On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote: 3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't.
You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it.
I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal!
I've never used marijuana, and don't think I ever will.
However, I have always said, either both alchohol and marijuana should be legal, or neither. I personally don't care which they do, but it seems odd for one to be legal and the other not.
On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote: 3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't.
You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it.
I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal!
Lol obviously if you can't smoke cigarettes (Which kill you via second hand smoke, pot doesn't do that) then you can't smoke anything... You don't see many people strolling into bookstores smoking opiates now do you?
On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote: 3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't.
You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it.
I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal!
Lol obviously if you can't smoke cigarettes (Which kill you via second hand smoke, pot doesn't do that) then you can't smoke anything... You don't see many people strolling into bookstores smoking opiates now do you?
There are places where you are allowed to smoke cigarettes that I would hope you wouldn't be allowed to smoke marijuana. Mostly in occupied outdoor areas, such as streets or adjoined backyards.
Fuck all this shit on "medical value of pot" watch this video to see what marijuana can do to help people. It starts at 128:00 (I time stamped it though)
On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote: 3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't.
You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it.
I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal!
Lol obviously if you can't smoke cigarettes (Which kill you via second hand smoke, pot doesn't do that) then you can't smoke anything... You don't see many people strolling into bookstores smoking opiates now do you?
There are places where you are allowed to smoke cigarettes that I would hope you wouldn't be allowed to smoke marijuana. Mostly in occupied outdoor areas, such as streets or adjoined backyards.
Most adjoined backyards have people smoking pot anyway -.- and you'd be fine with cigarettes being smoked in those places but not pot because it "smells bad" but the other "kills you but smells slightly better ^^" I like that logic.
On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote: 3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't.
You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it.
I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal!
Lol obviously if you can't smoke cigarettes (Which kill you via second hand smoke, pot doesn't do that) then you can't smoke anything... You don't see many people strolling into bookstores smoking opiates now do you?
There are places where you are allowed to smoke cigarettes that I would hope you wouldn't be allowed to smoke marijuana. Mostly in occupied outdoor areas, such as streets or adjoined backyards.
I think it would make sense to have marijuana equivalent open public consumption laws, similar to open container policies with alcohol. We could call them "this pipe is goin" laws.
Fuck all this shit on "medical value of pot" watch this video to see what marijuana can do to help people. It starts at 128:00 (I time stamped it though)
On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote: 3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't.
You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it.
I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal!
Lol obviously if you can't smoke cigarettes (Which kill you via second hand smoke, pot doesn't do that) then you can't smoke anything... You don't see many people strolling into bookstores smoking opiates now do you?
There are places where you are allowed to smoke cigarettes that I would hope you wouldn't be allowed to smoke marijuana. Mostly in occupied outdoor areas, such as streets or adjoined backyards.
Most adjoined backyards have people smoking pot anyway -.- and you'd be fine with cigarettes being smoked in those places but not pot because it "smells bad" but the other "kills you but smells slightly better ^^" I like that logic.
I didn't offer my stance on where I'd like people not to smoke cigarettes because it's the Should Marijuana Be Legalized? thread. But, again, I don't care if you do dangerous stuff to yourself (that isn't to say marijuana cigarettes, or even tobacco cigarettes, are or aren't dangerous). As long as we're not allowing people to make shared and/or public space smell like skunk, I'm 100% for the legalization of marijuana.
In the future, please don't interject your assumption of my logic, which I did not offer, as my own.
On September 03 2012 08:44 TALegion wrote: I don't believe it's really logically sound to say that a person should never do drugs because they're bad. Don't get me wrong, they are unhealthy, but so is essentially everything we do that isn't eating, sleeping, drinking, and reproducing. Nice cars, big houses, junk food, casual sex, booze, television, video games, and even learning for pleasure are all things could be considered a waste of time and resources that could've been used towards a healthy lifestyle!
We're rather far beyond are primal life styles of having to spend all of our time surviving. We do things for pleasure, which is not healthy. Who's to say what is and isn't healthy, really? We don't need to be at the top of our game to survive, unless you're one of those people who aren't satisfied until they're running a fortune 500 company. So, why do we care so much about leading a, "healthy," lifestyle? As long as you're not a bum living off other people (which is a dick move if you can support yourself), why should anyone else even care?
"I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life the way I want to." -Hendrix
I understand some people's straight-edge choices, but I really don't understand not allowing others to do what they want. As long as you're not puffing it in someone's face, how does weed really affect anyone but yourself? I sincerely hope that no one is such as a straight-up asshole as to actively go against another person because they're living their life differently than you. So, why is it illegal again?
It's not healthy for you, but so what? Neither is McDonalds, Starcraft, chocolate, television, and anything but walking. It's not a gateway drug, but even if it was, I guess my previous argument still applies. It's just not a gateway drug, it's the gateway culture/process that people now have to go through. You can't stop people. Is there a single human being who thinks that the prohibition or DEA have been successful? We're paying for cops to hunt those committing victimless crimes, courts to prosecute them, prisons to hold them, and food to feed them.
I really just don't get it, but I guess I don't need to considering the law's against me.
Marijuana is (well, should be) medicine, not a toy...abusing any kind of medicine will have detrimental effects on you, like I've seen. Maybe marijuana is not as detrimental as some things, but it can be detrimental nonetheless...and I find it selfish to abuse medicine that other people, suffering people, might actually need - no matter what medicine that is. Marijuana, adderall, ketamine, vicodin, whatever. Call me 'holier-than-thou' or whatever you want but those are my honest feelings. I've never abused prescription medicine and I never plan to because that kind of thing just does not sit well with me morally.
I actually concur with you that marijuana does hold some potential for abuse and that actions need to be taken to try and regulate it. I personally was prescribed marijuana because of cartilage-deficient right leg joints (mostly behind the patella and in my hip) and also the fact I have 8 screws and 2 plates holding my jaw together which coupled with the nerve damage in my lower jaw and neck causes me some discomfort on a regular basis. I do however have to debate that recreational use could also be beneficial in the treating of a very common ailment. Too much stress.
Maybe its just me but when I decide to have a nice cold beer or a glass of wine or back when I used to smoke cigarettes, when I wanted a cigarette was usually to relieve stress. I'd smoke a cigarette after a shift at work or I'd come home and have 2-3 beers while I relaxed and unwound from the stresses of working 3 jobs. I think it wouldn't too incorrect for me to say that a lot of puffers (you don't HAVE to smoke, you can vape or eat it too) use MJ for this same exact role. While drinking a little alcohol (not excessive) or smoking a cigarette (I got nothin good on this one) might be bad for you, I found it to be a way to deal with the extreme stresses of my daily life. I can't really deny someone else that same right.
Thank you for being kind and reasonable about the subject and I'm so sorry you had to go through that kind of pain; that's terrible!
Thing is, when I'm stressed, I take a nap...marijuana, as was stated before, is a hallucinogen, as mild as it may be it still alters your perception of reality and we have to draw the line somewhere.
Here's a strange example: I was given vicodin after I got my wisdom teeth out and one tablet didn't make the pain go away entirely, so I tried taking two and...uh, for about the next 38 or so hours I wasn't sure if I was awake or asleep and although the pain wasn't there I remember seeing purple and blue unicorns jumping over my pillows. I didn't think I should be using something that was making me hallucinate to stop pain though, so instead when it started to really hurt I took melatonin, a very mild sleeping pill and just slept until it didn't hurt anymore. That way I wouldn't potentially do something weird or make a decision I'd regret...or see jumping unicorns. That was too, too strange. Though from what I hear the effects of marijuana are not as severe as that. Like I said...just an example.
Cannabis indica basically has no hallucinogenic properties (large doses, but you will never experience major visuals or mind altering things) and pretty much puts you to sleep in medium to large doses. And it has cannabinoids which helps prevent cancer.
Ah, thank you for the info there, though I figured I would have heard about it by now if people were really seeing crazy things while high. It still slows you down, however, which in some situations could be quite dangerous.
And of course there's my own moral high-horse that I'm just glued to. ('Least I admit it.)
Two different types of weed - cannabis indica (sleepy, body high) and cannabis sativa (uplifting, trippy high). People refer to sativa when they talk about seeing crazy things (which really doesn't happen with ANY type of weed....)
I understand it slows you down and could be potentially dangerous, but many people do more dangerous and stupid things when they are angry (recreational use helps), stressed (recreational use helps), and anxious (recreational use helps). I know it's a WEAK argument, but the argument about weed slowing you down causing dangerous situations is weak as well.
That's actualy very interesting, I didn't know that fact!
Heh, so if both arguments are weak do they cancel each other out? Where does that leave us then?
On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote: 3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't.
You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it.
I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal!
Somehow I don't think you have had a lot of experience around weed, because I have found the opposite. Yes it does have a slightly stronger smell than cigarettes (though in my opinion cigarettes smell much worse) but the smell does not linger nearly as much as it does with cigarettes.
On September 03 2012 10:02 tokicheese wrote: Whoever said earlier that their dad is a "Researcher" made me lol at work today. My dad is probably the best autobody man in the province and I wouldn't know fuck all about how to fix a car so why even bring that up in disscussion... Using anecdotal evidence was just the cherry on top of his terrible points...
The only way Pot is a "Gateway" drug is because prohibition makes you interact with sketchy people. In my province which is known for its bud I have never had a dealer sell anything other than pot. Maybe it's different in other areas but here I haven't seen it.
The guy who owns the place I work smokes a ton of pot and hes a self made millionaire who started with next to nothing.
On September 02 2012 11:22 Mohdoo wrote: Alcohol is harder to get in high school than weed is.
This is so true. Prohibition isn't control, it is admittance that there is no desire to control.
This is not true at all. Or at least with any high school I know of.
Getting booze was always a challenge and we always had to pay the boot like 10 bucks so we would be paying $35 for a mickey of shitty booze and it was almost always a panic to get some. We would also have to bus for like 40 minutes to get to a Gov't owned liquor store.
Or at my school I could ask nearly any person in my class and have a hook up after school for pot one phone call away and get an 1/8 of an ounce for like $30ish and have them drop it off.
Which one is more appealing to you?
If pot was decriminalized it would be more like alcohol and it would be much more difficult to get weed as a kid.
At the very least keeping Marijuana illegal for medication is disgusting and immoral. People suffering from Chemo, AIDS, Numerous GI Disorders and people suffering from Chronic pain are being denied treatment that would massively increase their quality of life. I watched a documentary on a soldier who was shot in the head and lost a massive chunk of his brain and the only way he could cope with the pain and his mental issues was by smoking hash.
Why the fuck would you take that away from him?
I already said marijuana is and should be treated as a medicine, and not a toy for people to abuse whenever they please...
On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote: 3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't.
You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it.
I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal!
Somehow I don't think you have had a lot of experience around weed, because I have found the opposite. Yes it does have a slightly stronger smell than cigarettes (though in my opinion cigarettes smell much worse) but the smell does not linger nearly as much as it does with cigarettes.
My experience was in a college dorm and living with a neighbor who enjoys marijuana. I imagine that if you enjoy weed it probably is a smell you appreciate and I can understand that, there's nothing wrong with enjoying a smell or taste others might not. The concern is that not everyone does and it's hard to deny that it is a powerful aroma.
If a neighbor can be reported for not managing their waste or having loud pets, I feel neighbors should be expected (and required) to offer equal consideration towards their marijuana usage. I'd say the same for tobacco but it's a little late for that legislation.
On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote: 3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't.
You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it.
I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal!
People putting manure in their gardens, ethnic cooking, bonfires or burning of any kind, all of these things and more stink. Get over it.
On September 03 2012 10:02 tokicheese wrote: Whoever said earlier that their dad is a "Researcher" made me lol at work today. My dad is probably the best autobody man in the province and I wouldn't know fuck all about how to fix a car so why even bring that up in disscussion... Using anecdotal evidence was just the cherry on top of his terrible points...
The only way Pot is a "Gateway" drug is because prohibition makes you interact with sketchy people. In my province which is known for its bud I have never had a dealer sell anything other than pot. Maybe it's different in other areas but here I haven't seen it.
The guy who owns the place I work smokes a ton of pot and hes a self made millionaire who started with next to nothing.
On September 03 2012 09:50 IamBach wrote:
On September 03 2012 09:47 claybones wrote:
On September 02 2012 11:22 Mohdoo wrote: Alcohol is harder to get in high school than weed is.
This is so true. Prohibition isn't control, it is admittance that there is no desire to control.
This is not true at all. Or at least with any high school I know of.
Getting booze was always a challenge and we always had to pay the boot like 10 bucks so we would be paying $35 for a mickey of shitty booze and it was almost always a panic to get some. We would also have to bus for like 40 minutes to get to a Gov't owned liquor store.
Or at my school I could ask nearly any person in my class and have a hook up after school for pot one phone call away and get an 1/8 of an ounce for like $30ish and have them drop it off.
Which one is more appealing to you?
If pot was decriminalized it would be more like alcohol and it would be much more difficult to get weed as a kid.
At the very least keeping Marijuana illegal for medication is disgusting and immoral. People suffering from Chemo, AIDS, Numerous GI Disorders and people suffering from Chronic pain are being denied treatment that would massively increase their quality of life. I watched a documentary on a soldier who was shot in the head and lost a massive chunk of his brain and the only way he could cope with the pain and his mental issues was by smoking hash.
Why the fuck would you take that away from him?
I already said marijuana is and should be treated as a medicine, and not a toy for people to abuse whenever they please...
And you believe it is the government (and more specifically your right) to regulate a harmless substance such that others can't have? So if I go and abuse hamburgers (which I enjoy on par with marijuana) you would then argue that hamburgers can be banned because I was abusing it? Your argument is flawed, why is it not medically applicable for me a healthy person? It relives stress/migraiines/anger yet I can't relieve those because you think you have the right to control substance?
On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote: 3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't.
You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it.
I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal!
People putting manure in their gardens, ethnic cooking, bonfires or burning of any kind, all of these things and more stink. Get over it.
If you have a neighbor maintaining bonfires in his backyard then I agree that you have bigger problems than I do. Other than that, I wouldn't compare "ethnic" cooking or gardening to what I'm talking about.
On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote: 3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't.
You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it.
I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal!
Somehow I don't think you have had a lot of experience around weed, because I have found the opposite. Yes it does have a slightly stronger smell than cigarettes (though in my opinion cigarettes smell much worse) but the smell does not linger nearly as much as it does with cigarettes.
My experience was in a college dorm and living with a neighbor who enjoys marijuana. I imagine that if you enjoy weed it probably is a smell you appreciate and I can understand that, there's nothing wrong with enjoying a smell or taste others might not. The concern is that not everyone does and it's hard to deny that it is a powerful aroma.
If a neighbor can be reported for not managing their waste or having loud pets, I feel neighbors should be expected (and required) to offer equal consideration towards their marijuana usage. I'd say the same for tobacco but it's a little late for that legislation.
Yeah definitely, I think that would be perfectly reasonable should marijuana become legal. I wasn't suggesting that other people should appreciate the smell either. I was really just disagreeing with it hanging around outdoors, as in my experience, unless you are in a confined space the smell doesn't linger much longer after it has been smoked.
On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote: 3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't.
You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it.
I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal!
People putting manure in their gardens, ethnic cooking, bonfires or burning of any kind, all of these things and more stink. Get over it.
And he can just inform his local police department his neighbors are in possession of an illegal substance. Hopefully the neighbors get over it, too.
On September 03 2012 10:02 tokicheese wrote: Whoever said earlier that their dad is a "Researcher" made me lol at work today. My dad is probably the best autobody man in the province and I wouldn't know fuck all about how to fix a car so why even bring that up in disscussion... Using anecdotal evidence was just the cherry on top of his terrible points...
The only way Pot is a "Gateway" drug is because prohibition makes you interact with sketchy people. In my province which is known for its bud I have never had a dealer sell anything other than pot. Maybe it's different in other areas but here I haven't seen it.
The guy who owns the place I work smokes a ton of pot and hes a self made millionaire who started with next to nothing.
On September 03 2012 09:50 IamBach wrote:
On September 03 2012 09:47 claybones wrote:
On September 02 2012 11:22 Mohdoo wrote: Alcohol is harder to get in high school than weed is.
This is so true. Prohibition isn't control, it is admittance that there is no desire to control.
This is not true at all. Or at least with any high school I know of.
Getting booze was always a challenge and we always had to pay the boot like 10 bucks so we would be paying $35 for a mickey of shitty booze and it was almost always a panic to get some. We would also have to bus for like 40 minutes to get to a Gov't owned liquor store.
Or at my school I could ask nearly any person in my class and have a hook up after school for pot one phone call away and get an 1/8 of an ounce for like $30ish and have them drop it off.
Which one is more appealing to you?
If pot was decriminalized it would be more like alcohol and it would be much more difficult to get weed as a kid.
At the very least keeping Marijuana illegal for medication is disgusting and immoral. People suffering from Chemo, AIDS, Numerous GI Disorders and people suffering from Chronic pain are being denied treatment that would massively increase their quality of life. I watched a documentary on a soldier who was shot in the head and lost a massive chunk of his brain and the only way he could cope with the pain and his mental issues was by smoking hash.
Why the fuck would you take that away from him?
I already said marijuana is and should be treated as a medicine, and not a toy for people to abuse whenever they please...
And you believe it is the government (and more specifically your right) to regulate a harmless substance such that others can't have? So if I go and abuse hamburgers (which I enjoy on par with marijuana) you would then argue that hamburgers can be banned because I was abusing it? Your argument is flawed, why is it not medically applicable for me a healthy person? It relives stress/migraiines/anger yet I can't relieve those because you think you have the right to control substance?
What a selfish and quite honestly weak-willed viewpoint! You are not stressed; people who are in chronic pain or are terminally ill are stressed!! Normal otherwise healthy people should be strong enough to deal with reality and not have to resort to a quite literally mind-altering drug (maybe it's a mild alteration but an alteration is an alteration is an alteration; this is not just your average painkiller!!!!) to relax. Take a nap, watch a movie, hug your cat or dog. "Oh I had a stressful day" - boo hoo, the rest of the world had a stressful day and can cope with it on their own. Someone above mentioned GI track problems - well guess what, I have GI track problems from a physical defect and my father was left with a sensitive GI track after having Crohns Disease. He and I both experience horrible bouts of pain to this day and especially with me it can get to the point where I am crying and screaming in agony. Guess what? Neither one of us smoke pot because we both know that there are better ways to deal with it and more importantly, we're STRONG ENOUGH to deal with it. I do breathing exercises and my fiance will often hold my hand while I'm on the toilet as my insides are revolting against their god-given nature and bless his soul for doing so. There are people out there, however, who aren't so lucky. Cancer patients who are often in pain and weak with nausea from chemotherapy - and they need every bit of strength they can muster to recover, for example. It makes my blood boil that selfish people like you claim that you're on par with and deserve the same help as these poor souls who are truly suffering.
I think I've made myself clear. Good day to you all.
On September 03 2012 10:02 tokicheese wrote: Whoever said earlier that their dad is a "Researcher" made me lol at work today. My dad is probably the best autobody man in the province and I wouldn't know fuck all about how to fix a car so why even bring that up in disscussion... Using anecdotal evidence was just the cherry on top of his terrible points...
The only way Pot is a "Gateway" drug is because prohibition makes you interact with sketchy people. In my province which is known for its bud I have never had a dealer sell anything other than pot. Maybe it's different in other areas but here I haven't seen it.
The guy who owns the place I work smokes a ton of pot and hes a self made millionaire who started with next to nothing.
On September 03 2012 09:50 IamBach wrote:
On September 03 2012 09:47 claybones wrote:
On September 02 2012 11:22 Mohdoo wrote: Alcohol is harder to get in high school than weed is.
This is so true. Prohibition isn't control, it is admittance that there is no desire to control.
This is not true at all. Or at least with any high school I know of.
Getting booze was always a challenge and we always had to pay the boot like 10 bucks so we would be paying $35 for a mickey of shitty booze and it was almost always a panic to get some. We would also have to bus for like 40 minutes to get to a Gov't owned liquor store.
Or at my school I could ask nearly any person in my class and have a hook up after school for pot one phone call away and get an 1/8 of an ounce for like $30ish and have them drop it off.
Which one is more appealing to you?
If pot was decriminalized it would be more like alcohol and it would be much more difficult to get weed as a kid.
At the very least keeping Marijuana illegal for medication is disgusting and immoral. People suffering from Chemo, AIDS, Numerous GI Disorders and people suffering from Chronic pain are being denied treatment that would massively increase their quality of life. I watched a documentary on a soldier who was shot in the head and lost a massive chunk of his brain and the only way he could cope with the pain and his mental issues was by smoking hash.
Why the fuck would you take that away from him?
I already said marijuana is and should be treated as a medicine, and not a toy for people to abuse whenever they please...
And you believe it is the government (and more specifically your right) to regulate a harmless substance such that others can't have? So if I go and abuse hamburgers (which I enjoy on par with marijuana) you would then argue that hamburgers can be banned because I was abusing it? Your argument is flawed, why is it not medically applicable for me a healthy person? It relives stress/migraiines/anger yet I can't relieve those because you think you have the right to control substance?
What a selfish and quite honestly weak-willed viewpoint! You are not stressed; people who are in chronic pain or are terminally ill are stressed!! Normal otherwise healthy people should be strong enough to deal with reality and not have to resort to a quite literally mind-altering drug (maybe it's a mild alteration but an alteration is an alteration is an alteration; this is not just your average painkiller!!!!) to relax. Take a nap, watch a movie, hug your cat or dog. "Oh I had a stressful day" - boo hoo, the rest of the world had a stressful day and can cope with it on their own. Someone above mentioned GI track problems - well guess what, I have GI track problems from a physical defect and my father was left with a sensitive GI track after having Crohns Disease. He and I both experience horrible bouts of pain to this day and especially with me it can get to the point where I am crying and screaming in agony. Guess what? Neither one of us smoke pot because we both know that there are better ways to deal with it and more importantly, we're STRONG ENOUGH to deal with it. I do breathing exercises and my fiance will often hold my hand while I'm on the toilet as my insides are revolting against their god-given nature and bless his soul for doing so. There are people out there, however, who aren't so lucky. Cancer patients who are often in pain and weak with nausea from chemotherapy - and they need every bit of strength they can muster to recover, for example. It makes my blood boil that selfish people like you claim that you're on par with and deserve the same help as these poor souls who are truly suffering.
I think I've made myself clear. Good day to you all.
And just who are you to judge? Is pot going to be shoved down your throat the moment it's legalized? It's no one's issue but your own that you find it to be weak. No one but you care so much how everyone else should live. Get over yourself.
On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote: 3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't.
You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it.
I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal!
People putting manure in their gardens, ethnic cooking, bonfires or burning of any kind, all of these things and more stink. Get over it.
And he can just inform his local police department his neighbors are in possession of an illegal substance. Hopefully the neighbors get over it, too.
You obviously have no idea what the argument was referring to so why comment with such an idiotic assertion? The first person was arguing that smoking pot should (if legalized, so this entire hypothetical situation was over pot being legal so calling the police about a legal substance would be just about as stupid as you commenting on something you weren't paying enough attention to to understand)not be smoked in public places such that it doesn't bother his nostrils while the other poster made examples of things that are allowed that smell equally as worse or worse.
On September 03 2012 10:02 tokicheese wrote: Whoever said earlier that their dad is a "Researcher" made me lol at work today. My dad is probably the best autobody man in the province and I wouldn't know fuck all about how to fix a car so why even bring that up in disscussion... Using anecdotal evidence was just the cherry on top of his terrible points...
The only way Pot is a "Gateway" drug is because prohibition makes you interact with sketchy people. In my province which is known for its bud I have never had a dealer sell anything other than pot. Maybe it's different in other areas but here I haven't seen it.
The guy who owns the place I work smokes a ton of pot and hes a self made millionaire who started with next to nothing.
On September 03 2012 09:50 IamBach wrote:
On September 03 2012 09:47 claybones wrote:
On September 02 2012 11:22 Mohdoo wrote: Alcohol is harder to get in high school than weed is.
This is so true. Prohibition isn't control, it is admittance that there is no desire to control.
This is not true at all. Or at least with any high school I know of.
Getting booze was always a challenge and we always had to pay the boot like 10 bucks so we would be paying $35 for a mickey of shitty booze and it was almost always a panic to get some. We would also have to bus for like 40 minutes to get to a Gov't owned liquor store.
Or at my school I could ask nearly any person in my class and have a hook up after school for pot one phone call away and get an 1/8 of an ounce for like $30ish and have them drop it off.
Which one is more appealing to you?
If pot was decriminalized it would be more like alcohol and it would be much more difficult to get weed as a kid.
At the very least keeping Marijuana illegal for medication is disgusting and immoral. People suffering from Chemo, AIDS, Numerous GI Disorders and people suffering from Chronic pain are being denied treatment that would massively increase their quality of life. I watched a documentary on a soldier who was shot in the head and lost a massive chunk of his brain and the only way he could cope with the pain and his mental issues was by smoking hash.
Why the fuck would you take that away from him?
I already said marijuana is and should be treated as a medicine, and not a toy for people to abuse whenever they please...
And you believe it is the government (and more specifically your right) to regulate a harmless substance such that others can't have? So if I go and abuse hamburgers (which I enjoy on par with marijuana) you would then argue that hamburgers can be banned because I was abusing it? Your argument is flawed, why is it not medically applicable for me a healthy person? It relives stress/migraiines/anger yet I can't relieve those because you think you have the right to control substance?
What a selfish and quite honestly weak-willed viewpoint! You are not stressed; people who are in chronic pain or are terminally ill are stressed!! Normal otherwise healthy people should be strong enough to deal with reality and not have to resort to a quite literally mind-altering drug (maybe it's a mild alteration but an alteration is an alteration is an alteration; this is not just your average painkiller!!!!) to relax. Take a nap, watch a movie, hug your cat or dog. "Oh I had a stressful day" - boo hoo, the rest of the world had a stressful day and can cope with it on their own. Someone above mentioned GI track problems - well guess what, I have GI track problems from a physical defect and my father was left with a sensitive GI track after having Crohns Disease. He and I both experience horrible bouts of pain to this day and especially with me it can get to the point where I am crying and screaming in agony. Guess what? Neither one of us smoke pot because we both know that there are better ways to deal with it and more importantly, we're STRONG ENOUGH to deal with it. I do breathing exercises and my fiance will often hold my hand while I'm on the toilet as my insides are revolting against their god-given nature and bless his soul for doing so. There are people out there, however, who aren't so lucky. Cancer patients who are often in pain and weak with nausea from chemotherapy - and they need every bit of strength they can muster to recover, for example. It makes my blood boil that selfish people like you claim that you're on par with and deserve the same help as these poor souls who are truly suffering.
I think I've made myself clear. Good day to you all.
I'm not stressed? I just got into university for the first time in my life, I have no cash and already feeling the debt of a credit loan because I couldn't get my student loan approved over an issue with my Canadian Pension benefits due to my fathers death being delayed 2+ months which was required for my loan. So am I fucking stressed? Yes, you are such an idiot it is beyond argument, please go post more ridiculous articles and blanket ridiculous statements.
BTW I went out of my way to bold all the parts of your statement I found adding up to a rather stupid statement, I hope you notice a correlation of bold to text.
On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote: 3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't.
You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it.
I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal!
People putting manure in their gardens, ethnic cooking, bonfires or burning of any kind, all of these things and more stink. Get over it.
And he can just inform his local police department his neighbors are in possession of an illegal substance. Hopefully the neighbors get over it, too.
You obviously have no idea what the argument was referring to so why comment with such an idiotic assertion? The first person was arguing that smoking pot should (if legalized, so this entire hypothetical situation was over pot being legal so calling the police about a legal substance would be just about as stupid as you commenting on something you weren't paying enough attention to to understand)not be smoked in public places such that it doesn't bother his nostrils while the other poster made examples of things that are allowed that smell equally as worse or worse.
Time to... T.T read?
No shit. The guy he is quoting wants regulation, but apparently that's too much to ask for considering it's still fucking illegal to own. It's a position of ridiculous arrogance. The stupid comparisons and the aggressive "get over it" put it way over the top.
Do me a favor and put things into perspective before you respond to shit, thanks.
EPT
