EPTShould weed be legalized? - Page 54
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blinken
Canada368 Posts
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Deleted User 255289
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On September 05 2012 10:46 DigiGnar wrote: It's funny because people with terminal illness smoke weed. Guess they are low lives who deserve their death sentence. You must also be a wonderful person in life. Maybe I should make it more precise. I say the government shouldn't try to control weed because it is likely to make the situation worse then it already is. However I believe that the use of any kind of harmful drug including weed for recreational purposes is an idiotic idea and people who engage in such behavior are can be also described as such because they continue to do so even as it becomes obvious how badly they are squandering their [few] resources. | ||
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Deleted User 255289
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On September 06 2012 00:29 Nizaris wrote: tobacco industry also lobbies against legalization because they think it would eat their market share. big oil also since it can be used as a bio fuel, the private prisons also lobby against legalization. if they legalize it prisons won't be overflowing anymore -> less profit. the christians because some old book said it wasn't 'right'. If by old book you meant the Bible, the Bible does not say anything about the recreational use of marijuana. | ||
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cinnabun
United States16 Posts
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
On September 06 2012 14:48 cinnabun wrote: Never, it promotes a culture of failure and inactivity at a time when we have a crushing lack of intellectual capital and a severe obesity epidemic. The taxes we would take in from regulating it as a legal product would be offset tenfold by the increasing medical treatments we would dish out as weed does, in fact, allow for massive amounts of particulate matter and hot air to rush into your lungs every time you smoke. This does cause diseases, and that it does not or has not been shown to cause cancer is not reason enough. The weed as a gateway drug argument is both unsound and unnecessary, there are more than enough reasons not to legalize it. And yes, I have tried it and many other substances in my time. I am just lucky that I didn't stick with it and become an underachieving loser like most of the people I went to school with who did pick it up. If you want to smoke weed, continue to do it, but I would hope for the rest of our sakes that you would do it somewhere where it is legal, and I hope against hope that that is never the United States of America. I respect your experience, and I may seen similar experience regarding seeing many people who uses it in a way that causes them to be overwhelmingly lazy. I see that this is a problem, and what bothers me, is that it is these people who causes weed such a bad name. I tell them this to their face. Using it in good friendship at a good occasion, I dont see anything wrong with. What about those who uses weed good, like those who uses alcohol good? Also, I would rather have one of my family member be dependend on weed, then being an alcoholic. But yes, it affects me when people uses weed too much and become lazy "dumbasses". But I think, that if it wasn't for weed, they would pick up the bottle, sadly :s If my suspicion is right, I am happy they are hitting the bong, and not the bottle. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On September 06 2012 13:30 superbarnie wrote: Maybe I should make it more precise. I say the government shouldn't try to control weed because it is likely to make the situation worse then it already is. However I believe that the use of any kind of harmful drug including weed for recreational purposes is an idiotic idea and people who engage in such behavior are can be also described as such because they continue to do so even as it becomes obvious how badly they are squandering their [few] resources. So you don't consume alcohol, caffeine or nicotine? Alcohol and cigarettes are more expensive here than weed if you are using a vaporizer. On September 06 2012 14:48 cinnabun wrote: Never, it promotes a culture of failure and inactivity at a time when we have a crushing lack of intellectual capital and a severe obesity epidemic. The taxes we would take in from regulating it as a legal product would be offset tenfold by the increasing medical treatments we would dish out as weed does, in fact, allow for massive amounts of particulate matter and hot air to rush into your lungs every time you smoke. This does cause diseases, and that it does not or has not been shown to cause cancer is not reason enough. The weed as a gateway drug argument is both unsound and unnecessary, there are more than enough reasons not to legalize it. And yes, I have tried it and many other substances in my time. I am just lucky that I didn't stick with it and become an underachieving loser like most of the people I went to school with who did pick it up. If you want to smoke weed, continue to do it, but I would hope for the rest of our sakes that you would do it somewhere where it is legal, and I hope against hope that that is never the United States of America. Not true if you use a vaporizer. There is no smoke or long term harmful effects. You can get addicted, although the addiction is not even as strong as caffeine. You don't actually get addicted to the THC as much so as the experience, its kinda like wanting to drink alcohol because it makes parties more exciting if that makes any sense. For some reason its like if you can't stop yourself from drinking at a party, you are not addicted, you just like alcohol, but if its weed you are "addicted". You can also get mild anxiety after about the second day of abstaining after frequent long sessions (a non-issue as you have to have a lot more than what people normally take), but it starts to get predictable so it doesn't affect you after a while and the episode only lasts about half an hour and then goes away, but at that point its also quite easy to quit about day after that as the addiction is always only short-term. | ||
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
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gosuMalicE
Canada676 Posts
On September 06 2012 13:30 superbarnie wrote: Maybe I should make it more precise. I say the government shouldn't try to control weed because it is likely to make the situation worse then it already is. However I believe that the use of any kind of harmful drug including weed for recreational purposes is an idiotic idea and people who engage in such behavior are can be also described as such because they continue to do so even as it becomes obvious how badly they are squandering their [few] resources. Except that weed isn't a harmful drug, at all. | ||
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Poltergeist-
Sweden336 Posts
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gosuMalicE
Canada676 Posts
On September 06 2012 18:22 Poltergeist- wrote: The biggest reason I see for weed not being legalized is that somewhere there must be a line drawn. Obviously we can't let the world's people turn into a bunch of drug addicts. Now I am not very familiar with the drug world but I feel that someone who smokes weed has a much higher chance of getting into heavier drugs which truly mess people up. What gives government the right to decide what people put into their bodies? If someone wants to indulge in amphetamines/opiates to the point where their life is in shambles than that should be their decision to make. | ||
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Poltergeist-
Sweden336 Posts
On September 06 2012 18:42 gosuMalicE wrote: What gives government the right to decide what people put into their bodies? If someone wants to indulge in amphetamines/opiates to the point where their life is in shambles than that should be their decision to make. While I can certainly see where you are coming from and partially agree with that, I don't wanna live in a world where I see drug addicts laying on the street and can't do a thing. Now I don't really know how likely it is that it would get out of control but I don't know if it's worth the risk... | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On September 06 2012 18:49 Poltergeist- wrote: While I can certainly see where you are coming from and partially agree with that, I don't wanna live in a world where I see drug addicts laying on the street and can't do a thing. Now I don't really know how likely it is that it would get out of control but I don't know if it's worth the risk... even if that was the case how it any different than today, you already live in a world like that. You see drunk ppl everywhere laying on the street not doing a thing, besides beating each other up. If you have to draw line, at least make it coherent. Wan to ban weed? than ban alcohol. otherwise allow both. none of this politically motivated half measure bs. Or even better ban alcohol since it's proved it's toxic and allow weed until some1 actually proves it's dangerous. The only reasonable solution is to ban neither, since regardless if it's allowed or not ppl will do w/e the hell they want. At least that way you're not financing drug cartels and making ppl smoke shady shit off some shady dealer. | ||
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Poltergeist-
Sweden336 Posts
On September 06 2012 20:09 Nizaris wrote: even if that was the case how it any different than today, you already live in a world like that. You see drunk ppl everywhere laying on the street not doing a thing, besides beating each other up. If you have to draw line, at least make it coherent. Wan to ban weed? than ban alcohol. otherwise allow both. none of this politically motivated half measure bs. Or even better ban alcohol since it's proved it's toxic and allow weed until some1 actually proves it's dangerous. Call me crazy but I couldn't care less if alcohol was banned. If people stopped drinking it we would have a better world. As you may know though, they tried banning alcohol in the US some years ago but it wasn't successful. Presumably too many people were alcoholics and they found other ways to get it. I feel that allowing drugs into the mix just makes matters worse than it already is. | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On September 06 2012 20:16 Poltergeist- wrote: Call me crazy but I couldn't care less if alcohol was banned. If people stopped drinking it we would have a better world. As you may know though, they tried banning alcohol in the US some years ago but it wasn't successful. Presumably too many people were alcoholics and they found other ways to get it. I feel that allowing drugs into the mix just makes matters worse than it already is. i'm very aware that prohibition was a failure. What makes you think weed prohibition is any different? Not enough ppl addicted ? that's not even a reason. i enjoy a beer once in a while and it would be stupid to forego such pleasure because some ppl are retards and can't stop drinking. honestly that's not my problem... | ||
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QLIQ
United States6 Posts
On September 06 2012 13:30 superbarnie wrote: Maybe I should make it more precise. I say the government shouldn't try to control weed because it is likely to make the situation worse then it already is. However I believe that the use of any kind of harmful drug including weed for recreational purposes is an idiotic idea and people who engage in such behavior are can be also described as such because they continue to do so even as it becomes obvious how badly they are squandering their [few] resources. this guy is fucking right on every point the government shouldn't try to control weed that would be stupid that would be like trying to control the human and animal populations hes also right that people who smoke weed squander away their little bits of resources, he's also right on the fact that the only reason life is here and the ONLY reason why life is here is to accumulate said resources so that you can be financially secure for the Future. Future man, man..... i`m gonna kill myself | ||
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t0ab
Sweden39 Posts
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
Weed seems quite harmless in comparison yet i don't really like how many of my friends who smoked alot turned out. It might not be addictive like nicotine or alcohol but it sure seems to lead to changes in overall behaviour, at least when used heavily. | ||
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Poltergeist-
Sweden336 Posts
On September 06 2012 20:18 Nizaris wrote: i'm very aware that prohibition was a failure. What makes you think weed prohibition is any different? Not enough ppl addicted ? that's not even a reason. i enjoy a beer once in a while and it would be stupid to forego such pleasure because some ppl are retards and can't stop drinking. honestly that's not my problem... I guess I don't actually know if weed prohibition is failing on the same scale that alcohol prohibition failed. That was before my time  In a way, yes I mean that not enough people are addicted (I don't actually know at all how much of a problem weed addiction is). If it is possible to keep the number of addicted people low, then why not? If you make it legal one time, you will never be able to come close to making it illegal in the future should you change your mind.Yeah it isn't your problem as long as it doesn't affect you. Don't be so sure that someday some idiot that can't handle his/her alcohol will make it your problem in a big way. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On September 06 2012 18:22 Poltergeist- wrote: The biggest reason I see for weed not being legalized is that somewhere there must be a line drawn. Obviously we can't let the world's people turn into a bunch of drug addicts. Now I am not very familiar with the drug world but I feel that someone who smokes weed has a much higher chance of getting into heavier drugs which truly mess people up. Do you advocate the banning of alcohol as well ? otherwise your position is kinda hypocritical On September 06 2012 20:16 Poltergeist- wrote: Call me crazy but I couldn't care less if alcohol was banned. If people stopped drinking it we would have a better world. As you may know though, they tried banning alcohol in the US some years ago but it wasn't successful. Presumably too many people were alcoholics and they found other ways to get it. I feel that allowing drugs into the mix just makes matters worse than it already is. How ? All I see is illegality creating criminals, destroying lives, and wasting public resources. On September 06 2012 20:32 Poltergeist- wrote: I guess I don't actually know if weed prohibition is failing on the same scale that alcohol prohibition failed. That was before my time In a way, yes I mean that not enough people are addicted (I don't actually know at all how much of a problem weed addiction is). If it is possible to keep the number of addicted people low, then why not? If you make it legal one time, you will never be able to come close to making it illegal in the future should you change your mind.Yeah it isn't your problem as long as it doesn't affect you. Don't be so sure that someday some idiot that can't handle his/her alcohol will make it your problem in a big way. Weed addiction is hardly even a problem, it doesnt cause chemical dependancy, only psichological habituation, in sum, weed has the same addictive power of the internet, you do it because its awesome and you dont want to forego that habit | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On September 06 2012 20:16 Poltergeist- wrote: Call me crazy but I couldn't care less if alcohol was banned. If people stopped drinking it we would have a better world. As you may know though, they tried banning alcohol in the US some years ago but it wasn't successful. Presumably too many people were alcoholics and they found other ways to get it. I feel that allowing drugs into the mix just makes matters worse than it already is. Weed prohibition is about as successful as the alcohol prohibition actually, so many people smoke weed anyway. Its just that this time politicians are sticking to their guns about it, for whatever reason. | ||
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