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s_k_911
Profile Joined August 2008
China361 Posts
July 03 2025 06:26 GMT
#1
”Jedi“:(Wiki)JeDi

Some unknown Korea Guy played the CSL match as Jedi’ID when Jedi vs AP.
“Jedi” is suspended from the SC competitions in China for two years by organizer.
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s_k_911
Profile Joined August 2008
China361 Posts
July 03 2025 06:30 GMT
#2
CSL is a SC tournament organised basicly online .But the finals of CSL may be 2day's offline matchs in a city.
apm200 terran play for fun
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands819 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-03 07:24:41
July 03 2025 07:24 GMT
#3
On July 03 2025 15:26 s_k_911 wrote:
”Jedi“:(Wiki)JeDi

Some unknown Korea Guy played the CSL match as Jedi’ID when Jedi vs AP.
“Jedi” is suspended from the SC competitions in China for two years by organizer.

I can help uncover who it is that played for Jedi if I can get access to the replays.
JDON MY SOUL!
Calvinbobo
Profile Joined June 2003
China90 Posts
July 03 2025 16:15 GMT
#4
On July 03 2025 16:24 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
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On July 03 2025 15:26 s_k_911 wrote:
”Jedi“:(Wiki)JeDi

Some unknown Korea Guy played the CSL match as Jedi’ID when Jedi vs AP.
“Jedi” is suspended from the SC competitions in China for two years by organizer.

I can help uncover who it is that played for Jedi if I can get access to the replays.


Thanks! I have obtained several reps and will send them to you later today.
Uncletoss/Nkubobo/Calvinbobo/Xiao[tQ]
Calvinbobo
Profile Joined June 2003
China90 Posts
July 03 2025 16:18 GMT
#5
Most likely, some Korean guy played for Jedi and beat Mihu five times in a row a few years ago, which ended Mihu's dominance in the Chinese BW scene. Ironically, Jedi had been branding himself as "Mihu Slayer"...
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bochs
Profile Joined February 2022
109 Posts
July 04 2025 02:45 GMT
#6
There is also suspicion of a middleman, as Jedi can't communicate in Korean or English, unless the Korean shadow player can communicate in Chinese, which is extremely unlikely.

Jedi has so far confessed to cheating in yesterday's matches against AP. He also apologized to Xiaoxiaoma, implying cheating in CSL season 16 ro4, which was 3 months ago. Now the Chinese SC community suspects that this cheating streak may have started since as far as a few years ago.

However, Jedi's apology video didn't reveal the Korean shadow player, the possible middleman, nor for how long he had been cheating. The community at large is in shock, and sick with rage.
sas.Sziky
Profile Joined October 2011
Hungary291 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-04 09:04:59
July 04 2025 09:04 GMT
#7
2 year is very less if he is 37 years old, or maybe if he pays back money to the players then maybe.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15919 Posts
July 04 2025 09:30 GMT
#8
Maybe he's just using the force?
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6556 Posts
July 04 2025 10:43 GMT
#9
On July 04 2025 18:04 sas.Sziky wrote:
2 year is very less if he is 37 years old, or maybe if he pays back money to the players then maybe.


This r*tard is 37 years old and calling himself the mihu slayer while allowing another player to play ?? Guy is a psycho. Not even kidding. Lock him for 5 years maybe at his 40s he will gain some decenscy. I cant believe this shit is real my god.
tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada404 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-04 13:10:17
July 04 2025 13:09 GMT
#10
On July 04 2025 11:45 bochs wrote:Now the Chinese SC community suspects that this cheating streak may have started since as far as a few years ago.


If I was a participant I would be angry too. Liquipedia say his Approx. Total Winnings:$49,384.

Was he a talented and well-respected player before cheating started? If he was good then its just kindof sad. Because why risk your entire career for winning a tournament? Maybe he had personal or financial troubles?

Let us hope that he takes a long time to reflect, and that he comes back a more respectful and self-respecting person.
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bochs
Profile Joined February 2022
109 Posts
July 04 2025 15:18 GMT
#11
On July 04 2025 22:09 tankgirl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2025 11:45 bochs wrote:Now the Chinese SC community suspects that this cheating streak may have started since as far as a few years ago.


If I was a participant I would be angry too. Liquipedia say his Approx. Total Winnings:$49,384.

Was he a talented and well-respected player before cheating started? If he was good then its just kindof sad. Because why risk your entire career for winning a tournament? Maybe he had personal or financial troubles?

Let us hope that he takes a long time to reflect, and that he comes back a more respectful and self-respecting person.


Jedi was awarded the following documented spot bonus from viewers by beating Xiaoxiaoma in CSL season 16 ro4 alone, which he has confessed to cheating. I'm sure there are additional undocumented bonuses. Note that this is on top of tournament prize.

Playoffs Viewers' Donation
$2,029.59
¥14,800
China
Zerg
JeDi

Reference: (Wiki)China Seasons League/16
JXSAZergling
Profile Joined July 2012
China31 Posts
July 05 2025 02:03 GMT
#12
Jatgril is the person who replaces Jedi. I watch for 5 hours and started imitating Jedi's formation habits for the first 6 minutes. If jatgirl could win, he continued to imitate Jedi's formation habits. In the key matches, he started using Jatgril's own formation habits after 6 minutes of imitation. In the 4-3 elimination match against xiaoxiaoma, the third set, which was 0-2 behind, started using Jatgril's formation habits. The final match after 3-3 was also a match where he imitated Jedi's formation habits for 6 minutes and completely used Jatgril's formation habits, and both of 2games won.
sas.Sziky
Profile Joined October 2011
Hungary291 Posts
July 05 2025 06:56 GMT
#13
On July 05 2025 11:03 JXSAZergling wrote:
Jatgril is the person who replaces Jedi. I watch for 5 hours and started imitating Jedi's formation habits for the first 6 minutes. If jatgirl could win, he continued to imitate Jedi's formation habits. In the key matches, he started using Jatgril's own formation habits after 6 minutes of imitation. In the 4-3 elimination match against xiaoxiaoma, the third set, which was 0-2 behind, started using Jatgril's formation habits. The final match after 3-3 was also a match where he imitated Jedi's formation habits for 6 minutes and completely used Jatgril's formation habits, and both of 2games won.


Jatgirl=Beast right?
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1547 Posts
July 05 2025 06:58 GMT
#14
On July 04 2025 22:09 tankgirl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2025 11:45 bochs wrote:Now the Chinese SC community suspects that this cheating streak may have started since as far as a few years ago.


If I was a participant I would be angry too. Liquipedia say his Approx. Total Winnings:$49,384.

Was he a talented and well-respected player before cheating started? If he was good then its just kindof sad. Because why risk your entire career for winning a tournament? Maybe he had personal or financial troubles?

Let us hope that he takes a long time to reflect, and that he comes back a more respectful and self-respecting person.


Come back? Bro, this should be perma ban and that's it. You people are too tolerant with mediocrity.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands819 Posts
July 05 2025 10:40 GMT
#15
On July 05 2025 11:03 JXSAZergling wrote:
Jatgril is the person who replaces Jedi. I watch for 5 hours and started imitating Jedi's formation habits for the first 6 minutes. If jatgirl could win, he continued to imitate Jedi's formation habits. In the key matches, he started using Jatgril's own formation habits after 6 minutes of imitation. In the 4-3 elimination match against xiaoxiaoma, the third set, which was 0-2 behind, started using Jatgril's formation habits. The final match after 3-3 was also a match where he imitated Jedi's formation habits for 6 minutes and completely used Jatgril's formation habits, and both of 2games won.

I checked all the hotkey use for the sets that Jedi had a korean play for him, and compared them to matches jedi himself played. This confirmed Jedi was not playing vs AP, and vs Xiaoma.

I recognized the hotkey use of the smurf and it is not Beast. Beast starts very simple with all hotkeys starting at 1 2 and 3. The smurf starts with a very unique hotkey set-up of 1 and 5, adding 2 and 6 after 2 minutes, and then slowly adding 3 and 7 and adding 4 very late into the game. The only person who uses this hotkey setup is MisO. I looked at 30 possible pro/semi-pro zergs and only Miso uses this hotkey set-up. It is like a fingerprint. Jedi starts with 1 2 3 and 5 and adds 4 early and 6 early. The hotkeys seem to imply it is MisO who played for Jedi. I am not 100% sure it is MisO, but it looks a lot like Miso. Plus MisO never goes hive vs p.
JDON MY SOUL!
jindi5
Profile Joined December 2021
China173 Posts
July 05 2025 11:37 GMT
#16
On July 05 2025 19:40 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2025 11:03 JXSAZergling wrote:
Jatgril is the person who replaces Jedi. I watch for 5 hours and started imitating Jedi's formation habits for the first 6 minutes. If jatgirl could win, he continued to imitate Jedi's formation habits. In the key matches, he started using Jatgril's own formation habits after 6 minutes of imitation. In the 4-3 elimination match against xiaoxiaoma, the third set, which was 0-2 behind, started using Jatgril's formation habits. The final match after 3-3 was also a match where he imitated Jedi's formation habits for 6 minutes and completely used Jatgril's formation habits, and both of 2games won.

I checked all the hotkey use for the sets that Jedi had a korean play for him, and compared them to matches jedi himself played. This confirmed Jedi was not playing vs AP, and vs Xiaoma.

I recognized the hotkey use of the smurf and it is not Beast. Beast starts very simple with all hotkeys starting at 1 2 and 3. The smurf starts with a very unique hotkey set-up of 1 and 5, adding 2 and 6 after 2 minutes, and then slowly adding 3 and 7 and adding 4 very late into the game. The only person who uses this hotkey setup is MisO. I looked at 30 possible pro/semi-pro zergs and only Miso uses this hotkey set-up. It is like a fingerprint. Jedi starts with 1 2 3 and 5 and adds 4 early and 6 early. The hotkeys seem to imply it is MisO who played for Jedi. I am not 100% sure it is MisO, but it looks a lot like Miso. Plus MisO never goes hive vs p.



Official investigation results:
The CSL organizers have determined that Jatgril/beast 유진우 is the person who replaces JeDi.
Jatgril imitated JeDi's formation habits in the game and at one point, unable to continue imitating, switched back to his own formation habits. CSL will issue another announcement later.
maybe
Profile Joined January 2008
252 Posts
July 05 2025 14:56 GMT
#17
This is obviously a big deal for the Chinese scene because you essentially cheat and win money while doing it AND ruin Mihus domination status while bragging about it lol.

But how about beast/Jatgirl? Does he get any punishment for being involved? Did he get paid to smurf? Do koreans even care about this kind of thing happening at foreign tournaments at all? I somehow kinda doubt it..
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands819 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-05 16:04:20
July 05 2025 15:59 GMT
#18
I am not convinced it is beast. the hotkeys are way too different and look too much like MisO. Not saying it can not be Beast, but hotkeys are very very hard to mimic when a person has trained their muscle memory with a very specific hotkey use for ten thousand+ gamee
JDON MY SOUL!
maybe
Profile Joined January 2008
252 Posts
July 05 2025 17:40 GMT
#19
On July 06 2025 00:59 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
I am not convinced it is beast. the hotkeys are way too different and look too much like MisO. Not saying it can not be Beast, but hotkeys are very very hard to mimic when a person has trained their muscle memory with a very specific hotkey use for ten thousand+ gamee

Where is detective zimp?
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands819 Posts
July 05 2025 18:55 GMT
#20
On July 06 2025 02:40 maybe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2025 00:59 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
I am not convinced it is beast. the hotkeys are way too different and look too much like MisO. Not saying it can not be Beast, but hotkeys are very very hard to mimic when a person has trained their muscle memory with a very specific hotkey use for ten thousand+ gamee

Where is detective zimp?

zimp?
JDON MY SOUL!
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