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On September 03 2012 11:11 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 11:04 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 03 2012 10:57 rd wrote:On September 03 2012 10:44 HackBenjamin wrote:On September 03 2012 10:06 urashimakt wrote:On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't. You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it. I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal! People putting manure in their gardens, ethnic cooking, bonfires or burning of any kind, all of these things and more stink. Get over it. And he can just inform his local police department his neighbors are in possession of an illegal substance. Hopefully the neighbors get over it, too. You obviously have no idea what the argument was referring to so why comment with such an idiotic assertion? The first person was arguing that smoking pot should (if legalized, so this entire hypothetical situation was over pot being legal so calling the police about a legal substance would be just about as stupid as you commenting on something you weren't paying enough attention to to understand)not be smoked in public places such that it doesn't bother his nostrils while the other poster made examples of things that are allowed that smell equally as worse or worse. Time to... T.T read? No shit. The guy he is quoting wants regulation, but apparently that's too much to ask for considering it's still fucking illegal to own. It's a position of ridiculous arrogance. The stupid comparisons and the aggressive "get over it" put it way over the top. Do me a favor and put things into perspective before you respond to shit, thanks.
I do agree, I was responding to "shit" ^^ See that, I took your statement and made a ridiculous statement that was unrelated.
If you are going to comment on a hypothetical stituation, you follow the hypothetical... You don't throw in a random "But it's illegal!" to feel witty because you managed to find a way to insult someone for being arrogant while being hypocritically arrogant in the process.
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As long as it has all the restrictions of alcohol, and all the restrictions of tobacco (the strictest restriction applying where there is overlap) and some restrictions that are unique to Marijuana itself (Such as restriction on where you're allowed to use it.) I'd be fine with legalizing it.
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On September 03 2012 11:16 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 11:11 rd wrote:On September 03 2012 11:04 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 03 2012 10:57 rd wrote:On September 03 2012 10:44 HackBenjamin wrote:On September 03 2012 10:06 urashimakt wrote:On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't. You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it. I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal! People putting manure in their gardens, ethnic cooking, bonfires or burning of any kind, all of these things and more stink. Get over it. And he can just inform his local police department his neighbors are in possession of an illegal substance. Hopefully the neighbors get over it, too. You obviously have no idea what the argument was referring to so why comment with such an idiotic assertion? The first person was arguing that smoking pot should (if legalized, so this entire hypothetical situation was over pot being legal so calling the police about a legal substance would be just about as stupid as you commenting on something you weren't paying enough attention to to understand)not be smoked in public places such that it doesn't bother his nostrils while the other poster made examples of things that are allowed that smell equally as worse or worse. Time to... T.T read? No shit. The guy he is quoting wants regulation, but apparently that's too much to ask for considering it's still fucking illegal to own. It's a position of ridiculous arrogance. The stupid comparisons and the aggressive "get over it" put it way over the top. Do me a favor and put things into perspective before you respond to shit, thanks. I do agree, I was responding to "shit" ^^ See that, I took your statement and made a ridiculous statement that was unrelated. If you are going to comment on a hypothetical stituation, you follow the hypothetical... You don't throw in a random "But it's illegal!" to feel witty because you managed to find a way to insult someone for being arrogant while being hypocritically arrogant in the process.
The hypothetical also requires that you had to reasonably arrive there at some point. I can't imagine a world where marijuana is finally legalized and marijuana users essentially tell regulators to "fuck off" with absolutely no humility. Would you rather marijuana be illegal with upwards of a felony for possession, or legal with a neighbor knocking on your door asking you to be a little more considerate (with the law on their side).
It's fairly arrogant to assume you're in a position of power in these "hypotheticals" to tell someone to "get over it." Probably were some smokers at some point who told everyone the same thing before regulators cracked down on that, too.
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On September 03 2012 08:12 MagnuMizer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 08:01 Sacred Reich wrote:
I don't think weed should be legalized. There is a new study out showing the mitigating effects of Weed on the IQ's of long term weed smokers. I know the matter of IQ and how relevant it is is dubious business, but you cannot deny that any regression on a persons mental performance is an issue.
I understand the need for people to have a getaway plan from the harsh pressures of life, but is smoking a narcotic really necessary? There are plenty of good old fashion ways to hit a high.. Have some friends over, cook a big meal and stuff your face, have sex, do some outdoor exercise. Please link the source of this new study.. I'm genuinly quite interested being a long term heavy weed smoker (7+ years daily). As for legalization, I have a really easy time already acquiring weed and the cops don't bother me (yes, come to Copenhagen, its the new Amsterdam - well its always been) Therefore, I dont really need it to be legal, the only benefits i could see for me personally, would be cheaper weed, and absolutely zero paranoia about cops.. And maybe even my parents would look at it differently.. But as is; its fine =) I must say though, from my personal experience - I've been getting high every single day apart from maybe some holidays ive been on with my parents or whatever, but I dont feel any different, i'm a university student, i'm fit, i have a hot girlfriend, i got a job - money... Basically my life is awesome cos on top of all that i play fucking STARCRAFT2 baby! Your right though mr. Reich... You dont NEED weed... but i sure as hell love it...
Here is the link to the study:
http://news.yahoo.com/smoking-pot-teen-years-lowers-iq-later-190512815.html
You could be a small percentage of weed smokers who balances their weed habit with copious amounts of healthy exercise and activity to promote good health both mentally and physically. I cannot say the same for a large majority however, not when Weed itself has the qualities of a barbiturate and hallucinogen (I could be wrong here).
Has anybody every thought about the difference between smoking pure Marijuana straight from the earth as opposed to smoking Weed off of dealers? Surely mixing tobacco and other preservatives with the Marijuana (for selling) would have some effects?
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On September 03 2012 11:27 Sacred Reich wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 08:12 MagnuMizer wrote:On September 03 2012 08:01 Sacred Reich wrote:
I don't think weed should be legalized. There is a new study out showing the mitigating effects of Weed on the IQ's of long term weed smokers. I know the matter of IQ and how relevant it is is dubious business, but you cannot deny that any regression on a persons mental performance is an issue.
I understand the need for people to have a getaway plan from the harsh pressures of life, but is smoking a narcotic really necessary? There are plenty of good old fashion ways to hit a high.. Have some friends over, cook a big meal and stuff your face, have sex, do some outdoor exercise. Please link the source of this new study.. I'm genuinly quite interested being a long term heavy weed smoker (7+ years daily). As for legalization, I have a really easy time already acquiring weed and the cops don't bother me (yes, come to Copenhagen, its the new Amsterdam - well its always been) Therefore, I dont really need it to be legal, the only benefits i could see for me personally, would be cheaper weed, and absolutely zero paranoia about cops.. And maybe even my parents would look at it differently.. But as is; its fine =) I must say though, from my personal experience - I've been getting high every single day apart from maybe some holidays ive been on with my parents or whatever, but I dont feel any different, i'm a university student, i'm fit, i have a hot girlfriend, i got a job - money... Basically my life is awesome cos on top of all that i play fucking STARCRAFT2 baby! Your right though mr. Reich... You dont NEED weed... but i sure as hell love it... Here is the link to the study: http://news.yahoo.com/smoking-pot-teen-years-lowers-iq-later-190512815.htmlYou could be a small percentage of weed smokers who balances their weed habit with copious amounts of healthy exercise and activity to promote good health both mentally and physically. I cannot say the same for a large majority however, not when Weed itself has the qualities of a barbiturate and hallucinogen (I could be wrong here). Has anybody every thought about the difference between smoking pure Marijuana straight from the earth as opposed to smoking Weed off of dealers? Surely mixing tobacco and other preservatives with the Marijuana (for selling) would have some effects?
Perhaps the most dangerous aspect of barbiturates is their tendency to suppress breathing in doses approaching overdose, not to mention the strong physical aspect of barbiturate addiction, neither of which are present with marijuana whatsoever. They are rather incomparable.
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On September 03 2012 11:27 Sacred Reich wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 08:12 MagnuMizer wrote:On September 03 2012 08:01 Sacred Reich wrote:
I don't think weed should be legalized. There is a new study out showing the mitigating effects of Weed on the IQ's of long term weed smokers. I know the matter of IQ and how relevant it is is dubious business, but you cannot deny that any regression on a persons mental performance is an issue.
I understand the need for people to have a getaway plan from the harsh pressures of life, but is smoking a narcotic really necessary? There are plenty of good old fashion ways to hit a high.. Have some friends over, cook a big meal and stuff your face, have sex, do some outdoor exercise. Please link the source of this new study.. I'm genuinly quite interested being a long term heavy weed smoker (7+ years daily). As for legalization, I have a really easy time already acquiring weed and the cops don't bother me (yes, come to Copenhagen, its the new Amsterdam - well its always been) Therefore, I dont really need it to be legal, the only benefits i could see for me personally, would be cheaper weed, and absolutely zero paranoia about cops.. And maybe even my parents would look at it differently.. But as is; its fine =) I must say though, from my personal experience - I've been getting high every single day apart from maybe some holidays ive been on with my parents or whatever, but I dont feel any different, i'm a university student, i'm fit, i have a hot girlfriend, i got a job - money... Basically my life is awesome cos on top of all that i play fucking STARCRAFT2 baby! Your right though mr. Reich... You dont NEED weed... but i sure as hell love it... Here is the link to the study: http://news.yahoo.com/smoking-pot-teen-years-lowers-iq-later-190512815.htmlYou could be a small percentage of weed smokers who balances their weed habit with copious amounts of healthy exercise and activity to promote good health both mentally and physically. I cannot say the same for a large majority however, not when Weed itself has the qualities of a barbiturate and hallucinogen (I could be wrong here). Has anybody every thought about the difference between smoking pure Marijuana straight from the earth as opposed to smoking Weed off of dealers? Surely mixing tobacco and other preservatives with the Marijuana (for selling) would have some effects?
There is a very simple counter argument
http://coedmagazine.com/2011/02/02/the-10-smartest-pot-smokers-on-the-planet-cool-enough-to-admit-it/
You can't just take a study of 1,000 people where of those 1000 people only 5% (50 people) were smoking pot. So basically they did a study of 50 pot smokers which had some IQ drops that could arguably be related to any number of different circumstances.
The study is interesting, I would like to see it expanded upon before it gets any weight (especially with a world full of pot smokers doing amazing things)
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On September 02 2012 11:22 Mohdoo wrote:
Alcohol is harder to get in high school than weed is.
I'm 26 and everything was easier than alcohol to get in high school. Pills, weed, and cocaine were all easier to get than alcohol.
Prohibition just doesn't work. If you make anything you can possess illegal. There will be a black market. You can't get rid of it. Guns, Drugs, Alcohol, etc...
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On September 03 2012 10:52 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 10:44 HackBenjamin wrote:On September 03 2012 10:06 urashimakt wrote:On September 03 2012 09:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
3) Why pot should be illegal vs every other drug that isn't. You might think I jest here but I don't, I promise. My biggest gripe with free marijuana use is that it stinks. Like, really stinks. It's a potent odor and it permeates. I wouldn't mind even if it did cause you cancer, that'd be your decision to make, but until there's legislation offered that restricts smoking it where it could be a nuisance to others (in the same manner as cigarettes), I just can't support it. I really can't believe how that stuff hangs around even outdoors. It's like a dead animal! People putting manure in their gardens, ethnic cooking, bonfires or burning of any kind, all of these things and more stink. Get over it. If you have a neighbor maintaining bonfires in his backyard then I agree that you have bigger problems than I do. Other than that, I wouldn't compare "ethnic" cooking or gardening to what I'm talking about.
Really? I have East Indian Neighbours and my entire neighbourhood smells of their (delicious) food all summer. It does get to be a bit old at times smelling curry 24/7.
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The OP made the thread in such an annoying undertone and with such lack of objectivity, that even though I support the legalization of marihuana, it made me think that maybe people are not ready for it.
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I watched the first link and there is so much blatant propaganda in it. Every item and substance should be decriminalized and many should be made legal but dont make blatant lies like pot is the miracle cure to disease and natural resource use.
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Everyone ignore everything in the OP and just watch The Union on youtube 
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On September 03 2012 11:27 Sacred Reich wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 08:12 MagnuMizer wrote:On September 03 2012 08:01 Sacred Reich wrote:
I don't think weed should be legalized. There is a new study out showing the mitigating effects of Weed on the IQ's of long term weed smokers. I know the matter of IQ and how relevant it is is dubious business, but you cannot deny that any regression on a persons mental performance is an issue.
I understand the need for people to have a getaway plan from the harsh pressures of life, but is smoking a narcotic really necessary? There are plenty of good old fashion ways to hit a high.. Have some friends over, cook a big meal and stuff your face, have sex, do some outdoor exercise. Please link the source of this new study.. I'm genuinly quite interested being a long term heavy weed smoker (7+ years daily). As for legalization, I have a really easy time already acquiring weed and the cops don't bother me (yes, come to Copenhagen, its the new Amsterdam - well its always been) Therefore, I dont really need it to be legal, the only benefits i could see for me personally, would be cheaper weed, and absolutely zero paranoia about cops.. And maybe even my parents would look at it differently.. But as is; its fine =) I must say though, from my personal experience - I've been getting high every single day apart from maybe some holidays ive been on with my parents or whatever, but I dont feel any different, i'm a university student, i'm fit, i have a hot girlfriend, i got a job - money... Basically my life is awesome cos on top of all that i play fucking STARCRAFT2 baby! Your right though mr. Reich... You dont NEED weed... but i sure as hell love it... Here is the link to the study: http://news.yahoo.com/smoking-pot-teen-years-lowers-iq-later-190512815.htmlYou could be a small percentage of weed smokers who balances their weed habit with copious amounts of healthy exercise and activity to promote good health both mentally and physically. I cannot say the same for a large majority however, not when Weed itself has the qualities of a barbiturate and hallucinogen (I could be wrong here). Has anybody every thought about the difference between smoking pure Marijuana straight from the earth as opposed to smoking Weed off of dealers? Surely mixing tobacco and other preservatives with the Marijuana (for selling) would have some effects?
Dealers don't sell marijuana with other stuff in it usually.
It's either bud you bought or you ended up with oregano/grass clippings and you are a retard.
People don't normally end up smoking it if it's not bud.. and ppl dont mix tobacco in for selling.
Edit: and the bud you get from dealers is straight from the earth..
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I have to say the American experience of "cocaine is easier to get than alcohol" sounds so bizarre I can't even believe it. I have never seen a dealer in my life and I wouldn't even know where to look for one, why is it that they hang around high schools in the USA without people doing something about it?
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On September 03 2012 19:55 Grumbels wrote:
I have to say the American experience of "cocaine is easier to get than alcohol" sounds so bizarre I can't even believe it. I have never seen a dealer in my life and I wouldn't even know where to look for one, why is it that they hang around high schools in the USA without people doing something about it?
I agree, that is greatly exaggerated. Even if you somehow found out your local grounds keeper was a coke dealer, where do kids get the $200-400 per gram.
I live in Aus so I'm pretty sure our coke prices are highly inflated compared to you Americans, so please don't burn me at the stake for the price quote.
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On September 03 2012 19:55 Grumbels wrote:
I have to say the American experience of "cocaine is easier to get than alcohol" sounds so bizarre I can't even believe it. I have never seen a dealer in my life and I wouldn't even know where to look for one, why is it that they hang around high schools in the USA without people doing something about it?
if youre not in the "scene" in any way chances are you just dont know how things work/where to look. you saw many dealers im sure. you talked to many people that had a line 5 mins before on the toilet. you just dont notice.
thats pretty much what people mean with the "legal access = weed no gateway drug anymore". if future new smokers would just walk into a shop and buy something instead of having to deal with this whole drug subculture they wouldnt know where to look for other stuff either.
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On September 03 2012 20:06 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 19:55 Grumbels wrote:
I have to say the American experience of "cocaine is easier to get than alcohol" sounds so bizarre I can't even believe it. I have never seen a dealer in my life and I wouldn't even know where to look for one, why is it that they hang around high schools in the USA without people doing something about it? I agree, that is greatly exaggerated. Even if you somehow found out your local grounds keeper was a coke dealer, where do kids get the $200-400 per gram. I live in Aus so I'm pretty sure our coke prices are highly inflated compared to you Americans, so please don't burn me at the stake for the price quote.
Make that less than 50 per gram and you might understand how they can afford it.
I don't know what kind of school you went to, but i went to half-private schools (decent schools) and i could get coke rather easily.
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On September 03 2012 19:55 Grumbels wrote:
I have to say the American experience of "cocaine is easier to get than alcohol" sounds so bizarre I can't even believe it. I have never seen a dealer in my life and I wouldn't even know where to look for one, why is it that they hang around high schools in the USA without people doing something about it?
Cocaine is so easy to get in the United States it's absolutely ridiculous.
I do police crap and if I wanted to do a mini coke bust each day I'm at my job it would be so laughably easy. Chances are you've seen a dealer plenty of times but you just weren't looking for them or didn't know what you were looking at.
On September 03 2012 20:06 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 19:55 Grumbels wrote:
I have to say the American experience of "cocaine is easier to get than alcohol" sounds so bizarre I can't even believe it. I have never seen a dealer in my life and I wouldn't even know where to look for one, why is it that they hang around high schools in the USA without people doing something about it? I agree, that is greatly exaggerated. Even if you somehow found out your local grounds keeper was a coke dealer, where do kids get the $200-400 per gram. I live in Aus so I'm pretty sure our coke prices are highly inflated compared to you Americans, so please don't burn me at the stake for the price quote.
Coke in the United states can be as low as 25-30 per gram depending on where you live. It tends to be 60-70 or so in major cities but that's a hell of a lot easier to manage working a minimum wage job than 200-400.
The reason people consider Weed a "gateway" drug is because a weed dealer very rarely ever just sells weed. They usually sell weed as their little side item while dealing in something more lucrative like coke, heroin, or MDMA, The only drug that I haven't found in a very long time is LSD. LSD usage seems to be on the decline for some reason.
My personal opinion is that most drugs should be legalized...but seeing as that's a pipe dream Weed absolutely should be legalized. I'm tired of dealing with it anyway.
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instead of doing a study of 1000 people, and finding 50 of them smoked pot, and had IQ drops. why not pick 1000 people who are known to have had IQ drops, and find out how many of them frequently smokes pot?
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On September 03 2012 21:07 Ikidomari wrote:
instead of doing a study of 1000 people, and finding 50 of them smoked pot, and had IQ drops. why not pick 1000 people who are known to have had IQ drops, and find out how many of them frequently smokes pot?
Maybe because a person dropping IQ spontaneously is hard to measure. Its easier to pick out a group of weed smokers and measure some factor that could be related to IQ over say a 5 year period. As opposed to randomly deciding if a person (adolescent or not) had an IQ drop then wondering if he smoked weed or not.
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in my opinion, any drug should be legalized.
Ppl that wanna throw their lives will do it anyway and we would probably have a lot less violence in the world.
99% of the ppl that took drugs before would still do - and 99% of the ppl who dont wouldnt.
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