On September 03 2012 04:48 TMiweedamins wrote: Do NOT LEGALIZE IT! unless for only personal cultivation,otherwise it will get so pumped with chemicals by large companies trying to find a cheap potent solution for a bad quality product, example the large cigarette companies, and what they did with their products.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Too bad for your argument that correlation doesn't imply causality.
correlation DOES imply causality. Correlation doesn't CONFIRM causality, but it does IMPLY causality. If we followed your logic than there would be absolutely no purpose of scientific studies because scientific studies are based around identifying correlations and extrapolating whether or not it is due to causation or not. People are so eager to say correlation doesn't imply causation as if correlation excludes any possibility of causation, which is the exact opposite of what correlation suggests.
Oh my goodness. A rational person. -clings to you- Be my friend. Why do you think I asked questions? Correllation implied causality, which was why I asked questions and later got them confirmed.
Are you kidding? Tewks44 post is just nonsense that literally talks about nothing.
yeah but he talks nonsense that supports OmiDeLta's "argument"
OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend!
Seriously though, I smoke weed regularly and I still get 4.0s in college (always have). I still have a girlfriend (long-distance) and I have never beaten her (hey alcoholics). My family and I still get along well. I have a ton of friends that drink and smoke. Omg weed ruined my life.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Too bad for your argument that correlation doesn't imply causality.
correlation DOES imply causality. Correlation doesn't CONFIRM causality, but it does IMPLY causality. If we followed your logic than there would be absolutely no purpose of scientific studies because scientific studies are based around identifying correlations and extrapolating whether or not it is due to causation or not. People are so eager to say correlation doesn't imply causation as if correlation excludes any possibility of causation, which is the exact opposite of what correlation suggests.
Oh my goodness. A rational person. -clings to you- Be my friend. Why do you think I asked questions? Correllation implied causality, which was why I asked questions and later got them confirmed.
You need to show us those confirmations, I do agree that correlation (although yours is extremely small scale and rather vague) can imply causality but frankly all the evidence I've ever seen either completely debunks the "political" take on it or is so outlandish and dissproven by credible scientists across the world that you can't even take it into account....
You need to start researching things yourself, not "researching" via being told where to look... If that is how research is done, we'd be stuck believing that the earth was the center of the universe and that magical beings control the weather.
I told you I can show you them by Tuesday at the earliest because I was stupid and did not write them down. I have to get them again. I'll PM them to you if you want. I thought we could be rational about this whole thing but apparently just because I disagree - even if it is for a valid reason - I am constantly attacked. Hah, you know what they say about fighting on the internet...
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Too bad for your argument that correlation doesn't imply causality.
correlation DOES imply causality. Correlation doesn't CONFIRM causality, but it does IMPLY causality. If we followed your logic than there would be absolutely no purpose of scientific studies because scientific studies are based around identifying correlations and extrapolating whether or not it is due to causation or not. People are so eager to say correlation doesn't imply causation as if correlation excludes any possibility of causation, which is the exact opposite of what correlation suggests.
Oh my goodness. A rational person. -clings to you- Be my friend. Why do you think I asked questions? Correllation implied causality, which was why I asked questions and later got them confirmed.
Are you kidding? Tewks44 post is just nonsense that literally talks about nothing.
yeah but he talks nonsense that supports OmiDeLta's "argument"
OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend!
Seriously though, I smoke weed regularly and I still get 4.0s in college (always have). I still have a girlfriend (long-distance) and I have never beaten her (hey alcoholics). My family and I still get along well. I have a ton of friends that drink and smoke. Omg weed ruined my life.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Too bad for your argument that correlation doesn't imply causality.
correlation DOES imply causality. Correlation doesn't CONFIRM causality, but it does IMPLY causality. If we followed your logic than there would be absolutely no purpose of scientific studies because scientific studies are based around identifying correlations and extrapolating whether or not it is due to causation or not. People are so eager to say correlation doesn't imply causation as if correlation excludes any possibility of causation, which is the exact opposite of what correlation suggests.
Oh my goodness. A rational person. -clings to you- Be my friend. Why do you think I asked questions? Correllation implied causality, which was why I asked questions and later got them confirmed.
Are you kidding? Tewks44 post is just nonsense that literally talks about nothing.
how is my post nonsense. He posts a study that instantly gets dismissed due to the fact there's correlation. I explained that correlation implies causation and dismissing a study due to the fact there's correlation is a flawed approach. I think that counts as adding content to the discussion.
EVeryone should simply watch this before they have an argument ^^ and then either debunk it or find evidence that supports it. The video is filled with evidence though.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Too bad for your argument that correlation doesn't imply causality.
correlation DOES imply causality. Correlation doesn't CONFIRM causality, but it does IMPLY causality. If we followed your logic than there would be absolutely no purpose of scientific studies because scientific studies are based around identifying correlations and extrapolating whether or not it is due to causation or not. People are so eager to say correlation doesn't imply causation as if correlation excludes any possibility of causation, which is the exact opposite of what correlation suggests.
Oh my goodness. A rational person. -clings to you- Be my friend. Why do you think I asked questions? Correllation implied causality, which was why I asked questions and later got them confirmed.
You need to show us those confirmations, I do agree that correlation (although yours is extremely small scale and rather vague) can imply causality but frankly all the evidence I've ever seen either completely debunks the "political" take on it or is so outlandish and dissproven by credible scientists across the world that you can't even take it into account....
You need to start researching things yourself, not "researching" via being told where to look... If that is how research is done, we'd be stuck believing that the earth was the center of the universe and that magical beings control the weather.
I told you I can show you them by Tuesday at the earliest because I was stupid and did not write them down. I have to get them again. I'll PM them to you if you want. I thought we could be rational about this whole thing but apparently just because I disagree - even if it is for a valid reason - I am constantly attacked. Hah, you know what they say about fighting on the internet...
Idiots always lose the fight? T.T No I joke, but you can't come on and say a bunch of ridiculous statements and show random pictures on brain scans without any explination as to what they mean and expect not to get shit on.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
To your story, i can guarantee you that your friends would of found anything else to abuse. The point is that your friends have alot of pain, mental, whether its an illness or trauma, and that their behavior dictates that they need something to ease the pain, it's easy to abuse substances. Weed is excellent for mental pains.
It implies it. It does not equal it. Implication does not mean something is automatically there. Implication means something MIGHT be there. Hence why I asked.
Seriously, you're using Wikipedia as a reference? ...I find it hard to take you seriously that way.
Dude earlier in the thread you referenced a 2004 blog entry written by a student at Bryn Mawr. Almost every cited link was dead, and the writing was laughably horrendous.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
how is this any different than the people who regularly smoke pot, dismiss all valid evidence against pot as "junk science" even though they have no idea how the data was actually collected, and all their knowledge of the subject is based on biased articles and stoned conversations with friends. It's not really fair to tell people with an opposing opinion to "stay the fuck out of this debate" and to be honest it's quite juvenile. There does seem to be evidence that marijuana use can negatively impact intelligence if used during adolescence (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/27/teen-marijuana-use-associated-with-drop-in-intelligence), and it increases the chance of an individual to develop schizophrenia. (http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/07/marijuana-linked-with-earlier-onset-of-schizophrenia-in-research-review/)
whether or not it should be illegal is a different issue, but there is no need to be so condescending to people with a different view.
Provide a single documentation of a death resulted from Pot, if you cannot than you should refrain from calling all these "studies" respectable. The answer if you're curious, and you can look everywhere, is that there is not a single death casued by marijuana since... Well the dawn of [i]fucking[/l] time but other legal drugs such alcohol are permitted without a thought that they are the direct result of 100 thousand deaths per year (approximately)
I watched a documentary that studied the effects it had on driving before and after smoking and it turned out the guy drove better while stoned. I also drive better while stoned.
All these research studies have no merit. Don't trust any of them. They probably tested it on someone who never smoked pot before and was completely ripped and retarded.
I'm getting really, really tired of potheads who run around with their heads up their assholes screaming "I'M LITERALLY BETTER AT EVERYTHING IN LIFE WHILE I'M HIGH! WHY DOES NOBODY BELIEVE ME?!"
People have used the excuse that they're better at all kinds of things under the influence of alcohol as well, and it's nearly always found that the opposite is true.
On September 03 2012 04:25 OmiDeLta wrote: [quote]
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Too bad for your argument that correlation doesn't imply causality.
correlation DOES imply causality. Correlation doesn't CONFIRM causality, but it does IMPLY causality. If we followed your logic than there would be absolutely no purpose of scientific studies because scientific studies are based around identifying correlations and extrapolating whether or not it is due to causation or not. People are so eager to say correlation doesn't imply causation as if correlation excludes any possibility of causation, which is the exact opposite of what correlation suggests.
Oh my goodness. A rational person. -clings to you- Be my friend. Why do you think I asked questions? Correllation implied causality, which was why I asked questions and later got them confirmed.
Are you kidding? Tewks44 post is just nonsense that literally talks about nothing.
yeah but he talks nonsense that supports OmiDeLta's "argument"
OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend!
Seriously though, I smoke weed regularly and I still get 4.0s in college (always have). I still have a girlfriend (long-distance) and I have never beaten her (hey alcoholics). My family and I still get along well. I have a ton of friends that drink and smoke. Omg weed ruined my life.
Mocking people isn't nice, you know.
Your new found friend that you cling to insulted someone in a video without any support...
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Too bad for your argument that correlation doesn't imply causality.
correlation DOES imply causality. Correlation doesn't CONFIRM causality, but it does IMPLY causality. If we followed your logic than there would be absolutely no purpose of scientific studies because scientific studies are based around identifying correlations and extrapolating whether or not it is due to causation or not. People are so eager to say correlation doesn't imply causation as if correlation excludes any possibility of causation, which is the exact opposite of what correlation suggests.
Oh my goodness. A rational person. -clings to you- Be my friend. Why do you think I asked questions? Correllation implied causality, which was why I asked questions and later got them confirmed.
Are you kidding? Tewks44 post is just nonsense that literally talks about nothing.
yeah but he talks nonsense that supports OmiDeLta's "argument"
OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend!
Seriously though, I smoke weed regularly and I still get 4.0s in college (always have). I still have a girlfriend (long-distance) and I have never beaten her (hey alcoholics). My family and I still get along well. I have a ton of friends that drink and smoke. Omg weed ruined my life.
Sorry, the pro-weed people already bashed someone from using anecdotal evidence, so it's only fair that I should do the same.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
To your story, i can guarantee you that your friends would of found anything else to abuse. The point is that your friends have alot of pain, mental, whether its an illness or trauma, and that their behavior dictates that they need something to ease the pain, it's easy to abuse substances. Weed is excellent for mental pains.
It implies it. It does not equal it. Implication does not mean something is automatically there. Implication means something MIGHT be there. Hence why I asked.
Seriously, you're using Wikipedia as a reference? ...I find it hard to take you seriously that way.
Dude earlier in the thread you referenced a 2004 blog entry written by a student at Bryn Mawr. Almost every cited link was dead, and the writing was laughably horrendous.
I already told you I found that in haste and apologized. My original sources -are not on hand-, for the fourth or fifth time, there is nothing I can DO about that.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
how is this any different than the people who regularly smoke pot, dismiss all valid evidence against pot as "junk science" even though they have no idea how the data was actually collected, and all their knowledge of the subject is based on biased articles and stoned conversations with friends. It's not really fair to tell people with an opposing opinion to "stay the fuck out of this debate" and to be honest it's quite juvenile. There does seem to be evidence that marijuana use can negatively impact intelligence if used during adolescence (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/27/teen-marijuana-use-associated-with-drop-in-intelligence), and it increases the chance of an individual to develop schizophrenia. (http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/07/marijuana-linked-with-earlier-onset-of-schizophrenia-in-research-review/)
whether or not it should be illegal is a different issue, but there is no need to be so condescending to people with a different view.
Provide a single documentation of a death resulted from Pot, if you cannot than you should refrain from calling all these "studies" respectable. The answer if you're curious, and you can look everywhere, is that there is not a single death casued by marijuana since... Well the dawn of [i]fucking[/l] time but other legal drugs such alcohol are permitted without a thought that they are the direct result of 100 thousand deaths per year (approximately)
I watched a documentary that studied the effects it had on driving before and after smoking and it turned out the guy drove better while stoned. I also drive better while stoned.
All these research studies have no merit. Don't trust any of them. They probably tested it on someone who never smoked pot before and was completely ripped and retarded.
I'm getting really, really tired of potheads who run around with their heads up their assholes screaming "I'M LITERALLY BETTER AT EVERYTHING IN LIFE WHILE I'M HIGH! WHY DOES NOBODY BELIEVE ME?!"
People have used the excuse that they're better at all kinds of things under the influence of alcohol as well, and it's nearly always found that the opposite is true.
It should be noted that this really has nothing to do with the legalization of pot, idiots will be idiots and unless it is proven that pot improves driving (which may be an extremely subjective phenomenon) than people should refrain from telling everyone they're irresponsible.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
To your story, i can guarantee you that your friends would of found anything else to abuse. The point is that your friends have alot of pain, mental, whether its an illness or trauma, and that their behavior dictates that they need something to ease the pain, it's easy to abuse substances. Weed is excellent for mental pains.
It implies it. It does not equal it. Implication does not mean something is automatically there. Implication means something MIGHT be there. Hence why I asked.
Seriously, you're using Wikipedia as a reference? ...I find it hard to take you seriously that way.
Dude earlier in the thread you referenced a 2004 blog entry written by a student at Bryn Mawr. Almost every cited link was dead, and the writing was laughably horrendous.
I already told you I found that in haste and apologized. My original sources -are not on hand-, for the fourth or fifth time, there is nothing I can DO about that.
It's hard to take you seriously because you used that source, sorry buddy.
On September 03 2012 04:25 OmiDeLta wrote: [quote]
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Too bad for your argument that correlation doesn't imply causality.
correlation DOES imply causality. Correlation doesn't CONFIRM causality, but it does IMPLY causality. If we followed your logic than there would be absolutely no purpose of scientific studies because scientific studies are based around identifying correlations and extrapolating whether or not it is due to causation or not. People are so eager to say correlation doesn't imply causation as if correlation excludes any possibility of causation, which is the exact opposite of what correlation suggests.
Oh my goodness. A rational person. -clings to you- Be my friend. Why do you think I asked questions? Correllation implied causality, which was why I asked questions and later got them confirmed.
Are you kidding? Tewks44 post is just nonsense that literally talks about nothing.
yeah but he talks nonsense that supports OmiDeLta's "argument"
OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend!
Seriously though, I smoke weed regularly and I still get 4.0s in college (always have). I still have a girlfriend (long-distance) and I have never beaten her (hey alcoholics). My family and I still get along well. I have a ton of friends that drink and smoke. Omg weed ruined my life.
Mocking people isn't nice, you know.
"OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend!"
is a backhanded insult to others in the thread so for you to complain about people mocking others is somewhat ironic
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
To your story, i can guarantee you that your friends would of found anything else to abuse. The point is that your friends have alot of pain, mental, whether its an illness or trauma, and that their behavior dictates that they need something to ease the pain, it's easy to abuse substances. Weed is excellent for mental pains.
It implies it. It does not equal it. Implication does not mean something is automatically there. Implication means something MIGHT be there. Hence why I asked.
Seriously, you're using Wikipedia as a reference? ...I find it hard to take you seriously that way.
Dude earlier in the thread you referenced a 2004 blog entry written by a student at Bryn Mawr. Almost every cited link was dead, and the writing was laughably horrendous.
I already told you I found that in haste and apologized. My original sources -are not on hand-, for the fourth or fifth time, there is nothing I can DO about that.
It's hard to take you seriously because you used that source, sorry buddy.
Ohhhhh it's that whole "first impressions" thing now isn't it.
On September 03 2012 04:32 mememolly wrote: [quote]
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Too bad for your argument that correlation doesn't imply causality.
correlation DOES imply causality. Correlation doesn't CONFIRM causality, but it does IMPLY causality. If we followed your logic than there would be absolutely no purpose of scientific studies because scientific studies are based around identifying correlations and extrapolating whether or not it is due to causation or not. People are so eager to say correlation doesn't imply causation as if correlation excludes any possibility of causation, which is the exact opposite of what correlation suggests.
Oh my goodness. A rational person. -clings to you- Be my friend. Why do you think I asked questions? Correllation implied causality, which was why I asked questions and later got them confirmed.
Are you kidding? Tewks44 post is just nonsense that literally talks about nothing.
yeah but he talks nonsense that supports OmiDeLta's "argument"
OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend!
Seriously though, I smoke weed regularly and I still get 4.0s in college (always have). I still have a girlfriend (long-distance) and I have never beaten her (hey alcoholics). My family and I still get along well. I have a ton of friends that drink and smoke. Omg weed ruined my life.
Mocking people isn't nice, you know.
Your new found friend that you cling to insulted someone in a video without any support...
I bashed Joe Rogan for believing in absurdities such as grand conspiracy theories, ancient aliens, super advanced civilizations that existed 10,000 years ago, among many others. Any support can be found in a number of his podcasts. However, I do admit that was an ad-hominen attack, and therefore irrelevant, it is still hard for me to take Joe Rogan seriously.
isn't the whole stoner culture thing to live and let live? why all the anger? one guy says its the devil, another guy says its heaven, another guy says "i'm high as shit balls."
whats the problem here? i mean, i'm all for the argument and all, and analyzing and what not, but let's try to keep the daggers in their sheaths, eh?
On September 03 2012 04:32 mememolly wrote: [quote]
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Too bad for your argument that correlation doesn't imply causality.
correlation DOES imply causality. Correlation doesn't CONFIRM causality, but it does IMPLY causality. If we followed your logic than there would be absolutely no purpose of scientific studies because scientific studies are based around identifying correlations and extrapolating whether or not it is due to causation or not. People are so eager to say correlation doesn't imply causation as if correlation excludes any possibility of causation, which is the exact opposite of what correlation suggests.
Oh my goodness. A rational person. -clings to you- Be my friend. Why do you think I asked questions? Correllation implied causality, which was why I asked questions and later got them confirmed.
Are you kidding? Tewks44 post is just nonsense that literally talks about nothing.
yeah but he talks nonsense that supports OmiDeLta's "argument"
OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend!
Seriously though, I smoke weed regularly and I still get 4.0s in college (always have). I still have a girlfriend (long-distance) and I have never beaten her (hey alcoholics). My family and I still get along well. I have a ton of friends that drink and smoke. Omg weed ruined my life.
Mocking people isn't nice, you know.
"OMG! A rational person -clings to you- be my friend!"
is a backhanded insult to others in the thread so for you to complain about people mocking others is somewhat ironic
I said that in response to his post about correllation and causality, NOT to his post bashing Joe Rogan.
On September 03 2012 04:56 sc2superfan101 wrote: isn't the whole stoner culture thing to live and let live? why all the anger? one guy says its the devil, another guy says its heaven, another guy says "i'm high as shit balls."
whats the problem here? i mean, i'm all for the argument and all, and analyzing and what not, but let's try to keep the daggers in their sheaths, eh?
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
To your story, i can guarantee you that your friends would of found anything else to abuse. The point is that your friends have alot of pain, mental, whether its an illness or trauma, and that their behavior dictates that they need something to ease the pain, it's easy to abuse substances. Weed is excellent for mental pains.
It implies it. It does not equal it. Implication does not mean something is automatically there. Implication means something MIGHT be there. Hence why I asked.
Seriously, you're using Wikipedia as a reference? ...I find it hard to take you seriously that way.
because wiki has most researches that everyone has been linking , in a more organized way. is there a problem? Also, do you agree that your buddies would of used some other substance if THC did not exist?
Also, i don't think you understand the difference between correlation and causation. Correlation can be as simple as: the tree is green, my t shirt is green. And what you are doing is you are implying that i am a tree. A causation is something more concrete, like, i eat, which causes me to poop.
EPT
you are only embarrassing yourselves.
