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On June 17 2015 09:02 Kickstart wrote:
Hmm. Surely not all 3 mafia were on me. I hate it when people use the "that is too obviously scum for them to be scum", but I mean holy shit all the people I was suspicious of stuck with the vote on me and most of my town reads went onto sulfurus. Game too ez and mafia done goofed in trying to lynch me so hard or???
In theory I could see it possible considering this team might be as newbie as geript supposed and cosnidering it looked like you were going down near the end. I mean considering the way Sulf played....
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Other than oats who looks bad, I think rels looks bad as well. He tried to stop the switch over to sulf and really wanted the lynch to remain on me. But I am looking at it from a skewed perspective so maybe others can give some input on this? Specifically his posts up to the lynch where he is pushing my wagon and tries to convince everyone that my case is 'shit' when it was in fact true at least in sulfs case, who I said should be the vote.
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On June 17 2015 09:14 ruXxar wrote:
Why do you think he wanted to stop the train on you so badly?
Who do you mean Oats? I think he tried to get some easy town cred for after my green flip. You ignore the fact that he did with me like he has done with all of his arguments this game. He went back on it and then his vote was on me end of day, so hard to argue that he tried to stop the wagon on me when he was on the fucking wagon lol.
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On June 17 2015 09:18 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 09:14 ruXxar wrote:
Why do you think he wanted to stop the train on you so badly? Who do you mean Oats? I think he tried to get some easy town cred for after my green flip. You ignore the fact that he did with me like he has done with all of his arguments this game. He went back on it and then his vote was on me end of day, so hard to argue that he tried to stop the wagon on me when he was on the fucking wagon lol.
Scott started the vote and you, and then oats twice said that he didn't like the train on you.
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On June 17 2015 09:16 Kickstart wrote:
Other than oats who looks bad, I think rels looks bad as well. He tried to stop the switch over to sulf and really wanted the lynch to remain on me. But I am looking at it from a skewed perspective so maybe others can give some input on this? Specifically his posts up to the lynch where he is pushing my wagon and tries to convince everyone that my case is 'shit' when it was in fact true at least in sulfs case, who I said should be the vote.
I'm going to have to do a reread because I've had Oats as town or leaning town for a while and Rels was looking to town to me as well. It'll have to be before end of night I guess.
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[QUOTEyou ]On June 17 2015 08:47 Kickstart wrote:[/B]
Here comes oats to do nothing but create chaos. Why don't you do something towny and hunt scum? Or will you not because you are scum and just took a huge blow in losing sulf? Like why would you come in after this really good lynch for town and first thing you say is "I dont think we should town read anyone based on this lynch", like LOL are you even serious. Now you look to be trying to create some world where I and sulfurus were scum buddies which is just too ridiculous to warrant me arguing against.
Oats like nothing you have done seems to be from a town point of view and then you come in with this bullshit after a good lynch for us. Like you are the only person in the world who would argue that no one looks townie from that flip.
Oats is such scum here. But also, its night phase you don't vote yet you nerds.[/QUOTE]
Guess you have never heard of bussing then.
Kickstart, if you are mafia, does it change all these town reads people are giving out?
Hypothetically.
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I really don't understand why everyone thinks rels is scummy because sulph flipped scum, can someone either explain or quote some shit
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@Oats
Again this idea you have that me and sulf are somehow scum buddies just doesnt make sense. We were at each other from minute one at the start of the game and I have had him as my top scum read since the beginning of the game and he has pushed to have me lynched likewise. I mean I guess it is POSSIBLE but definitely not the most likely explanation.
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So the idea that I just came in and bussed him doesn't hold up to the reality of what happened
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On June 17 2015 09:25 Kickstart wrote:
@Oats
Again this idea you have that me and sulf are somehow scum buddies just doesnt make sense. We were at each other from minute one at the start of the game and I have had him as my top scum read since the beginning of the game and he has pushed to have me lynched likewise. I mean I guess it is POSSIBLE but definitely not the most likely explanation.
This is the most important thing imo.
Usually the simplest explanation is correct.
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And still you saying that giving out town reads changes nothing is still wtf to me. How is having strong town reads not a good thing at this point??????????????? Oats if you are town you really are making no sense.
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From what I found on my filter hunts - a scumtell is that they do not interact with their fellow mafia, since they have their QT and do not want to put more suspicion on each other/etc.
Rexxar's interaction with Oats - 30 finds - one post
+ Show Spoiler +On June 16 2015 08:45 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it.
What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good.
or damdred.
What don't you like about it?
Has zero interaction with Oats - suspicious
There's a whole buttload of Rexxar's attempted interactions with Sulf - over 157
+ Show Spoiler [His post that Sulf is town] +On June 16 2015 00:46 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 23:21 ruXxar wrote:
Im changing my My read on sulfur to town.
I'll explain further when I get home. Oats's post on Ruxxar - 10 finds, two posts Likes Ruxx early + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
NAI is a new thing lol.
I kinda like ruxxar.
It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them.
He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO.
Here's my reasoning on sulfur: 1. Sulfur under pressure of getting lynched tries to accuse townread trfel of being mafia, and hard defends Rels. This play is so bad that I don't even think a bad mafia would make this play, but still it's possible. 2. After n00bking's epitaph where he recommended to lynch sulfur as #1, moosy went of the offensive. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. Moosy and kick then both HARD agree that I have to bus rels and sulfur as the only chance to clear my name. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum? Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:47 Kickstart wrote:On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum? Bussing is a known thing friend. That is why you are last in the line. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:42 ruXxar wrote:
Gaaah, my head hurts real bad right now.
I can't understand sulfurs logic at all.
Why would he defend rels so hard yet make such a terrible play to not become a lynch target.
It makes no sense to me.
His actions are so inconsistent.
On one hand he hard defends rel for god knows what reason,
Then he makes a terrible play that I don't think a mafia would do.
I want some second opinions in this. Sulfurus is just plain scum lol. He's trying to play like he usually does but the role of a Mafia teammate is interfering with his play. On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum? You have no choice but to agree looking at how everyone is voting against them and there's too much evidence against them. 3. I then push really hard on sulfur to get his thoughts on Rels. He STILL didn't want to change his view on Rels and vote for him. If he was mafia scum, and the #1 suspect by n00bking. Would he not also vote for rels to try to clear his name? Any sane mafia person would.4. If I were mafia together with with sulfur, and our only chance of winning was to bus Rels as the first lynch target, would I not instruct my mafia teammate to also vote on Rels? I can only conclude that Sulfurus is Town
+ Show Spoiler [Rexx's defense with Moosy about…] +On June 16 2015 05:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 02:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:First of all, I don't know if you're trying to accuse me of Mafia or trying to clear Sulfurus. It seems like you're doing both which doesn't matter in any case because I disagree with both. 1. Sulfurus is trying to bring Trfel under the light which is a huge mistake. It makes no sense in any way whatsoever. It's either a very bad play or a weak attempt as Mafia to avoid being lynched. There is actually no way to excuse this attempt. No mafia in my mind can be that stupid.
If it's a mafia playing to win he made 2 huge mistakes.
-He selected a terrible target as lynch target.
-He tied himself very closely to Rels, which people already suspected was mafia.
Sulfurus was already about to be voted out.
Then trelf accused rels and some people switched over.
If he was a mafia playing to win and he got lynched with the 5 votes he had at that point, then the immediate next target would've been rels.
If it wasn't for bats tell on geript, then town would've lynched sulfurus and then automatically we would've lynched rels next.
Why would he tie himself to Rels and not just let himself die in silence.
That is such a terrible play that I think no mafia would ever do.2. The reason I went on the offensive was to clarify n00bKing's suspicions that you might have been Mafia which you inadequately defended yourself on btw. - I first asked you whether you thought Rels and Sulfurus were scum. You said they were.I thought there was an association between Rels and sulfurus, moreso from Rels side than from Sulfurus side.
I already expressed why I evaluated that way here:
Post 1
Post 2
Which both batsnacks and you later sheeped in your arguments.
Bat
Moosy
Later I expressed my confusion about Sulfurus move, which I actually thought about before n00bking mentioned it, but I didn't tell anyone here about it.
Link
- I then pointed out that this might be a case of busing. You pretended or really didn't know what we were talking about.What I said is that your busing argument made no logical sense at all, considering that according to n00bking me rels and sulfur were already the top 3 suspects.
And you even said that I was the top lynch target.On June 15 2015 08:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:Busing means that you're sacrificing your Mafia teammate to buy more time for yourself to convince others that you're not Mafia. A good way to do this would be to play dumb or find someone else to lynch.  ruXxar, feel glad. Although n00bKing is probably rolling in his grave right now, the reason I wanted the order of lynching to be Rels, Sulfurus, and then you is because I still think that you could be a townie.If we had it completely n00bKing's way, you would be the first lynch. Which you only corrected after I pointed it out, which means you actually used that as your logic when you made that statement.On June 15 2015 08:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 08:13 ruXxar wrote:
I'm not buying that crap.
Nowhere does n00b say in his last post that he wants to lynch me first.
Please try again. First lynch after Sulfurus.* - I then pointed out that there's no reason for you to listen to Sulfurus's argument as you just said he was scum. For some reason, you kept on associating yourself with someone you said was scum and tried to listen to the basis of an argument that was unsound from the start. At this point you decided to leave and never replied.Why would you NOT want to hear people defend themselves? This is totally backwards logic and no town would say such a thing.
I also said I was going to sleep. How is that deciding to leave and never reply?
It was 3 am when i made that statement and I had to get up at 7.
On June 15 2015 10:19 ruXxar wrote:
I'm going to bed now and then to work in the morning.
I'll catch up with you all after that.
I hope that sulfur has answered my question by then or im going to be really disappointed.
- I won't even mention the fact that you're always following one wagon or another as I'm sure people will be able to look through your filter and see how you were always agreeing with almost every case out there.I was one of the first people to suspect bats, and I stuck to bats even after a lot of people changed votes.
I would've voted for bats 100% if he didn't pull his "patented bat trap™"
3. Both Sulfurus and Rels were under fire. If they immediately began attempting to bus each other, it would most certainly be an assertion that they were Mafia. The only thing that they can do at this point is try and defend each other the best that they can. This point is weak. Adressed this above4. No because both Sulfurus and Rels were primary suspects and are after n00bKing's post. The only reason why you would be able to get away with busing is because mostly everyone thought that you were town and it would be simplest for you to disassociate yourself from them. Which, I'd like to point out, you do by jumping on the n00bKing wagon immediately. Even now you're only revoking your argument because Rels is here and making a case for Sulfurus. I cast doubt on the votes on sulfurus as far back as Page 35 when noone else was.
On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:
I'm trying to figure out why people are scumreading sulfurus.
I read through his filter and I found nothing to make me read him as either alignment.
I don't see why you're so scared to make a stand for yourself and persist in wagoning off of other people's arguments.I've made my stand, you're next
Rex wants to be lynched if Sulf flips red, can we do this?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote:
If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.
I'm that confident in my read.
There's too many instances of his name, and he asks him a lot of questions... A little inconclusive here actually.
Sulfurus interacting with Oatsmater - 14 finds, 3 posts
Responds to Oats his townread of Ruxx/n00b
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 11:25 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) Are noobking and ruxx town then? I townread n00b because I liked his post on ruxx. I townread ruxx at the time but I want to take the time to digest Kick's latest post before giving another read on him. On June 13 2015 12:17 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.
Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.
If you don't think I scumread Bats I really do I was just hesitant before because I misread him last game but now I'm sure. Also now that your back what do you think of n00bs? I know that your were angry at him because he kept giving advice even though he is new but I think he has said a lot of good stuff since then.
And then he votes for Oatsmaster
+ Show Spoiler +On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:K I just realized that Oats is scummy. I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts) Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town. ##Vote: Oatsmaster On June 17 2015 06:52 Sulfurus wrote:
K before I die:
4 lynches
Oatsmaster
Kickstarter
Batsnacks
MoosyDoosy
If I don't get lynched: Scott31337
Top town
Rels
His last past could be all WIFOM, he was already toast by then - but his earlier one seems weird. Suspicious
Sulfurus interaction with Ruxxar - once, and very weird
So he says Ruxxar says Oats is mafia, but I just read his filter and it's not there.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 03:57 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 19:25 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:K I just realized that Oats is scummy. I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts) Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town. ##Vote: Oatsmaster What do you think about kickstart ? Sorry if I didn't make myself clear but this is the exact problem I was trying to fix. You see Oats is mafia but not the one you have been looking for because you guys have been too tunnel visioned on Kicks. Anyway I still think Kicks is mafia and will switch my vote to him to save a town but if there is a mafia we will lose to it will probably be Oats
Conc: Extremely suspicious
Oat's interactions with Ruxx - 10 finds, no interaction -
Goes from liking Ruxx to wanting to lynch him with no real conclusion -
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 21:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +Where is ruxxar? I'm about to hurt some feelings. Dude hasn't re-evaluated his read on me since the beginning of the day. Same with n00b. If either of you are town you are hurting your chances of winning by being so stubborn. On June 16 2015 10:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kickstart is pretty damn obviously town and him not doing anything doesn't really diminish his start. Like this is a super easy lynch for scum to push because Kickstart 's attitude sucks and a pretty predictable response will come.
Let's lynch ruxxar instead.
Conc: No interaction - Suspicious
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Who's the other two on your scum team Oats?
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On June 17 2015 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really don't understand why everyone thinks rels is scummy because sulph flipped scum, can someone either explain or quote some shit
Here's my thoughts.
People were voting on sulf day one.
Trfel makes a case on rel.
Sulf calls rels his best town read and sticks too it all game.
End of story.
I used to believe in the too obvious too be scum theory.
I don't anymore.
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Yeah the too obvious to be scum theory is terrible and lost me a game that was solved day1. Never again.
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Also if you look at the votes, not counting wave who actually took his vote off of sulfurus and onto me for a short time, I am the first vote onto sulfurus. So the idea that I bussed him for cred makes even less sense because I was the first one on him this day cycle and indeed the first one to say I was suspicious of him at the start of the game.
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So I actually went and looked through your filter instead of just making up shit.
You barely mention sulph at all day 1, you mention him like twice even though he's your supposed top scum read. And you weren't too bothered when we didn't want to lynch him.
Today, you just posted your opening vote post and then again, not mention him for almost the whole day. In fact, when you get attacked, you are focusing more on defending yourself and saying town will lose in as many was as possible than actually telling people to vote for a better lynch.
The next time you mention sulph is in your big list post, Nd for being your top scum read, you weirdly put him second in the list and put me first. At tthat point, it's either sulph or you so you don't have a choice.
In essence you are making your scum read on sulph seem a lot more involved than it really is. And sulph was scummy as shit day 1 so it's not in mafia's best interest to defend him.
You get no cred from your sulph push.
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Oats -
So I made this partially as a joke to Sulfurus since he called what I said earlier a case, but would you mind replying? I did take some time in it.
On June 17 2015 05:18 scott31337 wrote:Oatsmaster could be mafia Says he's VT in the first post (which is bad anyway, narrows down the blues) and then defends himself about his VT claim saying "Have you seen it done before?" (BTW, Onegu has done it before in XXX I believe) + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 10:26 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
Hi friends.
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
aaaaaaaaaaaaand I don't like Oats for now! (kidding, mostly)
##Vote: Oatsmaster
why would you do this. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide: - don't claim your role
- find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
- say why this 1 person is mafia
- do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.
1. Im vt. 2. Bats is mafia. 3. Chezinu rule. ##vote Bats On June 13 2015 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 21:55 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
But you dont want to convince me or Trfel?
Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia.
So that does not include fluff and defensive posts.
I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening. Im sure you read the most recent Ver game where he caught at least one mafia because of a bad opening post. Tell me, why did you vote for the vt claim? You think that mafia somehow claims vt in one of the first few posts? Have you see that happen before? Switches his read on Bats fairly easily, doesn't mention the reason for switching to geript - bails + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 01:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im going to sleep.
Lynch geript.
Wants to go after Moosy now, even though he only mentions a joke post about him and nothing else + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let's get moosy tmr On June 13 2015 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 01:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
##unvote
##vote moosygoosy So you're voting along with scum? Interesting. I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post. So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt? Dont like that at all. Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread. Geript too btw. I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop. I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against. But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose. And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster. Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself. You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you). LOL So you're not even assuming the same thing Geript apparently did? Geript at least seemed to assume Moosy was town shitposting at first which would make scum jump on for an easy mislynch, but you think he's scum and ALSO think scum would bus him right off the bat? That's fucking horrible. Dude, wtf would the Mafias do that for. Shouldn't they try and help each other? LOL this post. Oh man. I would feel so silly if moose is mafia. Throws out lynching me with no explanation - I and others ask about it but never replies - what happened to Moosy? + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
I quite like lynching Scot. Meta reason for calling Damdred scum - still doesn't explain the reasoning on me + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 15:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Damdred didn't call me town, he's scum.
Also that completely pointless list post that has more townreads than scum reads.
Sulph / damdred mafia.
Scott also maybe. Goes back to Damdred without reason except for the above? + Show Spoiler +On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it.
What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good.
or damdred.
Oats asks a lot of questions without followup Follows the bandwagon of the thread until KS wants to be lynched Shit reasons for wanting to lynch me and Damdred Unsure what direction he wants to go if he's town Oats could be mafia.
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Yea OK I don't agree with that trfel.
Hey Scott, why aren't you waiting for rel to flip before making a shitty association case?
Scum is in scott / kickstart / rux maybe, I remember something made him scummy, gotta check.
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