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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 21:56 GMT
#481
On June 13 2015 06:49 Trfel wrote:
Batsnacks, any thoughts on Rels?


He made a case on plants that wasn't optimal. I thought plants was scummy for the short duration he/she was in the game but the focus of Rels' case was the excuse plants gave, which was not the scummiest part of plant's post. That has been most of Rels contribution to the game.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 12 2015 21:56 GMT
#482
On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 12 2015 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway Trfel, what makes bats town?
I had a town lean on batsnacks due to the balance between his jokes and serious reads. Since then, batsnacks has been much more serious, and his jokes are few and far between, so this read isn't valid any more.

On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
NAI is a new thing lol.

I kinda like ruxxar.
It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them.

He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO.
(bold added)
So if he doesn't do it intentionally, then why is it towny?

On June 12 2015 15:03 n00bKing wrote:
It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said.

You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player.
This point about ruXxar continuing to press the lying issue is good. I guess I judged ruXxar too early.

##unvote

On June 12 2015 16:35 Rels wrote:
Hello everybody, GL HF!

I'll read the thread now and comment on things. See you soon.
I really don't like this post at all. Posting without having read the thread is useless, the only thing it helps with is making it look like you're doing more work that you actually are, and it detracts from scumhunting. But making a useless post after the investigation has already started is pathetic.

On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this?

On June 13 2015 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't decide now if I think geript and bats could be scum together for this horribleness. Association cases = bad but I can't help it and I THINK it's probably not the case. One of them at least for sure though.
I have no idea why someone as experienced as WaveofShadow would share a potential association case while in the same post acknowledging that association cases are bad. Please explain.

Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.

Let me catch up with the rest and a through read.
Why does calling out the player with only one post, who needs to get replaced, make someone town? Especially because, if you are town, he called out the easiest player to pick on who happens to be confirmed town.

I really don't like batsnacks' response to the pressure on him. Batsnacks doesn't normally react like this, he's fine under pressure. In my first game playing with him, I tunneled him for basically all of Day 1 and Night 1, and he made a post telling people to stop arguing about useless things and read the case I had posted on him.

I need to read some filters, but batsnacks seems very active, concerned about his safety, but not providing actual content.

Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 06:42 n00bKing wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:28 geript wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what geripts alignment is...

Clearly that guy is 3P.

I don't know what 3P means either.
Third party.


Let me rephrase this since I see what you are saying but I didn't type that properly. Rels made a case on my replacement slot that he believed in, and caught Plants in a "lie" - I saw him a slight town read for believing in his case. I meant more of (even if he is calling out my replacement slot).
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 12 2015 21:57 GMT
#483
It was noobking that said that right? he's probably town for it the more I think about it.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 21:57 GMT
#484
ebwop also Rels doesn't appear to have re-evaluated his plants read now that scott has replaced. If Rels is mafia that could be why.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 22:00 GMT
#485
On June 13 2015 06:56 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 12 2015 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway Trfel, what makes bats town?
I had a town lean on batsnacks due to the balance between his jokes and serious reads. Since then, batsnacks has been much more serious, and his jokes are few and far between, so this read isn't valid any more.

On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
NAI is a new thing lol.

I kinda like ruxxar.
It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them.

He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO.
(bold added)
So if he doesn't do it intentionally, then why is it towny?

On June 12 2015 15:03 n00bKing wrote:
It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said.

You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player.
This point about ruXxar continuing to press the lying issue is good. I guess I judged ruXxar too early.

##unvote

On June 12 2015 16:35 Rels wrote:
Hello everybody, GL HF!

I'll read the thread now and comment on things. See you soon.
I really don't like this post at all. Posting without having read the thread is useless, the only thing it helps with is making it look like you're doing more work that you actually are, and it detracts from scumhunting. But making a useless post after the investigation has already started is pathetic.

On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this?

On June 13 2015 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't decide now if I think geript and bats could be scum together for this horribleness. Association cases = bad but I can't help it and I THINK it's probably not the case. One of them at least for sure though.
I have no idea why someone as experienced as WaveofShadow would share a potential association case while in the same post acknowledging that association cases are bad. Please explain.

On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.

Let me catch up with the rest and a through read.
Why does calling out the player with only one post, who needs to get replaced, make someone town? Especially because, if you are town, he called out the easiest player to pick on who happens to be confirmed town.

I really don't like batsnacks' response to the pressure on him. Batsnacks doesn't normally react like this, he's fine under pressure. In my first game playing with him, I tunneled him for basically all of Day 1 and Night 1, and he made a post telling people to stop arguing about useless things and read the case I had posted on him.

I need to read some filters, but batsnacks seems very active, concerned about his safety, but not providing actual content.

On June 13 2015 06:42 n00bKing wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:28 geript wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what geripts alignment is...

Clearly that guy is 3P.

I don't know what 3P means either.
Third party.


Let me rephrase this since I see what you are saying but I didn't type that properly. Rels made a case on my replacement slot that he believed in, and caught Plants in a "lie" - I saw him a slight town read for believing in his case. I meant more of (even if he is calling out my replacement slot).


The "lie" is not alignment indicative I think. Plant's single generic advice/non-contribution post and then leaving is. It is hard to believe a townie begins the game by reading the thread, calling out a person for saying lying could be good (easiest call out ever), not drawing any conclusions what-so-ever and prompt leaving.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
June 12 2015 22:02 GMT
#486
On June 13 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:
What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me.

Here's would lynch:
3)MoosyDoosy
4)Sulfurus
7)Fake)Plants
2)batsnacks
3)Trfel


here's idk can't form opinion:
6)damdred
1)Rels
4)WaveofShadow
5)geript
5)ruXxar

Here's would not lynch:
2)n00bKing
1)Kickstart
6)Oatsmaster

So you are 4th on your own lynch list? lol If you have a PM saying you are Town, and still would be content to lynch yourself, I guess your posts must look REALLY scummy to you!

If I have any hesitation about seeing you lynched, it would be that I actually like how a lot (not all, but a lot) of your list shakes out, including your placement near the top.
batsnacks wrote: help me not get lynched. Thx

I would help! But some dude named batsnacks told me to let other players defend themselves. :D
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 12 2015 22:04 GMT
#487
wave
noob
oats
boxer/damdred
moose
kickstarter

at least one of trfel/Rels

that leaves us like
fake/scott
sulfurous
rux
batsnacks


Probably the best people to look at more are sulf/rux
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 12 2015 22:04 GMT
#488
Oats did have the vt claim read on rux. idk, Oats actually tends to have a weird accuracy on reads like that that I hate and think are awful though.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 22:05 GMT
#489
On June 13 2015 07:02 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:
What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me.

Here's would lynch:
3)MoosyDoosy
4)Sulfurus
7)Fake)Plants
2)batsnacks
3)Trfel


here's idk can't form opinion:
6)damdred
1)Rels
4)WaveofShadow
5)geript
5)ruXxar

Here's would not lynch:
2)n00bKing
1)Kickstart
6)Oatsmaster

So you are 4th on your own lynch list? lol If you have a PM saying you are Town, and still would be content to lynch yourself, I guess your posts must look REALLY scummy to you!

If I have any hesitation about seeing you lynched, it would be that I actually like how a lot (not all, but a lot) of your list shakes out, including your placement near the top.
Show nested quote +
batsnacks wrote: help me not get lynched. Thx

I would help! But some dude named batsnacks told me to let other players defend themselves. :D


They're not in any specific order and I made that list in like 30 seconds and yes I would lynch me I am one of the scummier players in the game, though historically I have only ever lynched myself as town so this is a point in my favor.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 12 2015 22:06 GMT
#490
Any who, I'm going out to dinner and have sexy time when my bff/fb gets back from the airport. So i'm not likely to be around until to morrow morning.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
June 12 2015 22:06 GMT
#491
On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case.

Wait, really? Just a few posts earlier, you were "wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus." Suddenly batsnacks drops so low in suspicion for you that you're asking him to help you by making a case against geript?
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 12 2015 22:11 GMT
#492
On June 13 2015 07:06 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case.

Wait, really? Just a few posts earlier, you were "wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus." Suddenly batsnacks drops so low in suspicion for you that you're asking him to help you by making a case against geript?

Um...where did I say I suspected batsnacks? I was always making a case against geript.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 22:13 GMT
#493
n00bking why are you still voting me is there something you're confused about or are you just too lazy to move your vote?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 12 2015 22:14 GMT
#494
Rels

1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff
+ Show Spoiler +
1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all.
2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all*
3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment)
4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird*
5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar*
6. Asks a question to Sulfurus*
7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments*

The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them.

Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants.
On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia.
And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little.

There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work.

2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target
+ Show Spoiler +
Fake)Plants only had one post.

Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening.

3. Townread on ruXxar
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.

So. What do you think of plants first and only post ?
Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post.

Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 12 2015 22:16 GMT
#495
Re everyone. Welcome Dam and scott then!

scott - I hated the only post of your predecessor, so I will probably push you super easily. Your posts atm are alright.

On June 13 2015 06:57 batsnacks wrote:
ebwop also Rels doesn't appear to have re-evaluated his plants read now that scott has replaced. If Rels is mafia that could be why.

Hard to be re-evaluating when not present.

On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote:
[...]
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this?
[...]

Don't know really, I just felt like this post would be super hard to fake.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 22:16 GMT
#496
On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:
Rels

1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff
+ Show Spoiler +
1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all.
2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all*
3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment)
4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird*
5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar*
6. Asks a question to Sulfurus*
7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments*

The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them.

Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants.
On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia.
And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little.

There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work.

2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target
+ Show Spoiler +
Fake)Plants only had one post.

Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening.

3. Townread on ruXxar
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.

So. What do you think of plants first and only post ?
Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post.

Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever.


4. Hasn't re-evaluated his read on plants now that scott has replaced, which one would think would be a high priority for him.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 12 2015 22:16 GMT
#497
Hmmmm I like trfel it's an odd feeling but it's there.

I'm at work so will sporadically give thoughts
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 12 2015 22:17 GMT
#498
That's actually pretty good
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 12 2015 22:19 GMT
#499
On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:
Rels

1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff
+ Show Spoiler +
1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all.
2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all*
3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment)
4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird*
5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar*
6. Asks a question to Sulfurus*
7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments*

The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them.

Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants.
On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia.
And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little.

There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work.

2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target
+ Show Spoiler +
Fake)Plants only had one post.

Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening.

3. Townread on ruXxar
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.

So. What do you think of plants first and only post ?
Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post.

Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever.


Oh hey good timing.

I really disagree on the easy target. I have no idea who is mafia between geript bat and moosy, if any. On the other hand the entrance post of plants was and still is super bad. And I don't care for IRL wifom, a lie is a lie.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
June 12 2015 22:21 GMT
#500
On June 13 2015 07:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 07:06 n00bKing wrote:
On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case.

Wait, really? Just a few posts earlier, you were "wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus." Suddenly batsnacks drops so low in suspicion for you that you're asking him to help you by making a case against geript?

Um...where did I say I suspected batsnacks? I was always making a case against geript.

The part I put in quotation marks should have been sufficient to jog your memory. I don't think you want to make a habit of forcing people to go back and dig up YOUR posts so that you can remember what YOU said.

The full post was:
On June 13 2015 05:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Either way, I'll doubt geript will be voted for this round. Right now I'm wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus. The thing is that Sulfurus has contributed little and some of his posts have been questionably empty.


And then just a few posts later, you are asking batsnacks to help you out by making a case against either Sulfurus or geript (when geript, who you say is the one you were "always making a case against", was unmentioned in your earlier post).
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