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Cannabis has been used hy the human race for thousand of years yet it is illegal since less than a hundred. Isnt that mysterious?
People, wake up. Weed isnt illegal because our governement love us so much that they don't want us to harm ourself with weed. There is more to that. I'll just say that pharmaceutical companies have a big role in that, now use your brain and think.
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On September 03 2012 04:16 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:13 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 03 2012 04:09 farvacola wrote:On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market ![[image loading]](http://www.encognitive.com/files/images/marijuana-weed-addict-addiction-user-brain-scan.jpeg) Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please?
We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Check the image address and you'll find that the kind poster who offered forth this contextless pic enjoys getting his medical information from poorly sourced blogs and hearsay. Edit: As evidenced by the additional post above, the dude has no idea how to vet a source. http://www.jackherer.com/thebook/chapter-fifteen/“The evidence in this record clearly shows that marijuana has been accepted as capable of relieving the distress of great numbers of very ill people, and doing so with safety under medical supervision . . . It would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for the DEA to continue to stand between those sufferers and the benefits of this substance in light of the evidence in this record. In strict medical terms, marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man.” That is obviously not an unbiased source; one look at the link can tell anyone that.
The source is biased, the text in it is not... Read anything in there and find me a single viable counter argument please.
* The U.S. government has also known since 1946 that the oral dose of cannabis required to kill a mouse is about 40,000 times the dose required to produce typical symptoms of intoxication. (Mikuriya, Tod, Marijuana Medical Papers, 1976; Loewe, Journal of Pharmacological and Experimental Therapeutics, October, 1946.)
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On September 03 2012 04:16 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:13 Sroobz wrote:On September 03 2012 04:07 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please? We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Unfortunately unable to provide for that particular one, however I can provide you with a different one. Here you go: http://www.mfiles.org/Marijuana/user_impact/index.html Have at it. Here's the big difference between alcohol and marijuana. One drink will not *necessarily* get you drunk, depending on your tolerance level and body type. One joint will get you high without fail. Yet people say alcohol is more dangerous. Does not compute. Holy shit. Talk about a fake propaganda site dude. Wake up! Sure one drink doesn't get you drunk and one joint gets you high. But 20 joints won't kill you (ever) and 20 beers CAN kill you (depending on the person). Alcohol IS more dangerous because there are overdoses and people die OFTEN. No one dies from over smoking or eating marijuana. It takes approximately (depending on different studies) upwards of 500 to 1000 lbs of marijuana smoked/consumed without stopping to kill a human being (this isn't cited, this is just what I recall from different texts on the subject, no one has EVER died from a marijuana OD though so it's not proven and just speculated)
I once knew a pathological liar who studied Physics at U of M that insisted he had smoked 500 lbs of weed in his 24 years of life. True story lol.
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Guys, just a word of advice.
If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate  you are only embarrassing yourselves.
It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
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On September 03 2012 04:16 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:13 Sroobz wrote:On September 03 2012 04:07 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please? We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Unfortunately unable to provide for that particular one, however I can provide you with a different one. Here you go: http://www.mfiles.org/Marijuana/user_impact/index.html Have at it. Here's the big difference between alcohol and marijuana. One drink will not *necessarily* get you drunk, depending on your tolerance level and body type. One joint will get you high without fail. Yet people say alcohol is more dangerous. Does not compute. Holy shit. Talk about a fake propaganda site dude. Wake up! Sure one drink doesn't get you drunk and one joint gets you high. But 20 joints won't kill you (ever) and 20 beers CAN kill you (depending on the person). Alcohol IS more dangerous because there are overdoses and people die OFTEN. No one dies from over smoking or eating marijuana. It takes approximately (depending on different studies) upwards of 500 to 1000 lbs of marijuana smoked/consumed without stopping to kill a human being (this isn't cited, this is just what I recall from different texts on the subject, no one has EVER died from a marijuana OD though so it's not proven and just speculated) Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:15 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:09 farvacola wrote:On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please?
We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Check the image address and you'll find that the kind poster who offered forth this contextless pic enjoys getting his medical information from poorly sourced blogs and hearsay. Edit: As evidenced by the additional post above, the dude has no idea how to vet a source. Alright alright so I freaking rushed to get source info and didn't check everything properly, the source I WANTED to get is not available to me at the moment, which is no fault of my own as it does not belong to me. Forgive me for rushing. You didn't happen to rush to get that ridiculous brain scan did you too then? ^^ Maybe the biggest issues with pro-banners is that they have almost zero scientific ground to stand on and rely on ridiculous reports that are completely politically motivated and hold no grounds... Hell Ronald R...R...Reagan and his band of imbeciles stated that it killed braincells when that is one of the most published lies known to date and it was actually the lack of oxygen to the monkeys that killed the brain cells.
No I actually combed through many different places to find that because my good source is, as I said, not owned by me. I wish I had it with me but I do not. In the end I did not pick a very good one and I apologize for that; and I am sorry that all my material is not within reach.
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On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote:Guys, just a word of advice. If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves. It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
Weed and breasts are just like bags of sand; They will only weigh you down
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On September 03 2012 04:21 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:16 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 03 2012 04:13 Sroobz wrote:On September 03 2012 04:07 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please? We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Unfortunately unable to provide for that particular one, however I can provide you with a different one. Here you go: http://www.mfiles.org/Marijuana/user_impact/index.html Have at it. Here's the big difference between alcohol and marijuana. One drink will not *necessarily* get you drunk, depending on your tolerance level and body type. One joint will get you high without fail. Yet people say alcohol is more dangerous. Does not compute. Holy shit. Talk about a fake propaganda site dude. Wake up! Sure one drink doesn't get you drunk and one joint gets you high. But 20 joints won't kill you (ever) and 20 beers CAN kill you (depending on the person). Alcohol IS more dangerous because there are overdoses and people die OFTEN. No one dies from over smoking or eating marijuana. It takes approximately (depending on different studies) upwards of 500 to 1000 lbs of marijuana smoked/consumed without stopping to kill a human being (this isn't cited, this is just what I recall from different texts on the subject, no one has EVER died from a marijuana OD though so it's not proven and just speculated) On September 03 2012 04:15 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:09 farvacola wrote:On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please?
We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Check the image address and you'll find that the kind poster who offered forth this contextless pic enjoys getting his medical information from poorly sourced blogs and hearsay. Edit: As evidenced by the additional post above, the dude has no idea how to vet a source. Alright alright so I freaking rushed to get source info and didn't check everything properly, the source I WANTED to get is not available to me at the moment, which is no fault of my own as it does not belong to me. Forgive me for rushing. You didn't happen to rush to get that ridiculous brain scan did you too then? ^^ Maybe the biggest issues with pro-banners is that they have almost zero scientific ground to stand on and rely on ridiculous reports that are completely politically motivated and hold no grounds... Hell Ronald R...R...Reagan and his band of imbeciles stated that it killed braincells when that is one of the most published lies known to date and it was actually the lack of oxygen to the monkeys that killed the brain cells. No I actually combed through many different places to find that because my good source is, as I said, not owned by me. I wish I had it with me but I do not. In the end I did not pick a very good one and I apologize for that; and I am sorry that all my material is not within reach.
Don't ignore what I said. "Sure one drink doesn't get you drunk and one joint gets you high. But 20 joints won't kill you (ever) and 20 beers CAN kill you (depending on the person). Alcohol IS more dangerous because there are overdoses and people die OFTEN. No one dies from over smoking or eating marijuana."
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On September 03 2012 04:19 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:16 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 03 2012 04:13 Sroobz wrote:On September 03 2012 04:07 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please? We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Unfortunately unable to provide for that particular one, however I can provide you with a different one. Here you go: http://www.mfiles.org/Marijuana/user_impact/index.html Have at it. Here's the big difference between alcohol and marijuana. One drink will not *necessarily* get you drunk, depending on your tolerance level and body type. One joint will get you high without fail. Yet people say alcohol is more dangerous. Does not compute. Holy shit. Talk about a fake propaganda site dude. Wake up! Sure one drink doesn't get you drunk and one joint gets you high. But 20 joints won't kill you (ever) and 20 beers CAN kill you (depending on the person). Alcohol IS more dangerous because there are overdoses and people die OFTEN. No one dies from over smoking or eating marijuana. It takes approximately (depending on different studies) upwards of 500 to 1000 lbs of marijuana smoked/consumed without stopping to kill a human being (this isn't cited, this is just what I recall from different texts on the subject, no one has EVER died from a marijuana OD though so it's not proven and just speculated) I once knew a pathological liar who studied Physics at U of M that insisted he had smoked 500 lbs of weed in his 24 years of life. True story lol.
Lol, 500lbs is such a ridiculous number LOL "smoke a sumo wrestler and you might die" "drink the weight of the sumo wrestlers wrist and you surely will die though!" lol. Imagine "drinking" 500lbs of liquor hahaha, it'd take the whole 24 years.
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On September 03 2012 03:42 XCetron wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:29 gedatsu wrote:
To all of you guys coming with stuff like "it doesn't improve society" I have only one thing to say. Fuck you. It doesn't matter if society gets better or worse. It doesn't matter if there are negative health effects. I am not here for society's sake, and my life belongs to nobody but me. It is none of your concern if marijuana lowers my IQ, because it is my IQ and not yours. Limiting what substances I can put inside my body by threat of imprisonment makes you fundamentally no better than a dictator. You have no moral right to decide what I can do with my life and my body. I do not owe a single thing to you or "society", and if I am to participate in this society it will be at a level of my own choosing. That level does not include letting you tell me what to do. Even if marijuana was certain instant death, it is still my right to stuff my own body full of it and you get absolutely no say in it. Pretty sure that unless you were born and raised in the wilderness, youd owe somewhat to "society".
I was not born and raised by society.
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They Hype
More Harmful Than Tobacco
According to the American Lung Association, cigarettes and tobacco smoking related diseases kill more than 430,000 Americans every year. Fifty million Americans smoke, and 3,000 teens start each day. The Berkeley carcinogenic tar studies of the late 1970s concluded that “marijuana is one-and-a-half times more carcinogenic than tobacco.”
The Fact
Not One Documented Case of Cancer
There are lung irritants involved in any smoke. Cannabis smoke causes mild irritation to the large airways of the lungs. Symptoms disappear when smoking is discontinued.
However, unlike tobacco smoke, cannabis smoke does not cause any changes in the small airways, the area where tobacco smoke causes long term and permanent damage. Additionally, a tobacco smoker will smoke 20 to 60 cigarettes a day, while a heavy marijuana smoker may smoke five to seven joints a day, even less when potent high-quality flower tops are available.
While tens of millions of Americans smoke pot regularly, cannabis has never caused a known case of lung cancer as of December 1997, according to America’s foremost lung expert, Dr. Donald Tashkin of UCLA. He considers the biggest health risk to the lungs would be a person smoking 16 or more “large” spliffs a day of leaf/bud because of the hypoxia of too much smoke and not enough oxygen.
Tashkin feels there is no danger for anyone to worry about potentiating emphysema “in any way” by the use of marijuana totally the opposite of tobacco.
Cannabis is a complex, highly evolved plant. There are some 400 compounds in its smoke. Of these, 60 are presently known to have therapeutic value.
Cannabis may also be eaten, entirely avoiding the irritating effects of smoke. However, four times more of the active ingredients of smoked cannabis are absorbed by the human body than when the same amount is eaten. And the prohibition inflated price of black market cannabis, combined with harsh penalties for cultivation, prevent most persons from being able to afford the luxury of a less efficient, though healthier, means of ingestion.
http://www.jackherer.com/thebook/chapter-fifteen/
Same source, like I said though find some counter arguments ^^
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On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote:Guys, just a word of advice. If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves. It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
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On September 03 2012 04:22 Sroobz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:21 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:16 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 03 2012 04:13 Sroobz wrote:On September 03 2012 04:07 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please? We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Unfortunately unable to provide for that particular one, however I can provide you with a different one. Here you go: http://www.mfiles.org/Marijuana/user_impact/index.html Have at it. Here's the big difference between alcohol and marijuana. One drink will not *necessarily* get you drunk, depending on your tolerance level and body type. One joint will get you high without fail. Yet people say alcohol is more dangerous. Does not compute. Holy shit. Talk about a fake propaganda site dude. Wake up! Sure one drink doesn't get you drunk and one joint gets you high. But 20 joints won't kill you (ever) and 20 beers CAN kill you (depending on the person). Alcohol IS more dangerous because there are overdoses and people die OFTEN. No one dies from over smoking or eating marijuana. It takes approximately (depending on different studies) upwards of 500 to 1000 lbs of marijuana smoked/consumed without stopping to kill a human being (this isn't cited, this is just what I recall from different texts on the subject, no one has EVER died from a marijuana OD though so it's not proven and just speculated) On September 03 2012 04:15 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:09 farvacola wrote:On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please?
We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Check the image address and you'll find that the kind poster who offered forth this contextless pic enjoys getting his medical information from poorly sourced blogs and hearsay. Edit: As evidenced by the additional post above, the dude has no idea how to vet a source. Alright alright so I freaking rushed to get source info and didn't check everything properly, the source I WANTED to get is not available to me at the moment, which is no fault of my own as it does not belong to me. Forgive me for rushing. You didn't happen to rush to get that ridiculous brain scan did you too then? ^^ Maybe the biggest issues with pro-banners is that they have almost zero scientific ground to stand on and rely on ridiculous reports that are completely politically motivated and hold no grounds... Hell Ronald R...R...Reagan and his band of imbeciles stated that it killed braincells when that is one of the most published lies known to date and it was actually the lack of oxygen to the monkeys that killed the brain cells. No I actually combed through many different places to find that because my good source is, as I said, not owned by me. I wish I had it with me but I do not. In the end I did not pick a very good one and I apologize for that; and I am sorry that all my material is not within reach. Don't ignore what I said. "Sure one drink doesn't get you drunk and one joint gets you high. But 20 joints won't kill you (ever) and 20 beers CAN kill you (depending on the person). Alcohol IS more dangerous because there are overdoses and people die OFTEN. No one dies from over smoking or eating marijuana."
So just because someone doesn't die that makes it okay for them to destroy their brain?
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On September 03 2012 04:07 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please? We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Here's the big difference between alcohol and marijuana. One drink will not *necessarily* get you drunk, depending on your tolerance level and body type. One joint will get you high without fail. Yet people say alcohol is more dangerous. Does not compute.
People go through a drink by themselves, while joints are almost always shared among a group. A full joint will most likely get a person quite stoned, but 1/4-1/3 of one isn't nearly as bad. And with a decent tolerance, that 1/4 of a joint really won't do that much.
And when they say alcohol is more dangerous, they mean the physical effects it has. And it's just true that alcohol is comparatively worse for you. Driving drunk is worse than high, you can't get weed poisoning, you don't throw up after a night of too much weed, etc.
Weed can get a person high faster, but to say that alcohol is safer than weed in any way is just.... new to me.
EDIT: Don't get me wrong though, I think a person who says that it's not at all dangerous is just as ignorant as anyone else.
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On September 03 2012 04:25 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote:Guys, just a word of advice. If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves. It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women. If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
His assumption isn't very far off base, you sound like you watched some ridiculous moviie in PDR class during Jr. Highschool that "scared you straight" and then just blindly followed everything you hear.
With addition, you've also said some extremely ridiculous statements and have yet to refute a single comment from anyone you "disagree with" aside from posting an image about as valid as the Tronto vs Monttreal T-Shirt I posted.
EDIT: this one
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EDIT2: Also your "family" being liberal and having a scientist as a father really doesn't mean anything when you blindly follow whatever you're told, that isn't liberal... And also, the whole "he's a scientist, he'd know" or some shit is ridiculous, that'd be like grabbing any random car mechanic and saying "He's a car mechanic, he must know exactly what to do with these foreign parts" or insert other absurd analogies. A scientist that studies ass farts would know less of a shit about neuroscience etc etc so why even bring that statement up unless he is directly related to the field which studies marijuana and its uses.
If you were curious, my father was an inventor! Maybe that makes me the next expert on Dragons Den.
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On September 03 2012 04:28 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:25 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote:Guys, just a word of advice. If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves. It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women. If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it. His assumption isn't very far off base, you sound like you watched some ridiculous moviie in PDR class during Jr. Highschool that "scared you straight" and then just blindly followed everything you hear. With addition, you've also said some extremely ridiculous statements and have yet to refute a single comment from anyone you "disagree with" aside from posting an image about as valid as the Tronto vs Monttreal T-Shirt I posted.
You comparing what happened to a couple of my friends to a "ridiculous movie" is HIGHLY insulting.
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On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote:Guys, just a word of advice. If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves. It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women.
how is this any different than the people who regularly smoke pot, dismiss all valid evidence against pot as "junk science" even though they have no idea how the data was actually collected, and all their knowledge of the subject is based on biased articles and stoned conversations with friends. It's not really fair to tell people with an opposing opinion to "stay the fuck out of this debate" and to be honest it's quite juvenile. There does seem to be evidence that marijuana use can negatively impact intelligence if used during adolescence (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/27/teen-marijuana-use-associated-with-drop-in-intelligence), and it increases the chance of an individual to develop schizophrenia. (http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/07/marijuana-linked-with-earlier-onset-of-schizophrenia-in-research-review/)
whether or not it should be illegal is a different issue, but there is no need to be so condescending to people with a different view.
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On September 03 2012 04:27 TALegion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:07 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:03 TALegion wrote:I'm pro-legalization, and I admit that I don't agree with the alcohol comparison argument. There is an enormous difference between the two. One is already legal. Alcohol would be illegal, but it proved impossible to do so because it has been ingrained in our societies for literally longer than recorded history. To say, "Alcohol is legal, therefore weed should be, too," assumed that alcohol being legal is seen as a good thing. I doubt politicians believe that alcohol helps our society, so if you're comparing the two, why would people want to legalize weed with this logic? Alcohol is bad, and we've learned from our mistake. It's too late to correct it, but when you put the two side-by-side, people don't think, "Ah, sweet! Another thing just like alcohol!" they think, "Fuck, another? Hell if I'm letting another one of these start...." Instead of comparing weed to alcohol and tobacco, horribly negative things, one should focus on the specifics of what it is that's good/not bad about weed. You're doing yourself a disservice by associating weed with the enemy. On September 03 2012 04:01 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 03:51 Burns wrote:
There really isnt a good reason to keep weed illegal, its far less dangerous then alcohol, and it could easy achieve great profits from well regulated sales.
The legalization of marijuana would also severly undercut the mexican drug cartels and and effectively end much of the drug wars that occur in centaral america.
Then south american farmers could also safely grow marijuana and secure a stable income with a stable cash crop that isnt regulated by the black market Really no reason? Key + Explanation, please? We have no idea what's that's measuring, how many people were measured, who those people were, and really anything else. In fact, I could black out the words and replace them with whatever I wanted... Here's the big difference between alcohol and marijuana. One drink will not *necessarily* get you drunk, depending on your tolerance level and body type. One joint will get you high without fail. Yet people say alcohol is more dangerous. Does not compute. People go through a drink by themselves, while joints are almost always shared among a group. A full joint will most likely get a person quite stoned, but 1/4-1/3 of one isn't nearly as bad. And with a decent tolerance, that 1/4 of a joint really won't do that much. And when they say alcohol is more dangerous, they mean the physical effects it has. And it's just true that alcohol is comparatively worse for you. Driving drunk is worse than high, you can't get weed poisoning, you don't throw up after a night of too much weed, etc. Weed can get a person high faster, but to say that alcohol is safer than weed in any way is just.... new to me. EDIT: Don't get me wrong though, I think a person who says that it's not at all dangerous is just as ignorant as anyone else.
The thing with alcohol is if one or possibly two drinks a day is all you drink, then you aren't going to have any harmful effects because the body is able to expunge it effectively. More, yes, is dangerous. But, another thing you have to consider is that drinking near people doesn't affect them through the alcohol, whereas smoking marijuana near others will affect them through the drug.
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On September 03 2012 04:25 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote:Guys, just a word of advice. If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves. It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women. If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it.
it's possible your friends were going to be losers regardless, finding a correlation between your friends throwing their lives away and them smoking weed is a pretty weak conclusion from someone whose dad is a "respected scientist"
Bill Hicks smoked weed and was a comedy genius, Joe Rogan smokes weed and is super successful, Nate Diaz smokes weed and is one of the UFCs top fighters and can swim from Alcatraz to the shore (that takes some serious endurance btw, there was a reason Alcatraz was positioned where it was), the list goes on and on with successful people who smoked/smoke weed, your "evidence" is anecdotal and again, for someone with a supposedly scientific family, you should be able to see how weak and embarrassing your argument is.
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On September 03 2012 04:29 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:28 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 03 2012 04:25 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote:Guys, just a word of advice. If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves. It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women. If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it. His assumption isn't very far off base, you sound like you watched some ridiculous moviie in PDR class during Jr. Highschool that "scared you straight" and then just blindly followed everything you hear. With addition, you've also said some extremely ridiculous statements and have yet to refute a single comment from anyone you "disagree with" aside from posting an image about as valid as the Tronto vs Monttreal T-Shirt I posted. You comparing what happened to a couple of my friends to a "ridiculous movie" is HIGHLY insulting.
Both are anecdotal, discrete pieces of evidence that lack the context and applicability needed for the extrapolations you are suggesting. That this revelation insults you is unfortunate.
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On September 03 2012 04:29 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 04:28 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 03 2012 04:25 OmiDeLta wrote:On September 03 2012 04:20 Kickboxer wrote:Guys, just a word of advice. If you have never smoked pot, aren't close to anyone who habitually does it, and if your sole knowledge of the subject is based on some shady, random "research" or the teachings of your conservative daddy, please stay the fuck out of this debate you are only embarrassing yourselves. It's like a virgin discussing the finer points of arousing women. If you are referring to me, no, I actually come from a liberal family, and my father happens to be a respected scientist, so how about you stop assuming things about everyone who opposes marijuana use. Maybe I never used it because I saw how debilitating it was to old friends of mine, after watching them throw their lives away and change drastically after using it, and started doing research into it myself only to find out that surprise surprise, I had every reason to oppose it and not use it. His assumption isn't very far off base, you sound like you watched some ridiculous moviie in PDR class during Jr. Highschool that "scared you straight" and then just blindly followed everything you hear. With addition, you've also said some extremely ridiculous statements and have yet to refute a single comment from anyone you "disagree with" aside from posting an image about as valid as the Tronto vs Monttreal T-Shirt I posted. You comparing what happened to a couple of my friends to a "ridiculous movie" is HIGHLY insulting.
Your friends overdosed and died from Marijuana? Did they directly die as a result of its intake? Did the intake actually do anything to them mentally? Did Mariajuana DO ANYTHING?
This discussion isn't about other drugs, we aren't arguing that snorting an ounce of cocaine will kill you, we're arguing that marijuana has no place being banned... If the only argument is "it's a gateway drug" where actually it's about as gateway drug as milk is to alcohol, then that's just not good enough for all of its postive effects (there are a lot of them)
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