On September 04 2012 00:10 LazerApe wrote: My 2 cents
I dont think its an easy decision if weed should be legalized or not, and i think it requires some forethought. These are my initial thoughts and since im not really good at economics or law , feel free to poke holes on my thoughts.
Positives with legalizing weed:
Weed related crimes may drop, dependence on a private dealer disappeare to a degree.
Negatives:
Depending on the legislation, it might open a market corporations to make money, with advirtisment etc etc, and might increase consumption of weed ( wich i honestly dont see as a positive, same goes for alcohole), people with addictive personalties which might not have exposed to weed might be with the new legislation. IF increased consumption becomes an issue, where will it be farmed? can that have longtime reprocussions, ie taking up farmland that could have better uses like food.
I dont belive in keeping drugs illigal just because some people get addicted, just as some people cant handle alcohole, some people can handle it fine, and actually be better for it. However like i said earlier, if weed should be legalized, we need to think carefully of what its longtime reprocussions might be.
Personally im not really decided on the matter.
People with addictive personalities are more prone to becoming a drunk in today's society. They'd be much better off getting stoned. In any case, those types of people can become addicted to literally anything. So, using them in an arguement is no good.
Weed doesn't have to take up any farmland. You can grow plants without soil, and they tend to be a lot fucking better. This is why you see two types of weed. Reggie and Dro.
Btw, we use farmland for to grow cotton. Is that a good use since it's not food being gown?
On September 03 2012 23:22 Matkap wrote: Legalizing weed would NOT make it cheapier at ALL
You don't have a clue, man. The price would DROP.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but he's not the clueless one you are. Do you have any evidence to back that bs up ?
Just look at Amsterdam or anywhere in The Netherlands, prices sure as hell did NOT drop. Weed is expensive as fuck up there, i know i go there 4x a year.
Growing weed would require a licence cost thousands of dollars so you couldn't grow it yourself. and then they would tax it even more than tobacco making it expensive as fuck. the more i think about it the more i think it's just fine as it is right now, in Belgium at least. They don't even give a fuck if you have plants at home.
Supply and Demand. At first, prices could very well go up due to demand. However, a lot of supply can help keep prices down. Very basic economics.
Supply and demand is true for things that aren't taxed like cigarettes and alcohol. Weed will be taxed like them, so prices will definitely go up
On September 04 2012 00:10 LazerApe wrote: My 2 cents
I dont think its an easy decision if weed should be legalized or not, and i think it requires some forethought. These are my initial thoughts and since im not really good at economics or law , feel free to poke holes on my thoughts.
Positives with legalizing weed:
Weed related crimes may drop, dependence on a private dealer disappeare to a degree.
Negatives:
Depending on the legislation, it might open a market corporations to make money, with advirtisment etc etc, and might increase consumption of weed ( wich i honestly dont see as a positive, same goes for alcohole), people with addictive personalties which might not have exposed to weed might be with the new legislation. IF increased consumption becomes an issue, where will it be farmed? can that have longtime reprocussions, ie taking up farmland that could have better uses like food.
I dont belive in keeping drugs illigal just because some people get addicted, just as some people cant handle alcohole, some people can handle it fine, and actually be better for it. However like i said earlier, if weed should be legalized, we need to think carefully of what its longtime reprocussions might be.
Personally im not really decided on the matter.
People with addictive personalities are more prone to becoming a drunk in today's society. They'd be much better off getting stoned. In any case, those types of people can become addicted to literally anything. So, using them in an arguement is no good.
Weed doesn't have to take up any farmland. You can grow plants without soil, and they tend to be a lot fucking better. This is why you see two types of weed. Reggie and Dro.
Btw, we use farmland for to grow cotton. Is that a good use since it's not food being gown?
Yes, which is why i said i didnt belive in keeping it illiegal for just people getting addicted to it.
I did not know that.
I would argue that cotton is one of the better uses for farmland, i never said food was the only use. Since its provides thing such as clothing and other uses. Which i find more usefull then weed farming.
On September 03 2012 23:22 Matkap wrote: Legalizing weed would NOT make it cheapier at ALL
You don't have a clue, man. The price would DROP.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but he's not the clueless one you are. Do you have any evidence to back that bs up ?
Just look at Amsterdam or anywhere in The Netherlands, prices sure as hell did NOT drop. Weed is expensive as fuck up there, i know i go there 4x a year.
Growing weed would require a licence cost thousands of dollars so you couldn't grow it yourself. and then they would tax it even more than tobacco making it expensive as fuck. the more i think about it the more i think it's just fine as it is right now, in Belgium at least. They don't even give a fuck if you have plants at home.
Supply and Demand. At first, prices could very well go up due to demand. However, a lot of supply can help keep prices down. Very basic economics.
Supply and demand is true for things that aren't taxed like cigarettes and alcohol. Weed will be taxed like them, so prices will definitely go up
There's taxed supply and demand, as well.
Okay true, but the equilibrium will be set much higher if it's taxed like cigs and alcohol. The price will go up man
On September 03 2012 23:22 Matkap wrote: Legalizing weed would NOT make it cheapier at ALL
You don't have a clue, man. The price would DROP.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but he's not the clueless one you are. Do you have any evidence to back that bs up ?
Just look at Amsterdam or anywhere in The Netherlands, prices sure as hell did NOT drop. Weed is expensive as fuck up there, i know i go there 4x a year.
yes, because the netherlands is the only country around that legalized weed, so they can make the prizes whatever the fuck they want them to be
sorry to burst your bubble too, but it's not the only country where it is legalized. Some regions in Switzerland sell it 'openly' and it's not the only country.
again, i know i've been there. Psylos use to be legal too in Switzerland until some kid fucked up while under the influence and now it isn't anymore. such a shame cuz they were good Psylos.
Weed import is still illegal in NL only the selling of it is decriminalised in coffee shops which is why the prices won't really drop. Though because it's technically not legal it can't be taxed by the government which will matter a great deal if it ever gets legal.
the real question is, why are we preventing so many poor people from making money off selling cannabis textiles and biofuels ?
Alcohol is just as bad (who am i kidding, its a much worse drug in terms of social damage) and its legalized with industrialized production, TV adds, a whole culture around it etc...
But OH NO ITS THE WEED HIDE THE KIDS! HONEY GRAB ME SOME BEER WHILE I TALK SOME SENSE INTO THOSE POTHEADS
Decades, trillions of dollars and the USA the best country in the world couldnt even diminish the marijuana usage, why would the rest of the world be able to ?
Just my 2 cents, I've been smoking for over six years and haven't been busted, caught or ticketed ( knock on wood ). I'm completely fine with it being illegal, as it's a privilege to have something like that, and not to be taken upon greedily. If it becomes legal, there's still going to be an underground market trying to to beat the gov. prices, etc etc.
On September 03 2012 23:22 Matkap wrote: Legalizing weed would NOT make it cheapier at ALL
You don't have a clue, man. The price would DROP.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but he's not the clueless one you are. Do you have any evidence to back that bs up ?
Just look at Amsterdam or anywhere in The Netherlands, prices sure as hell did NOT drop. Weed is expensive as fuck up there, i know i go there 4x a year.
Growing weed would require a licence cost thousands of dollars so you couldn't grow it yourself. and then they would tax it even more than tobacco making it expensive as fuck. the more i think about it the more i think it's just fine as it is right now, in Belgium at least. They don't even give a fuck if you have plants at home.
Supply and Demand. At first, prices could very well go up due to demand. However, a lot of supply can help keep prices down. Very basic economics.
Supply and demand is true for things that aren't taxed like cigarettes and alcohol. Weed will be taxed like them, so prices will definitely go up
There's taxed supply and demand, as well.
Okay true, but the equilibrium will be set much higher if it's taxed like cigs and alcohol. The price will go up man
It didn't seem that expensive to me when I was in Amsterdam. You seem to be operating off of the assumption that dealers are giving you fair market value, and that by taxing it the price can only go up. As far as I know, at least around here, it gets marked up quite a bit by the time the bag reaches your hands, the biggest reason being the illegality.
Seems to me that with a properly run industry that can't mark it up because there is so much legal supply, and a reasonable tax on it like cigarettes and alcohol, it could still be the same price that you're paying now, if not cheaper.
The government, shouldn't be able to say what we do. That being said, it is still illegal to smoke it, so it is wrong. You can't just break a law because you don't agree with it. Did you know that you are more likely to die walking drunk then you are driving drunk?
On September 04 2012 02:39 genesis_crimsonheart wrote: The government, shouldn't be able to say what we do. That being said, it is still illegal to smoke it, so it is wrong. You can't just break a law because you don't agree with it. Did you know that you are more likely to die walking drunk then you are driving drunk?
Beyond what Jefferson says, that's possibly the worst philosophy I've ever heard. I know they're supposed to be subjective, but that logic would make Anne Frank wrong for not turning herself in. You don't just do what you're told, or almost nothing would have ever been accomplished. We would have stopped at religion, and never attempted to discover or change anything. The American Revolution was wrong. The protests against Vietnam were wrong. Fighting the Jim Crow(e?) laws was wrong. Rosa Parks was wrong. Little Rock was wrong. Ghandi was wrong. Nelson Mandela was wrong. The Arab Spring is wrong.
On September 04 2012 00:10 LazerApe wrote: My 2 cents
I dont think its an easy decision if weed should be legalized or not, and i think it requires some forethought. These are my initial thoughts and since im not really good at economics or law , feel free to poke holes on my thoughts.
Positives with legalizing weed:
Weed related crimes may drop, dependence on a private dealer disappeare to a degree.
Negatives:
Depending on the legislation, it might open a market corporations to make money, with advirtisment etc etc, and might increase consumption of weed ( wich i honestly dont see as a positive, same goes for alcohole), people with addictive personalties which might not have exposed to weed might be with the new legislation. IF increased consumption becomes an issue, where will it be farmed? can that have longtime reprocussions, ie taking up farmland that could have better uses like food.
I dont belive in keeping drugs illigal just because some people get addicted, just as some people cant handle alcohole, some people can handle it fine, and actually be better for it. However like i said earlier, if weed should be legalized, we need to think carefully of what its longtime reprocussions might be.
Personally im not really decided on the matter.
People with addictive personalities are more prone to becoming a drunk in today's society. They'd be much better off getting stoned. In any case, those types of people can become addicted to literally anything. So, using them in an arguement is no good.
Weed doesn't have to take up any farmland. You can grow plants without soil, and they tend to be a lot fucking better. This is why you see two types of weed. Reggie and Dro.
Btw, we use farmland for to grow cotton. Is that a good use since it's not food being gown?
Yes, which is why i said i didnt belive in keeping it illiegal for just people getting addicted to it.
I did not know that.
I would argue that cotton is one of the better uses for farmland, i never said food was the only use. Since its provides thing such as clothing and other uses. Which i find more usefull then weed farming.
You realize marijuana can make 50,000 different materials right? It's not just for smoking bro...
On September 04 2012 00:10 LazerApe wrote: My 2 cents
I dont think its an easy decision if weed should be legalized or not, and i think it requires some forethought. These are my initial thoughts and since im not really good at economics or law , feel free to poke holes on my thoughts.
Positives with legalizing weed:
Weed related crimes may drop, dependence on a private dealer disappeare to a degree.
Negatives:
Depending on the legislation, it might open a market corporations to make money, with advirtisment etc etc, and might increase consumption of weed ( wich i honestly dont see as a positive, same goes for alcohole), people with addictive personalties which might not have exposed to weed might be with the new legislation. IF increased consumption becomes an issue, where will it be farmed? can that have longtime reprocussions, ie taking up farmland that could have better uses like food.
I dont belive in keeping drugs illigal just because some people get addicted, just as some people cant handle alcohole, some people can handle it fine, and actually be better for it. However like i said earlier, if weed should be legalized, we need to think carefully of what its longtime reprocussions might be.
Personally im not really decided on the matter.
People with addictive personalities are more prone to becoming a drunk in today's society. They'd be much better off getting stoned. In any case, those types of people can become addicted to literally anything. So, using them in an arguement is no good.
Weed doesn't have to take up any farmland. You can grow plants without soil, and they tend to be a lot fucking better. This is why you see two types of weed. Reggie and Dro.
Btw, we use farmland for to grow cotton. Is that a good use since it's not food being gown?
Yes, which is why i said i didnt belive in keeping it illiegal for just people getting addicted to it.
I did not know that.
I would argue that cotton is one of the better uses for farmland, i never said food was the only use. Since its provides thing such as clothing and other uses. Which i find more usefull then weed farming.
You realize marijuana can make 50,000 different materials right? It's not just for smoking bro...
Im sure you are interested in those, and not at all just interested in getting high.
On September 04 2012 00:10 LazerApe wrote: My 2 cents
I dont think its an easy decision if weed should be legalized or not, and i think it requires some forethought. These are my initial thoughts and since im not really good at economics or law , feel free to poke holes on my thoughts.
Positives with legalizing weed:
Weed related crimes may drop, dependence on a private dealer disappeare to a degree.
Negatives:
Depending on the legislation, it might open a market corporations to make money, with advirtisment etc etc, and might increase consumption of weed ( wich i honestly dont see as a positive, same goes for alcohole), people with addictive personalties which might not have exposed to weed might be with the new legislation. IF increased consumption becomes an issue, where will it be farmed? can that have longtime reprocussions, ie taking up farmland that could have better uses like food.
I dont belive in keeping drugs illigal just because some people get addicted, just as some people cant handle alcohole, some people can handle it fine, and actually be better for it. However like i said earlier, if weed should be legalized, we need to think carefully of what its longtime reprocussions might be.
Personally im not really decided on the matter.
People with addictive personalities are more prone to becoming a drunk in today's society. They'd be much better off getting stoned. In any case, those types of people can become addicted to literally anything. So, using them in an arguement is no good.
Weed doesn't have to take up any farmland. You can grow plants without soil, and they tend to be a lot fucking better. This is why you see two types of weed. Reggie and Dro.
Btw, we use farmland for to grow cotton. Is that a good use since it's not food being gown?
Yes, which is why i said i didnt belive in keeping it illiegal for just people getting addicted to it.
I did not know that.
I would argue that cotton is one of the better uses for farmland, i never said food was the only use. Since its provides thing such as clothing and other uses. Which i find more usefull then weed farming.
You realize marijuana can make 50,000 different materials right? It's not just for smoking bro...
Im sure you are interested in those, and not at all just interested in getting high.
That's not the point. Do my interest change the usefulness of the plant?
Catch]22 just so you know marijuana is the cure for cancer, an the above link is a documentary about all the research being done outside of the US proving that it cures cancer, or a better wording, eating active thc gives your body the tools it needs to kill cancer cells. it can also be made into bio diesel, so in other words we could use it as green energy. an if we grew hemp for fuel, the crops we would have to grow would create a massive amount of oxygen, the same amount of oxygen that we lose when we burn it, creating a closed circuit ending the green house effect.
Housing - A company in France has patented a concrete substitute made by calcifying hemp stalks into a solid mass. The resulting material is called Isochanvre, as is the company name. Isochanvre is as strong as concrete but weighs only 1/7th as much. It is also more flexible and a much better insulator, making it better able to withstand natural disasters. The company has already built hundreds of these all-natural houses in Europe and was the first to do so in Canada. Such building materials would significantly lessen the impact of taking from the environment without replenishing it.
This photo is incredibly stupid, as it is common knowledge that Amy Winehouse consumed nearly every recreational drug in existence and Whitney Houston smoked crack like Tyrone Biggums. There is a good social policy argument to be made in favor of legalizing marijuana and this is not that.
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