EPTThis isn't even bringing into account that weed has been proven to bring out psychosis, psychophrenia and schizophrenia in certain people. I know for myself personally I had a few episodes of psychosis when I smoked too much, lost track of reality, thought things were happening when they weren't/misread situations. I don't just mean being slightly paranoid either, I mean actually BELIEVING things are happening, that the situation is actually happening for real. It's not fun...at all, and from speaking to others who smoke they have told me similiar things.
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calin
Australia107 Posts
This isn't even bringing into account that weed has been proven to bring out psychosis, psychophrenia and schizophrenia in certain people. I know for myself personally I had a few episodes of psychosis when I smoked too much, lost track of reality, thought things were happening when they weren't/misread situations. I don't just mean being slightly paranoid either, I mean actually BELIEVING things are happening, that the situation is actually happening for real. It's not fun...at all, and from speaking to others who smoke they have told me similiar things. | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
On September 07 2012 12:00 calin wrote: As someone who use to smoke about 3-4 times a week, definitely no. My friends who are still stoners are doing nothing with their lives, all you want to do when you're stoned is sit around, eat food and watch tv. You become completely unproductive and I know for a fact that I'm not as smart as I use to be, purely because I took drugs. This isn't even bringing into account that weed has been proven to bring out psychosis and psychophrenia in certain people. I know for myself personally I had a few episodes of psychosis when I smoked too much, lost track of reality, thought things were happening when they weren't/misread situations. I don't just mean being slightly paranoid either, I mean actually BELIEVING things are happening, that the situation is actually happening for real. It's not fun...at all, and from speaking to others who smoke they have told me similiar things. OK let's base public policy on personal anecdotes. | ||
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farvacola
United States18840 Posts
On September 07 2012 12:00 calin wrote: As someone who use to smoke about 3-4 times a week, definitely no. My friends who are still stoners are doing nothing with their lives, all you want to do when you're stoned is sit around, eat food and watch tv. You become completely unproductive and I know for a fact that I'm not as smart as I use to be, purely because I took drugs. This isn't even bringing into account that weed has been proven to bring out psychosis and psychophrenia in certain people. I know for myself personally I had a few episodes of psychosis when I smoked too much, lost track of reality, thought things were happening when they weren't/misread situations. I don't just mean being slightly paranoid either, I mean actually BELIEVING things are happening, that the situation is actually happening for real. It's not fun...at all, and from speaking to others who smoke they have told me similiar things. Do diabetics campaign against sugar? Where does the "If I can't have it, nobody can!" mentality come from? | ||
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calin
Australia107 Posts
edit: see I can write one liners that don't argue your point at all either! | ||
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QuackPocketDuck
410 Posts
Ive always felt that Weed is actually "legal" like sure you cant smoke in the middle of the street here in Australia But smoke weed at Home and no one is going to bother you.. Sure I didnt like all these rules like 10 years ago when I was in high school but now I sort of agree that people that cant handle their highs should be arrested  Only good thing about it becoming legal would be that maybe a price drop. On September 07 2012 12:03 farvacola wrote: Do diabetics campaign against sugar? Where does the "If I can't have it, nobody can!" mentality come from? haha, soon gays will demand everyone to be gay! you just wait  | ||
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mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
I'll reiterate my list of intelligent smokers here again: Bill Gates Steve Jobs Francis Crick Carl Sagan Richard Feynman Oliver Sacks Andrew Weil They are all much smarter than you, me, and most anybody, pot smoker or not. EDIT: This response if for you Calin! | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
On September 07 2012 12:04 calin wrote: It's not a personal anecdote, it's what happens to people who smoke too much..you become a lazy idiot, plain and simple. edit: see I can write one liners that don't argue your point at all either! You chose to be a lazy idiot and now you seek to abdicate responsibility for your choices by blaming cannabis. You're not arguing anything. | ||
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QuackPocketDuck
410 Posts
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
On September 07 2012 12:12 mynameisgreat11 wrote: I'll reiterate my list of intelligent smokers here again: Bill Gates Steve Jobs Francis Crick Carl Sagan Richard Feynman Oliver Sacks Andrew Weil They are all much smarter than you, me, and most anybody, pot smoker or not. EDIT: This response if for you Calin! sources | ||
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calin
Australia107 Posts
On September 07 2012 12:12 mynameisgreat11 wrote: I'll reiterate my list of intelligent smokers here again: Bill Gates Steve Jobs Francis Crick Carl Sagan Richard Feynman Oliver Sacks Andrew Weil They are all much smarter than you, me, and most anybody, pot smoker or not. EDIT: This response if for you Calin! That Study didn't test people before they smoked did it? It says day 0, 1, 7 and 28 were when they did intelligence tests. That list though..really? I bet none of those people smoked that much weed, I know Bill Gates and Steve Jobs took acid too, but were they really heavy users? Doubt it.. Plus, im not really disputing their intelligence regardless of whether they smoked or not. I'm saying that I 'feel' I'm not as smart as I use to be. They're all intelligent people, but that's not proof that they weren't smarter before they smoked weed is it? | ||
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calin
Australia107 Posts
On September 07 2012 12:16 Zealotdriver wrote: You chose to be a lazy idiot and now you seek to abdicate responsibility for your choices by blaming cannabis. You're not arguing anything. When did I say I was the lazy idiot? I never said anything about blaming cannabis either, I take full responsibility for my choices, but without weed I doubt I would have had these experiences..that's what I'm arguing. | ||
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mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
Gould - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Jay_Gould Feynman - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman Jobs - http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/steve-jobs-lsd-habit-why-he-indulged-marijuana-and-his-1975-arrest You have to dig through interviews and autobiographies. If you care, have fun. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
On September 06 2012 18:42 gosuMalicE wrote: What gives government the right to decide what people put into their bodies? If someone wants to indulge in amphetamines/opiates to the point where their life is in shambles than that should be their decision to make. If you argue this - then you would have to argue to govt refusing to treat drug addicts then | ||
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mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
On September 07 2012 12:22 calin wrote: That Study didn't test people before they smoked did it? It says day 0, 1, 7 and 28 were when they did intelligence tests. That list though..really? I bet none of those people smoked that much weed, I know Bill Gates and Steve Jobs took acid too, but were they really heavy users? Doubt it.. Plus, im not really disputing their intelligence regardless of whether they smoked or not. I'm saying that I 'feel' I'm not as smart as I use to be. They're all intelligent people, but that's not proof that they weren't smarter before they smoked weed is it? I think you're wrong, but it's irrelevant when talking about legalization. Alcohol kills you. Smoking kills you. Prescription drugs kill you. Bacon kills you. Assuming the worst, marijuana makes you lazy and less smart. Given the amount of deadly, legal substances out there, that is not a basis for prohibition. Point two, is that it being illegal is doing nothing to stop it from being used. In the recent study that has been thrown around this thread a lot talking about pot smoking lowering teens IQ, it also statse that 7% of high school seniors smoke weed EVERY DAY. If you think that pot being illegal is preventing it from being smoked, you're wrong. All its illegal status does is put those same kids in close contact with people who also sell heroin. | ||
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mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
On September 07 2012 12:34 Azzur wrote: If you argue this - then you would have to argue to govt refusing to treat drug addicts then Also, government treating people who are fat, smoke, and drink. | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On September 07 2012 12:00 calin wrote: As someone who use to smoke about 3-4 times a week, definitely no. My friends who are still stoners are doing nothing with their lives, all you want to do when you're stoned is sit around, eat food and watch tv. You become completely unproductive and I know for a fact that I'm not as smart as I use to be, purely because I took drugs. This isn't even bringing into account that weed has been proven to bring out psychosis, psychophrenia and schizophrenia in certain people. I know for myself personally I had a few episodes of psychosis when I smoked too much, lost track of reality, thought things were happening when they weren't/misread situations. I don't just mean being slightly paranoid either, I mean actually BELIEVING things are happening, that the situation is actually happening for real. It's not fun...at all, and from speaking to others who smoke they have told me similiar things. So these people should be in jail. Gotcha. On September 07 2012 12:12 mynameisgreat11 wrote: I'll reiterate my list of intelligent smokers here again: Bill Gates Steve Jobs Francis Crick Carl Sagan Richard Feynman Oliver Sacks Andrew Weil They are all much smarter than you, me, and most anybody, pot smoker or not. EDIT: This response if for you Calin! They weren't habitual smokers. Almost everyone has tried marijuana before, but they did not do it normally throughout their lives. The one thing I hate about smokers: they think that smoking makes them more intelligent because they "open their minds" which is a bunch of bullshit. This list you have here is just stupid, it's like saying Obama did cocaine and look he's the President now! They experimented with it, like 95% of people do. | ||
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cristo1122
Australia505 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
On September 07 2012 12:37 mynameisgreat11 wrote: Also, government treating people who are fat, smoke, and drink. I wish that were the case - but that will never happen in a PC world | ||
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calin
Australia107 Posts
On September 07 2012 12:38 Silidons wrote: So these people should be in jail. Gotcha. Don't be a dumbass, you don't go to jail for smoking some weed..unless you actually are a dumbass and keep so much weed on you that you look like one of the biggest pushers in your area, then yeah. But honestly, if you're gonna argue don't put words into other peoples mouths. | ||
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mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
On September 07 2012 12:41 Azzur wrote: I wish that were the case - but that will never happen in a PC world Also, people who are old. It's their own fucking fault they got so wrinkly and sick. | ||
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