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On September 03 2012 08:19 Vorgrim wrote:
What the hell would Oil and tobacco companies get out of weed prohibition? Really?
You are going to have to do better if you want people to take your argument seriously.
A huge amount of people doesn't want to smoke weed for the only reason that it's illegal. Therefore, a good amount of people would smoke cannabis instead of cigarettes.
You can make various thing out of hemp, the cannabis plant, such as paper and oil. Producing industrial hemp for paper would stop the world deforestation within a month.
Edit : But anyway, they don't have as much an impact as pharmaceutical companies do. They are really the main reason why it's illegal.
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They didn't die. I've said this already. Why does everyone think they died?
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My bigger problem is that marijuana has legit medical purposes but people want to abuse it just to get high. Abuse of prescription drugs is a huge hot-button issue with me. Personal stuff that nobody wants to hear about, blah blah blah...I am too tired to be awake and too awake to sleep...
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On September 03 2012 08:23 sM.Zik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 08:19 Vorgrim wrote:
What the hell would Oil and tobacco companies get out of weed prohibition? Really?
You are going to have to do better if you want people to take your argument seriously. A huge amount of people doesn't want to smoke weed for the only reason that it's illegal. Therefore, a good amount of people would smoke cannabis instead of cigarettes. You can make various thing out of hemp, the cannabis plant, such as paper and oil. Producing industrial hemp for paper would stop the world deforestation within a month.
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You are really doing smokers a huge disservice by engaging in this discussion.
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On September 03 2012 08:27 Vorgrim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 08:23 sM.Zik wrote:On September 03 2012 08:19 Vorgrim wrote:
What the hell would Oil and tobacco companies get out of weed prohibition? Really?
You are going to have to do better if you want people to take your argument seriously. A huge amount of people doesn't want to smoke weed for the only reason that it's illegal. Therefore, a good amount of people would smoke cannabis instead of cigarettes. You can make various thing out of hemp, the cannabis plant, such as paper and oil. Producing industrial hemp for paper would stop the world deforestation within a month. You are really doing smokers a huge disservice by engaging in this discussion.
You know, that's your own opinion.
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On September 03 2012 08:31 sM.Zik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 08:27 Vorgrim wrote:On September 03 2012 08:23 sM.Zik wrote:On September 03 2012 08:19 Vorgrim wrote:
What the hell would Oil and tobacco companies get out of weed prohibition? Really?
You are going to have to do better if you want people to take your argument seriously. A huge amount of people doesn't want to smoke weed for the only reason that it's illegal. Therefore, a good amount of people would smoke cannabis instead of cigarettes. You can make various thing out of hemp, the cannabis plant, such as paper and oil. Producing industrial hemp for paper would stop the world deforestation within a month. You are really doing smokers a huge disservice by engaging in this discussion. You know, that's your own opinion.
How can the statement you made be by opinion. That is a statement that can be proven right or wrong with some math that I don't feel like doing. And it's obviously wrong because that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
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On September 03 2012 08:33 shifty wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 08:31 sM.Zik wrote:On September 03 2012 08:27 Vorgrim wrote:On September 03 2012 08:23 sM.Zik wrote:On September 03 2012 08:19 Vorgrim wrote:
What the hell would Oil and tobacco companies get out of weed prohibition? Really?
You are going to have to do better if you want people to take your argument seriously. A huge amount of people doesn't want to smoke weed for the only reason that it's illegal. Therefore, a good amount of people would smoke cannabis instead of cigarettes. You can make various thing out of hemp, the cannabis plant, such as paper and oil. Producing industrial hemp for paper would stop the world deforestation within a month. You are really doing smokers a huge disservice by engaging in this discussion. You know, that's your own opinion. How can the statement you made be by opinion. That is a statement that can be proven right or wrong with some math that I don't feel like doing. And it's obviously wrong because that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
You should at least consider my whole post, instead of a small part to make an opinion.
"http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_health1.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth.shtml
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20030701/heavy-marijuana-use-doesnt-damage-brain
Please educate yourself. Cannabis is one of the safest substance known to mankind and has been used for 5k + years. I could go on for hours about it, about why it's only illegal because of $$$ (pharmaceutical, alcohol, tobacco and oil companies make it illegal), about how it can in fact be good for your health, etc. I won't, because people against it doesnt wan't to accept the truth no matter what. For them, their governement is the best source they can get in their life, they can't accept the fact that they lied to them.
Stay asleep if you want to, but you have no right to tell me what I can put in my body or what I can't. I'm not saying weed is for everybody, some lazy ass shouldn't smoke weed, just like depressed people shouldn't drink alcohol. Making it legal would only make it better for anyone. Let say your kids want to smoke weed, would you prefer if they were able to grow their own weed or to buy it to a store instead of buying it to the same guy that sells cocaine?
Ive been smoking daily for 5 years now, I can run for several km without any problem while most of the people I know who doesnt smoke anything can't even run for 100m. I'm a smart adult, I don't tell people what they should do with their life since it's not my fucking buisness. Prohibition was a propaganda and nothnig more. Believe it or not, weed makes you think outside of the box and some people out there doesnt wan't you to think too much."
Tobacco and oil companies doesnt have as much an impact as pharmaceutical one, but they still do.
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By the way, I kinda find it offensive that you tell me that I say dumb thing when I propose a solution to the deforestation of our planet. It IS possible to make all the paper we need with the cannabis plant, just do your research.
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I always felt that weed should be legalized but after I visited Amsterdam I think I have changed my mind. Not because of health or because of things like omg weed lowers peoples iq. But because that for non-smokers it was in-escapable and there were litterally high and drunk people everywhere at night. people would just blaze in cafes and benches and etc. While walking through the main streets it felt kind of ghetto because of how many people were out drinking or smoking. I felt like the city wasnt all that clean and it was slightly uncomfortable. I think Im just a bit prissy but I wouldnt want my own city to be like that.
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I didn't read all the way through the ~30 pages so if this has been mentioned before, I apologise.
One of the main problems I have with the illegality of pot is that they have also made Hemp illegal. Hemp is incredible, it is one of the toughest natural fibres and could be used SUSTAINABLY for so many different things. The first step to a better world is to legalise the use of Hemp.
Also pot should be legal, it can be controlled far easier that way and would help stop the stigma surrounding it. And don't give me any of the 'gateway drug' bullshit.
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On September 03 2012 08:37 sM.Zik wrote:
By the way, I kinda find it offensive that you tell me that I say dumb thing when I propose a solution to the deforestation of our planet. It IS possible to make all the paper we need with the cannabis plant, just do your research.
Because paper is the only thing we use trees for. My house just randomly materialized before I moved in.
I don't really care either way. If it does become legalized in more overall way, I believe there should be limits on how close operations should be to schools.
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I don't believe it's really logically sound to say that a person should never do drugs because they're bad. Don't get me wrong, they are unhealthy, but so is essentially everything we do that isn't eating, sleeping, drinking, and reproducing. Nice cars, big houses, junk food, casual sex, booze, television, video games, and even learning for pleasure are all things could be considered a waste of time and resources that could've been used towards a healthy lifestyle!
We're rather far beyond are primal life styles of having to spend all of our time surviving. We do things for pleasure, which is not healthy. Who's to say what is and isn't healthy, really? We don't need to be at the top of our game to survive, unless you're one of those people who aren't satisfied until they're running a fortune 500 company. So, why do we care so much about leading a, "healthy," lifestyle? As long as you're not a bum living off other people (which is a dick move if you can support yourself), why should anyone else even care?
"I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life the way I want to." -Hendrix
I understand some people's straight-edge choices, but I really don't understand not allowing others to do what they want. As long as you're not puffing it in someone's face, how does weed really affect anyone but yourself? I sincerely hope that no one is such as a straight-up asshole as to actively go against another person because they're living their life differently than you. So, why is it illegal again?
It's not healthy for you, but so what? Neither is McDonalds, Starcraft, chocolate, television, and anything but walking.
It's not a gateway drug, but even if it was, I guess my previous argument still applies. It's just not a gateway drug, it's the gateway culture/process that people now have to go through.
You can't stop people. Is there a single human being who thinks that the prohibition or DEA have been successful?
We're paying for cops to hunt those committing victimless crimes, courts to prosecute them, prisons to hold them, and food to feed them.
I really just don't get it, but I guess I don't need to considering the law's against me.
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On September 03 2012 08:42 ThreeAcross wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 08:37 sM.Zik wrote:
By the way, I kinda find it offensive that you tell me that I say dumb thing when I propose a solution to the deforestation of our planet. It IS possible to make all the paper we need with the cannabis plant, just do your research. Because paper is the only thing we use trees for. My house just randomly materialized before I moved in.
Don't you think that producing all the world paper with hemp instead of trees would help a bit...?
I'm out of this discussion, after all legal or not I'll still be able to blaze my weed daily untill I die anyway because prohibition DOESN'T WORK.
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On September 03 2012 08:44 TALegion wrote:
I don't believe it's really logically sound to say that a person should never do drugs because they're bad. Don't get me wrong, they are unhealthy, but so is essentially everything we do that isn't eating, sleeping, drinking, and reproducing. Nice cars, big houses, junk food, casual sex, booze, television, video games, and even learning for pleasure are all things could be considered a waste of time and resources that could've been used towards a healthy lifestyle!
We're rather far beyond are primal life styles of having to spend all of our time surviving. We do things for pleasure, which is not healthy. Who's to say what is and isn't healthy, really? We don't need to be at the top of our game to survive, unless you're one of those people who aren't satisfied until they're running a fortune 500 company. So, why do we care so much about leading a, "healthy," lifestyle? As long as you're not a bum living off other people (which is a dick move if you can support yourself), why should anyone else even care?
"I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life the way I want to." -Hendrix
I understand some people's straight-edge choices, but I really don't understand not allowing others to do what they want. As long as you're not puffing it in someone's face, how does weed really affect anyone but yourself? I sincerely hope that no one is such as a straight-up asshole as to actively go against another person because they're living their life differently than you. So, why is it illegal again?
It's not healthy for you, but so what? Neither is McDonalds, Starcraft, chocolate, television, and anything but walking.
It's not a gateway drug, but even if it was, I guess my previous argument still applies. It's just not a gateway drug, it's the gateway culture/process that people now have to go through.
You can't stop people. Is there a single human being who thinks that the prohibition or DEA have been successful?
We're paying for cops to hunt those committing victimless crimes, courts to prosecute them, prisons to hold them, and food to feed them.
I really just don't get it, but I guess I don't need to considering the law's against me.
Marijuana is (well, should be) medicine, not a toy...abusing any kind of medicine will have detrimental effects on you, like I've seen. Maybe marijuana is not as detrimental as some things, but it can be detrimental nonetheless...and I find it selfish to abuse medicine that other people, suffering people, might actually need - no matter what medicine that is. Marijuana, adderall, ketamine, vicodin, whatever. Call me 'holier-than-thou' or whatever you want but those are my honest feelings. I've never abused prescription medicine and I never plan to because that kind of thing just does not sit well with me morally.
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On September 03 2012 08:47 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 08:44 TALegion wrote:
I don't believe it's really logically sound to say that a person should never do drugs because they're bad. Don't get me wrong, they are unhealthy, but so is essentially everything we do that isn't eating, sleeping, drinking, and reproducing. Nice cars, big houses, junk food, casual sex, booze, television, video games, and even learning for pleasure are all things could be considered a waste of time and resources that could've been used towards a healthy lifestyle!
We're rather far beyond are primal life styles of having to spend all of our time surviving. We do things for pleasure, which is not healthy. Who's to say what is and isn't healthy, really? We don't need to be at the top of our game to survive, unless you're one of those people who aren't satisfied until they're running a fortune 500 company. So, why do we care so much about leading a, "healthy," lifestyle? As long as you're not a bum living off other people (which is a dick move if you can support yourself), why should anyone else even care?
"I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life the way I want to." -Hendrix
I understand some people's straight-edge choices, but I really don't understand not allowing others to do what they want. As long as you're not puffing it in someone's face, how does weed really affect anyone but yourself? I sincerely hope that no one is such as a straight-up asshole as to actively go against another person because they're living their life differently than you. So, why is it illegal again?
It's not healthy for you, but so what? Neither is McDonalds, Starcraft, chocolate, television, and anything but walking.
It's not a gateway drug, but even if it was, I guess my previous argument still applies. It's just not a gateway drug, it's the gateway culture/process that people now have to go through.
You can't stop people. Is there a single human being who thinks that the prohibition or DEA have been successful?
We're paying for cops to hunt those committing victimless crimes, courts to prosecute them, prisons to hold them, and food to feed them.
I really just don't get it, but I guess I don't need to considering the law's against me. Marijuana is (well, should be) medicine, not a toy...abusing any kind of medicine will have detrimental effects on you, like I've seen. Maybe marijuana is not as detrimental as some things, but it can be detrimental nonetheless...and I find it selfish to abuse medicine that other people, suffering people, might actually need - no matter what medicine that is. Marijuana, adderall, ketamine, vicodin, whatever. Call me 'holier-than-thou' or whatever you want but those are my honest feelings. I've never abused prescription medicine and I never plan to because that kind of thing just does not sit well with me morally.
So do you think we should be angry at caffeine abusers, too, since they are abusing a much more dangerous drug than marijuana?
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On September 03 2012 08:52 HunterX11 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 08:47 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 08:44 TALegion wrote:
I don't believe it's really logically sound to say that a person should never do drugs because they're bad. Don't get me wrong, they are unhealthy, but so is essentially everything we do that isn't eating, sleeping, drinking, and reproducing. Nice cars, big houses, junk food, casual sex, booze, television, video games, and even learning for pleasure are all things could be considered a waste of time and resources that could've been used towards a healthy lifestyle!
We're rather far beyond are primal life styles of having to spend all of our time surviving. We do things for pleasure, which is not healthy. Who's to say what is and isn't healthy, really? We don't need to be at the top of our game to survive, unless you're one of those people who aren't satisfied until they're running a fortune 500 company. So, why do we care so much about leading a, "healthy," lifestyle? As long as you're not a bum living off other people (which is a dick move if you can support yourself), why should anyone else even care?
"I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life the way I want to." -Hendrix
I understand some people's straight-edge choices, but I really don't understand not allowing others to do what they want. As long as you're not puffing it in someone's face, how does weed really affect anyone but yourself? I sincerely hope that no one is such as a straight-up asshole as to actively go against another person because they're living their life differently than you. So, why is it illegal again?
It's not healthy for you, but so what? Neither is McDonalds, Starcraft, chocolate, television, and anything but walking.
It's not a gateway drug, but even if it was, I guess my previous argument still applies. It's just not a gateway drug, it's the gateway culture/process that people now have to go through.
You can't stop people. Is there a single human being who thinks that the prohibition or DEA have been successful?
We're paying for cops to hunt those committing victimless crimes, courts to prosecute them, prisons to hold them, and food to feed them.
I really just don't get it, but I guess I don't need to considering the law's against me. Marijuana is (well, should be) medicine, not a toy...abusing any kind of medicine will have detrimental effects on you, like I've seen. Maybe marijuana is not as detrimental as some things, but it can be detrimental nonetheless...and I find it selfish to abuse medicine that other people, suffering people, might actually need - no matter what medicine that is. Marijuana, adderall, ketamine, vicodin, whatever. Call me 'holier-than-thou' or whatever you want but those are my honest feelings. I've never abused prescription medicine and I never plan to because that kind of thing just does not sit well with me morally. So do you think we should be angry at caffeine abusers, too, since they are abusing a much more dangerous drug than marijuana?
Caffeine isn't medicine so that doesn't really work in this context...that is, it's a separate issue. I'm just talking about medicine...
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I'd rather we just banned the whole lot, weed, alcohol, etc.
Can't even recall the number of trips to the hospital, vomit puddles and phone calls from the police my friends and I had to deal with because half of us couldn't find a better way to have a good time. No worthwhile hobbies, no set goals, they just get drunk/high every weekend.
War on drugs is bad, too much money down the drain. Fact is though, allowing easier/legal access to abusable drugs to people who wouldn't dare to go through the illegal troubles to get them otherwise (ie. not the average pot user right now) just means more mess to clean up by people who'd prefer to stay clean. Go find some other way of having a good time that doesn't involve me cleaning up your shit off the floor because you're too tired to do it the next morning.
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On September 03 2012 08:47 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 08:44 TALegion wrote:
I don't believe it's really logically sound to say that a person should never do drugs because they're bad. Don't get me wrong, they are unhealthy, but so is essentially everything we do that isn't eating, sleeping, drinking, and reproducing. Nice cars, big houses, junk food, casual sex, booze, television, video games, and even learning for pleasure are all things could be considered a waste of time and resources that could've been used towards a healthy lifestyle!
We're rather far beyond are primal life styles of having to spend all of our time surviving. We do things for pleasure, which is not healthy. Who's to say what is and isn't healthy, really? We don't need to be at the top of our game to survive, unless you're one of those people who aren't satisfied until they're running a fortune 500 company. So, why do we care so much about leading a, "healthy," lifestyle? As long as you're not a bum living off other people (which is a dick move if you can support yourself), why should anyone else even care?
"I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life the way I want to." -Hendrix
I understand some people's straight-edge choices, but I really don't understand not allowing others to do what they want. As long as you're not puffing it in someone's face, how does weed really affect anyone but yourself? I sincerely hope that no one is such as a straight-up asshole as to actively go against another person because they're living their life differently than you. So, why is it illegal again?
It's not healthy for you, but so what? Neither is McDonalds, Starcraft, chocolate, television, and anything but walking.
It's not a gateway drug, but even if it was, I guess my previous argument still applies. It's just not a gateway drug, it's the gateway culture/process that people now have to go through.
You can't stop people. Is there a single human being who thinks that the prohibition or DEA have been successful?
We're paying for cops to hunt those committing victimless crimes, courts to prosecute them, prisons to hold them, and food to feed them.
I really just don't get it, but I guess I don't need to considering the law's against me. Marijuana is (well, should be) medicine, not a toy...abusing any kind of medicine will have detrimental effects on you, like I've seen. Maybe marijuana is not as detrimental as some things, but it can be detrimental nonetheless...and I find it selfish to abuse medicine that other people, suffering people, might actually need - no matter what medicine that is. Marijuana, adderall, ketamine, vicodin, whatever. Call me 'holier-than-thou' or whatever you want but those are my honest feelings. I've never abused prescription medicine and I never plan to because that kind of thing just does not sit well with me morally.
I actually concur with you that marijuana does hold some potential for abuse and that actions need to be taken to try and regulate it. I personally was prescribed marijuana because of cartilage-deficient right leg joints (mostly behind the patella and in my hip) and also the fact I have 8 screws and 2 plates holding my jaw together which coupled with the nerve damage in my lower jaw and neck causes me some discomfort on a regular basis. I do however have to debate that recreational use could also be beneficial in the treating of a very common ailment. Too much stress.
Maybe its just me but when I decide to have a nice cold beer or a glass of wine or back when I used to smoke cigarettes, when I wanted a cigarette was usually to relieve stress. I'd smoke a cigarette after a shift at work or I'd come home and have 2-3 beers while I relaxed and unwound from the stresses of working 3 jobs. I think it wouldn't too incorrect for me to say that a lot of puffers (you don't HAVE to smoke, you can vape or eat it too) use MJ for this same exact role. While drinking a little alcohol (not excessive) or smoking a cigarette (I got nothin good on this one) might be bad for you, I found it to be a way to deal with the extreme stresses of my daily life. I can't really deny someone else that same right.
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On September 03 2012 08:56 Jojo131 wrote:
I'd rather we just banned the whole lot, weed, alcohol, etc.
Can't even recall the number of trips to the hospital, vomit puddles and phone calls from the police my friends and I had to deal with because half of us couldn't find a better way to have a good time. No worthwhile hobbies, no set goals.
I agree.. just because some dumb asses couldn't handle themselves it should be illegal for everyone!
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On September 03 2012 08:57 sCCrooked wrote:
Maybe its just me but when I decide to have a nice cold beer or a glass of wine or back when I used to smoke cigarettes, when I wanted a cigarette was usually to relieve stress. I'd smoke a cigarette after a shift at work or I'd come home and have 2-3 beers while I relaxed and unwound from the stresses of working 3 jobs. I think it wouldn't too incorrect for me to say that a lot of puffers (you don't HAVE to smoke, you can vape or eat it too) use MJ for this same exact role. While drinking a little alcohol (not excessive) or smoking a cigarette (I got nothin good on this one) might be bad for you, I found it to be a way to deal with the extreme stresses of my daily life. I can't really deny someone else that same right.
This is actually exactly why I smoke weed. It's healthier than drinking and smoking cigarettes and fills the same role. Is it really such a bad thing?
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