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On September 03 2012 05:11 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 05:09 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 05:08 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 05:04 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 05:01 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 04:58 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:55 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 04:51 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:50 Sroobz wrote:On September 03 2012 04:47 mememolly wrote:
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yeah but he talks nonsense that supports OmiDeLta's "argument" OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend! Seriously though, I smoke weed regularly and I still get 4.0s in college (always have). I still have a girlfriend (long-distance) and I have never beaten her (hey alcoholics). My family and I still get along well. I have a ton of friends that drink and smoke. Omg weed ruined my life. Mocking people isn't nice, you know. "OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend!" is a backhanded insult to others in the thread so for you to complain about people mocking others is somewhat ironic I said that in response to his post about correllation and causality, NOT to his post bashing Joe Rogan. It was still an insult to others in the thread as you implied that everyone else was not rational. About that particular subject, you are correct, nobody else was being rational. If correllation didn't imply causation, how would we ever get anywhere? Correllation is potential, potential is to be explored. It just so happens I was right that time. WHO KNOWS, maybe the individual reactions to marijuana are different but from what I've seen that does not seem likely. You said that because your friends are fuckups and smoked weed then weed is obviously at fault and therefore bad, that is irrational and asinine. So, no, you were not right. Sorry. MY FRIENDS WERE NOT FUCKUPS. How dare you assume such a horrible thing. You said they threw their lives away. How dare you assume that weed is bad based on your friend's experiences that might not have anything to do with weed, such a horrible assumption.
If they hadn't gotten into it, they never would have thrown what they had away. I have every right to call weed out on that and I would appreciate it if you stopped mocking me, it is simply not nice. You are making yourself look like a jerk who can only parrot other peoples' lines back at them.
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On September 03 2012 05:12 aksfjh wrote:Let's reframe the question. Would you rather a) ban a substance that has been a cornerstone of society for millenia, or b) continue to ban a substance that carries the same public risk, but doesn't have the same cultural protection?
Substantiate that claim please.
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On September 03 2012 05:09 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 05:08 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 05:04 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 05:01 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 04:58 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:55 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 04:51 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:50 Sroobz wrote:On September 03 2012 04:47 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 04:45 Sroobz wrote:
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Are you kidding? Tewks44 post is just nonsense that literally talks about nothing.
yeah but he talks nonsense that supports OmiDeLta's "argument" OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend! Seriously though, I smoke weed regularly and I still get 4.0s in college (always have). I still have a girlfriend (long-distance) and I have never beaten her (hey alcoholics). My family and I still get along well. I have a ton of friends that drink and smoke. Omg weed ruined my life. Mocking people isn't nice, you know. "OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend!" is a backhanded insult to others in the thread so for you to complain about people mocking others is somewhat ironic I said that in response to his post about correllation and causality, NOT to his post bashing Joe Rogan. It was still an insult to others in the thread as you implied that everyone else was not rational. About that particular subject, you are correct, nobody else was being rational. If correllation didn't imply causation, how would we ever get anywhere? Correllation is potential, potential is to be explored. It just so happens I was right that time. WHO KNOWS, maybe the individual reactions to marijuana are different but from what I've seen that does not seem likely. You said that because your friends are fuckups and smoked weed then weed is obviously at fault and therefore bad, that is irrational and asinine. So, no, you were not right. Sorry. MY FRIENDS WERE NOT FUCKUPS. How dare you assume such a horrible thing.
Your friends made their own choices. Weed did not ruin their life and make them losers. That's just the reality of being young and stupid with no guidance or understanding of life. You should be happy they only smoke weed rather than getting involved with a lot worse substances. They can quit smoking and grow up and take responsibility for their lifes or continue to smoke and still take responsibility. Either way they are not causing permanent damage to themselves.
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On September 03 2012 05:14 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 05:11 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 05:09 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 05:08 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 05:04 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 05:01 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 04:58 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:55 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 04:51 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:50 Sroobz wrote:
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OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend!
Seriously though, I smoke weed regularly and I still get 4.0s in college (always have). I still have a girlfriend (long-distance) and I have never beaten her (hey alcoholics). My family and I still get along well. I have a ton of friends that drink and smoke. Omg weed ruined my life.
Mocking people isn't nice, you know. "OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend!" is a backhanded insult to others in the thread so for you to complain about people mocking others is somewhat ironic I said that in response to his post about correllation and causality, NOT to his post bashing Joe Rogan. It was still an insult to others in the thread as you implied that everyone else was not rational. About that particular subject, you are correct, nobody else was being rational. If correllation didn't imply causation, how would we ever get anywhere? Correllation is potential, potential is to be explored. It just so happens I was right that time. WHO KNOWS, maybe the individual reactions to marijuana are different but from what I've seen that does not seem likely. You said that because your friends are fuckups and smoked weed then weed is obviously at fault and therefore bad, that is irrational and asinine. So, no, you were not right. Sorry. MY FRIENDS WERE NOT FUCKUPS. How dare you assume such a horrible thing. You said they threw their lives away. How dare you assume that weed is bad based on your friend's experiences that might not have anything to do with weed, such a horrible assumption. If they hadn't gotten into it, they never would have thrown what they had away. I have every right to call weed out on that and I would appreciate it if you stopped mocking me, it is simply not nice. You are making yourself look like a jerk who can only parrot other peoples' lines back at them.
You don't know that and cannot prove that, it's anecdotal evidence, that isn't good enough to bring to an argument about the legalization of a weed.
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On September 03 2012 05:16 lodeet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 05:09 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 05:08 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 05:04 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 05:01 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 04:58 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:55 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 04:51 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:50 Sroobz wrote:On September 03 2012 04:47 mememolly wrote:
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yeah but he talks nonsense that supports OmiDeLta's "argument" OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend! Seriously though, I smoke weed regularly and I still get 4.0s in college (always have). I still have a girlfriend (long-distance) and I have never beaten her (hey alcoholics). My family and I still get along well. I have a ton of friends that drink and smoke. Omg weed ruined my life. Mocking people isn't nice, you know. "OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend!" is a backhanded insult to others in the thread so for you to complain about people mocking others is somewhat ironic I said that in response to his post about correllation and causality, NOT to his post bashing Joe Rogan. It was still an insult to others in the thread as you implied that everyone else was not rational. About that particular subject, you are correct, nobody else was being rational. If correllation didn't imply causation, how would we ever get anywhere? Correllation is potential, potential is to be explored. It just so happens I was right that time. WHO KNOWS, maybe the individual reactions to marijuana are different but from what I've seen that does not seem likely. You said that because your friends are fuckups and smoked weed then weed is obviously at fault and therefore bad, that is irrational and asinine. So, no, you were not right. Sorry. MY FRIENDS WERE NOT FUCKUPS. How dare you assume such a horrible thing. Your friends made there own choices. Weed did not ruin there life and make them losers. That's just the reality of being young and stupid with no guidance or understanding of life. You should be happy they only smoke weed rather than getting involved with a lot worse substances. They can quit smoking and grow up and take responsibility for their lifes or continue to smoke and still take responsibility. Either way they are not causing permanent damage to themselves.
And we come full circle back to the brain scans that I can not find good images of. I need a scanner for my computer; note to self.
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On September 03 2012 05:17 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 05:14 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 05:11 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 05:09 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 05:08 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 05:04 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 05:01 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 04:58 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:55 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 04:51 OmiDeLta wrote:
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Mocking people isn't nice, you know. "OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend!" is a backhanded insult to others in the thread so for you to complain about people mocking others is somewhat ironic I said that in response to his post about correllation and causality, NOT to his post bashing Joe Rogan. It was still an insult to others in the thread as you implied that everyone else was not rational. About that particular subject, you are correct, nobody else was being rational. If correllation didn't imply causation, how would we ever get anywhere? Correllation is potential, potential is to be explored. It just so happens I was right that time. WHO KNOWS, maybe the individual reactions to marijuana are different but from what I've seen that does not seem likely. You said that because your friends are fuckups and smoked weed then weed is obviously at fault and therefore bad, that is irrational and asinine. So, no, you were not right. Sorry. MY FRIENDS WERE NOT FUCKUPS. How dare you assume such a horrible thing. You said they threw their lives away. How dare you assume that weed is bad based on your friend's experiences that might not have anything to do with weed, such a horrible assumption. If they hadn't gotten into it, they never would have thrown what they had away. I have every right to call weed out on that and I would appreciate it if you stopped mocking me, it is simply not nice. You are making yourself look like a jerk who can only parrot other peoples' lines back at them. You don't know that and cannot prove that, it's anecdotal evidence, that isn't good enough to bring to an argument about the legalization of a weed.
What I found out after I started looking certainly brings about an argument that I feel is good enough. However, sudden realization that this more or less comes down to a question of one's individual values...
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"If they hadn't gotten into it, they never would have thrown what they had away".
not even close to freakin true man.. they fucked up their own lifes i was in the gutter then weed has givin me motivation to go get a job
currently a budtender at riverrock
tell me how i went from broke and almost dead to a family of 3 in a good house
wait i dont need you to tell me how
weed is how
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To start off I'm a medical patient and I have been for awhile. The problem that many people don't see when they're doing testing to see if marijuana is carcinogenic is that most people who are chronic smokers or even people who smoke every now and again will occasionally smoke their bud in a spliff.
For a solid year, 9 times out of ten my preffered smoke was a spliff until the side effects were beginning to get very noticeable.
With the constant holding the hit in my lungs began to hurt more and more and soon enough I had a chronic cough, coughing up some nasty dark green stuff.
The second I stopped putting tobacco in my shit I have never felt better. No more cough, no more sick feeling, my lungs are even at like 95% capacity or something last time I went to the doc.
Weed does not hurt your lungs.
The part that is harmed is your cilia in your throat and your saliva glands. When not smoking through a nice bong/bub or vape the smoke you inhale is a lot hotter than it should be and can stunt/burn these parts of your body and cause damage. However , using a sweet piece or i.e. a volcano, you are doing virtually no harm since the smoke is cooled down.
On a side note, do not cool your smoke down too much, it can cause frostbite like effects and be one harsh hit.
Mainly for people who have a glycerin coil... do not put ice in it too.
Another problem with constant tokers (and stogie smokers too) is the god damn fact that everyone is inhaling their lighter fluid. Every single time you light your bowl or light up your jay you're also taking a nice big breath of that lighter fluid of yours. Lighter fluid has some nasty stuff in it and the more you inhale the more damage you are doing.
Check out this stuff called B-line, all natural hempwick that is safe to inhale.
TL;DR
Marijuana is not the cause of the problem, just the way people are ingesting it.
If you want more go look up rick simpson oil.
Also, Tommy chong just cured his prostate cancer using only THC.
Smoke on.
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On September 03 2012 05:15 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 05:12 aksfjh wrote:Let's reframe the question. Would you rather a) ban a substance that has been a cornerstone of society for millenia, or b) continue to ban a substance that carries the same public risk, but doesn't have the same cultural protection? Substantiate that claim please.
It was posted earlier: http://healthland.time.com/2012/02/10/stoned-driving-nearly-doubles-the-risk-of-a-fatal-crash/
It's a mind altering substance. It's fairly evident it would impair a driver or operator of machinery.
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On September 03 2012 05:26 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 05:15 farvacola wrote:On September 03 2012 05:12 aksfjh wrote:Let's reframe the question. Would you rather a) ban a substance that has been a cornerstone of society for millenia, or b) continue to ban a substance that carries the same public risk, but doesn't have the same cultural protection? Substantiate that claim please. It was posted earlier: http://healthland.time.com/2012/02/10/stoned-driving-nearly-doubles-the-risk-of-a-fatal-crash/It's a mind altering substance. It's fairly evident it would impair a driver or operator of machinery.
I haven't driven non-stoned in like 2 years man. Not a single accident to date.
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On September 03 2012 05:21 TapetalKarma wrote:
"If they hadn't gotten into it, they never would have thrown what they had away".
not even close to freakin true man.. they fucked up their own lifes i was in the gutter then weed has givin me motivation to go get a job
currently a budtender at riverrock
tell me how i went from broke and almost dead to a family of 3 in a good house
wait i dont need you to tell me how
weed is how
I also use weed for motivation. Weed can have a postive effect on many people that's why is prescribed medicianlly.
It has only done good things for my mental health. Weed like anything else can be abused. People only focusing on the negative aspects and not the positive.
I say let them be ignorant and keep the goods to ourselves.
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For the convenience of anyone reading, the thread kinda died at page 25. You can go back there if you want a logical discussion.
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On September 03 2012 05:05 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:45 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 03 2012 04:42 Kurumi wrote:
I have a question:
Is the money involved in marijuana so small that nobody is interested in running a huge legal business?
This is something that baffles me, it seems like common folk or "non-important" politicians are for legalizing it.
The argument to legalize marijuana could be easily made, but it seems there's no one with power interested in doing that, because if there was, we wouldn't have that debate, am I right? Marijuana is a multi-billion dollar industry just nationally in the States and arguably again in Canada alone and that is not directly relating the profit margins with respect to the massive hemp productions, the main reason marijuana is not legal is due to its industrial value with regards to paper companies. If hemp came into business... well let's just say their is a major reason why the declaration of independence is almost in perfect condition and has been even before it was pampered ^^. Hemp > paper 10fold. Okay, so what stops paper companies from using their money to establish a hemp production? Like, when you are ahead get even more ahead?
The argument is exactly like oil vs green fuel, oil is simply more useful right now than solar/wind etc but eventually those industries will blot out oil/gas altogether, hemp was not "new" but it was relatively new to being industrialized and paper was already feeling the pressure so simply put (since they already developed paper plants/had it set up - think of oil/oil plants etc) they wouldn't transition and simply blotted it out.
Call it a conspiracy (conspiracies happen all the time) but if you look at the history of it, 2 and 2 don't add up like they should.
Anyway, I hope that helps.
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On September 03 2012 05:26 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 05:15 farvacola wrote:On September 03 2012 05:12 aksfjh wrote:Let's reframe the question. Would you rather a) ban a substance that has been a cornerstone of society for millenia, or b) continue to ban a substance that carries the same public risk, but doesn't have the same cultural protection? Substantiate that claim please. It was posted earlier: http://healthland.time.com/2012/02/10/stoned-driving-nearly-doubles-the-risk-of-a-fatal-crash/It's a mind altering substance. It's fairly evident it would impair a driver or operator of machinery.
As I already posted, from that source,
Interestingly, researchers have also found that states that legalize medical marijuana have fewer fatal car crashes, largely because of a decline in drunk driving. In other words, people may be substituting marijuana for alcohol — and while it’s not advisable to drive under the influence of either — the net result, when it comes to traffic deaths, could be a reduction in harm because smoking pot raises the crash risk less than drinking does.
So by admission of your own source material, marijuana does not carry the same public risk.
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On September 03 2012 05:26 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 05:15 farvacola wrote:On September 03 2012 05:12 aksfjh wrote:Let's reframe the question. Would you rather a) ban a substance that has been a cornerstone of society for millenia, or b) continue to ban a substance that carries the same public risk, but doesn't have the same cultural protection? Substantiate that claim please. It was posted earlier: http://healthland.time.com/2012/02/10/stoned-driving-nearly-doubles-the-risk-of-a-fatal-crash/It's a mind altering substance. It's fairly evident it would impair a driver or operator of machinery.
It's a hallucinogenic. It changes your perspective, but a change in perspective does not correlate with motor skills.
There is no evidence that it would impair your ability. You're making the same assumptions as everyone else. Just because 1 person cannot drive while high doesn't mean everyone is like that.
Most people don't understand the effect pot is having on them. If you are not mentally strong and stable you shouldn't smoke pot because It alters your perception and some people cannot handle it.
I bet half of you would shit yourselves if you knew how many people are high while they are driving.
People try to argue that I am irresponsible because I drive while high? How about all the fuckers talking on their cell phones and all the other stupid distracting shit people do while driving. Technically I am the most responsible driver, but in this world things that make too much sense just don't work because everyone is that fucking stupid.
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1 - Total deaths from Cannabis overdose: 0
2 - Total deaths caused from alcohol, tobacco, and prescription drugs: hundreds of thousands per year.
3 - Marijuana's current status as illegal does not prevent anyone from smoking it who cares to. Depending on what poll you look at, 40-60 percent of the US population under the age of 21 has smoked at least once, and about 10-15 percent smoke regularly. We've all heard anecdotal evidence that high school age children often have a harder time acquiring beer than marijuana.
4 - Hundreds of thousands of Americans suffer from disease for which marijuana can provide some relief, but are denied access.
5 - Marijuana laws typically prosecute marijuana users on a similar level to users of cocaine, heroin, and meth.
6 - Many professionals are marijuana users. The stereotype of a lazy fuck-up exists for smokers and non-smokers alike. Some notable smokers include Bill Gates, Rick Steves, Pablo Picasso, Steve Jobs, Carl Sagan, Stephen Jay Gould, Francis Crick, Andrew Weil, Kary Mullis, Oliver Sacks, Richard Feynman, and the list goes on and on if you care to look.
7 - If marijuana was legalized, the gateway drug argument would be rendered moot. It would separate its black market dealings from other drugs such as heroin and cocaine. It would be controlled and regulated, and would not lead to harder drugs any more than alcohol or tobacco would.
8 - Studies have shown that marijuana use does not negatively impact your brain, but it is a moot point when discussing legality. Alcohol is 100% proven to damage your brain, liver, and many other systems in your body, and yet it remains legal. Cannabis' negative physical side effects are at the worst controversial, and at best hardly existent. This is not a basis for prohibition.
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On September 03 2012 05:13 Vorgrim wrote:
Unlikely to happen considering recent studies drawing parallels between teenage use and mental deficiency in later life. Fact it mostly goes along with tobacco addiction for the majority I've ever met is probably the largest downside. It's how I got introduced to and hooked on nicotene for 15 years.
Ofc sending people to jail for having a spliff occasionally is bullshit, but that doesn't mean it's something that should be encouraged, which legalizing something would be all but doing. Less strict laws, enforcement and sentencing are the answer, where that doesn't already occur.
I don't think many people advocate legalizing it for minors. You do know that it is illegal to purchase or consume alcohol as a minor, right? (In fact it still is for 3 years after you're done being a minor!) Legalizing it might not necessarily make it easier for kids to get--I know that in high school for example it was way easier to get weed than booze. If you eliminated weed dealers, and only allowed it to be sold at registered and licensed locations, it would be easier to keep out of kids' hands specfically.
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On September 03 2012 05:09 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 05:08 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 05:04 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 05:01 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 04:58 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:55 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 04:51 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:50 Sroobz wrote:On September 03 2012 04:47 mememolly wrote:On September 03 2012 04:45 Sroobz wrote:
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Are you kidding? Tewks44 post is just nonsense that literally talks about nothing.
yeah but he talks nonsense that supports OmiDeLta's "argument" OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend! Seriously though, I smoke weed regularly and I still get 4.0s in college (always have). I still have a girlfriend (long-distance) and I have never beaten her (hey alcoholics). My family and I still get along well. I have a ton of friends that drink and smoke. Omg weed ruined my life. Mocking people isn't nice, you know. "OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend!" is a backhanded insult to others in the thread so for you to complain about people mocking others is somewhat ironic I said that in response to his post about correllation and causality, NOT to his post bashing Joe Rogan. It was still an insult to others in the thread as you implied that everyone else was not rational. About that particular subject, you are correct, nobody else was being rational. If correllation didn't imply causation, how would we ever get anywhere? Correllation is potential, potential is to be explored. It just so happens I was right that time. WHO KNOWS, maybe the individual reactions to marijuana are different but from what I've seen that does not seem likely. You said that because your friends are fuckups and smoked weed then weed is obviously at fault and therefore bad, that is irrational and asinine. So, no, you were not right. Sorry. MY FRIENDS WERE NOT FUCKUPS. How dare you assume such a horrible thing.
You should watch Fox News. They use fake data lies and emotional propaganda to lure their audience in. You would be at home there.
Let's see what happens in Colorado, Oregon, and Washington this year.
Also, I'd like to have you look at Tommy Chong, Bill Clinton, Obama, etc...your main argument is that smoking weed lowers intelligence. Have you ever listened to any of these guys speak? They are extremely intelligent people.
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The fact is there are more arguments to make alchohol illegal than there are to keep weed illegal it all comes down to public perception, pot is an illegal street drug therefor it is bad, alchohol is a part of human culture and it is legal so it is good. Anyone who knows both raging alchoholics and raging potheads can tell you that alchohol can have a far bigger negative influence than pot ever could. Also there are many legal drugs that have effects ranging from similar to weed to far more extreme and addictive such as Percoset, Zanex, Lorazapam, Morphine ect. of course one could say these drugs have serious medical applications, but tell me what is the difference from someone who uses zanex to controll anxiety and someone who uses pot, well one is a criminal but other than that not much. In fact one of those drugs, Percoset, which if you dont know is basically legal heroine, is perscribed by doctors nationwide yet the black market is flooded with it being sold for recreational purposes. The government is not going to ban percoset however because the medical companies that produce it are in bed with the people who make the laws. Some may say i am a nut but the facts are all arouned us. I am not saying pot is good for you or that it cant cause problems in your life if used excessivly but I am saying that it is alot less dangerous than some of the legal drugs that are being sold at your local pharmacy.
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