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mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
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Elegance
Canada917 Posts
As for the whole unhealthy issue and what not... caffeine, tobacco and alcohol are legal. all of which are more unhealthy than MJ. Its just corporations lobbying the government (god i fucking hate this) so that it doesnt get legalized. And obviously there are a lot of other benefits like paper and shit (and the benefit here is a much bigger scale) | ||
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Cuh
United States403 Posts
On September 05 2012 11:44 guN-viCe wrote: This is a faulty thought process. Here you are using black-and-white thinking and making sweeping generalizations about a topic. Sure, some people that do drugs are low-lifes. However, you must also appreciate that there is a % of drug-users who are good people doing good things. Furthermore, alcohol is a drug. Are you alleging that all alcohol users are low-lifes? They don't deserve to exist? Explain to us all how alcohol is better for society than MJ is. Did you see the graph from a study I posted that showed alcohol is the most harmful drug to society? This black-and-white thought process is illogical because you cannot place the entire population in to the category of "good person" or "bad person". IMO, rating a person would be on a scale of 1-10 not on a scale of 0 or 1. still waiting for superbarnie to answer these questions | ||
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r00ty
Germany1057 Posts
On September 05 2012 12:24 mynameisgreat11 wrote: Ooohhh. My bad. No worries mate, we're on the same side.  On September 05 2012 12:27 Elegance wrote: Everyone who wants to smoke pot does it in once they get to college anyways, people who don't won't. Simple. So instead of making people acquire the goods in a shady way (which leads to them acquiring other more potent drugs because these shady people prolly sell them/have contacts), sell them at convenience stores or something man (who are less likely to carry cocaine). As for the whole unhealthy issue and what not... caffeine, tobacco and alcohol are legal. all of which are more unhealthy than MJ. Its just corporations lobbying the government (god i fucking hate this) so that it doesnt get legalized. And obviously there are a lot of other benefits like paper and shit (and the benefit here is a much bigger scale) That leads to another question. THC free hemp is around for ages. It's still forbidden in the whole western world (correct me if i'm wrong, i just know of experiments in a couple of countries, France e.g.). It may not be the ultimate solution to many of our ecological problems, but it definately could play a big role. Why isn't it? I'm not a huge fan of conspiracy theories and going that way will not help the cause, but i challenge everybody to present me a single reason why THC free hemp is illegal. That's insane. | ||
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swilson154
United States18 Posts
On September 05 2012 08:48 mRpolite wrote: it is not even possible on a medical science level to determine the level of thc it takes to kill a living being no matter how hard they tried they never reached it with animals swallow 5 aspirins and call 911 :D I think they actually calculated how much it would take to kill someone. some obscene number of pounds, basically like saying you'd explode from eating 40 cakes. You'd certainly pass before consuming even remotely close to what it would take to kill you. | ||
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swilson154
United States18 Posts
On September 05 2012 10:35 superbarnie wrote: I say the government shouldn't try to control it since it makes it worse. However I believe that drug use of any kind including weed is really stupid and people who use drugs are low lifes that don't deserve to exist. If you aren't trolling, and actually believe that... well then you should reconsider your entire philosophy on life because you sir are fucked up. | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
On September 02 2012 11:15 iiGreetings wrote: Well recently they proved that smoking weed under the age of 18 frequently dropped kids IQ later in life by 8 points. Was a huge study... But honestly, I smoke lots of weed on and off and it has it's benefits and deficits. I think it takes someone with proper mental health to be able to manage themselves/pace themselves and not blaze all day everyday and smoke your life away. Love to see were this discussion goes. This is very true. I never touched weed, untill 6 months ago. I smoked pretty regularly, trying to find my own way on doing it in a way that was right for me. I had problems with my imagination going bananas, and found it harder to concentrate on my job (programmer). Yes even if I restricted it to only friday-saturday. I guess its very good if you can use all this imagination to something. I have completely stopped now, and tbh, I have a much better time. Weed is for special occasions for me now, like certain holidays if I am with the right group of people. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
On September 05 2012 10:35 superbarnie wrote: I say the government shouldn't try to control it since it makes it worse. However I believe that drug use of any kind including weed is really stupid and people who use drugs are low lifes that don't deserve to exist. With all due respect who the f*** do u think u ar man to say something like ppl who use drugs are low lifes that don't deserve to exist...the only "low life" i see here is u bro for having such a poor mindset on the situation and on ppl that are involved in it. I hope ur 12...cause i just can't imagine an adult with this kind of mindset. | ||
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mahO
France274 Posts
On September 02 2012 11:17 Coriolis wrote: Tbh I think people are too fucking stupid to handle drugs of pretty much any kind. Unfortunately once it becomes legal making something illegal doesn't do any good (ex: prohibition), and sure plenty of people can smoke it illegally but they at least have to go through some effort. But I'm in the minority and all the arguments favor legal weed (tax money, government shouldn't control what people do, etc) but I still think the majority is too stupid to handle weed. Hell they can't even handle alcohol. Ahahaha I finally find someone who thinks exactly the same, I smoke weed from time to time, I'm not against it, I know a shitload of people who live a really healthy life, important jobs, while smoking weed almost every day. I cannot find anyone who can do the same while drinking heavily every day. Weed is still "impactful", and it is, for some people, addictive, so yeah, people wont handle it properly, I mean in France for example I think the numbers of people getting addicted and starting smoking all day and isolated would get so fucking high, if it was legalized, because like he said, the ones who smoke illegally at the moment have to find a dealer, and it's not that easy if you dont have one in your entourage etc. I dont see a 35 years old depressed woman, go out in the streets and look for a dealer, but if it was legal, she would get weed, and she would abuse it etc. Weed in itself is fine compared to alcohol, but a lot of people lives would be impacted by a legalisation imho | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
On September 05 2012 16:18 mahO wrote: Ahahaha I finally find someone who thinks exactly the same, I smoke weed from time to time, I'm not against it, I know a shitload of people who live a really healthy life, important jobs, while smoking weed almost every day. I cannot find anyone who can do the same while drinking heavily every day. Weed is still "impactful", and it is, for some people, addictive, so yeah, people wont handle it properly, I mean in France for example I think the numbers of people getting addicted and starting smoking all day and isolated would get so fucking high, if it was legalized, because like he said, the ones who smoke illegally at the moment have to find a dealer, and it's not that easy if you dont have one in your entourage etc. I dont see a 35 years old depressed woman, go out in the streets and look for a dealer, but if it was legal, she would get weed, and she would abuse it etc. Weed in itself is fine compared to alcohol, but a lot of people lives would be impacted by a legalisation imho Question is, what is worse. Having some depressed woman finding weed in her local store, getting addicted for a period of her life, or us normals funding criminals who hire people often at the age of 16-20 (in my country)? I would say the woman of age 35 maybe have life experience to get out if it, while young people dont have this experience, and they get weed now anyway. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On September 04 2012 13:38 DigiGnar wrote: If weed became legal, do you think US citizens will buy from a street dealer or a regulated shop that has a paper trail for where it buys the product from? Tell me, how is losing a multi-million dollar industry not going to hurt in the slightest? Remember, one of these guys got on the Forbes list. its not multi million try multi trillion if not more | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
However, in current society, especially in the USA, marijuana will NEVER be legalised. This is because it cannot be patented and can be grown in anyone's backyard. The pharmaceutical companies will fight tooth and nail by mass media propaganda and through contributions to politicians' campaign funds (a.k.a democratic bribery). | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6261 Posts
On September 05 2012 12:39 r00ty wrote: No worries mate, we're on the same side. That leads to another question. THC free hemp is around for ages. It's still forbidden in the whole western world (correct me if i'm wrong, i just know of experiments in a couple of countries, France e.g.). It may not be the ultimate solution to many of our ecological problems, but it definately could play a big role. Why isn't it? I'm not a huge fan of conspiracy theories and going that way will not help the cause, but i challenge everybody to present me a single reason why THC free hemp is illegal. That's insane. Spain, France and Ireland and Japan if you count it as the western world. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
On September 05 2012 12:39 r00ty wrote: No worries mate, we're on the same side. That leads to another question. THC free hemp is around for ages. It's still forbidden in the whole western world (correct me if i'm wrong, i just know of experiments in a couple of countries, France e.g.). It may not be the ultimate solution to many of our ecological problems, but it definately could play a big role. Why isn't it? I'm not a huge fan of conspiracy theories and going that way will not help the cause, but i challenge everybody to present me a single reason why THC free hemp is illegal. That's insane. I have no clue why thc free hemp is illegal but its definatly not because of some conspiracy. No smoker would want to buy thc free hemp annyway lol. Agree with poster above btw, they should make tobacco illegal also. It only has high costs for society and no single benefit for the individual user. (from weed you at least get a nice feeling, smoking tobacco gives you absolutely nothing besides supressing withdraw effects) | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On September 05 2012 12:29 Cuh wrote: still waiting for superbarnie to answer these questions I would be surprised if he was above 16, shocked if he is above 21. Its easy to make these statements from a infantile and ignorant mindset | ||
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r00ty
Germany1057 Posts
On September 05 2012 22:59 Rassy wrote: I have no clue why thc free hemp is illegal but its definatly not because of some conspiracy. No smoker would want to buy thc free hemp annyway lol. Agree with poster above btw, they should make tobacco illegal also. It only has high costs for society and no single benefit for the individual user. (from weed you at least get a nice feeling, smoking tobacco gives you absolutely nothing besides supressing withdraw effects) THC free hemp is of course not for smokers. Let me explain by quoting Wikipedia: In modern times hemp is used for industrial purposes including paper, textiles, clothing, biodegradable plastics, construction (as with Hemcrete and insulation), body products, health food and bio-fuel. Hemp is very environmentally friendly as it requires few pesticides and no herbicides. Hemp is one of the faster growing biomasses known,[7] producing up to 25 tonnes of dry matter per hectare per year. It's one of the, if not the most versatile plants known to man. Without any sort of genetic engineering. It's been around and used by mankind since like FOREVER. Those are 100% accepted and proven facts. So it's an absolutely harmless plant with tons of uses, which also has the potential to bring some changes to the agricultural industry for good. The cotton industry*** and agricultural companies wouldn't like that though. Monsanto e.g.: You cannot patent a plant and therefore there's no money in it and on top hemp would hurt the sale of their products. Hemp has the potential to replace their products in a lot of areas and doesn't need their pesticides. Well just a bit, but the plants that are used atm (corn, genetically engineered soy beans, etc.) are a real cash cow for them. The US government treats hemp and marijuana like it's the same though and pharma/agricultural lobby groups will do anything to keep it that way. It's all about the money. edit: That's what i mean with conspiracy. In my personal opinion, lobbyism is just a nicer word for corruption. *** Conventionally grown cotton uses more insecticides than any other single crop and epitomizes the worst effects of chemically dependent agriculture. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On September 05 2012 22:59 Rassy wrote: I have no clue why thc free hemp is illegal but its definatly not because of some conspiracy. No smoker would want to buy thc free hemp annyway lol. Agree with poster above btw, they should make tobacco illegal also. It only has high costs for society and no single benefit for the individual user. (from weed you at least get a nice feeling, smoking tobacco gives you absolutely nothing besides supressing withdraw effects) Its only a "conspiracy" because of how much people want to believe the crap they have been told Here are some facts: Weed and economy Weed has always been the biggest cash crop around the world, everyone who had knowledge and access to it, planted it, in fact, antropologists believe it was the first large scale farms were hemp farms, around 8000 bc in the middle east. It was easy to grow, and required little in the way of supplies, its a crop with durability and adaptation to almost all earthly climates, (antropologists found vestiges of weed and pipes from shamans in the urals more than 10000 years ago)! Aside from the obvious smoking component of the females, you can harvest their cloth to make scrolls, clothes, ropes and ship sails (and their ropes), It was essential for the development of mankind, and has been with us for as long as drinking rotten liquids to get high, and it made possible things like the USA because what would you use for sails back then ? Cotton ? Leather ? Silk ? Nothing was as cheap, reliable and widespread, besides almost all other fabric were tried and they simply were not as resistant to sea travel. Nowdays in 2012, there are more than 250 thousand subproducts that can be made out of weed, here are some of the most important: Plastic - Made out of hemp, just as good as the one made from oil, but bio degradable Textile Fiber - As said above, the strongest existing fiber before nylon, doesnt get mold like cotton Paper - Cheaper and more ecological to make, and just as good as the tree made Etanol (Biofuels) - It is more ecological, and more efficient than both corn and sugar cane ethanol. Food - The seeds can be eaten, are way more nutritive than soy beans and doesnt contain THC Supplements - A ton of vitamins and proteins can be made from weed Medicine - Endless potential aplications, from anxyolitics, to pain supressors, to appetite enhancers etc... Farm food - The seeds can be grinded and be made into food for a big variety of animals With the right conditions you can have 3 or more crops per year, supplying something that is well, overwhelmingly usefull for our society, why, oh why would this be banned if it is true ? Its all because a small group of people with a lot of power saw a chance, the USA were always on the puritan side on the turn of the 19th century and beggining of the 20th, story seems to suggest it started when nylon was discovered, once the superior product was avaible, he felt need to ban the means to get the alternative as a way to ensure profit. Weed was such a ridiculous cash crop, that wealthy man from many other businesses were interested in pushing it away from the market, so they would have monopoly over all these things i have mentioned above. ´The main thing about weed being forbiden as an industry, is that it was worth more than twice the second most profitable crop, which meant, it was an excelent way out of poverty, all around the world people could plant it and sell its different parts as they wanted and make decent money, poor farmers all around the world had it as a definite go to, if you want to make some serious buck. And it was taken away from them, small scale agriculture never recovered. | ||
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r00ty
Germany1057 Posts
On September 05 2012 23:51 D10 wrote: Its only a "conspiracy" because of how much people want to believe the crap they have been told "Conspiracy" is maybe the wrong word. Sorry for that. But do you disagree, that pharma and agricultural companies try to influence government policy concerning legalization? Also it's not some "crap i've been told". It's the logical consequence of the lobbyism system in the modern world. If you think they don't play a role, you're naive. http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/03/monsanto-is-a-lobbying-powerhouse/#.UEdpwaPoHDE edit: I don't know man, we basically have 100% the same opinion on this one, but you're talking of "crap i've been told". | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
"Political leaders and public figures should have the courage to articulate publicly what many of them acknowledge privately: that the evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates that repressive strategies will not solve the drug problem, and that the war on drugs has not, and cannot, be won," the report said. Instead of punishing users who the report says "do no harm to others," the commission argues that governments should end criminalisation of drug use, experiment with legal models that would undermine organised crime syndicates and offer health and treatment services for drug-users. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13624303 If you think you're smarter than him, you're not. and you should educate yourself on the subject. | ||
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