On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
That's like saying don't debate about the Iraq war because you havn't been there to kill people. Are you fucking serious? This isn't about if you like weed or not, this is about freedom and rights.
On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote: I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument.
There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...."
Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy.
On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote: There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales. The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america. Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market
Really no reason?
Key + Explanation, please? We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted...
Here's the big difference between alcohol and marijuana. One drink will not *necessarily* get you drunk, depending on your tolerance level and body type. One joint will get you high without fail. Yet people say alcohol is more dangerous.
Does not compute.
Holy shit. Talk about a fake propaganda site dude. Wake up!
Sure one drink doesn't get you drunk and one joint gets you high. But 20 joints won't kill you (ever) and 20 beers CAN kill you (depending on the person). Alcohol IS more dangerous because there are overdoses and people die OFTEN. No one dies from over smoking or eating marijuana.
It takes approximately (depending on different studies) upwards of 500 to 1000 lbs of marijuana smoked/consumed without stopping to kill a human being (this isn't cited, this is just what I recall from different texts on the subject, no one has EVER died from a marijuana OD though so it's not proven and just speculated)
On September 03 2012 04:15 OmiDeLta wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:09 farvacola wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote: I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument.
There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...."
Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy.
On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote: There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales. The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america. Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market
Really no reason?
Key + Explanation, please? We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted...
Check the image address and you'll find that the kind poster who offered forth this contextless pic enjoys getting his medical information from poorly sourced blogs and hearsay.
Edit: As evidenced by the additional post above, the dude has no idea how to vet a source.
Alright alright so I freaking rushed to get source info and didn't check everything properly, the source I WANTED to get is not available to me at the moment, which is no fault of my own as it does not belong to me. Forgive me for rushing.
You didn't happen to rush to get that ridiculous brain scan did you too then? ^^ Maybe the biggest issues with pro-banners is that they have almost zero scientific ground to stand on and rely on ridiculous reports that are completely politically motivated and hold no grounds... Hell Ronald R...R...Reagan and his band of imbeciles stated that it killed braincells when that is one of the most published lies known to date and it was actually the lack of oxygen to the monkeys that killed the brain cells.
No I actually combed through many different places to find that because my good source is, as I said, not owned by me. I wish I had it with me but I do not. In the end I did not pick a very good one and I apologize for that; and I am sorry that all my material is not within reach.
Don't ignore what I said. "Sure one drink doesn't get you drunk and one joint gets you high. But 20 joints won't kill you (ever) and 20 beers CAN kill you (depending on the person). Alcohol IS more dangerous because there are overdoses and people die OFTEN. No one dies from over smoking or eating marijuana."
So just because someone doesn't die that makes it okay for them to destroy their brain?
Sorry but to make such statements, you need some source(s)
most researches made on link between mental health and THC are negated by simple correlation versus causation argument (do people who smoke develop mental ilnesss, or do people who develop mental ilness also develop addiction to substances (in this case weed) to cope with the development of their respective mental ilness?)
So yea, if bunch of academics who spent their careers studying this subject cannot make such affirmations, i doubt you can, and should not make such statements.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
His assumption isn't very far off base, you sound like you watched some ridiculous moviie in PDR class during Jr. Highschool that "scared you straight" and then just blindly followed everything you hear.
With addition, you've also said some extremely ridiculous statements and have yet to refute a single comment from anyone you "disagree with" aside from posting an image about as valid as the Tronto vs Monttreal T-Shirt I posted.
You comparing what happened to a couple of my friends to a "ridiculous movie" is HIGHLY insulting.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
how is this any different than the people who regularly smoke pot, dismiss all valid evidence against pot as "junk science" even though they have no idea how the data was actually collected, and all their knowledge of the subject is based on biased articles and stoned conversations with friends. It's not really fair to tell people with an opposing opinion to "stay the fuck out of this debate" and to be honest it's quite juvenile. There does seem to be evidence that marijuana use can negatively impact intelligence if used during adolescence (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/27/teen-marijuana-use-associated-with-drop-in-intelligence), and it increases the chance of an individual to develop schizophrenia. (http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/07/marijuana-linked-with-earlier-onset-of-schizophrenia-in-research-review/)
whether or not it should be illegal is a different issue, but there is no need to be so condescending to people with a different view.
Provide a single documentation of a death resulted from Pot, if you cannot than you should refrain from calling all these "studies" respectable. The answer if you're curious, and you can look everywhere, is that there is not a single death casued by marijuana since... Well the dawn of [i]fucking[/l] time but other legal drugs such alcohol are permitted without a thought that they are the direct result of 100 thousand deaths per year (approximately)
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote: I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument.
There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...."
Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy.
On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote: There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales. The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america. Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market
Really no reason?
Key + Explanation, please? We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted...
Here's the big difference between alcohol and marijuana. One drink will not *necessarily* get you drunk, depending on your tolerance level and body type. One joint will get you high without fail. Yet people say alcohol is more dangerous.
Does not compute.
Holy shit. Talk about a fake propaganda site dude. Wake up!
Sure one drink doesn't get you drunk and one joint gets you high. But 20 joints won't kill you (ever) and 20 beers CAN kill you (depending on the person). Alcohol IS more dangerous because there are overdoses and people die OFTEN. No one dies from over smoking or eating marijuana.
It takes approximately (depending on different studies) upwards of 500 to 1000 lbs of marijuana smoked/consumed without stopping to kill a human being (this isn't cited, this is just what I recall from different texts on the subject, no one has EVER died from a marijuana OD though so it's not proven and just speculated)
On September 03 2012 04:15 OmiDeLta wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:09 farvacola wrote:
On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote: I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument.
There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...."
Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy.
On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote: There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales. The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america. Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market
Really no reason?
Key + Explanation, please? We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted...
Check the image address and you'll find that the kind poster who offered forth this contextless pic enjoys getting his medical information from poorly sourced blogs and hearsay.
Edit: As evidenced by the additional post above, the dude has no idea how to vet a source.
Alright alright so I freaking rushed to get source info and didn't check everything properly, the source I WANTED to get is not available to me at the moment, which is no fault of my own as it does not belong to me. Forgive me for rushing.
You didn't happen to rush to get that ridiculous brain scan did you too then? ^^ Maybe the biggest issues with pro-banners is that they have almost zero scientific ground to stand on and rely on ridiculous reports that are completely politically motivated and hold no grounds... Hell Ronald R...R...Reagan and his band of imbeciles stated that it killed braincells when that is one of the most published lies known to date and it was actually the lack of oxygen to the monkeys that killed the brain cells.
No I actually combed through many different places to find that because my good source is, as I said, not owned by me. I wish I had it with me but I do not. In the end I did not pick a very good one and I apologize for that; and I am sorry that all my material is not within reach.
Don't ignore what I said. "Sure one drink doesn't get you drunk and one joint gets you high. But 20 joints won't kill you (ever) and 20 beers CAN kill you (depending on the person). Alcohol IS more dangerous because there are overdoses and people die OFTEN. No one dies from over smoking or eating marijuana."
So just because someone doesn't die that makes it okay for them to destroy their brain?
5-6 drops in IQ (not destroying the brain) should be up to the individual person. If I can go to the store and buy a bottle of alcohol and overdose (not saying this happens often), I should be able to smoke weed and not risk overdose.
Almost everyone in this world tries to control others' decisions FAR too much. Such simple life choices that REALLY don't have side effects, like weed, should be up to the individual person.
On September 02 2012 22:46 Cereb wrote: I hate this subject. I once actually tried to find a bunch of unbiased well done research on the field but there is just so much shit out there on either side of the argument to go through so I just threw up my white flag to proclaim that I don't care.
So here is my totally uenducated and personal opinion:
Don't legalize it.
Why?
Because I don't use it. The end.
You'd think we already have enough stupid shit that is bad for us to amuse ourselves with. Tobacco, alcohol, chemically enhanced/addicting food, all sorts of poluting technological stuff, stupid tv shows...
Do you reeaally need one more thing?? Really? I can sort of understand why some people would want it in countries where you need to be a hundred year old to drink or smoke but maybe you just get that shit illegally then.
I don't understand why people care this much whether it's legalized or not unless you smoke yourself. There are a million other things out there that you could care about that is much more important in the world, but it seems to be one of the most repeated forum topic on every single forum I've ever been to. This is just such a biased topic with actual good scientific evidence of anything being very scarce.
You don't use it but you may need to some day to cure or cope with some kind of ailment. In America it's legal in close to 20 states for medical use. Why ? Because it helps. And this year it's on the ballot for other states as well, including my own.
Like how stupid are people? Do you really think they would legalize it for medical use if it wasn't a medicine of some sort? A cheap, growable, better alternative to those medications you spend thousands on each year.
Yeah, cause I'm clearly talking about medical use?? :/
I can barely understand what your point is. You can't just get whatever drug you want cause it has medical uses for some illnesses. More often than not you need a perscription from the doctor. Even if it's good for you in some cases, in others it's not. They are already giving way more crazy things from the doctor than weed so I don't really see how that is relevant to what I was saying :|
But I guess it wasn't really obvious to you so here it is: I am talking about everyday use for fun, not medical treatment.
And to my point there is so much bias already in this thread. People just subjectively pick and choose points and sigular studies to confirm their point. The issue is that for every shitty study saying one thing on this subject, there is another saying the exact opposite. The way people phrase things and also alot of the time it's just scenarios that people conjure in their own minds.
Like look at you - you can't even argue this without calling "people" idiots. I'd love to try that in my next article and see how far that gets me :p
Here's something that doesn't require a study. It drastically alters the state of mind of the user, making them unable to operate vehicles or even be around heavy equipment without endangering themselves and the people around them.
Are you implying that weed should be illegal based on this post?
If so, then you also think that alcohol should be illegal. Right?
Yes, but I also understand that alcohol has solidified its role in society and would be near impossible to remove at this point in time.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
how is this any different than the people who regularly smoke pot, dismiss all valid evidence against pot as "junk science" even though they have no idea how the data was actually collected, and all their knowledge of the subject is based on biased articles and stoned conversations with friends. It's not really fair to tell people with an opposing opinion to "stay the fuck out of this debate" and to be honest it's quite juvenile. There does seem to be evidence that marijuana use can negatively impact intelligence if used during adolescence (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/27/teen-marijuana-use-associated-with-drop-in-intelligence), and it increases the chance of an individual to develop schizophrenia. (http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/07/marijuana-linked-with-earlier-onset-of-schizophrenia-in-research-review/)
whether or not it should be illegal is a different issue, but there is no need to be so condescending to people with a different view.
Provide a single documentation of a death resulted from Pot, if you cannot than you should refrain from calling all these "studies" respectable. The answer if you're curious, and you can look everywhere, is that there is not a single death casued by marijuana since... Well the dawn of [i]fucking[/l] time but other legal drugs such alcohol are permitted without a thought that they are the direct result of 100 thousand deaths per year (approximately)
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
His assumption isn't very far off base, you sound like you watched some ridiculous moviie in PDR class during Jr. Highschool that "scared you straight" and then just blindly followed everything you hear.
With addition, you've also said some extremely ridiculous statements and have yet to refute a single comment from anyone you "disagree with" aside from posting an image about as valid as the Tronto vs Monttreal T-Shirt I posted.
You comparing what happened to a couple of my friends to a "ridiculous movie" is HIGHLY insulting.
I'm sorry, but Joe Rogan is an idiot. Listening to him going on about ancient aliens and mysterious super advanced ancient civilizations basically made him lose all credibility for me.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
so because you said the correlation was obvious then you expect that to be good enough to come into a thread and claim that weed should be illegal?
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
really good post
If I read through this thread it is like a bunch of blind people talking about colour. Surely Weed got it's downsides, but in reality the quantity makes the poison. It is basically the same in every facette of life, no problem to eat a burger here and there, but if you stuff your face every day at McD's you risk your health. Same goes with weed. Although I have to say the zealotry (on both sides of the argument) still surprises me.
I mean the prohibition basically stops noone from smoking, literally everybody can get his hands on weed. The response from the government? Criminalize them.. really smart...not.
User numbers basically stayed around the same margin in every country where weed got some semi legal or complete legal status. This does not stop people from shouting that every young dude in every country will start to smoke weed immidiately, if the stuff gets legalized, simply ridicolous.
On the other hand the illegal status gives many people an income who would be societal parias otherwise. That is basically the only point that would speak against legalization. Of course this doesn't interest middle or upper class people who engage themselves politically for a legalization, but it is still a point.
I for sure know that some stupid laws won't stop me from getting high here and there.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Your argument is about as valid as a mother blaming video games for life's problems. Your "correlation" is not only subjective but stating the deaths of single persons (which is completely unrelated to marijuana I might add) is also statistically irrelevant. A lot of us have had people die close to us from different reasons, a friend of mines head got crushed while drunk holding onto the back of a car skateboarding and managed to get under the tire, you have sympathy but not an argument so stop referring to it, I wouldnt go "ban drinking" because my friend was being an idiot under the influence.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
His assumption isn't very far off base, you sound like you watched some ridiculous moviie in PDR class during Jr. Highschool that "scared you straight" and then just blindly followed everything you hear.
With addition, you've also said some extremely ridiculous statements and have yet to refute a single comment from anyone you "disagree with" aside from posting an image about as valid as the Tronto vs Monttreal T-Shirt I posted.
You comparing what happened to a couple of my friends to a "ridiculous movie" is HIGHLY insulting.
I'm sorry, but Joe Rogan is an idiot. Listening to him going on about ancient aliens and mysterious super advanced ancient civilizations basically made him lose all credibility for me.
Ironic that you just had a previous post how "people who don't smoke pot have just as much viable opinion as people who do" but a person who believes or suggests things that frankly neither you nor I can prove or dissprove is instantly at a loss of credibility because you think it's ridiculous.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
Too bad for your argument that correlation doesn't imply causality.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
how is this any different than the people who regularly smoke pot, dismiss all valid evidence against pot as "junk science" even though they have no idea how the data was actually collected, and all their knowledge of the subject is based on biased articles and stoned conversations with friends. It's not really fair to tell people with an opposing opinion to "stay the fuck out of this debate" and to be honest it's quite juvenile. There does seem to be evidence that marijuana use can negatively impact intelligence if used during adolescence (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/27/teen-marijuana-use-associated-with-drop-in-intelligence), and it increases the chance of an individual to develop schizophrenia. (http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/07/marijuana-linked-with-earlier-onset-of-schizophrenia-in-research-review/)
whether or not it should be illegal is a different issue, but there is no need to be so condescending to people with a different view.
Provide a single documentation of a death resulted from Pot, if you cannot than you should refrain from calling all these "studies" respectable. The answer if you're curious, and you can look everywhere, is that there is not a single death casued by marijuana since... Well the dawn of [i]fucking[/l] time but other legal drugs such alcohol are permitted without a thought that they are the direct result of 100 thousand deaths per year (approximately)
hey, just throwing out there that the studies or whatever he posted had nothing to do with people dying from ODing on pot...
no real opinion on the matter. legal? cool. illegal? whatever. no skin off my nose, ya know?
umm not sure if this is relevant to the current "disscussion" But , to whomever said that "sketchy" Weed dealers ( differnt from drug dealers) lace their weed with harmfull addictive drugs is just ludicris , because think of this from a weed dealers perspective , if they add MORE drugs to their weed to get the user addicted they will have to keep adding drugs to the weed that will cost them more money . weed is usually a pretty conosistant price and for the weed dealer to make money of the weed he would be putting himself in dept because of all the extra stuff hes adding to it , PLUS if you are addicted to the stuff he added to the weed next time if you wen to him and bought unlaced stuff you wouldnt get the same high . ( iv been smoking for a good few years now and have never gotten laced weed) also weed is not addictive ,
in all honesty i dont think legalizing weed will ever happen but if it gets decriminalized that would be probly the best thing the govt can do .
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
Once they started, they changed drastically. The correllation was obvious. And please do not take a jab at my father, he IS well-respected and has taught me much. It hurt me badly to see what happened to my friends - all they wanted to do was be high, they didn't want to go out and do what we usually did anymore - no more lazer tag, no more Magic: The Gathering get-togethers, they didn't even want to play games online. That was when I started asking my father and therapist questions. If you want, I can get the sources my therapist uses but unfortunately that will have to wait until Tuesday; I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do about that.
so because you said the correlation was obvious then you expect that to be good enough to come into a thread and claim that weed should be illegal?
The correllation was obvious enough for me to ask questions. I was provided with answers. That made the argument more than good enough for me. I told you if you want the sources that were used I will give them to you (probably via PM) but it has to wait until Tuesday when I see my therapist again, I am SORRY but there is nothing I can do about that.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
His assumption isn't very far off base, you sound like you watched some ridiculous moviie in PDR class during Jr. Highschool that "scared you straight" and then just blindly followed everything you hear.
With addition, you've also said some extremely ridiculous statements and have yet to refute a single comment from anyone you "disagree with" aside from posting an image about as valid as the Tronto vs Monttreal T-Shirt I posted.
You comparing what happened to a couple of my friends to a "ridiculous movie" is HIGHLY insulting.
I'm sorry, but Joe Rogan is an idiot. Listening to him going on about ancient aliens and mysterious super advanced ancient civilizations basically made him lose all credibility for me.
again, no logical argument against what he is saying, just ad-hominem attacks
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
how is this any different than the people who regularly smoke pot, dismiss all valid evidence against pot as "junk science" even though they have no idea how the data was actually collected, and all their knowledge of the subject is based on biased articles and stoned conversations with friends. It's not really fair to tell people with an opposing opinion to "stay the fuck out of this debate" and to be honest it's quite juvenile. There does seem to be evidence that marijuana use can negatively impact intelligence if used during adolescence (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/27/teen-marijuana-use-associated-with-drop-in-intelligence), and it increases the chance of an individual to develop schizophrenia. (http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/07/marijuana-linked-with-earlier-onset-of-schizophrenia-in-research-review/)
whether or not it should be illegal is a different issue, but there is no need to be so condescending to people with a different view.
Provide a single documentation of a death resulted from Pot, if you cannot than you should refrain from calling all these "studies" respectable. The answer if you're curious, and you can look everywhere, is that there is not a single death casued by marijuana since... Well the dawn of [i]fucking[/l] time but other legal drugs such alcohol are permitted without a thought that they are the direct result of 100 thousand deaths per year (approximately)
This is just wrong. Smoking and driving definitely impairs ability to drive, but double the risk of a FATAL crash? Smoking weed causes people to drive MUCH slower and MUCH more cautious. It's more likely to be in a fatal crash SOBER than high. However, you are probably more likely to drive into a mailbox at 5mph while high rather than sober.
On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote: Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
how is this any different than the people who regularly smoke pot, dismiss all valid evidence against pot as "junk science" even though they have no idea how the data was actually collected, and all their knowledge of the subject is based on biased articles and stoned conversations with friends. It's not really fair to tell people with an opposing opinion to "stay the fuck out of this debate" and to be honest it's quite juvenile. There does seem to be evidence that marijuana use can negatively impact intelligence if used during adolescence (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/27/teen-marijuana-use-associated-with-drop-in-intelligence), and it increases the chance of an individual to develop schizophrenia. (http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/07/marijuana-linked-with-earlier-onset-of-schizophrenia-in-research-review/)
whether or not it should be illegal is a different issue, but there is no need to be so condescending to people with a different view.
Provide a single documentation of a death resulted from Pot, if you cannot than you should refrain from calling all these "studies" respectable. The answer if you're curious, and you can look everywhere, is that there is not a single death casued by marijuana since... Well the dawn of [i]fucking[/l] time but other legal drugs such alcohol are permitted without a thought that they are the direct result of 100 thousand deaths per year (approximately)
Interestingly, researchers have also found that states that legalize medical marijuana have fewer fatal car crashes, largely because of a decline in drunk driving. In other words, people may be substituting marijuana for alcohol — and while it’s not advisable to drive under the influence of either — the net result, when it comes to traffic deaths, could be a reduction in harm because smoking pot raises the crash risk less than drinking does.
I have a question: Is the money involved in marijuana so small that nobody is interested in running a huge legal business? This is something that baffles me, it seems like common folk or "non-important" politicians are for legalizing it. The argument to legalize marijuana could be easily made, but it seems there's no one with power interested in doing that, because if there was, we wouldn't have that debate, am I right?
EPT
you are only embarrassing yourselves.![[image loading]](http://www.encognitive.com/files/images/marijuana-weed-addict-addiction-user-brain-scan.jpeg)
