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On September 03 2012 03:29 gedatsu wrote:
To all of you guys coming with stuff like "it doesn't improve society" I have only one thing to say. Fuck you. It doesn't matter if society gets better or worse. It doesn't matter if there are negative health effects. I am not here for society's sake, and my life belongs to nobody but me. It is none of your concern if marijuana lowers my IQ, because it is my IQ and not yours. Limiting what substances I can put inside my body by threat of imprisonment makes you fundamentally no better than a dictator. You have no moral right to decide what I can do with my life and my body. I do not owe a single thing to you or "society", and if I am to participate in this society it will be at a level of my own choosing. That level does not include letting you tell me what to do. Even if marijuana was certain instant death, it is still my right to stuff my own body full of it and you get absolutely no say in it.
Pretty sure that unless you were born and raised in the wilderness, youd owe somewhat to "society".
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I'm just going to chop this up and reply to it bit by bit in the hopes readers will understand just how terrible it is to have such an ignorant view on this subject.
On September 03 2012 02:49 iGrepair wrote:
You take something bad to cover up weed. Its sad. Just because beer is legal and can be bad doesn't mean you can use that to defend weed being legal.
Making a comparison of other substances which are far worse for you physically and mentally while maintaining "legal" status to this one which is less harmful and has for less than a century suddenly become illegal is a perfectly good way to argue the point. It is clear you do not understand how to debate.
iGrepair wrote:
One beer a day is good for you, however weed benefits no one in any good way.
This statement suggests that the writer is not educated at all in the studies, progression, historical usage or economic pressures from government lobbyists against it. Next up, the Earth is only 2,000 years old right?
iGrepair wrote:
Sure I believe it should be able to be used medically but not for recreational purposes and to need it medically it should be for very serious things. Not just "oh my head hurts now I want to get high".
So taking aspirin every time you get a headache or a fever reducer or a decongestant or any other medication you ever need for a symptom is perfectly fine but taking a raw plant for that same symptom isn't? That makes no sense. Also if you think headaches aren't something MJ can fix for you, you didn't even bother to read or watch the videos in the OP.
iGrepair wrote:
People who sell weed illegally will often put other addictive drugs in the weed which not only is a serious health concern but also makes the "patient" come back again and again.
Anyone with education on big pharma companies' economic dealings lol'd at this part. Also, its painfully clear you've never ever spent a day in any urban area of any repute and partaken in scandalous activities. Weed sellers don't usually add anything to any of it. There's a reason we're all nuts about organic stuff.
iGrepair wrote:
Cigarettes are bad for you yes. However if they were to make cigarettes illegal crime would rise dramatically so that people could get there cigarettes not to mention the rest of the possibilities. In the past cigarettes had been tested and no one found much proof of it being negative, however with time it became obvious that cigarettes negatively affect you in many ways, after a good 20 or 30 years of people smoking weed and people still show no negative correlation then I will believe it is safe, either way it shouldn't be legal for recreational use.
What "possibilities" are you talking about? Why don't you go wikipedia "Alcohol Prohibition" and try thinking that over again? You probably should go look up all the politics behind big tobacco. There was plenty of testing done, but lobbyists and enough hush money kept it all nice and quiet until fairly recently.
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There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market
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On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market
![[image loading]](http://www.encognitive.com/files/images/marijuana-weed-addict-addiction-user-brain-scan.jpeg)
Really no reason?
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I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument.
There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing.
I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic?
Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...."
Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy.
On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason?
Key + Explanation, please?
We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted...
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To many people in this thread are equating gang violence with legalizing marijuana... Gang violence would take one of the biggest hits to this day if marijuana was legalized because frankly the entire black market is allowed to maintain such a high standard of finances because of the amount of marijuana smoked (similar to how the mafia rose to power during the alcohol prohibition).
You legalize marijuana, you not only create a multi-billion dollar industry in a nation that is economically failing (most Western nations, but I was specifically noting the States) you also cut down the black market profit margin possibly by a whopping 50%, but that is personal speculation and above all of that you decriminalize a plant that is one of the most industrial plants on earth that can grow almost anywhere and slow the cutting of entire rainforrests for paper/trees... Hell the declaration of independence was written on HEMP paper, the irony hahahaha.
TLDR: Legal weed = less black market money
Weed = great industrial tool (Hemp)
Last note, there isn't a single viable study that points to marijuana being a "harmful" drug, and if you could name one I would be extremely ecstatic. The last study I remember hearing that caught my attention was that it killed brain cells, than I read closer and found that the monkeys experimented on were gassed with a gasmask for 5 minutes straight (4 minutes without oxygen = brainloss) with pure marijuana until they either sufficated and died or became mentally incapable.
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On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason?
Its not your brain, and alcohol is far worse yet that is legal, McDonalds is horrendous for your body but thats legal...
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On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason?
Is that while under the influence? Or sober? How old is that person? Has the person ever used any other substances?
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On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please? We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted...
Unfortunately unable to provide for that particular one, however I can provide you with a different one. Here you go: http://www.mfiles.org/Marijuana/user_impact/index.html Have at it.
Here's the big difference between alcohol and marijuana. One drink will not *necessarily* get you drunk, depending on your tolerance level and body type. One joint will get you high without fail. Yet people say alcohol is more dangerous.
Does not compute.
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On September 03 2012 04:07 Sroobz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Is that while under the influence? Or sober? How old is that person? Has the person ever used any other substances?
Sober, unknown, and no.
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yes, its a waste of money trying to fight a victimless crime.
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On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please?
We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted...
Check the image address and you'll find that the kind poster who offered forth this contextless pic enjoys getting his medical information from poorly sourced blogs and hearsay.
Edit: As evidenced by the additional post above, the dude has no idea how to vet a source.
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On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason?
![[image loading]](http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/8994/41swavves5laa300.jpg)
You best not be a HABS fan... If you follow random statistics/graphs/opinions without studying them you might be in some shit man.
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On September 03 2012 04:08 Nazeron wrote:
yes, its a waste of money trying to fight a victimless crime.
Victimless? It's selfish because this herb could potentially have valueable medical properties to people who are truly, truly suffering, people who can't be helped by other medicines, people who are dying, and yet there are so many people people who are perfectly fine who just want to use it recreationally and abuse it, damaging their brain in the process. Not to mention second-hand marijuana smoke is so potent that it can not only get someone unwilling high, it even shows up on drug tests. There was an account of someone losing his job over that but I'd have to look again to find it...
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On September 03 2012 04:07 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please? We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Unfortunately unable to provide for that particular one, however I can provide you with a different one. Here you go: http://www.mfiles.org/Marijuana/user_impact/index.html Have at it. Here's the big difference between alcohol and marijuana. One drink will not *necessarily* get you drunk, depending on your tolerance level and body type. One joint will get you high without fail. Yet people say alcohol is more dangerous. Does not compute.
Holy shit. Talk about a fake propaganda site dude. Wake up!
Sure one drink doesn't get you drunk and one joint gets you high. But 20 joints won't kill you (ever) and 20 beers CAN kill you (depending on the person). Alcohol IS more dangerous because there are overdoses and people die OFTEN. No one dies from over smoking or eating marijuana.
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On September 03 2012 04:09 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please?
We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Check the image address and you'll find that the kind poster who offered forth this contextless pic enjoys getting his medical information from poorly sourced blogs and hearsay. Edit: As evidenced by the additional post above, the dude has no idea how to vet a source.
http://www.jackherer.com/thebook/chapter-fifteen/
“The evidence in this record clearly shows that marijuana has been accepted as capable of relieving the distress of great numbers of very ill people, and doing so with safety under medical supervision . . . It would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for the DEA to continue to stand between those sufferers and the benefits of this substance in light of the evidence in this record. In strict medical terms, marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man.”
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On September 03 2012 04:09 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please?
We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Check the image address and you'll find that the kind poster who offered forth this contextless pic enjoys getting his medical information from poorly sourced blogs and hearsay. Edit: As evidenced by the additional post above, the dude has no idea how to vet a source.
Alright alright so I freaking rushed to get source info and didn't check everything properly, the source I WANTED to get is not available to me at the moment, which is no fault of my own as it does not belong to me. Forgive me for rushing.
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On September 03 2012 04:13 Sroobz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:07 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please? We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Unfortunately unable to provide for that particular one, however I can provide you with a different one. Here you go: http://www.mfiles.org/Marijuana/user_impact/index.html Have at it. Here's the big difference between alcohol and marijuana. One drink will not *necessarily* get you drunk, depending on your tolerance level and body type. One joint will get you high without fail. Yet people say alcohol is more dangerous. Does not compute. Holy shit. Talk about a fake propaganda site dude. Wake up! Sure one drink doesn't get you drunk and one joint gets you high. But 20 joints won't kill you (ever) and 20 beers CAN kill you (depending on the person). Alcohol IS more dangerous because there are overdoses and people die OFTEN. No one dies from over smoking or eating marijuana.
It takes approximately (depending on different studies) upwards of 500 to 1000 lbs of marijuana smoked/consumed without stopping to kill a human being (this isn't cited, this is just what I recall from different texts on the subject, no one has EVER died from a marijuana OD though so it's not proven and just speculated)
On September 03 2012 04:15 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:09 farvacola wrote:On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please?
We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Check the image address and you'll find that the kind poster who offered forth this contextless pic enjoys getting his medical information from poorly sourced blogs and hearsay. Edit: As evidenced by the additional post above, the dude has no idea how to vet a source. Alright alright so I freaking rushed to get source info and didn't check everything properly, the source I WANTED to get is not available to me at the moment, which is no fault of my own as it does not belong to me. Forgive me for rushing.
You didn't happen to rush to get that ridiculous brain scan did you too then? ^^ Maybe the biggest issues with pro-banners is that they have almost zero scientific ground to stand on and rely on ridiculous reports that are completely politically motivated and hold no grounds... Hell Ronald R...R...Reagan and his band of imbeciles stated that it killed braincells when that is one of the most published lies known to date and it was actually the lack of oxygen to the monkeys that killed the brain cells.
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On September 03 2012 04:13 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:09 farvacola wrote:On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please?
We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Check the image address and you'll find that the kind poster who offered forth this contextless pic enjoys getting his medical information from poorly sourced blogs and hearsay. Edit: As evidenced by the additional post above, the dude has no idea how to vet a source. http://www.jackherer.com/thebook/chapter-fifteen/“The evidence in this record clearly shows that marijuana has been accepted as capable of relieving the distress of great numbers of very ill people, and doing so with safety under medical supervision . . . It would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for the DEA to continue to stand between those sufferers and the benefits of this substance in light of the evidence in this record. In strict medical terms, marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man.”
That is obviously not an unbiased source; one look at the link can tell anyone that.
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