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executorx
Germany81 Posts
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hooktits
United States972 Posts
I feel that after legalizing marijuana that it would perhaps separate it from that "illegal drug status" I currently don't even use marijuana but i used to quite frequently but i am pro legalization and definitely feel that alcohol is much more dangerous and detrimental to society. Legalize yo it does help sick peoples!!! ^^ | ||
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Vorgrim
Korea (North)1601 Posts
On September 03 2012 05:42 HunterX11 wrote: I don't think many people advocate legalizing it for minors. You do know that it is illegal to purchase or consume alcohol as a minor, right? (In fact it still is for 3 years after you're done being a minor!) Legalizing it might not necessarily make it easier for kids to get--I know that in high school for example it was way easier to get weed than booze. If you eliminated weed dealers, and only allowed it to be sold at registered and licensed locations, it would be easier to keep out of kids' hands specfically. Being condescending isn't helping your argument any, HunterX11. It wouldn't necessarily make it easier for kids to get, but it would be putting out a message that smoking is okay. Burning anything and inhaling it into your lungs is bad for health, and weed is inextricably linked with tobacco smoking. It always will be. No socially concious country can fully legalise weed without indirectly facilitating the poisoning of it's populace. Which is why I suggested what I did, not ruining people's lives because they enjoy getting stoned in their own homes. I stopped smoking it years ago because I felt it was having a genuinely negative effect on my life. As much as many people want to champion it as some sort of magical panacea, it's really not. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
On September 03 2012 06:11 Vorgrim wrote: Being condescending isn't helping your argument any, HunterX11. It wouldn't necessarily make it easier for kids to get, but it would be putting out a message that smoking is okay. Burning anything and inhaling it into your lungs is bad for health, and weed is inextricably linked with tobacco smoking. It always will be. No socially concious country can fully legalise weed without indirectly facilitating the poisoning of it's populace. Which is why I suggested what I did, not ruining people's lives because they enjoy getting stoned in their own homes. I stopped smoking it years ago because I felt it was having a genuinely negative effect on my life. As much as many people want to champion it as some sort of magical panacea, it's really not. You know something that is much more directly linked to tobacco smoking than cannabis? Cigarettes being legal. If legalizing a substance equates to 'putting out a message that its ok', then the current message advocates drinking, smoking, prescription opiates, and obesity. That sucks that smoking weed was something you didn't enjoy, and somehow got you into smoking tobacco. Let the rest of us decide for ourselves. EDIT: And blame tobacco for your tobacco addiction. That seems like a no brainer. | ||
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kinsky
Germany368 Posts
edit: best 100th post ever i guess. | ||
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HunterX11
United States1048 Posts
On September 03 2012 06:11 Vorgrim wrote: Being condescending isn't helping your argument any, HunterX11. It wouldn't necessarily make it easier for kids to get, but it would be putting out a message that smoking is okay. Burning anything and inhaling it into your lungs is bad for health, and weed is inextricably linked with tobacco smoking. It always will be. No socially concious country can fully legalise weed without indirectly facilitating the poisoning of it's populace. Which is why I suggested what I did, not ruining people's lives because they enjoy getting stoned in their own homes. I stopped smoking it years ago because I felt it was having a genuinely negative effect on my life. As much as many people want to champion it as some sort of magical panacea, it's really not. You have no evidence that this purported implicit "message" would have any effect at all. In fact the only example we have would be the opposite: drinking INCREASED after Prohibition, and that was not merely a move on the part of the government, but the culmination of an enormous concerted campaign to vilify drinking. The government already vilifies smoking marijuana today, and will continue to do so if it is legalized: in fact it will probably even step up anti-pot PSAs, perhaps funded by a portion of marijuana taxes. You don't even have an argument to condescend! | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On September 03 2012 05:40 farvacola wrote: As I already posted, from that source, So by admission of your own source material, marijuana does not carry the same public risk. Not the same magnitude of public risk, but the same kind of risk nonetheless. It's still a substantial increase. I largely don't want to deal with this topic any more though. The number of potheads throwing around very poor, half-assed, "But I'm DIFFERENT!" arguments is too much for me. | ||
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skatblast
United States784 Posts
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farvacola
United States18818 Posts
On September 03 2012 06:34 aksfjh wrote: Not the same magnitude of public risk, but the same kind of risk nonetheless. It's still a substantial increase. I largely don't want to deal with this topic any more though. The number of potheads throwing around very poor, half-assed, "But I'm DIFFERENT!" arguments is too much for me. To be fair, threads that dwell on topics such as these are all rather similar; while half-assed, self-aggrandizing posts are usually in the majority, those who discuss with real substance usually carry on worthwhile dialogue in the periphery. | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2543 Posts
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth.shtml http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20030701/heavy-marijuana-use-doesnt-damage-brain Please educate yourself. Cannabis is one of the safest substance known to mankind and has been used for 5k + years. I could go on for hours about it, about why it's only illegal because of $$$ (pharmaceutical, alcohol, tobacco and oil companies make it illegal), about how it can in fact be good for your health, etc. I won't, because people against it doesnt wan't to accept the truth no matter what. For them, their governement is the best source they can get in their life, they can't accept the fact that they lied to them. Stay asleep if you want to, but you have no right to tell me what I can put in my body or what I can't. I'm not saying weed is for everybody, some lazy ass shouldn't smoke weed, just like depressed people shouldn't drink alcohol. Making it legal would only make it better for anyone. Let say your kids want to smoke weed, would you prefer if they were able to grow their own weed or to buy it to a store instead of buying it to the same guy that sells cocaine? Ive been smoking daily for 5 years now, I can run for several km without any problem while most of the people I know who doesnt smoke anything can't even run for 100m. I'm a smart adult, I don't tell people what they should do with their life since it's not my fucking buisness. Prohibition was a propaganda and nothnig more. Believe it or not, weed makes you think outside of the box and some people out there doesnt wan't you to think too much. | ||
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
On September 03 2012 05:53 Sroobz wrote: You should watch Fox News. They use fake data lies and emotional propaganda to lure their audience in. You would be at home there. Let's see what happens in Colorado, Oregon, and Washington this year. Also, I'd like to have you look at Tommy Chong, Bill Clinton, Obama, etc...your main argument is that smoking weed lowers intelligence. Have you ever listened to any of these guys speak? They are extremely intelligent people. -stretch- It's not only that, there's a whole other reason too but there's lots to that, most of it personal and blah blah blah. Nobody wants to hear my rant on that. It's a question of values and I guess caring for yourself isn't as valuable to lots of people as much as having fun is. This is seen in alcohol as well. Ah but I'm tired now and would like to take a nap...bye-bye then...~ | ||
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TheManInBlack
Nigeria266 Posts
I understand the need for people to have a getaway plan from the harsh pressures of life, but is smoking a narcotic really necessary? There are plenty of good old fashion ways to hit a high.. Have some friends over, cook a big meal and stuff your face, have sex, do some outdoor exercise. | ||
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Sroobz
United States1377 Posts
On September 03 2012 07:54 sM.Zik wrote: Please educate yourself. Cannabis is one of the safest substance known to mankind and has been used for 5k + years. I could go on for hours about it, about why it's only illegal because of $$$ (pharmaceutical, alcohol, tobacco and oil companies make it illegal), about how it can in fact be good for your health, etc. I won't, because people against it doesnt wan't to accept the truth no matter what. For them, their governement is the best source they can get in their life, they can't accept the fact that they lied to them. Finally someone smart. | ||
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NotAPro
Canada146 Posts
On September 03 2012 08:01 Sacred Reich wrote: I don't think weed should be legalized. There is a new study out showing the mitigating effects of Weed on the IQ's of long term weed smokers. I know the matter of IQ and how relevant it is is dubious business, but you cannot deny that any regression on a persons mental performance is an issue. I understand the need for people to have a getaway plan from the harsh pressures of life, but is smoking a narcotic really necessary? There are plenty of good old fashion ways to hit a high.. Have some friends over, cook a big meal and stuff your face, have sex, do some outdoor exercise. That study had to do with adolescents. Legalizing and regulating cannabis would make it harder for under age kids to get it. You can also do everything you listed there while under the effects of cannabis and enjoy them even more. | ||
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MagnuMizer
Denmark384 Posts
On September 03 2012 08:01 Sacred Reich wrote: I don't think weed should be legalized. There is a new study out showing the mitigating effects of Weed on the IQ's of long term weed smokers. I know the matter of IQ and how relevant it is is dubious business, but you cannot deny that any regression on a persons mental performance is an issue. I understand the need for people to have a getaway plan from the harsh pressures of life, but is smoking a narcotic really necessary? There are plenty of good old fashion ways to hit a high.. Have some friends over, cook a big meal and stuff your face, have sex, do some outdoor exercise. Please link the source of this new study.. I'm genuinly quite interested being a long term heavy weed smoker (7+ years daily). As for legalization, I have a really easy time already acquiring weed and the cops don't bother me (yes, come to Copenhagen, its the new Amsterdam - well its always been) Therefore, I dont really need it to be legal, the only benefits i could see for me personally, would be cheaper weed, and absolutely zero paranoia about cops.. And maybe even my parents would look at it differently.. But as is; its fine =) I must say though, from my personal experience - I've been getting high every single day apart from maybe some holidays ive been on with my parents or whatever, but I dont feel any different, i'm a university student, i'm fit, i have a hot girlfriend, i got a job - money... Basically my life is awesome cos on top of all that i play fucking STARCRAFT2 baby! Your right though mr. Reich... You dont NEED weed... but i sure as hell love it... | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2543 Posts
Thanks, but I wouldn't say that people against it are idiot. They have been told lies about cannabis and believed it because they have no clue, which is something I can understand in the society we live in nowadays. I had the chance to grow in an open-minded family, thus I was able to make my own decisions in life. I was able to use my brain to think about facts, instead of taking what people in control of the population want us to think for their own good. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On September 03 2012 08:01 Sacred Reich wrote: I don't think weed should be legalized. There is a new study out showing the mitigating effects of Weed on the IQ's of long term weed smokers. I know the matter of IQ and how relevant it is is dubious business, but you cannot deny that any regression on a persons mental performance is an issue. I understand the need for people to have a getaway plan from the harsh pressures of life, but is smoking a narcotic really necessary? There are plenty of good old fashion ways to hit a high.. Have some friends over, cook a big meal and stuff your face, have sex, do some outdoor exercise. Yeah but people should have the right to decide what they want to do. Like cigarettes are legal everywhere, and you can bet that those have health consequences that are a hundred times worse than marijuana. Probably alcohol too (A nice yahoo article). If a person wants to enjoy a cigarette once in a while, or a drink, or now some marijuana...why not? I think the only substances that should be banned are those that no one in their right mind would want to use...like that horrific Russian drug Crocodil (I think that's how its spelled) or heroin. Sex can be abused too. There are sex addicts you know! It can have harmful impacts on a person's ability to form relationships with other people. I mean clearly we shouldn't ban sex, (almost?) everything can be abused. But marijuana is one of the most harmless drugs on the market, it would be hypocritical and senseless to leave it banned. On September 03 2012 06:06 HatchetWound wrote: I think marijuana should be legal, as is i feel it is a gateway drug in the sense that since it is illegal, after using marijuana u will be exposed to other drug users who will use other more dangerous illegal drugs cocaine and heroin. However its not a gateway in the sense that if you use marijuana for a while that you will someday want to start seeking harder drugs. However as a young person being exposed to these drugs for the first time i think that curiosity and i guess peer pressure could definitely influence the use of harder drugs. I feel that after legalizing marijuana that it would perhaps separate it from that "illegal drug status" I currently don't even use marijuana but i used to quite frequently but i am pro legalization and definitely feel that alcohol is much more dangerous and detrimental to society. Legalize yo it does help sick peoples!!! ^^ But see that is also the hypocrisy of it all. People say it would be a gateway drug and that it shouldn't be allowed...and yet people smoke tobacco every day and its perfectly legal, as if that argument vanishes into thin air for cigarettes, that do even more damage to your body than marijuana could ever do. I think this is one of the few issues, that with just a little bit of basic research, really makes you scratch your head in wonder as to why politicians are so...dense? Or incapable of understanding these really simple arguments. | ||
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Vorgrim
Korea (North)1601 Posts
You are going to have to do better if you want people to take your argument seriously. | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On September 03 2012 04:25 OmiDeLta wrote: You comparing what happened to a couple of my friends to a "ridiculous movie" is HIGHLY insulting. http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/mj_overdose.htm Your friends were not killed by an overdoes of marijuana. Nobody ever in all of history has. That link someone gave of the car accident contradicts itself in its own writing. Not to mention that's not MJ doing it, that's bad driving doing something. http://www.advancedholistichealth.org/history.html This medicine has roots in East Asia as far back as 8,000 B.C. If your dad really adheres to the scientific processes in his claims of pursuing science, then he should have long since flip-flopped on this issue. The evidence is overwhelmingly on the side of those who see a cover-up by greedy corporations from timber to pharmaceuticals. Just for more references to any interested, here's some more documentaries: As a side-note, I'd like to add that every single person who has tried to oppose legalization either is spouting the government's propoganda (proven false multiple times) or uses twisted examples of deaths from marijuana which in reality are caused by other substances or circumstances. Their own sources usually contradict themselves and prove us right. Before you guys try to say you oppose it, you might want to educate yourselves better on this. If not from my post, from the OP. At least READ and WATCH both sides or you're not using proper researching to come to your conclusions. | ||
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