On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Too bad for your argument that correlation doesn't imply causality.
correlation DOES imply causality. Correlation doesn't CONFIRM causality, but it does IMPLY causality. If we followed your logic than there would be absolutely no purpose of scientific studies because scientific studies are based around identifying correlations and extrapolating whether or not it is due to causation or not. People are so eager to say correlation doesn't imply causation as if correlation excludes any possibility of causation, which is the exact opposite of what correlation suggests.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Your argument is about as valid as a mother blaming video games for life's problems. Your "correlation" is not only subjective but stating the deaths of single persons (which is completely unrelated to marijuana I might add) is also statistically irrelevant. A lot of us have had people die close to us from different reasons, a friend of mines head got crushed while drunk holding onto the back of a car skateboarding and managed to get under the tire, you have sympathy but not an argument so stop referring to it, I wouldnt go "ban drinking" because my friend was being an idiot under the influence.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
His assumption isn't very far off base, you sound like you watched some ridiculous moviie in PDR class during Jr. Highschool that "scared you straight" and then just blindly followed everything you hear.
With addition, you've also said some extremely ridiculous statements and have yet to refute a single comment from anyone you "disagree with" aside from posting an image about as valid as the Tronto vs Monttreal T-Shirt I posted.
You comparing what happened to a couple of my friends to a "ridiculous movie" is HIGHLY insulting.
you could learn a lot from watching this
I'm sorry, but Joe Rogan is an idiot. Listening to him going on about ancient aliens and mysterious super advanced ancient civilizations basically made him lose all credibility for me.
Ironic that you just had a previous post how "people who don't smoke pot have just as much viable opinion as people who do" but a person who believes or suggests things that frankly neither you nor I can prove or dissprove is instantly at a loss of credibility because you think it's ridiculous.
Hypocrites... Hypocrites everywhere....
Where did I ever say my friends died? They did not die.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
His assumption isn't very far off base, you sound like you watched some ridiculous moviie in PDR class during Jr. Highschool that "scared you straight" and then just blindly followed everything you hear.
With addition, you've also said some extremely ridiculous statements and have yet to refute a single comment from anyone you "disagree with" aside from posting an image about as valid as the Tronto vs Monttreal T-Shirt I posted.
You comparing what happened to a couple of my friends to a "ridiculous movie" is HIGHLY insulting.
I'm sorry, but Joe Rogan is an idiot. Listening to him going on about ancient aliens and mysterious super advanced ancient civilizations basically made him lose all credibility for me.
again, no logical argument against what he is saying, just ad-hominem attacks
As I edited in a post earlier, it's mildly ironinc that he would post an ad-hominem attack after just recently condemning a poster for doing a similar (not exactly the same) act with regards to why non-users or people who don't study the subject in depth should have no opinion.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Too bad for your argument that correlation doesn't imply causality.
correlation DOES imply causality. Correlation doesn't CONFIRM causality, but it does IMPLY causality. If we followed your logic than there would be absolutely no purpose of scientific studies because scientific studies are based around identifying correlations and extrapolating whether or not it is due to causation or not. People are so eager to say correlation doesn't imply causation as if correlation excludes any possibility of causation, which is the exact opposite of what correlation suggests.
Oh my goodness. A rational person. -clings to you- Be my friend. Why do you think I asked questions? Correllation implied causality, which was why I asked questions and later got them confirmed.
Not only should weed be legalized, but all drugs should be decriminalized (use is legalized, distribution is criminal). Drug use is a medical issue, not a criminal one.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
how is this any different than the people who regularly smoke pot, dismiss all valid evidence against pot as "junk science" even though they have no idea how the data was actually collected, and all their knowledge of the subject is based on biased articles and stoned conversations with friends. It's not really fair to tell people with an opposing opinion to "stay the fuck out of this debate" and to be honest it's quite juvenile. There does seem to be evidence that marijuana use can negatively impact intelligence if used during adolescence (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/27/teen-marijuana-use-associated-with-drop-in-intelligence), and it increases the chance of an individual to develop schizophrenia. (http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/07/marijuana-linked-with-earlier-onset-of-schizophrenia-in-research-review/)
whether or not it should be illegal is a different issue, but there is no need to be so condescending to people with a different view.
Provide a single documentation of a death resulted from Pot, if you cannot than you should refrain from calling all these "studies" respectable. The answer if you're curious, and you can look everywhere, is that there is not a single death casued by marijuana since... Well the dawn of [i]fucking[/l] time but other legal drugs such alcohol are permitted without a thought that they are the direct result of 100 thousand deaths per year (approximately)
That's no different from drinking and driving. Legalizing pot doesn't mean driving stoned is suddenly legal. Obviously pot has an effect on your reaction times, but the same goes for alcohol and lots of medication. Driving under the influence of those is illegal too.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
To your story, i can guarantee you that your friends would of found anything else to abuse. The point is that your friends have alot of pain, mental, whether its an illness or trauma, and that their behavior dictates that they need something to ease the pain, it's easy to abuse substances. Weed is excellent for mental pains.
On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote: I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument.
There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...."
Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy.
On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote: There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales. The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america. Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market
Really no reason?
Key + Explanation, please? We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted...
Here's the big difference between alcohol and marijuana. One drink will not *necessarily* get you drunk, depending on your tolerance level and body type. One joint will get you high without fail. Yet people say alcohol is more dangerous.
Does not compute.
People go through a drink by themselves, while joints are almost always shared among a group. A full joint will most likely get a person quite stoned, but 1/4-1/3 of one isn't nearly as bad. And with a decent tolerance, that 1/4 of a joint really won't do that much.
And when they say alcohol is more dangerous, they mean the physical effects it has. And it's just true that alcohol is comparatively worse for you. Driving drunk is worse than high, you can't get weed poisoning, you don't throw up after a night of too much weed, etc. Weed can get a person high faster, but to say that alcohol is safer than weed in any way is just.... new to me.
EDIT: Don't get me wrong though, I think a person who says that it's not at all dangerous is just as ignorant as anyone else.
The thing with alcohol is if one or possibly two drinks a day is all you drink, then you aren't going to have any harmful effects because the body is able to expunge it effectively. More, yes, is dangerous. But, another thing you have to consider is that drinking near people doesn't affect them through the alcohol, whereas smoking marijuana near others will affect them through the drug.
A contact high is actually very hard to get without trying. You'd have to be at a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert or something like that to have an noticeable effects. But, your comparison is pretty valid. The stigma of non-smoking areas and cigarettes will definitely be used against weed. There are all alternatives, but the truth is that smoking will bring up a lot of issues about smokers being near non-smokers. Really, the only issue will be the smell, but that will be enough to grossly offend some people.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Now I know it's bullshit! My friends and I only played more, and more Magic when we were done. Kidding aside, I hope you're lying/trolling, otherwise this is very sad. Sorry
On September 03 2012 04:42 Kurumi wrote: I have a question: Is the money involved in marijuana so small that nobody is interested in running a huge legal business? This is something that baffles me, it seems like common folk or "non-important" politicians are for legalizing it. The argument to legalize marijuana could be easily made, but it seems there's no one with power interested in doing that, because if there was, we wouldn't have that debate, am I right?
Marijuana is a multi-billion dollar industry just nationally in the States and arguably again in Canada alone and that is not directly relating the profit margins with respect to the massive hemp productions, the main reason marijuana is not legal is due to its industrial value with regards to paper companies. If hemp came into business... well let's just say their is a major reason why the declaration of independence is almost in perfect condition and has been even before it was pampered ^^. Hemp > paper 10fold.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
how is this any different than the people who regularly smoke pot, dismiss all valid evidence against pot as "junk science" even though they have no idea how the data was actually collected, and all their knowledge of the subject is based on biased articles and stoned conversations with friends. It's not really fair to tell people with an opposing opinion to "stay the fuck out of this debate" and to be honest it's quite juvenile. There does seem to be evidence that marijuana use can negatively impact intelligence if used during adolescence (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/27/teen-marijuana-use-associated-with-drop-in-intelligence), and it increases the chance of an individual to develop schizophrenia. (http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/07/marijuana-linked-with-earlier-onset-of-schizophrenia-in-research-review/)
whether or not it should be illegal is a different issue, but there is no need to be so condescending to people with a different view.
Provide a single documentation of a death resulted from Pot, if you cannot than you should refrain from calling all these "studies" respectable. The answer if you're curious, and you can look everywhere, is that there is not a single death casued by marijuana since... Well the dawn of [i]fucking[/l] time but other legal drugs such alcohol are permitted without a thought that they are the direct result of 100 thousand deaths per year (approximately)
I watched a documentary that studied the effects it had on driving before and after smoking and it turned out the guy drove better while stoned. I also drive better while stoned.
All these research studies have no merit. Don't trust any of them. They probably tested it on someone who never smoked pot before and was completely ripped and retarded.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Too bad for your argument that correlation doesn't imply causality.
correlation DOES imply causality. Correlation doesn't CONFIRM causality, but it does IMPLY causality. If we followed your logic than there would be absolutely no purpose of scientific studies because scientific studies are based around identifying correlations and extrapolating whether or not it is due to causation or not. People are so eager to say correlation doesn't imply causation as if correlation excludes any possibility of causation, which is the exact opposite of what correlation suggests.
Oh my goodness. A rational person. -clings to you- Be my friend. Why do you think I asked questions? Correllation implied causality, which was why I asked questions and later got them confirmed.
Are you kidding? Tewks44 post is just nonsense that literally talks about nothing.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Too bad for your argument that correlation doesn't imply causality.
correlation DOES imply causality. Correlation doesn't CONFIRM causality, but it does IMPLY causality. If we followed your logic than there would be absolutely no purpose of scientific studies because scientific studies are based around identifying correlations and extrapolating whether or not it is due to causation or not. People are so eager to say correlation doesn't imply causation as if correlation excludes any possibility of causation, which is the exact opposite of what correlation suggests.
Oh my goodness. A rational person. -clings to you- Be my friend. Why do you think I asked questions? Correllation implied causality, which was why I asked questions and later got them confirmed.
Are you kidding? Tewks44 post is just nonsense that literally talks about nothing.
yeah but he talks nonsense that supports OmiDeLta's "argument"
It would be worth legalizing marijuana just so stoners might stop going on and on and on about how awesome it is. Never used it, never will and accept that others do. Having to read/listen to the bizarre stoner's pride, however, gets really tiresome.
"i drive better while stoned bra!" argument is as bad as the "i once knew a guy who was stoned and he died. true story" argument. both are completely anecdotal.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Too bad for your argument that correlation doesn't imply causality.
correlation DOES imply causality. Correlation doesn't CONFIRM causality, but it does IMPLY causality. If we followed your logic than there would be absolutely no purpose of scientific studies because scientific studies are based around identifying correlations and extrapolating whether or not it is due to causation or not. People are so eager to say correlation doesn't imply causation as if correlation excludes any possibility of causation, which is the exact opposite of what correlation suggests.
Oh my goodness. A rational person. -clings to you- Be my friend. Why do you think I asked questions? Correllation implied causality, which was why I asked questions and later got them confirmed.
You need to show us those confirmations, I do agree that correlation (although yours is extremely small scale and rather vague) can imply causality but frankly all the evidence I've ever seen either completely debunks the "political" take on it or is so outlandish and dissproven by credible scientists across the world that you can't even take it into account....
You need to start researching things yourself, not "researching" via being told where to look... If that is how research is done, we'd be stuck believing that the earth was the center of the universe and that magical beings control the weather.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
To your story, i can guarantee you that your friends would of found anything else to abuse. The point is that your friends have alot of pain, mental, whether its an illness or trauma, and that their behavior dictates that they need something to ease the pain, it's easy to abuse substances. Weed is excellent for mental pains.
It implies it. It does not equal it. Implication does not mean something is automatically there. Implication means something MIGHT be there. Hence why I asked.
Seriously, you're using Wikipedia as a reference? ...I find it hard to take you seriously that way.
Do NOT LEGALIZE IT! unless for only personal cultivation,otherwise it will get so pumped with chemicals by large companies trying to find a cheap potent solution for a bad quality product, example the large cigarette companies, and what they did with their products.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
His assumption isn't very far off base, you sound like you watched some ridiculous moviie in PDR class during Jr. Highschool that "scared you straight" and then just blindly followed everything you hear.
With addition, you've also said some extremely ridiculous statements and have yet to refute a single comment from anyone you "disagree with" aside from posting an image about as valid as the Tronto vs Monttreal T-Shirt I posted.
You comparing what happened to a couple of my friends to a "ridiculous movie" is HIGHLY insulting.
I'm sorry, but Joe Rogan is an idiot. Listening to him going on about ancient aliens and mysterious super advanced ancient civilizations basically made him lose all credibility for me.
again, no logical argument against what he is saying, just ad-hominem attacks
As I edited in a post earlier, it's mildly ironinc that he would post an ad-hominem attack after just recently condemning a poster for doing a similar (not exactly the same) act with regards to why non-users or people who don't study the subject in depth should have no opinion.
I do admit, I did resort to an ad-hominen attack which was regrettable, but the user I previously "condemned" basically said "if you have never smoked pot you can't have an opinion on the subject" which I think is a ridiculous assertion to make. He didn't say anything about people who study the subject in depth, and even said that ANY study that suggests marijuana is harmful is "junk science" without explaining why it's junk science. Oh, and if it makes you guys feel better (because apparently you judge one's opinion based on whether or not they have consumed marijuana) I have used marijuana many, many times in the past, and I don't think it's terribly harmful. That being said, there is some evidence that using it does have risks.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
To your story, i can guarantee you that your friends would of found anything else to abuse. The point is that your friends have alot of pain, mental, whether its an illness or trauma, and that their behavior dictates that they need something to ease the pain, it's easy to abuse substances. Weed is excellent for mental pains.
It implies it. It does not equal it. Implication does not mean something is automatically there. Implication means something MIGHT be there. Hence why I asked.
Seriously, you're using Wikipedia as a reference? ...I find it hard to take you seriously that way.
coming from someone who is using anecdotal evidence? rofl
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
how is this any different than the people who regularly smoke pot, dismiss all valid evidence against pot as "junk science" even though they have no idea how the data was actually collected, and all their knowledge of the subject is based on biased articles and stoned conversations with friends. It's not really fair to tell people with an opposing opinion to "stay the fuck out of this debate" and to be honest it's quite juvenile. There does seem to be evidence that marijuana use can negatively impact intelligence if used during adolescence (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/27/teen-marijuana-use-associated-with-drop-in-intelligence), and it increases the chance of an individual to develop schizophrenia. (http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/07/marijuana-linked-with-earlier-onset-of-schizophrenia-in-research-review/)
whether or not it should be illegal is a different issue, but there is no need to be so condescending to people with a different view.
Provide a single documentation of a death resulted from Pot, if you cannot than you should refrain from calling all these "studies" respectable. The answer if you're curious, and you can look everywhere, is that there is not a single death casued by marijuana since... Well the dawn of [i]fucking[/l] time but other legal drugs such alcohol are permitted without a thought that they are the direct result of 100 thousand deaths per year (approximately)
That's no different from drinking and driving. Legalizing pot doesn't mean driving stoned is suddenly legal. Obviously pot has an effect on your reaction times, but the same goes for alcohol and lots of medication. Driving under the influence of those is illegal too.
It is significantly different from drinking and driving, because there is no way to prove that someone was stoned while driving, since concentration of psychoactive substances in the blood is not directly related to the effect on the brain. You can test for blood alcohol and know if the person is drunk or not, so it's easy to prove and punish. But if people know they can't be punished for stoned driving even if it's illegal they'll do it anyway.
EPT
you are only embarrassing yourselves.![[image loading]](http://www.encognitive.com/files/images/marijuana-weed-addict-addiction-user-brain-scan.jpeg)
