso from Rels side than from Sulfurus side.
I already expressed why I evaluated that way here:
Post 1
Post 2
Which both batsnacks and you later sheeped in your arguments.
Bat
Moosy
Later I expressed my confusion about Sulfurus move, which I actually thought about before n00bking mentioned it, but I didn't tell anyone here about it.
Link
- I then pointed out that this might be a case of busing. You pretended or really didn't know what we were talking about.What I said is that your busing argument made no logical sense at all, considering that according to n00bking me rels and sulfur were already the top 3 suspects.
And you even said that I was the top lynch target.On June 15 2015 08:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:Busing means that you're sacrificing your Mafia teammate to buy more time for yourself to convince others that you're not Mafia. A good way to do this would be to play dumb or find someone else to lynch.  ruXxar, feel glad. Although n00bKing is probably rolling in his grave right now, the reason I wanted the order of lynching to be Rels, Sulfurus, and then you is because I still think that you could be a townie.If we had it completely n00bKing's way, you would be the first lynch. Which you only corrected after I pointed it out, which means you actually used that as your logic when you made that statement.On June 15 2015 08:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 08:13 ruXxar wrote:
I'm not buying that crap.
Nowhere does n00b say in his last post that he wants to lynch me first.
Please try again. First lynch after Sulfurus.* - I then pointed out that there's no reason for you to listen to Sulfurus's argument as you just said he was scum. For some reason, you kept on associating yourself with someone you said was scum and tried to listen to the basis of an argument that was unsound from the start. At this point you decided to leave and never replied.Why would you NOT want to hear people defend themselves? This is totally backwards logic and no town would say such a thing.
I also said I was going to sleep. How is that deciding to leave and never reply?
It was 3 am when i made that statement and I had to get up at 7.
On June 15 2015 10:19 ruXxar wrote:
I'm going to bed now and then to work in the morning.
I'll catch up with you all after that.
I hope that sulfur has answered my question by then or im going to be really disappointed.
- I won't even mention the fact that you're always following one wagon or another as I'm sure people will be able to look through your filter and see how you were always agreeing with almost every case out there.I was one of the first people to suspect bats, and I stuck to bats even after a lot of people changed votes.
I would've voted for bats 100% if he didn't pull his "patented bat trap™"
3. Both Sulfurus and Rels were under fire. If they immediately began attempting to bus each other, it would most certainly be an assertion that they were Mafia. The only thing that they can do at this point is try and defend each other the best that they can. This point is weak. Adressed this above4. No because both Sulfurus and Rels were primary suspects and are after n00bKing's post. The only reason why you would be able to get away with busing is because mostly everyone thought that you were town and it would be simplest for you to disassociate yourself from them. Which, I'd like to point out, you do by jumping on the n00bKing wagon immediately. Even now you're only revoking your argument because Rels is here and making a case for Sulfurus. I cast doubt on the votes on sulfurus as far back as Page 35 when noone else was.
On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:
I'm trying to figure out why people are scumreading sulfurus.
I read through his filter and I found nothing to make me read him as either alignment.
I don't see why you're so scared to make a stand for yourself and persist in wagoning off of other people's arguments.I've made my stand, you're next
Rex wants to be lynched if Sulf flips red, can we do this?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote:
If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.
I'm that confident in my read.
There's too many instances of his name, and he asks him a lot of questions... A little inconclusive here actually.
Sulfurus interacting with Oatsmater - 14 finds, 3 posts
Responds to Oats his townread of Ruxx/n00b
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 11:25 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) Are noobking and ruxx town then? I townread n00b because I liked his post on ruxx. I townread ruxx at the time but I want to take the time to digest Kick's latest post before giving another read on him. On June 13 2015 12:17 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.
Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.
If you don't think I scumread Bats I really do I was just hesitant before because I misread him last game but now I'm sure. Also now that your back what do you think of n00bs? I know that your were angry at him because he kept giving advice even though he is new but I think he has said a lot of good stuff since then.
And then he votes for Oatsmaster
+ Show Spoiler +On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:K I just realized that Oats is scummy. I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts) Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town. ##Vote: Oatsmaster On June 17 2015 06:52 Sulfurus wrote:
K before I die:
4 lynches
Oatsmaster
Kickstarter
Batsnacks
MoosyDoosy
If I don't get lynched: Scott31337
Top town
Rels
His last past could be all WIFOM, he was already toast by then - but his earlier one seems weird. Suspicious
Sulfurus interaction with Ruxxar - once, and very weird
So he says Ruxxar says Oats is mafia, but I just read his filter and it's not there.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 03:57 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 19:25 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:K I just realized that Oats is scummy. I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts) Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town. ##Vote: Oatsmaster What do you think about kickstart ? Sorry if I didn't make myself clear but this is the exact problem I was trying to fix. You see Oats is mafia but not the one you have been looking for because you guys have been too tunnel visioned on Kicks. Anyway I still think Kicks is mafia and will switch my vote to him to save a town but if there is a mafia we will lose to it will probably be Oats
Conc: Extremely suspicious
Oat's interactions with Ruxx - 10 finds, no interaction -
Goes from liking Ruxx to wanting to lynch him with no real conclusion -
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 21:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +Where is ruxxar? I'm about to hurt some feelings. Dude hasn't re-evaluated his read on me since the beginning of the day. Same with n00b. If either of you are town you are hurting your chances of winning by being so stubborn. On June 16 2015 10:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kickstart is pretty damn obviously town and him not doing anything doesn't really diminish his start. Like this is a super easy lynch for scum to push because Kickstart 's attitude sucks and a pretty predictable response will come.
Let's lynch ruxxar instead.
Conc: No interaction - Suspicious
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Who's the other two on your scum team Oats?
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Oats -
So I made this partially as a joke to Sulfurus since he called what I said earlier a case, but would you mind replying? I did take some time in it.
On June 17 2015 05:18 scott31337 wrote:Oatsmaster could be mafia Says he's VT in the first post (which is bad anyway, narrows down the blues) and then defends himself about his VT claim saying "Have you seen it done before?" (BTW, Onegu has done it before in XXX I believe) + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 10:26 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
Hi friends.
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
aaaaaaaaaaaaand I don't like Oats for now! (kidding, mostly)
##Vote: Oatsmaster
why would you do this. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide: - don't claim your role
- find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
- say why this 1 person is mafia
- do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.
1. Im vt. 2. Bats is mafia. 3. Chezinu rule. ##vote Bats On June 13 2015 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 21:55 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
But you dont want to convince me or Trfel?
Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia.
So that does not include fluff and defensive posts.
I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening. Im sure you read the most recent Ver game where he caught at least one mafia because of a bad opening post. Tell me, why did you vote for the vt claim? You think that mafia somehow claims vt in one of the first few posts? Have you see that happen before? Switches his read on Bats fairly easily, doesn't mention the reason for switching to geript - bails + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 01:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im going to sleep.
Lynch geript.
Wants to go after Moosy now, even though he only mentions a joke post about him and nothing else + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let's get moosy tmr On June 13 2015 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 01:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
##unvote
##vote moosygoosy So you're voting along with scum? Interesting. I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post. So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt? Dont like that at all. Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread. Geript too btw. I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop. I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against. But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose. And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster. Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself. You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you). LOL So you're not even assuming the same thing Geript apparently did? Geript at least seemed to assume Moosy was town shitposting at first which would make scum jump on for an easy mislynch, but you think he's scum and ALSO think scum would bus him right off the bat? That's fucking horrible. Dude, wtf would the Mafias do that for. Shouldn't they try and help each other? LOL this post. Oh man. I would feel so silly if moose is mafia. Throws out lynching me with no explanation - I and others ask about it but never replies - what happened to Moosy? + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
I quite like lynching Scot. Meta reason for calling Damdred scum - still doesn't explain the reasoning on me + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 15:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Damdred didn't call me town, he's scum.
Also that completely pointless list post that has more townreads than scum reads.
Sulph / damdred mafia.
Scott also maybe. Goes back to Damdred without reason except for the above? + Show Spoiler +On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it.
What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good.
or damdred.
Oats asks a lot of questions without followup Follows the bandwagon of the thread until KS wants to be lynched Shit reasons for wanting to lynch me and Damdred Unsure what direction he wants to go if he's town Oats could be mafia.
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On June 18 2015 03:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Despite the fact that I've been reading ruXxar as a Mafia like a madman, I'm still inclined to think he's a newbie for some reason. T.T Maybe it's the fact that he keeps on making mistakes like no Mafia should consistently do, but the same thing happened with Sulfurus. Thoughts from others?
It really is kind of weird, but I think I want him for the lynch today after reading the interactions between Sulf and him that I posted - among the bluehunting, hard defends, etc. Ruxx is #1 right now.
Oats had a couple better posts, but I'm still suspicious. I know making reads between you and ruxxar are pretty bad at the moment, but with Sulf do count; he posted TWICE "I'm not dying tonight" which I didn't like either. #2
Bats keeps trying to go after me without giving reasons multiple times would put him #3.
Trfel/Wave/Moosy are all town, and I'd put them in that order. I didn't like Wave's "Ugh this game" after lynching scum but that is a super minor point - every thing else has had sense, thought, and direction.
Rels would be behind them but if he gets slacking Day 3 (Since his Day 2 took a lot of effort) looks good.
KS looks a lot better late day 2 after he came back from almost giving up and shooting
Damdred seems a little defensive but he's still an inch above null.
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On June 18 2015 04:01 ruXxar wrote:
I also believe that sulfur jumped on scotts really nice mafia post about oats to try to gain some towncred for oats when sulfur flipped.
It really wasn't that great, it was more of a joke post since I posted like two quotes of Oats and Sulf called that a case. I didn't take it too seriously or I else I would've put "Oats is Mafia" NOT "Oats may be mafia" - you know what I mean?
You think it was really nice? Tell me more...
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On June 18 2015 06:27 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 18 2015 06:18 batsnacks wrote:On June 18 2015 06:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 18 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 18 2015 06:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 18 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 18 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 18 2015 05:56 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy's posts that is. Wait for him to write up a case. Sounds like a perfect excuse to make some pizza, brb. Woah you make pizza?? protip: use whole whole pita bread as base; add pasta sauce, toppings, and cheese; bake at 400 until bread is crispy on bottom. Seems less like a tip and more like a whole guide. Compared to making real pizza from scratch it's a tip. shhh...you should stop replying to my posts or else people will make associative cases. I heard rumors that wave loves those.
So do I.
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GG Moosy
I'm not mafia though - I haven't been liking Oats for quite a bit and I agree with the Sulfurus comments you said. Unless someone comes with some crazy post, Sounds like a good start. Ruxx looks SLIGHTLY better but...
Do you have any questions for me bud I could shine some clarification on?
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And I apologize a bit for not putting all my thoughts the first couple of days - I asked to replace into this game when I thought the other one was already over - and we pulled off a scum lynch and it continued for another two days. and we had a decent chance to pull it out of triple LYLO.
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On June 18 2015 06:59 Trfel wrote:Wheeee!!! Keep in mind the Day 2 voting analysis I posted here. Analysis of Sulfurus' Filter+ Show Spoiler +Willing to vote for Kickstart early on, suggests that Kickstart is town
Says that he would lynch Damdred
Voted for batsnacks
Rels town
Would lynch Trfel
Vote on Oatsmaster
(final list post ignored due to WIFOM)
This suggests to me that Damdred is town and batsnacks is town, and also Kickstart town. It seems to hint at Rels being scummy. I don't think it says anything about Oatsmaster, because the wagons between Sulfurus and Kickstart were about even at this point. It looked fairly bad for Sulfurus here, so his vote on Oatsmaster isn't very useful (if he was really trying to stay alive, he would have voted for Kickstart, who he was comfortable scumreading). Day 1 Voting Analysis + Show Spoiler +Vote Countbatsnacks (6): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Sulfurus, Rels, Trfel Sulfurus (4): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveofShadow Not Voting: MoosyDoosy, Damdred, scott31337 This is the situation when scott31337 places his vote. He voted for Sulfurus here. At the time of his vote, there was a little less than 20 hours left in Day 1. His vote for Sulfurus here doesn't actually mean that much. There's a lot of time left in the day, and it's likely that many people will switch votes. Still, his vote on Sulfurus leaves batsnacks in the vote lead, and when Sulfurus flips, it makes him look better. The only reason that mafia!scott31337 wouldn't want to vote for Sulfurus here is in case his vote ends up making the difference and he doesn't have an excuse to switch. On June 13 2015 14:45 scott31337 wrote:
He has not laid any of his battraps though, which makes me wonder, he almost always does this as town. He said this to me in BBCode. There's something that he can use as an excuse to switch to batsnacks later. He says this before the Rels wagon started. Vote CountSulfurus (5): Kickstart, batsnacks, WaveofShadow, scott31337, MoosyDoosy Rels (3):: Trfel, Damdred, geriptbatsnacks (3): n00bKing, ruXxar, Sulfurusgeript (2): Rels, Oatsmaster The Rels wagon is gaining steam and the batsnacks wagon is dying. It looks like the lynch will come down to Sulfurus and Rels, and it looks fairly close. Here, scott31337 switched to Rels from Sulfurus, bringing them to four votes each. The reason: On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:Rels' Read Progression- Suspicious of ruXxar early
- Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
- Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
- Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
- Changes read on ruXxar to town
- Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
- Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
- Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
- List post
- Unvotes batsnacks
- Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
- Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling. I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man! What has he said about Rels before this? On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels (rest of list post omitted) On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. Given how his post before switching to Rels, he said this: On June 14 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:I'm trying to figure out why people are scumreading sulfurus. I read through his filter and I found nothing to make me read him as either alignment. I went through the voting history to see who voted for him. The kickstart vote was too early to judge for me, so I ignored it. The next one to vote is geript. Reading through geripts filter I get a bad vibe. On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. He pointed out that since noone jumped on moosy for this post, then moosy is mafia. This makes no sense to me. To me that post is filled with genuine excitement from a newbie. Seeing as I'm a newbie too i understand all to well how he must've felt in his early posts. On June 13 2015 03:31 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript I don't understand how you go from seemingly town-->scum-->town on moosy without any real change in anything he has done. Not following thought processes with you at all, though I think that actually might be standard for you and it annoys me. Never assumed he was town to start w/ babycakes. Moreso: 1. Moosy makes a god awful post --> I think he's scum 2. No one pushes Moosy --> If he's town I'd expect someone to have jumped on him therefore scum 3. Posts a shit ton --> Probably just nubian with bad opening and mafia afk or otherwise engaged On June 13 2015 05:29 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Did you look at this post at all? He's commenting about things that don't really matter in a way that he's seemingly had some interesting thought on it. He asks a question that's essentially a statement. He meanders through potentially interesting topics while giving no opinion on anything. Then he plays the dumbtell card. It's a big post that literally offers nothing while commenting on things in a way that confer a formed opinion. It almost can be boiled down to: "I've been thinking about this game, but I won't really comment on it at all. What do you guys think about this random stuff?" I don't see even newer town players do that often. Then he gets into an argument with waveofshadow who also picks up on his inconsistency in alignment on moosy. I can't see his reasoning for voting on sulfurous. Basically he said 2 things about sulfurous: On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. and On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him? I'd rather lynch you. Then kickstart says this which aligns with my own thinking. On June 13 2015 06:03 Kickstart wrote:
Went through geript's filter. His move off moosy and onto sulfurus was weird to me. He just said "id rather lynch you" in this thread, then voted in the other thread, and hasn't mentioned it at all. strange. This give me a townlean on kickstart. I still think bats is our best lynch for day 1, but geript has raised a red flag for me. I want to know why he's voting for sulfurus. Why does this just scream "save sulfurus" for some reason to me? It seems like he was preparing to look good for bussing Sulfurus, but left himself an out to vote for batsnacks if necessary, and then decided to join the Rels wagon when he had a chance. This feels rather scummy. Day 2 Voting Analysis + Show Spoiler +Along with Sulfurus, scott31337 voted for Kickstart to bring the wagons to Kickstart with five votes and Sulfurus with six. Despite this being close, it became clear that Sulfurus was going to be lynched, so scott31337 switched votes to Sulfurus. On June 17 2015 06:49 scott31337 wrote:
If Sulf is mafia then I'll look like shit
Trfel is my believer and WoS is my believer they want Sulf dead
Sulf isn't doing shit
Let's go Sulf then fuhq it
And he's well aware that Sulfurus flipping red makes him look bad. I think this is pretty obvious. Read Progression + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote:
Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now. He scumreads geript here, but uses the reason that geript is good at mafia to weaken his argument. As a result, he doesn't push this at all (and it would be hard to push geript, because he is a strong player). He also scumreads MoosyDoosy and batsnacks, back when MoosyDoosy was a very easy target and batsnacks was scumread by most people. On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. It makes no sense whatsoever for town!scott31337 to townread Rels for scumreading the person he replaced for his one post. Assuming that scott31337 is town, he townreads Rels for scumreading someone who scott31337 knows is town and was only able to make one (useless) post. There is no reason whatsoever that Rels should get a townread for this. To me, this feels like scott31337 is attempting to pocket Rels, which makes sense given that Rels would naturally be suspicious of him after the replacement. His explanation here adds that he townread Rels for strongly believing this case, but mafia!Rels has no reason NOT to push his case so strongly because he knows that Fake)Plants is town (thus an easy mislynch) and that he almost certainly won't provide strong resistance. On June 13 2015 02:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.
Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.
The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence. Wow moosy. I have to give you 5 stars for this read. It's like you're inside my head or something. I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on. You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube. I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do. From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent. They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto, often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person. I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon). Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town. This is Rexxar's best post. The goosebumps part sounds so legitimate and would be extremely creative to fake from the posts he made earlier. Slight town read Slight townread on ruXxar. Then he doesn't mention ruXxar for a while, until: On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar Including basically everyone who could be lynched today in the "Could Lynch" category. Again, note that he ends up voting for Rels, despite having included him in the "Probably wouldn't lynch today" category, the only reasons being sheeping me and this post: On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. Finally, he's always saying he could lynch geript, without actually pushing it or doing anything about it. When the votes finally switched to geript, and scott31337 switched his own vote to geript, he didn't say anything whatsoever. I need to move on, I'm running out of time, but I'm pretty confident that scott31337 is mafia. + Show Spoiler +OatsmasterDay 1 Reads + Show Spoiler +Day 1 Suspicions:batsnacksKickstartn00bKing (later votes) geriptSulfurus and geriptDamdredDay 1 TownreadsgeriptruXxarn00bKing RelsHe's really not offering townreads, and he's throwing a LOT of suspicion around. This isn't necessarily alignment indicative, as town!Oatsmaster loves to throw suspicion around. However, his stance on Sulfurus is very suspicious. On June 13 2015 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
if bats flips town, ill be going after sulfurus.
On June 13 2015 18:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would lynch geript if we don't lynch bats. Finally, the voting analysis of Day 1 looks suspicious. He was hard scumreading batsnacks for a very long time, and eventually the votes went to batsnacks at 6, and Sulfurus at 4. Then Rels unvoted, and it looked like the batsnacks wagon was going to collapse. Instead of waiting for Sulfurus (who he already said he would lynch after batsnacks), Oatsmaster stayed around and waited until it looked like there was a good chance of a geript wagon, and then voted geript and went to sleep. While he did townread Rels, he did this before the push on Rels began. This is Oatsmaster trying to save Sulfurus, but not looking bad if he flips. Kickstart batsnacks WaveofShadow Probably TownRels (despite Sulfurus association) MoosyDoosy Damdred Dunno (need to read his filters again) ruXxar Mafia LeanOatsmaster Mafiascott31337
On June 18 2015 06:59 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Wheeee!!! Keep in mind the Day 2 voting analysis I posted here. Analysis of Sulfurus' Filter+ Show Spoiler +Willing to vote for Kickstart early on, suggests that Kickstart is town Says that he would lynch Damdred Voted for batsnacks Rels town Would lynch Trfel Vote on Oatsmaster (final list post ignored due to WIFOM) This suggests to me that Damdred is town and batsnacks is town, and also Kickstart town. It seems to hint at Rels being scummy. I don't think it says anything about Oatsmaster, because the wagons between Sulfurus and Kickstart were about even at this point. It looked fairly bad for Sulfurus here, so his vote on Oatsmaster isn't very useful (if he was really trying to stay alive, he would have voted for Kickstart, who he was comfortable scumreading). scott31337Day 1 Voting Analysis + Show Spoiler +Vote Countbatsnacks (6): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Sulfurus, Rels, Trfel Sulfurus (4): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveofShadow Not Voting: MoosyDoosy, Damdred, scott31337 This is the situation when scott31337 places his vote. He voted for Sulfurus here. At the time of his vote, there was a little less than 20 hours left in Day 1. His vote for Sulfurus here doesn't actually mean that much. There's a lot of time left in the day, and it's likely that many people will switch votes. Still, his vote on Sulfurus leaves batsnacks in the vote lead, and when Sulfurus flips, it makes him look better. The only reason that mafia!scott31337 wouldn't want to vote for Sulfurus here is in case his vote ends up making the difference and he doesn't have an excuse to switch. On June 13 2015 14:45 scott31337 wrote:
He has not laid any of his battraps though, which makes me wonder, he almost always does this as town. He said this to me in BBCode. There's something that he can use as an excuse to switch to batsnacks later. He says this before the Rels wagon started. Vote CountSulfurus (5): Kickstart, batsnacks, WaveofShadow, scott31337, MoosyDoosy Rels (3):: Trfel, Damdred, geriptbatsnacks (3): n00bKing, ruXxar, Sulfurusgeript (2): Rels, Oatsmaster The Rels wagon is gaining steam and the batsnacks wagon is dying. It looks like the lynch will come down to Sulfurus and Rels, and it looks fairly close. Here, scott31337 switched to Rels from Sulfurus, bringing them to four votes each. The reason: On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:Rels' Read Progression- Suspicious of ruXxar early
- Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
- Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
- Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
- Changes read on ruXxar to town
- Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
- Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
- Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
- List post
- Unvotes batsnacks
- Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
- Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling. I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man! What has he said about Rels before this? On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels (rest of list post omitted) On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. Given how his post before switching to Rels, he said this: On June 14 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:I'm trying to figure out why people are scumreading sulfurus. I read through his filter and I found nothing to make me read him as either alignment. I went through the voting history to see who voted for him. The kickstart vote was too early to judge for me, so I ignored it. The next one to vote is geript. Reading through geripts filter I get a bad vibe. On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. He pointed out that since noone jumped on moosy for this post, then moosy is mafia. This makes no sense to me. To me that post is filled with genuine excitement from a newbie. Seeing as I'm a newbie too i understand all to well how he must've felt in his early posts. On June 13 2015 03:31 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript I don't understand how you go from seemingly town-->scum-->town on moosy without any real change in anything he has done. Not following thought processes with you at all, though I think that actually might be standard for you and it annoys me. Never assumed he was town to start w/ babycakes. Moreso: 1. Moosy makes a god awful post --> I think he's scum 2. No one pushes Moosy --> If he's town I'd expect someone to have jumped on him therefore scum 3. Posts a shit ton --> Probably just nubian with bad opening and mafia afk or otherwise engaged On June 13 2015 05:29 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Did you look at this post at all? He's commenting about things that don't really matter in a way that he's seemingly had some interesting thought on it. He asks a question that's essentially a statement. He meanders through potentially interesting topics while giving no opinion on anything. Then he plays the dumbtell card. It's a big post that literally offers nothing while commenting on things in a way that confer a formed opinion. It almost can be boiled down to: "I've been thinking about this game, but I won't really comment on it at all. What do you guys think about this random stuff?" I don't see even newer town players do that often. Then he gets into an argument with waveofshadow who also picks up on his inconsistency in alignment on moosy. I can't see his reasoning for voting on sulfurous. Basically he said 2 things about sulfurous: On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. and On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him? I'd rather lynch you. Then kickstart says this which aligns with my own thinking. On June 13 2015 06:03 Kickstart wrote:
Went through geript's filter. His move off moosy and onto sulfurus was weird to me. He just said "id rather lynch you" in this thread, then voted in the other thread, and hasn't mentioned it at all. strange. This give me a townlean on kickstart. I still think bats is our best lynch for day 1, but geript has raised a red flag for me. I want to know why he's voting for sulfurus. Why does this just scream "save sulfurus" for some reason to me? It seems like he was preparing to look good for bussing Sulfurus, but left himself an out to vote for batsnacks if necessary, and then decided to join the Rels wagon when he had a chance. This feels rather scummy. Day 2 Voting Analysis + Show Spoiler +Along with Sulfurus, scott31337 voted for Kickstart to bring the wagons to Kickstart with five votes and Sulfurus with six. Despite this being close, it became clear that Sulfurus was going to be lynched, so scott31337 switched votes to Sulfurus. On June 17 2015 06:49 scott31337 wrote:
If Sulf is mafia then I'll look like shit
Trfel is my believer and WoS is my believer they want Sulf dead
Sulf isn't doing shit
Let's go Sulf then fuhq it
And he's well aware that Sulfurus flipping red makes him look bad. I think this is pretty obvious. Read Progression + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote:
Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now. He scumreads geript here, but uses the reason that geript is good at mafia to weaken his argument. As a result, he doesn't push this at all (and it would be hard to push geript, because he is a strong player). He also scumreads MoosyDoosy and batsnacks, back when MoosyDoosy was a very easy target and batsnacks was scumread by most people. On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. It makes no sense whatsoever for town!scott31337 to townread Rels for scumreading the person he replaced for his one post. Assuming that scott31337 is town, he townreads Rels for scumreading someone who scott31337 knows is town and was only able to make one (useless) post. There is no reason whatsoever that Rels should get a townread for this. To me, this feels like scott31337 is attempting to pocket Rels, which makes sense given that Rels would naturally be suspicious of him after the replacement. His explanation here adds that he townread Rels for strongly believing this case, but mafia!Rels has no reason NOT to push his case so strongly because he knows that Fake)Plants is town (thus an easy mislynch) and that he almost certainly won't provide strong resistance. On June 13 2015 02:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.
Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.
The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence. Wow moosy. I have to give you 5 stars for this read. It's like you're inside my head or something. I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on. You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube. I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do. From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent. They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto, often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person. I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon). Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town. This is Rexxar's best post. The goosebumps part sounds so legitimate and would be extremely creative to fake from the posts he made earlier. Slight town read Slight townread on ruXxar. Then he doesn't mention ruXxar for a while, until: On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar Including basically everyone who could be lynched today in the "Could Lynch" category. Again, note that he ends up voting for Rels, despite having included him in the "Probably wouldn't lynch today" category, the only reasons being sheeping me and this post: On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. Finally, he's always saying he could lynch geript, without actually pushing it or doing anything about it. When the votes finally switched to geript, and scott31337 switched his own vote to geript, he didn't say anything whatsoever. I need to move on, I'm running out of time, but I'm pretty confident that scott31337 is mafia. OatsmasterDay 1 Reads + Show Spoiler +Day 1 Suspicions:batsnacksKickstartn00bKing (later votes) geriptSulfurus and geriptDamdredDay 1 TownreadsgeriptruXxarn00bKing RelsHe's really not offering townreads, and he's throwing a LOT of suspicion around. This isn't necessarily alignment indicative, as town!Oatsmaster loves to throw suspicion around. However, his stance on Sulfurus is very suspicious. On June 13 2015 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
if bats flips town, ill be going after sulfurus.
On June 13 2015 18:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would lynch geript if we don't lynch bats. Finally, the voting analysis of Day 1 looks suspicious. He was hard scumreading batsnacks for a very long time, and eventually the votes went to batsnacks at 6, and Sulfurus at 4. Then Rels unvoted, and it looked like the batsnacks wagon was going to collapse. Instead of waiting for Sulfurus (who he already said he would lynch after batsnacks), Oatsmaster stayed around and waited until it looked like there was a good chance of a geript wagon, and then voted geript and went to sleep. While he did townread Rels, he did this before the push on Rels began. This is Oatsmaster trying to save Sulfurus, but not looking bad if he flips. Kickstart batsnacks WaveofShadow Probably TownRels (despite Sulfurus association) MoosyDoosy Damdred Dunno (need to read his filters again) ruXxar Mafia LeanOatsmaster Mafiascott31337 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu1qa8N2ID0
So the first part, is when I townread Rels, I wrote what I meant incorrectly. I wasn't townreading him for calling out my replacement, I was townreading him even if he called out my replacement. I posted this a little bit later.
On June 13 2015 06:56 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote:[spoiler] On June 12 2015 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway Trfel, what makes bats town?
I had a town lean on batsnacks due to the balance between his jokes and serious reads. Since then, batsnacks has been much more serious, and his jokes are few and far between, so this read isn't valid any more. On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
NAI is a new thing lol.
I kinda like ruxxar.
It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them.
He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO.
(bold added) So if he doesn't do it intentionally, then why is it towny? On June 12 2015 15:03 n00bKing wrote:
It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said.
You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player. This point about ruXxar continuing to press the lying issue is good. I guess I judged ruXxar too early. ##unvoteOn June 12 2015 16:35 Rels wrote:
Hello everybody, GL HF!
I'll read the thread now and comment on things. See you soon. I really don't like this post at all. Posting without having read the thread is useless, the only thing it helps with is making it look like you're doing more work that you actually are, and it detracts from scumhunting. But making a useless post after the investigation has already started is pathetic. On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent. Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this? On June 13 2015 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't decide now if I think geript and bats could be scum together for this horribleness. Association cases = bad but I can't help it and I THINK it's probably not the case. One of them at least for sure though.
I have no idea why someone as experienced as WaveofShadow would share a potential association case while in the same post acknowledging that association cases are bad. Please explain. On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. Why does calling out the player with only one post, who needs to get replaced, make someone town? Especially because, if you are town, he called out the easiest player to pick on who happens to be confirmed town. I really don't like batsnacks' response to the pressure on him. Batsnacks doesn't normally react like this, he's fine under pressure. In my first game playing with him, I tunneled him for basically all of Day 1 and Night 1, and he made a post telling people to stop arguing about useless things and read the case I had posted on him. I need to read some filters, but batsnacks seems very active, concerned about his safety, but not providing actual content. On June 13 2015 06:42 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 03:28 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what geripts alignment is... Clearly that guy is 3P. I don't know what 3P means either. Third party. Let me rephrase this since I see what you are saying but I didn't type that properly. Rels made a case on my replacement slot that he believed in, and caught Plants in a "lie" - I saw him a slight town read for believing in his case. I meant more of (even if he is calling out my replacement slot).
For the vote, KS was looking a bit better, and yes I was a bit unsure. I only had about 20 minutes. I went with the right decision. I've been scumming Sulf for most of the game - I voted for him day 1 for a tie breaker. I admit, my vote was late and didn't swing what would happen anyway. It's also after sulf flipped I saw what might be coming "inb4 scott bussed sulfurus" - I didn't have much time. Moosy (our dead doctor) saw the above as well, including the vote.
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The games over so I can go into it a little bit deeper now - so KS's day one here had very little posting and conclusions. in Guardians as doctor, he was ready to go with a lot more detailed analysis. He was being scum read by most of the people there, but there were some things that made me think he was town, which was not the consensus at that time. It still was a mixed bag (I voted the other wagon) and then he claimed one minute before without enough time for people to adjust and he got lynched. It was almost like night and day from his day one in this game -that's what made me so suspicious of him. The Geript case sounded pretty good, so I let it go and sheeped it. Day two comes and KS is just making afk remarks and almost gives up - and I think he probably sat back, said screw this I'm town I'm going to help out - and started looking a lot better. We go on Sulf and he's the GF. KS could have bussed (so could I have, right?!?) But I am doubtful.
TLDR- I think KS is town now.
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The other game (Guardians) we played together Ruxx, it's against the rules to talk about ongoing games.
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On June 18 2015 07:51 ruXxar wrote:Another question for you scott: Why do you think Sulfurus put you on this list? Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 06:52 Sulfurus wrote:
K before I die:
4 lynches
Oatsmaster
Kickstarter
Batsnacks
MoosyDoosy
If I don't get lynched: Scott31337
Top town
Rels And why do you think he put you buy yourself and wrote "in case I don't get lynched?
It's WIFOM really - he could play the "too scummy to be scum" and call out his teammates or pick a bunch of half townie read people. WoS said it well "Its shit."
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On June 18 2015 19:18 Rels wrote:
OK I'm updating my town list:
WOS
Trfel
Kickstart
batsnacks
By POE 2 mafia are probably here:
ruxxar
Oats
Damdred
scott
And I think at least 1 mafia is in here:
batsnacks
scott
ruxxar
Damdred
Kickstart
Trfel
So crossing the lists, these people has a good chance being mafia:
scott
ruxxar
Damdred
Ordered that last list from most scum to less scum.
So I see the idea of your crosslist, but I'm still curious of how Damdred gets there when you say he is a good sign up above, and how Oats is not, when Oats seems to be at the bottom for me and is suspicious to yourself (and myself) as well.
On June 18 2015 19:20 Rels wrote:OK I really have to work now (= didn't do shit all morning as obviously I was posting things here. TODO list when I have time: ruxxar / Sulfu interactions analysis + updating my scott case.
Please do, I've already wrote my points from above - you can see the other Guardians Game if you think I'm bullshitting about it.
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On June 19 2015 05:08 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 05:06 Rels wrote:
OK so the only way scott has to defend himself is to convince you that someone you think townie is suspicious right ? Scott shouldn't waste his time appealing to me, I won't stop voting him for the rest of the game.
Since you are just going to tunnel on me until you I'm dead and I'm town - I should be suspicious of you then right?
Your "Me/Oats" final answer makes me wonder now though...
On June 19 2015 05:40 Rels wrote:
Last thought of the day: this push is too easy. So easy. There is 6 people voting scott, and WOS was here and did nothing to interrupt that: so that's 7 people out of 9, and 2 mafia left. Statistically, there is at least one mafia on these 7, who is currently is not doing anything to make the thread move.
And I can apply this theory for the whole day. Almost nothing happened, and scott was the most likely train from the very beginning. I know for a fact ruxx and Oats were here and did nothing, for example.
So to me everybody is happy with the lynch going this way: town 'cause scott is super scummy, AND mafia.
So it seems that the mafia team is happy with scott going down. It can mean:
- scott is not defendable
- scott is townie
I am glad you are thinking about this option - It always has made me wonder when a lynch comes too easily without defense. In six games, I have never bussed before, but everyone thinks I'm the bus master. I explained my voting reasons before, but I'll try again -
I was on Sulfurus at a pitoval point on Day 1 - but then I saw Batsnacks case and it made a lot of sense, and I voted for it. A regret now (plus among the hour being earlier then anyone thought) which sucked.
For day 2 - I was in my other mafia game (Guardians) and thought this game would be over already, but it was not - it continued for another day and I was almost able to pull off a victory from triple lylo - but I was unable to - I did reading in this thread as well, posted about Oats, read about KS's comeback - and had about twenty minutes to vote. I picked KS at first, and then my top towns were on Sulfurus, so I switched votes. You're right, it looks kinda bad - I guess even worse if I left my vote on KS - Oats and Rels did.
On June 19 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 05:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 19 2015 03:53 Kickstart wrote:
I dunno I don't see much scum motivation in Damdreds day2 stuff around the sulfurus lynch. Basically said he refused to lynch me when I was probably who scum were going to try for and he was one of the first onto sulf. I mean its possible but if Damdred is scum why doesn't he try to get something going on a townie instead of just hard defending me and immediatly voting his scum buddy. Doesnt make sense to me :/ I have a problem with this personally. It makes perfect sense to me for this reason exactly. Damdred could simply be playing the 'solo' mafia and pocketing specific players. A hard defense of a player when no one else is out for it fits the bill pretty well. Especially given that it's the 'strong' players. Did the same for batsnacks. I actually think Damdred might be scum here. Sitting back completely flying under the radar is NOT how Damdred plays, I just played a game where he was town and I was scum and it was not like this. I also still need to hear back from Oats regarding my earlier question. As far as the wagon on Scott I'm not sure how I feel about it. Did you read my posts? I thought they were pretty compelling.
Please inform me of what posts - I just read your filter and see -
On June 19 2015 03:46 batsnacks wrote:
so townies are very likely to be:
Batsnacks
Oats
Ruxxar
Rels
Kickstart
Wave
Mafia is:
Scott
Damdred
If I need to I will make a meta case on Damdred. Did I miss anyone?
On June 19 2015 03:24 batsnacks wrote:
If someone could step in a nod occasionally so that I don't start quintuple posting that would be great.
Thinking about it more, ruxxar is probably town and probably wound up on so many wagons because he is over thinking his first game. He probably discredited my geript read because he saw n00b do it first and thought it would be okay for him to do it. I think all of his scummy actions can be explained in a way that makes sense for town.
Scott on the other hand does not make an appearance in sulfur's filter until 10 minutes before sulfur is about to be lynched. I am starting to like the possibility of sulfur attempting to wifom Scott/oats. Sulfur's read on Damdred is also suspicious.
Sulf's post is a bunch of WIFOM and it seems to be working for you - but this is the only thing here I see in your filter as a "compelling reason" - the rest are just one lines (scott's a lowly goon, shennanie to scott, etc. with no facts.)
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On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
Yeah bats is a completely stupid lynch, here. (Never use this again bats is to smart a player)
If you look at bats last scum/town games you see a few things crop up.
1) as scum once it's clear that he is going to,be one of,l the leading wagons his care factor diminishes to a few posts randomly complaining without doing anything about it or pushing his own thoughts.
In comparison here he is pushing what he thinks explaining why he's town,and,not giving,up. I liked bats when I first read his filter. He keeps pushing the thread.
2) as scum, he has developed an ability to have weak scum reads to a point.
Here he has well reasoned or seemingly well reasoned reasons for calling people out.
3) resorts to trolling as scum when he's caught.
He's not doing this here.
Bats is town, besides meta. Biggest filter, most controversial figure d1. Okish reads.
Leave the bats alone
So doing some filter drive from Damdred on D1 - I see #2 here, but I do not see "well reasoned or seemingly well reasoned reasons" for calling me out. Do you still see this Damdred?
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Exactly
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And I'm unvoting Oats now I think he's town -
On June 19 2015 02:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:22 ruXxar wrote:
So I wanted to start a process of elimination.
Right now my most solid town reads are:
Wave:
For his reaction to my call out of blue hunting.
For his "I want this dead" comment on sulfur.
Batsnacks:
For the way sulf desperately cried out that bats was scum when people swapped votes from sulf to rels.
Kickstart:
For ... Reasons. hey dude if you are calling bats town because sulph scumread him, why arent you calling me town? sulph scumread me too.
What reasons? I think I'll just wait for the others to get here, because I've read your filter twice, and there aren't any reasons in there.
I love the tunnel - just like on Geript right? But when I get lynched and flip town, you'll flip your read on Damdred tomorrow right and go after someone else?
Scott has psychic powers every game! He must be scum! This ones for you VE
## Damdred / Batsnacks / Sulfurus
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Yeah I'll be back in a couple hours to answer questions from reasonable townsfolk.
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Trfel - what did I not answer to when I replied to your case?
On June 19 2015 09:34 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 03:42 batsnacks wrote:Sulfur's strategy d1 is getting on my wagon asap and townreading the other people who voted and stayed on my wagon. Sulfur is "rewarding" n00b and ruxxar with town reads because they are pushing an agenda that benefits him. Sulfur does not need to reward his scum mates to get them to push his agenda, they do it for free. K now I'm about to possibly get controversial. Re-reading sulfur's filter again, oats is town. I will show you why with sulfur's oats case: On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:K I just realized that Oats is scummy. I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts) Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town. ##Vote: Oatsmaster Look where sulfur says oats is discrediting n00b and Rels townie posts. Sulfur is defending their posts from the big bad bully oats. Newer mafia players do this a lot as scum; they defend townies from aggressive/abrasive town players and scum read them because they believe that the abrasive townie's attitude will make them easier to mislynch. They believe they are earning town points from saving other townie's from the bully. This also implies that Rels is town. And what prevents newer mafia players from defending townies from aggressive/abrasive scum players because they know that their arguments are false? Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:36 batsnacks wrote:
I just remembered that sulfur hard defended Rels and rux from trfel d1. This is very likely a case of sulfur defending town from town, which he also did with oats and Rels/n00b. If Trfel is mafia sulfur is not going to hard defend two townies from him.
Scott/Damdred final answer. Despite your conclusion, this is a bad argument. Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 05:40 Rels wrote:
Last thought of the day: this push is too easy. So easy. There is 6 people voting scott, and WOS was here and did nothing to interrupt that: so that's 7 people out of 9, and 2 mafia left. Statistically, there is at least one mafia on these 7, who is currently is not doing anything to make the thread move.
And I can apply this theory for the whole day. Almost nothing happened, and scott was the most likely train from the very beginning. I know for a fact ruxx and Oats were here and did nothing, for example.
So to me everybody is happy with the lynch going this way: town 'cause scott is super scummy, AND mafia.
So it seems that the mafia team is happy with scott going down. It can mean:
- scott is not defendable
- scott is townie There's only two mafia left, and since this assumes that scott31337 is mafia, then there's only one other. Honestly, I feel like scott31337 is being more and more obviously mafia as the day goes, and I don't really see how scum could defend him here. Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 08:39 scott31337 wrote:On June 19 2015 05:40 Rels wrote:
Last thought of the day: this push is too easy. So easy. There is 6 people voting scott, and WOS was here and did nothing to interrupt that: so that's 7 people out of 9, and 2 mafia left. Statistically, there is at least one mafia on these 7, who is currently is not doing anything to make the thread move.
And I can apply this theory for the whole day. Almost nothing happened, and scott was the most likely train from the very beginning. I know for a fact ruxx and Oats were here and did nothing, for example.
So to me everybody is happy with the lynch going this way: town 'cause scott is super scummy, AND mafia.
So it seems that the mafia team is happy with scott going down. It can mean:
- scott is not defendable
- scott is townie I am glad you are thinking about this option - It always has made me wonder when a lynch comes too easily without defense. In six games, I have never bussed before, but everyone thinks I'm the bus master. I explained my voting reasons before, but I'll try again - I was on Sulfurus at a pitoval point on Day 1 - but then I saw Batsnacks case and it made a lot of sense, and I voted for it. A regret now (plus among the hour being earlier then anyone thought) which sucked. For day 2 - I was in my other mafia game (Guardians) and thought this game would be over already, but it was not - it continued for another day and I was almost able to pull off a victory from triple lylo - but I was unable to - I did reading in this thread as well, posted about Oats, read about KS's comeback - and had about twenty minutes to vote. I picked KS at first, and then my top towns were on Sulfurus, so I switched votes. You're right, it looks kinda bad - I guess even worse if I left my vote on KS - Oats and Rels did. Scott31337 is ignoring the points I've brought against him. He happily omits switching off of Sulfurus to vote for Rels, and how he provided no original reasons for voting for Rels and for geript. He keeps saying how he voted for Sulfurus at a pivotal moment, when it really wasn't that crucial (especially knowing that he and Sulfurus didn't have much thread presence, thus lacked ability to move the lynch effectively). Once again he makes activity excuses, and says that his vote looked bad. But he's dodging the facts, and he's being inconsistent in his defense. When he actually switched to Sulfurus Day 2, his posts clearly show that he was voting with his top towns and with just because Sulfurus was ninja voting, he didn't bring up any actual reasons to suspect Sulfurus at all. Last time he explained his vote switch at the end of Day 2, he added the line "I've been scumming Sulf for most of the game", which wasn't something he mentioned at all when he actually switched votes. And now he didn't bring that up in his latest explanation of the vote switch. I'm really not sure about people scumreading Damdred. I've scumread Damdred the last few games I've played, and really it's just made the games an unfriendly yelling match (and he's always been town). From what I've seen of Damdred this game, he's been a bit underwhelming but he still feels towny, primarily for the way he pushed Sulfurus.
On June 18 2015 07:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:59 Trfel wrote:Wheeee!!! Keep in mind the Day 2 voting analysis I posted here. Analysis of Sulfurus' Filter+ Show Spoiler +Willing to vote for Kickstart early on, suggests that Kickstart is town
Says that he would lynch Damdred
Voted for batsnacks
Rels town
Would lynch Trfel
Vote on Oatsmaster
(final list post ignored due to WIFOM)
This suggests to me that Damdred is town and batsnacks is town, and also Kickstart town. It seems to hint at Rels being scummy. I don't think it says anything about Oatsmaster, because the wagons between Sulfurus and Kickstart were about even at this point. It looked fairly bad for Sulfurus here, so his vote on Oatsmaster isn't very useful (if he was really trying to stay alive, he would have voted for Kickstart, who he was comfortable scumreading). Day 1 Voting Analysis + Show Spoiler +Vote Countbatsnacks (6): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Sulfurus, Rels, Trfel Sulfurus (4): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveofShadow Not Voting: MoosyDoosy, Damdred, scott31337 This is the situation when scott31337 places his vote. He voted for Sulfurus here. At the time of his vote, there was a little less than 20 hours left in Day 1. His vote for Sulfurus here doesn't actually mean that much. There's a lot of time left in the day, and it's likely that many people will switch votes. Still, his vote on Sulfurus leaves batsnacks in the vote lead, and when Sulfurus flips, it makes him look better. The only reason that mafia!scott31337 wouldn't want to vote for Sulfurus here is in case his vote ends up making the difference and he doesn't have an excuse to switch. On June 13 2015 14:45 scott31337 wrote:
He has not laid any of his battraps though, which makes me wonder, he almost always does this as town. He said this to me in BBCode. There's something that he can use as an excuse to switch to batsnacks later. He says this before the Rels wagon started. Vote CountSulfurus (5): Kickstart, batsnacks, WaveofShadow, scott31337, MoosyDoosy Rels (3):: Trfel, Damdred, geriptbatsnacks (3): n00bKing, ruXxar, Sulfurusgeript (2): Rels, Oatsmaster The Rels wagon is gaining steam and the batsnacks wagon is dying. It looks like the lynch will come down to Sulfurus and Rels, and it looks fairly close. Here, scott31337 switched to Rels from Sulfurus, bringing them to four votes each. The reason: On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:Rels' Read Progression- Suspicious of ruXxar early
- Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
- Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
- Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
- Changes read on ruXxar to town
- Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
- Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
- Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
- List post
- Unvotes batsnacks
- Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
- Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling. I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man! What has he said about Rels before this? On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels (rest of list post omitted) On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. Given how his post before switching to Rels, he said this: On June 14 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:I'm trying to figure out why people are scumreading sulfurus. I read through his filter and I found nothing to make me read him as either alignment. I went through the voting history to see who voted for him. The kickstart vote was too early to judge for me, so I ignored it. The next one to vote is geript. Reading through geripts filter I get a bad vibe. On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. He pointed out that since noone jumped on moosy for this post, then moosy is mafia. This makes no sense to me. To me that post is filled with genuine excitement from a newbie. Seeing as I'm a newbie too i understand all to well how he must've felt in his early posts. On June 13 2015 03:31 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript I don't understand how you go from seemingly town-->scum-->town on moosy without any real change in anything he has done. Not following thought processes with you at all, though I think that actually might be standard for you and it annoys me. Never assumed he was town to start w/ babycakes. Moreso: 1. Moosy makes a god awful post --> I think he's scum 2. No one pushes Moosy --> If he's town I'd expect someone to have jumped on him therefore scum 3. Posts a shit ton --> Probably just nubian with bad opening and mafia afk or otherwise engaged On June 13 2015 05:29 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Did you look at this post at all? He's commenting about things that don't really matter in a way that he's seemingly had some interesting thought on it. He asks a question that's essentially a statement. He meanders through potentially interesting topics while giving no opinion on anything. Then he plays the dumbtell card. It's a big post that literally offers nothing while commenting on things in a way that confer a formed opinion. It almost can be boiled down to: "I've been thinking about this game, but I won't really comment on it at all. What do you guys think about this random stuff?" I don't see even newer town players do that often. Then he gets into an argument with waveofshadow who also picks up on his inconsistency in alignment on moosy. I can't see his reasoning for voting on sulfurous. Basically he said 2 things about sulfurous: On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. and On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him? I'd rather lynch you. Then kickstart says this which aligns with my own thinking. On June 13 2015 06:03 Kickstart wrote:
Went through geript's filter. His move off moosy and onto sulfurus was weird to me. He just said "id rather lynch you" in this thread, then voted in the other thread, and hasn't mentioned it at all. strange. This give me a townlean on kickstart. I still think bats is our best lynch for day 1, but geript has raised a red flag for me. I want to know why he's voting for sulfurus. Why does this just scream "save sulfurus" for some reason to me? It seems like he was preparing to look good for bussing Sulfurus, but left himself an out to vote for batsnacks if necessary, and then decided to join the Rels wagon when he had a chance. This feels rather scummy. Day 2 Voting Analysis + Show Spoiler +Along with Sulfurus, scott31337 voted for Kickstart to bring the wagons to Kickstart with five votes and Sulfurus with six. Despite this being close, it became clear that Sulfurus was going to be lynched, so scott31337 switched votes to Sulfurus. On June 17 2015 06:49 scott31337 wrote:
If Sulf is mafia then I'll look like shit
Trfel is my believer and WoS is my believer they want Sulf dead
Sulf isn't doing shit
Let's go Sulf then fuhq it
And he's well aware that Sulfurus flipping red makes him look bad. I think this is pretty obvious. Read Progression + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote:
Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now. He scumreads geript here, but uses the reason that geript is good at mafia to weaken his argument. As a result, he doesn't push this at all (and it would be hard to push geript, because he is a strong player). He also scumreads MoosyDoosy and batsnacks, back when MoosyDoosy was a very easy target and batsnacks was scumread by most people. On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. It makes no sense whatsoever for town!scott31337 to townread Rels for scumreading the person he replaced for his one post. Assuming that scott31337 is town, he townreads Rels for scumreading someone who scott31337 knows is town and was only able to make one (useless) post. There is no reason whatsoever that Rels should get a townread for this. To me, this feels like scott31337 is attempting to pocket Rels, which makes sense given that Rels would naturally be suspicious of him after the replacement. His explanation here adds that he townread Rels for strongly believing this case, but mafia!Rels has no reason NOT to push his case so strongly because he knows that Fake)Plants is town (thus an easy mislynch) and that he almost certainly won't provide strong resistance. On June 13 2015 02:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.
Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.
The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence. Wow moosy. I have to give you 5 stars for this read. It's like you're inside my head or something. I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on. You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube. I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do. From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent. They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto, often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person. I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon). Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town. This is Rexxar's best post. The goosebumps part sounds so legitimate and would be extremely creative to fake from the posts he made earlier. Slight town read Slight townread on ruXxar. Then he doesn't mention ruXxar for a while, until: On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar Including basically everyone who could be lynched today in the "Could Lynch" category. Again, note that he ends up voting for Rels, despite having included him in the "Probably wouldn't lynch today" category, the only reasons being sheeping me and this post: On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. Finally, he's always saying he could lynch geript, without actually pushing it or doing anything about it. When the votes finally switched to geript, and scott31337 switched his own vote to geript, he didn't say anything whatsoever. I need to move on, I'm running out of time, but I'm pretty confident that scott31337 is mafia. + Show Spoiler +OatsmasterDay 1 Reads + Show Spoiler +Day 1 Suspicions:batsnacksKickstartn00bKing (later votes) geriptSulfurus and geriptDamdredDay 1 TownreadsgeriptruXxarn00bKing RelsHe's really not offering townreads, and he's throwing a LOT of suspicion around. This isn't necessarily alignment indicative, as town!Oatsmaster loves to throw suspicion around. However, his stance on Sulfurus is very suspicious. On June 13 2015 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
if bats flips town, ill be going after sulfurus.
On June 13 2015 18:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would lynch geript if we don't lynch bats. Finally, the voting analysis of Day 1 looks suspicious. He was hard scumreading batsnacks for a very long time, and eventually the votes went to batsnacks at 6, and Sulfurus at 4. Then Rels unvoted, and it looked like the batsnacks wagon was going to collapse. Instead of waiting for Sulfurus (who he already said he would lynch after batsnacks), Oatsmaster stayed around and waited until it looked like there was a good chance of a geript wagon, and then voted geript and went to sleep. While he did townread Rels, he did this before the push on Rels began. This is Oatsmaster trying to save Sulfurus, but not looking bad if he flips. Kickstart batsnacks WaveofShadow Probably TownRels (despite Sulfurus association) MoosyDoosy Damdred Dunno (need to read his filters again) ruXxar Mafia LeanOatsmaster Mafiascott31337 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu1qa8N2ID0 Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:59 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Wheeee!!! Keep in mind the Day 2 voting analysis I posted here. Analysis of Sulfurus' Filter+ Show Spoiler +Willing to vote for Kickstart early on, suggests that Kickstart is town Says that he would lynch Damdred Voted for batsnacks Rels town Would lynch Trfel Vote on Oatsmaster (final list post ignored due to WIFOM) This suggests to me that Damdred is town and batsnacks is town, and also Kickstart town. It seems to hint at Rels being scummy. I don't think it says anything about Oatsmaster, because the wagons between Sulfurus and Kickstart were about even at this point. It looked fairly bad for Sulfurus here, so his vote on Oatsmaster isn't very useful (if he was really trying to stay alive, he would have voted for Kickstart, who he was comfortable scumreading). scott31337Day 1 Voting Analysis + Show Spoiler +Vote Countbatsnacks (6): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Sulfurus, Rels, Trfel Sulfurus (4): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveofShadow Not Voting: MoosyDoosy, Damdred, scott31337 This is the situation when scott31337 places his vote. He voted for Sulfurus here. At the time of his vote, there was a little less than 20 hours left in Day 1. His vote for Sulfurus here doesn't actually mean that much. There's a lot of time left in the day, and it's likely that many people will switch votes. Still, his vote on Sulfurus leaves batsnacks in the vote lead, and when Sulfurus flips, it makes him look better. The only reason that mafia!scott31337 wouldn't want to vote for Sulfurus here is in case his vote ends up making the difference and he doesn't have an excuse to switch. On June 13 2015 14:45 scott31337 wrote:
He has not laid any of his battraps though, which makes me wonder, he almost always does this as town. He said this to me in BBCode. There's something that he can use as an excuse to switch to batsnacks later. He says this before the Rels wagon started. Vote CountSulfurus (5): Kickstart, batsnacks, WaveofShadow, scott31337, MoosyDoosy Rels (3):: Trfel, Damdred, geriptbatsnacks (3): n00bKing, ruXxar, Sulfurusgeript (2): Rels, Oatsmaster The Rels wagon is gaining steam and the batsnacks wagon is dying. It looks like the lynch will come down to Sulfurus and Rels, and it looks fairly close. Here, scott31337 switched to Rels from Sulfurus, bringing them to four votes each. The reason: On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:Rels' Read Progression- Suspicious of ruXxar early
- Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
- Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
- Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
- Changes read on ruXxar to town
- Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
- Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
- Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
- List post
- Unvotes batsnacks
- Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
- Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling. I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man! What has he said about Rels before this? On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels (rest of list post omitted) On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. Given how his post before switching to Rels, he said this: On June 14 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:I'm trying to figure out why people are scumreading sulfurus. I read through his filter and I found nothing to make me read him as either alignment. I went through the voting history to see who voted for him. The kickstart vote was too early to judge for me, so I ignored it. The next one to vote is geript. Reading through geripts filter I get a bad vibe. On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. He pointed out that since noone jumped on moosy for this post, then moosy is mafia. This makes no sense to me. To me that post is filled with genuine excitement from a newbie. Seeing as I'm a newbie too i understand all to well how he must've felt in his early posts. On June 13 2015 03:31 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript I don't understand how you go from seemingly town-->scum-->town on moosy without any real change in anything he has done. Not following thought processes with you at all, though I think that actually might be standard for you and it annoys me. Never assumed he was town to start w/ babycakes. Moreso: 1. Moosy makes a god awful post --> I think he's scum 2. No one pushes Moosy --> If he's town I'd expect someone to have jumped on him therefore scum 3. Posts a shit ton --> Probably just nubian with bad opening and mafia afk or otherwise engaged On June 13 2015 05:29 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Did you look at this post at all? He's commenting about things that don't really matter in a way that he's seemingly had some interesting thought on it. He asks a question that's essentially a statement. He meanders through potentially interesting topics while giving no opinion on anything. Then he plays the dumbtell card. It's a big post that literally offers nothing while commenting on things in a way that confer a formed opinion. It almost can be boiled down to: "I've been thinking about this game, but I won't really comment on it at all. What do you guys think about this random stuff?" I don't see even newer town players do that often. Then he gets into an argument with waveofshadow who also picks up on his inconsistency in alignment on moosy. I can't see his reasoning for voting on sulfurous. Basically he said 2 things about sulfurous: On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. and On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him? I'd rather lynch you. Then kickstart says this which aligns with my own thinking. On June 13 2015 06:03 Kickstart wrote:
Went through geript's filter. His move off moosy and onto sulfurus was weird to me. He just said "id rather lynch you" in this thread, then voted in the other thread, and hasn't mentioned it at all. strange. This give me a townlean on kickstart. I still think bats is our best lynch for day 1, but geript has raised a red flag for me. I want to know why he's voting for sulfurus. Why does this just scream "save sulfurus" for some reason to me? It seems like he was preparing to look good for bussing Sulfurus, but left himself an out to vote for batsnacks if necessary, and then decided to join the Rels wagon when he had a chance. This feels rather scummy. Day 2 Voting Analysis + Show Spoiler +Along with Sulfurus, scott31337 voted for Kickstart to bring the wagons to Kickstart with five votes and Sulfurus with six. Despite this being close, it became clear that Sulfurus was going to be lynched, so scott31337 switched votes to Sulfurus. On June 17 2015 06:49 scott31337 wrote:
If Sulf is mafia then I'll look like shit
Trfel is my believer and WoS is my believer they want Sulf dead
Sulf isn't doing shit
Let's go Sulf then fuhq it
And he's well aware that Sulfurus flipping red makes him look bad. I think this is pretty obvious. Read Progression + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote:
Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now. He scumreads geript here, but uses the reason that geript is good at mafia to weaken his argument. As a result, he doesn't push this at all (and it would be hard to push geript, because he is a strong player). He also scumreads MoosyDoosy and batsnacks, back when MoosyDoosy was a very easy target and batsnacks was scumread by most people. On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. It makes no sense whatsoever for town!scott31337 to townread Rels for scumreading the person he replaced for his one post. Assuming that scott31337 is town, he townreads Rels for scumreading someone who scott31337 knows is town and was only able to make one (useless) post. There is no reason whatsoever that Rels should get a townread for this. To me, this feels like scott31337 is attempting to pocket Rels, which makes sense given that Rels would naturally be suspicious of him after the replacement. His explanation here adds that he townread Rels for strongly believing this case, but mafia!Rels has no reason NOT to push his case so strongly because he knows that Fake)Plants is town (thus an easy mislynch) and that he almost certainly won't provide strong resistance. On June 13 2015 02:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.
Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.
The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence. Wow moosy. I have to give you 5 stars for this read. It's like you're inside my head or something. I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on. You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube. I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do. From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent. They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto, often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person. I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon). Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town. This is Rexxar's best post. The goosebumps part sounds so legitimate and would be extremely creative to fake from the posts he made earlier. Slight town read Slight townread on ruXxar. Then he doesn't mention ruXxar for a while, until: On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -
Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats
Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart
Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar Including basically everyone who could be lynched today in the "Could Lynch" category. Again, note that he ends up voting for Rels, despite having included him in the "Probably wouldn't lynch today" category, the only reasons being sheeping me and this post: On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder. Finally, he's always saying he could lynch geript, without actually pushing it or doing anything about it. When the votes finally switched to geript, and scott31337 switched his own vote to geript, he didn't say anything whatsoever. I need to move on, I'm running out of time, but I'm pretty confident that scott31337 is mafia. OatsmasterDay 1 Reads + Show Spoiler +Day 1 Suspicions:batsnacksKickstartn00bKing (later votes) geriptSulfurus and geriptDamdredDay 1 TownreadsgeriptruXxarn00bKing RelsHe's really not offering townreads, and he's throwing a LOT of suspicion around. This isn't necessarily alignment indicative, as town!Oatsmaster loves to throw suspicion around. However, his stance on Sulfurus is very suspicious. On June 13 2015 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
if bats flips town, ill be going after sulfurus.
On June 13 2015 18:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would lynch geript if we don't lynch bats. Finally, the voting analysis of Day 1 looks suspicious. He was hard scumreading batsnacks for a very long time, and eventually the votes went to batsnacks at 6, and Sulfurus at 4. Then Rels unvoted, and it looked like the batsnacks wagon was going to collapse. Instead of waiting for Sulfurus (who he already said he would lynch after batsnacks), Oatsmaster stayed around and waited until it looked like there was a good chance of a geript wagon, and then voted geript and went to sleep. While he did townread Rels, he did this before the push on Rels began. This is Oatsmaster trying to save Sulfurus, but not looking bad if he flips. Kickstart batsnacks WaveofShadow Probably TownRels (despite Sulfurus association) MoosyDoosy Damdred Dunno (need to read his filters again) ruXxar Mafia LeanOatsmaster Mafiascott31337 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu1qa8N2ID0 So the first part, is when I townread Rels, I wrote what I meant incorrectly. I wasn't townreading him for calling out my replacement, I was townreading him even if he called out my replacement. I posted this a little bit later. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:56 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote:[spoiler] On June 12 2015 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway Trfel, what makes bats town?
I had a town lean on batsnacks due to the balance between his jokes and serious reads. Since then, batsnacks has been much more serious, and his jokes are few and far between, so this read isn't valid any more. On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
NAI is a new thing lol.
I kinda like ruxxar.
It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them.
He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO.
(bold added) So if he doesn't do it intentionally, then why is it towny? On June 12 2015 15:03 n00bKing wrote:
It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said.
You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player. This point about ruXxar continuing to press the lying issue is good. I guess I judged ruXxar too early. ##unvoteOn June 12 2015 16:35 Rels wrote:
Hello everybody, GL HF!
I'll read the thread now and comment on things. See you soon. I really don't like this post at all. Posting without having read the thread is useless, the only thing it helps with is making it look like you're doing more work that you actually are, and it detracts from scumhunting. But making a useless post after the investigation has already started is pathetic. On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent. Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this? On June 13 2015 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't decide now if I think geript and bats could be scum together for this horribleness. Association cases = bad but I can't help it and I THINK it's probably not the case. One of them at least for sure though.
I have no idea why someone as experienced as WaveofShadow would share a potential association case while in the same post acknowledging that association cases are bad. Please explain. On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. Why does calling out the player with only one post, who needs to get replaced, make someone town? Especially because, if you are town, he called out the easiest player to pick on who happens to be confirmed town. I really don't like batsnacks' response to the pressure on him. Batsnacks doesn't normally react like this, he's fine under pressure. In my first game playing with him, I tunneled him for basically all of Day 1 and Night 1, and he made a post telling people to stop arguing about useless things and read the case I had posted on him. I need to read some filters, but batsnacks seems very active, concerned about his safety, but not providing actual content. On June 13 2015 06:42 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 03:28 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what geripts alignment is... Clearly that guy is 3P. I don't know what 3P means either. Third party. Let me rephrase this since I see what you are saying but I didn't type that properly. Rels made a case on my replacement slot that he believed in, and caught Plants in a "lie" - I saw him a slight town read for believing in his case. I meant more of (even if he is calling out my replacement slot). For the vote, KS was looking a bit better, and yes I was a bit unsure. I only had about 20 minutes. I went with the right decision. I've been scumming Sulf for most of the game - I voted for him day 1 for a tie breaker. I admit, my vote was late and didn't swing what would happen anyway. It's also after sulf flipped I saw what might be coming "inb4 scott bussed sulfurus" - I didn't have much time. Moosy (our dead doctor) saw the above as well, including the vote.
Please help me understand what I missed so I can respond.
Is my Batsnacks / Damdred / Sulf theory tinfoil crazy?
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Ruxx is newb town
WoS is top town
Trfel is actually pushing me for reasons though unlike Batsnacks
KS is up there
Rels shit town rainbows day 2
Oats is still suspicious - but slightly better
Bats is pressing me for shit reasons - (but Trfel is actually pressing real information, etc.)
I re-read Bats and Damdred filters (WIFOM, but Boxer probably saw he was mafia again and wanted to be replaced) and they have weird "you'll be sorry" interactions and xoxos/etc.
We don't need another mislynch, so please, unlike Tunnelbats - ask me any questions that I can help answer. I've never bussed or had to bus - but people think I bus every fucking game no matter what my alignment is. Read my last game (Guardians)
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What do you think about Damdred?
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Trfel -
So to re-quote, here is my first post.
On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read.
So I make my first post at page 16 catching up with the thread - this is Rels last quote from that page - the timestamp is more important then the quote.
On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ?
So from those posts we see -
On June 12 2015 16:45 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:51 n00bKing wrote:On June 12 2015 08:45 batsnacks wrote:
5. Don't lie. RuXx is on the Newbie list. How likely do you think it is that an inexperienced Mafia player would lead off the game talking about how it's cool for Town players to lie? An inexperienced Mafia member might be timid about saying hardly anything, but could be especially timid about telling everyone that there's nothing wrong with telling lies, even if you're Town. That kind of reckless boldness is a little Town-indicative to me. Someone wants to vote against him because of his needless roleclaim, fine. But voting against him because he says it's fine to lie would be a stretch. And I think voting against him because he got caught answering a question directed at someone else (while explaining why you shouldn't answer questions directed at someone else) would be a stretch. Why are you defending him so early. Let him do it himself.
A calling out someone defense post on answering others questions -
Now that I re-read this post, it's funny how Rels points out a "case" when Sulfurus pointed out a two quote "case" I had myself - and KS did not have a case. (WIFOM such, but interesting to point out after re-reading)
On June 12 2015 16:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) @Sulfurus : what case ?
And this is the post he pointed out about my replacement -
On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:OK I finally found a mafia. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 14:01 Fake)Plants wrote:Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie. Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here! First post of his. Next to last to enter the thread. Just fluff on the first paragraph. What is really scum is the second paragraph. Two points: - He enter the thread late and feels he needs to post an excuse. To me, he had the mindset of entering the thread without saying anything, and apologizing so people like him. - His excuse is false. We all had to confirm yesterday, so that's not possible that he did not check TL the last couple of days, or that he believed that someone else took his spot.
Now I do not know what Fake was thinking here, but I saw honest points here - and the people at the time all had to confirm in (boxerfred too?) - this makes logical sense- especially from what I pointed up above now I missed.
I replaced out and Rels looks townie from the filter I've read so far - even if he thought my replacement looked bad from the confirmation earlier. That is why I made that post.
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Wave do you really think Bats is town? Him pushing me for very little reasons has me worried.
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On June 19 2015 15:35 ruXxar wrote:
Scott, your top scum reads right now are Damdred and bats.
I want to see you make a case against both, bring all the dirt you can find and fight for you life!
From the way you are posting I don't feel like you are even believing in your own words right now. Where is the passion, where is the anger inside you of being falsely accused of being mafia.
Either you show me that or you are toast.
Now you sound like Tunnelbats and making ultimatums. I almost was defending you but your point of view is scummy. I do not need to show anger and emotion to get my point across - AoE (appealing to emotion) is often a scummy trait - Bill Murray taught me that - and he's the scummiest player on TL. <3 BM
So what did you not like about my answers to Trfel's case?
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On June 19 2015 15:30 Trfel wrote:
Scott31337, I see your post and I'm pretty convinced you are mafia. Not going to argue with you about this any more.
I'm sorry you feel this way -
Who would you like to lynch tomorrow when I flip town?
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Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia
I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game.
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scott31337 (6): Trfel, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Kickstart, ruXxar
WoS is voting away from me - an intelligent one - ride or die basically with him
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Now I know how geript feels -and BS wanted him off before he could make intelligent decisions because he's a much better player then me.
OBS QT GIVE ME POWER TO SEE THE LIGHT
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On June 19 2015 17:00 Rels wrote:Scott's filter as mafia in newbie VIIIScott's filter as town in HGOK I still have the feeling that push is too easy, whatever happen. So I'm gonna read scott's filter in this current game, then I'll read the filters listed above. If I don't find anything that make me sure scott is mafia, I'll be cool to switch if my vote stay on that list: Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 19:18 Rels wrote:
So crossing the lists, these people has a good chance being mafia:
scott
ruxxar
Damdred
hsh
I see you linking my filters but not reaching to any conclusions - am I mafia?
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I just woke up and I told Ruxxar already about ongoing games earlier about me and KS and how it is against the rules to do so - and he talks about the above - and no Damdred reply?
On June 18 2015 07:46 scott31337 wrote:
The other game (Guardians) we played together Ruxx, it's against the rules to talk about ongoing games.
WTF man?!? Did you not read the OP or the game? My last game scum skated the rules and you make me upset how you do this...
So a newb guy unovted at the last minute in our last game and rode that "Town cred" to victory. You are not going to do the same, COME ON MAN.
On June 19 2015 20:24 Rels wrote:In the meantime can you answer these ? Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 17:22 Rels wrote:On June 14 2015 11:33 scott31337 wrote:Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): KickstartruXxar (0): TrfelKickstart (0): SulfurusSulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosyBatsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfelscott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): Relsgeript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337 Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, geript, scott11331373737373771317371373On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript On June 14 2015 06:13 Rels wrote:Yo everybody I'm super drunk so I'll post my thoughts and get back to party. From what I read I'm sure bs and sulfu are both town. Geript is not making sense and didn't answer my question. I think he's mafia so my vote is on the right place. Damdred stopped lurking and his posts seems townie to me. From the last post count I m happy to see that my two scumleads are voting for me and geript seems to be the lynch. Its my last post until tomorrow so take care everyone Rels - So Sulfurus made five posts between these two reads - a bad read post on Damdred, and a few posts about lynching Trfel. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=SulfurusSulf went from second on your lynch list to "sure town" - Can you inform me how you came to this reasoning? Do you want to lynch Trfel now as well? @scott: Why did you ask me that question ? Why did you have the feeling I wanted to lynch Trfel as well? Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 18:53 Rels wrote:
@Scott Did Damdred afk like that in Holy Gardians ?
In particular, did I ever afk 36 hours in a row ?
On June 19 2015 17:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 11:33 scott31337 wrote:Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): KickstartruXxar (0): TrfelKickstart (0): SulfurusSulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosyBatsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfelscott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): Relsgeript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337 Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, geript, scott11331373737373771317371373On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript On June 14 2015 06:13 Rels wrote:Yo everybody I'm super drunk so I'll post my thoughts and get back to party. From what I read I'm sure bs and sulfu are both town. Geript is not making sense and didn't answer my question. I think he's mafia so my vote is on the right place. Damdred stopped lurking and his posts seems townie to me. From the last post count I m happy to see that my two scumleads are voting for me and geript seems to be the lynch. Its my last post until tomorrow so take care everyone Rels - So Sulfurus made five posts between these two reads - a bad read post on Damdred, and a few posts about lynching Trfel. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=SulfurusSulf went from second on your lynch list to "sure town" - Can you inform me how you came to this reasoning? Do you want to lynch Trfel now as well? @scott: Why did you ask me that question ? Why did you have the feeling I wanted to lynch Trfel as well?
It was an association read question from filter diving - Your name was no where to be found. Does that make sense?
How do you feel about Trfel at this time, BTW?
On June 19 2015 18:53 Rels wrote:
@Scott Did Damdred afk like that in Holy Gardians ?
In particular, did I ever afk 36 hours in a row ?
Nawh, Damdred never AFK'ed for extended periods of time in Guardians he was always around within a reasonable time.
On June 19 2015 22:14 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 16:08 scott31337 wrote:
Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia
I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game.
I can't interpret this post any other way than you being mafia Scott. I'm sorry.
So do you want to lynch tomorrow when I flip town?
Rels - this question is for you too -
Actually any of the townies... Please answer...
On June 19 2015 22:30 batsnacks wrote:
is it too early for me to start flexing?
*bat-flex*
Are you going to lynch Damdred tomorrow or make up shit and find another mislynch? The question above is for you as well (unless you are not town, of course
On June 19 2015 23:05 Kickstart wrote:
So scot n oats still scummy to me. Only thing I want to note is if scott flips town I am going to have to have a look at bats and trfel for telling him to not talk to them because they aren't listening. I mean I think scott is scum too and trfel is like shitting town rainbows any time he decides to post but yeah.
Anything I missed answering for you KS? ^^^^^
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Don't get tunnel vision when I flip town - re-read the whole game - especially on Bats.
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On June 20 2015 00:21 batsnacks wrote:If scott flips town I'll lynch damdred/wave.
For what reasons? Now you want to add Wave in there now - I mentioned earlier how you would change your mind on Damdred.
Why would you want to lynch Damdred?
And now Wave?
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On June 20 2015 00:32 Rels wrote:@Scott Woud like to know the answer to that too. Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 22:14 ruXxar wrote:On June 19 2015 16:08 scott31337 wrote:
Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia
I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game.
I can't interpret this post any other way than you being mafia Scott. I'm sorry.
I replaced into Newbie Mini Mafia LX Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3 and Half the Sky carried us into that game - I posted a case and the town had no clue who to vote and GG'ed it out - flawless
Newbie Student Mafia VIII Mafia Godfather Survived Day 3 - Holyflare replaced into this and he's one of the most respected mafia players here I look up to - no mafia died 3-0 as well.
Newbie Student Mafia IX Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 - I woke up to a wagon on me but had a lot to do lynch day and only had about 30 minutes to post my thoughts - I was town but after my mislynch town got themselves figured out and lynched mafia. I won this game as well.
Newbie IX - My internet shit the bed and was partying the night before so I was unable to get to a wifi connection before I was already lynched - was RB - lost
Holy Guardians - I was town and we were pretty lost until Day 4 - I was voting on a town and town Damdred saved the say for wanting to change the lynch when if he was mafia it was all over - we lynched Mafia and the game was almost in the bag- just had to convince town VE - it didn't work but was my best town experienced game - lost
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EBWOP Newbie X not IX I was the Mafia RB.
And my signature is a reminder to myself and others about shitty wagons from Newbie IX - just like this one is going to be.
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On June 20 2015 00:51 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 00:47 scott31337 wrote:On June 20 2015 00:32 Rels wrote:@Scott Woud like to know the answer to that too. On June 19 2015 22:14 ruXxar wrote:On June 19 2015 16:08 scott31337 wrote:
Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia
I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game.
I can't interpret this post any other way than you being mafia Scott. I'm sorry. I replaced into Newbie Mini Mafia LX Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3 and Half the Sky carried us into that game - I posted a case and the town had no clue who to vote and GG'ed it out - flawless Newbie Student Mafia VIII Mafia Godfather Survived Day 3 - Holyflare replaced into this and he's one of the most respected mafia players here I look up to - no mafia died 3-0 as well. Newbie Student Mafia IX Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 - I woke up to a wagon on me but had a lot to do lynch day and only had about 30 minutes to post my thoughts - I was town but after my mislynch town got themselves figured out and lynched mafia. I won this game as well. Newbie IX - My internet shit the bed and was partying the night before so I was unable to get to a wifi connection before I was already lynched - was RB - lost Holy Guardians - I was town and we were pretty lost until Day 4 - I was voting on a town and town Damdred saved the say for wanting to change the lynch when if he was mafia it was all over - we lynched Mafia and the game was almost in the bag- just had to convince town VE - it didn't work but was my best town experienced game - lost That's not the question. Did you have a coach in newbie IX as town ?
I did but I had real life issues and was unable to use it.
Coaching QT: LoneMeow http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/vWGAAqtcjfQp
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Batsnacks / Damdred nowhere to be found - and we know how well a Scumslip worked for Bats.
BTW I'm VT so I have no claim to make either.
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