EPTOn September 04 2012 20:13 danbel1005 wrote:
OP: Should weed be legalized?
NO
OP: Should weed be legalized?
NO
what an awful post. whats your reason why?
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Canada36 Posts
what an awful post. whats your reason why? | ||
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r00ty
Germany1068 Posts
On September 05 2012 08:35 FrigolitH wrote: "This development can not only be attributed to decriminalisation but to a confluence of treatment and risk reduction policies.” It seems like actually treating the drug addicts also helped reduce the numbers. Kinda funny how you failed to mention that. Also, trying to overwhelm me with ad hominem won't prove your cause. Well... Actually they are "treated" atm as well aren't they? So what's your point? You know, at least other people in here back up their opinion. You don't. You still haven't brought up anything to backup your narrow minded and false assumptions and only read what you want to read. Because it cannot be repeated often enough: Watch "The Union". It's a bit infotainment style, but the facts can't be denied. If you are so right, you got nothing to fear, just check it out. There's some pretty smart people giving their thoughts (Havard Medical School profs, etc.) and they explain and back it up better than the average online gaming forum user. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of really good posts in here, but people like you just ignore them and start picking out posts you can argue with. If you keep doing that, back it up or stfu. Thanks. edit: damn it, also learn to quote -,- | ||
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Xenocryst
United States521 Posts
Weed as a gateway drug is a lie and utter fabrication. Did your friend Smoke? There is about a 66% chance that he did. Because tobacco is way more heavily associated with risky behavior than anything else. If you smoke chances are you drink/use other drugs. If you just drink there is a significantly lower chance that you also smoke, but almost all smokers drink. How else would you define a gateway drug? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19413111 Bullshit, this is a complete blanket statement, just because it isn't ALWAYS a gateway doesn't mean that it can't be. I've seen a lot of people use it as a gateway into worse things. Don't make blanket statements. | ||
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GnarlyArbitrage
575 Posts
On September 05 2012 10:35 superbarnie wrote: I say the government shouldn't try to control it since it makes it worse. However I believe that drug use of any kind including weed is really stupid and people who use drugs are low lifes that don't deserve to exist. It's funny because people with terminal illness smoke weed. Guess they are low lives who deserve their death sentence. You must also be a wonderful person in life. | ||
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NotAPro
Canada146 Posts
On September 05 2012 10:29 Xenocryst wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19413111 Bullshit, this is a complete blanket statement, just because it isn't ALWAYS a gateway doesn't mean that it can't be. I've seen a lot of people use it as a gateway into worse things. Don't make blanket statements. There's no such thing as a gateway drug. If there was it would be alcohol/tobacco. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On September 05 2012 10:35 superbarnie wrote: I say the government shouldn't try to control it since it makes it worse. However I believe that drug use of any kind including weed is really stupid and people who use drugs are low lifes that don't deserve to exist. That doesn't make you seem like a nutcase or anything :/ | ||
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
On September 05 2012 10:29 Xenocryst wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19413111 Bullshit, this is a complete blanket statement, just because it isn't ALWAYS a gateway doesn't mean that it can't be. I've seen a lot of people use it as a gateway into worse things. Don't make blanket statements. Alcohol and tobacco(followed MJ and pills) are the gateway drugs in a technical term. They are the most popular drugs around the world by far, easy to access, pretty cheap, and enjoyable. How many people have tried MJ before alcohol/cigs? I'm sure there are people out there, but it pales in comparison to how many people started with Alc/cigs. The "gateway drug" concept really should be called "people are bored and want to get f'd up", as that's the true reason for drug use. | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On September 05 2012 11:25 guN-viCe wrote: Alcohol and tobacco(followed MJ and pills) are the gateway drugs in a technical term. They are the most popular drugs around the world by far, easy to access, pretty cheap, and enjoyable. How many people have tried MJ before alcohol/cigs? I'm sure there are people out there, but it pales in comparison to how many people started with Alc/cigs. The "gateway drug" concept really should be called "people are bored and want to get f'd up", as that's the true reason for drug use. The crucial detail is that people who sell Marijuana also sell harder drugs (or that's what the fear is, I buy neither so I don't know). It makes sense - if I was a dealer and I make more money off of coke then I would push that product. This is to say that marijuana is a gateway drug because of it's illegality, but if it was in your local Safeway (That's a grocery store) as a legal product then they are not going to push cocaine because they can't/won't sell it. Some people may want to push themselves into using harder drugs after a lot of binge drinking, but it's is really going to be hard to find the appropriate sellers if you've never bought an illegal drug in your life (And I'm not saying all MJ dealers also sell harder drugs). Though you are free to dispute Marijuana being a "gateway drug" but doing so isn't going to do you a whole lot of good. Gateway drug is a concept - "It will lead you to harder drugs" - and it's based on people's subjective opinions and experiences. | ||
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
On September 05 2012 10:35 superbarnie wrote: I say the government shouldn't try to control it since it makes it worse. However I believe that drug use of any kind including weed is really stupid and people who use drugs are low lifes that don't deserve to exist. This is a faulty thought process. Here you are using black-and-white thinking and making sweeping generalizations about a topic. Sure, some people that do drugs are low-lifes. However, you must also appreciate that there is a % of drug-users who are good people doing good things. Furthermore, alcohol is a drug. Are you alleging that all alcohol users are low-lifes? They don't deserve to exist? Explain to us all how alcohol is better for society than MJ is. Did you see the graph from a study I posted that showed alcohol is the most harmful drug to society? This black-and-white thought process is illogical because you cannot place the entire population in to the category of "good person" or "bad person". IMO, rating a person would be on a scale of 1-10 not on a scale of 0 or 1. | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On September 05 2012 11:39 McFeser wrote: The crucial detail is that people who sell Marijuana also sell harder drugs (or that's what the fear is, I buy neither so I don't know). It makes sense - if I was a dealer and I make more money off of coke then I would push that product. This is to say that marijuana is a gateway drug because of it's illegality. Though you are free to dispute Marijuana being a "gateway drug" but doing so isn't going to do you a whole lot of good. Gateway drug is a concept - "It will lead you to harder drugs" - and it's based on people's subjective opinions and experiences. Its actually quite the opposite. Weed users are usually sort of prudes in the sense that they like things "natural" and "untainted". Many won't consider other drugs like cocaine or amphetamines because they see them as impure in some way. If anything, a weed dealer will turn you away from harder drugs. This is because those who deal hard drugs have no need for the pennies that weed makes by comparison. To quote a movie, "This is a Civic (holds up bag of weed), THIS is a Ferrari (holds up a bag of heroine). So Ferrari, Civic eeehhhh which one you gonna go for?". | ||
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r00ty
Germany1068 Posts
On September 05 2012 10:35 superbarnie wrote: I say the government shouldn't try to control it since it makes it worse. However I believe that drug use of any kind including weed is really stupid and people who use drugs are low lifes that don't deserve to exist. I keep the insults to myself and present: On September 05 2012 08:39 mynameisgreat11 wrote: 6 - Many professionals are marijuana users. The stereotype of a lazy fuck-up exists for smokers and non-smokers alike. Some notable smokers include Bill Gates, Rick Steves, Pablo Picasso, Steve Jobs, Carl Sagan, Stephen Jay Gould, Francis Crick, Andrew Weil, Kary Mullis, Oliver Sacks, Richard Feynman, and the list goes on and on if you care to look. Maybe you own all of them being the super successful uber human that you are, but somehow i don't think so... Also you sound like a nazi or a wannabe troll.  | ||
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
On September 05 2012 11:39 McFeser wrote: The crucial detail is that people who sell Marijuana also sell harder drugs (or that's what the fear is, I buy neither so I don't know). It makes sense - if I was a dealer and I make more money off of coke then I would push that product. This is to say that marijuana is a gateway drug because of it's illegality. Though you are free to dispute Marijuana being a "gateway drug" but doing so isn't going to do you a whole lot of good. Gateway drug is a concept - "It will lead you to harder drugs" - and it's based on people's subjective opinions and experiences. Based on personal experience and interaction with illicit markets, once one begins selling harder drugs at quantity, the hassle of carrying an inferior product in marijuana makes it's sale far less appealing and eventually nonexistent. Just imagine, if you can drive around with a relatively scentless tiny bag of 5g's worth of white powder and make 1000 dollars, why would one also carry a very smelly, very detectable 28g bag of weed and make only 50 bucks? It just doesn't happen. | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On September 05 2012 11:46 farvacola wrote: Based on personal experience and interaction with illicit markets, once one begins selling harder drugs at quantity, the hassle of carrying an inferior product in marijuana makes it's sale far less appealing and eventually nonexistent. Just imagine, if you can drive around with a relatively scentless tiny bag of 5g's worth of white powder and make 1000 dollars, why would one also carry a very smelly, very detectable 28g bag of weed and make only 50 bucks? It just doesn't happen. I didn't think about it like that. Yeah, I'll be the first to admit that I don't what the fuck I am talking about. I don't buy drugs. If you want to determine if MJ is a gateway drug I can think of an easy way to do it. It would be a lot of research but if you could look at the convictions made for selling MJ, then you could tell if those "criminals" also sold harder drugs by looking at if they were also prosecuted by for selling heroin or whatever. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:52 ElvisWayCool wrote: My friends and I are the exact opposite way with describing thoughts when we're high. We start talking, leaving out a ton of detail we just assume is common knowledge, then forget what we were talking about mid-sentence and just laugh. I really don't think weed would lead to a more productive society. But I also don't think tobacco or alcohol does either. I'm for legalization, but just so people can do what they want. Yeah, it might have some medical benefits, all the more reason to do it. But the negatives are there too: addiction is possible, laziness is pretty well correlated, and it can't be good for your lungs (I really don't think any smoke could be). It's kind of silly to say there's only good that can come from something, or only bad. Obviously everything has a good and a bad side, and in the case of marijuana, the good outweighs the bad. The key is alertness. Your brain chemistry is really funny. Everytime you focus, your occipital lobe feels that tension inside it. That tension is the transmission of neurons or nerve cells. Weed makes the transmission go at superhuman speed and thus make you think at faster rate. However at a certain point of intake, the transmission would be way out of your reach to control it. This leads to the user to trail off on certain topics, not staying in tasks, and become a coach potato. So the trick here is to control your intake at the appropriate amount that you sense alertness and euphoria but not so much so that it delves into indolence. I myself have experience myself lying in the bed, not willing to go out and just plain listen on to elctronica/techno music. Weed is an insane drug. It really depends on the person that uses it. You can totally achieve your optimal performance by getting 'high'. But you can also royally screw yourself up in the butthole for not respecting it properly. Mother nature is a bitch, tame it and leash it. Don't let it go astray. | ||
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
On September 05 2012 11:39 McFeser wrote: The crucial detail is that people who sell Marijuana also sell harder drugs (or that's what the fear is, I buy neither so I don't know). It makes sense - if I was a dealer and I make more money off of coke then I would push that product. This is to say that marijuana is a gateway drug because of it's illegality, but if it was in your local Safeway (That's a grocery store) as a legal product then they are not going to push cocaine because they can't/won't sell it. Some people may want to push themselves into using harder drugs after a lot of binge drinking, but it's is really going to be hard to find the appropriate sellers if you've never bought an illegal drug in your life (And I'm not saying all MJ dealers also sell harder drugs). Though you are free to dispute Marijuana being a "gateway drug" but doing so isn't going to do you a whole lot of good. Gateway drug is a concept - "It will lead you to harder drugs" - and it's based on people's subjective opinions and experiences. The crucial detail of your crucial detail is that marijuana is illegal and therefore in the hands of scary drug-dealers. If it was legal, we would be getting A+ weed from a reputable business at great prices at the drop of a dime with no repercussion, similar to alcohol(people with green cards already get this). All of the dealers I've known have just sold weed. Rarely shrooms/vicodin. Nothing else. Maybe I'm sheltered. To your last point, any mind-altering substance is a "gateway drug" because it opens that Pandora's box of instant pleasure. Naturally that piques people's curiosity. The first time someone takes a drink or takes a puff, they are already at the "gate". They went there themselves, and if they continue on, it's of their own free will. | ||
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/05/study-the-gateway-drug-is-alcohol-not-marijuana/ seniors in high school who had consumed alcohol at least once in their lives “were 13 times more likely to use cigarettes, 16 times more likely to use marijuana and other narcotics, and 13 times more likely to use cocaine.” | ||
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r00ty
Germany1068 Posts
On September 05 2012 12:04 guN-viCe wrote: Just stumbled upon this: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/05/study-the-gateway-drug-is-alcohol-not-marijuana/ To me that just shows what a stupid term "gateway drug" is. To put it really simple: People go for the drugs because they want to. Period. | ||
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mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
On September 05 2012 11:45 r00ty wrote: I keep the insults to myself and present: Maybe you own all of them being the super successful uber human that you are, but somehow i don't think so... Also you sound like a nazi or a wannabe troll. I don't understand you. I am pointing out that many intelligent and successful people smoke pot. | ||
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r00ty
Germany1068 Posts
On September 05 2012 12:15 mynameisgreat11 wrote: I don't understand you. I am pointing out that many intelligent and successful people smoke pot. I just quoted your post to counter his rediculous post. And everything i wrote was directed at superbarnie. | ||
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