Player “Jedi” cheat on CSL

On July 03 2025 15:26 s_k_911 wrote:
”Jedi“：JeDi

Some unknown Korea Guy played the CSL match as Jedi’ID when Jedi vs AP.
“Jedi” is suspended from the SC competitions in China for two years by organizer.

On July 03 2025 16:24 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:

I can help uncover who it is that played for Jedi if I can get access to the replays.

On July 04 2025 11:45 bochs wrote:Now the Chinese SC community suspects that this cheating streak may have started since as far as a few years ago.

On July 04 2025 22:09 tankgirl wrote:


If I was a participant I would be angry too. Liquipedia say his Approx. Total Winnings:$49,384.

Was he a talented and well-respected player before cheating started? If he was good then its just kindof sad. Because why risk your entire career for winning a tournament? Maybe he had personal or financial troubles?

Let us hope that he takes a long time to reflect, and that he comes back a more respectful and self-respecting person.

On July 05 2025 11:03 JXSAZergling wrote:
Jatgril is the person who replaces Jedi. I watch for 5 hours and started imitating Jedi's formation habits for the first 6 minutes. If jatgirl could win, he continued to imitate Jedi's formation habits. In the key matches, he started using Jatgril's own formation habits after 6 minutes of imitation. In the 4-3 elimination match against xiaoxiaoma, the third set, which was 0-2 behind, started using Jatgril's formation habits. The final match after 3-3 was also a match where he imitated Jedi's formation habits for 6 minutes and completely used Jatgril's formation habits, and both of 2games won.

On July 04 2025 22:09 tankgirl wrote:


If I was a participant I would be angry too. Liquipedia say his Approx. Total Winnings:$49,384.

Was he a talented and well-respected player before cheating started? If he was good then its just kindof sad. Because why risk your entire career for winning a tournament? Maybe he had personal or financial troubles?

Let us hope that he takes a long time to reflect, and that he comes back a more respectful and self-respecting person.

On July 05 2025 11:03 JXSAZergling wrote:
Jatgril is the person who replaces Jedi. I watch for 5 hours and started imitating Jedi's formation habits for the first 6 minutes. If jatgirl could win, he continued to imitate Jedi's formation habits. In the key matches, he started using Jatgril's own formation habits after 6 minutes of imitation. In the 4-3 elimination match against xiaoxiaoma, the third set, which was 0-2 behind, started using Jatgril's formation habits. The final match after 3-3 was also a match where he imitated Jedi's formation habits for 6 minutes and completely used Jatgril's formation habits, and both of 2games won.

On July 05 2025 19:40 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:

I checked all the hotkey use for the sets that Jedi had a korean play for him, and compared them to matches jedi himself played. This confirmed Jedi was not playing vs AP, and vs Xiaoma.

I recognized the hotkey use of the smurf and it is not Beast. Beast starts very simple with all hotkeys starting at 1 2 and 3. The smurf starts with a very unique hotkey set-up of 1 and 5, adding 2 and 6 after 2 minutes, and then slowly adding 3 and 7 and adding 4 very late into the game. The only person who uses this hotkey setup is MisO. I looked at 30 possible pro/semi-pro zergs and only Miso uses this hotkey set-up. It is like a fingerprint. Jedi starts with 1 2 3 and 5 and adds 4 early and 6 early. The hotkeys seem to imply it is MisO who played for Jedi. I am not 100% sure it is MisO, but it looks a lot like Miso. Plus MisO never goes hive vs p.

On July 06 2025 00:59 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
I am not convinced it is beast. the hotkeys are way too different and look too much like MisO. Not saying it can not be Beast, but hotkeys are very very hard to mimic when a person has trained their muscle memory with a very specific hotkey use for ten thousand+ gamee

On July 06 2025 02:40 maybe wrote:

Where is detective zimp?

On July 06 2025 03:55 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:

zimp?

On July 04 2025 18:04 sas.Sziky wrote:
2 year is very less if he is 37 years old, or maybe if he pays back money to the players then maybe.

On July 06 2025 16:40 JXSAZergling wrote:
我用英语不能很好的表达发现jatgirl代替Jedi参赛的整个过程，我用中文表达，请大家用翻译软件翻译。
1_AP在比赛过程当中发现Jedi有嫌疑找别人帮他比赛，赛后第一时间和三炮去验证这个情况，Jedi明显没办法证明是自己参赛，自己也承认是找别人帮他打比赛，但是没说明是谁帮他打比赛。
2_我有非常丰富的经验去找出星际比赛中帮别人打比赛的事情，所以我联系了赛事组委会去提供帮助。
3_赛事组委会给我了当天的比赛rep，我自己本身有非常丰富的数据库资料，有上千个各种选手的比赛rep作为数据库比对（包括了Jatgirl本人的真实比赛rep，以及Jedi的本人的真实比赛rep），所以我很有自信能找出是谁代替Jedi参赛。
4_Jatgirl是8-10年前就参加中国的星际比赛活动，介绍其他韩国选手来参与中国星际比赛，得到的奖励都是他转交的，所以他是那段时间中国星际和韩国星际的一个重要联系人。
5_在那个时间段，我就发现了他有打假赛和代替别的选手参赛的行为，从那以后就封杀了他，不允许他参与中国的星际活动了。
6_在知道Jedi有请别人帮忙比赛的情况，我第一时间怀疑是Jatgirl，即使不是他，也大概率是他介绍的其他选手去参赛。
7_最初，我只用很短的时间看了Jedi的比赛rep，第一时间发现这个参赛的选手不可能是Jatgirl，因为编队习惯迥异，一度怀疑了比对了xiaoshuai、dugu，韩国选手也一一进行比对，完全找不到符合要求的，甚至天梯2500分以上的选手都看了一遍。
8_有人怀疑是miso，我第一时间拿到了miso vs mihu的9场比赛rep，第一时间看编队习惯，非常相似，就认真的进游戏查看miso游戏里的打法，开局，战术，建筑习惯，经过2个小时的认真查看，我确认100%不是miso，尽管编队很接近，但是认真看比赛内容，建筑习惯，完全不是一个人，所以我排除了是miso的可能。
9_由于这次我花了很长的时间去研究这些rep，我发现这是一个狡猾的选手，前面5-6分钟模仿Jedi的编队习惯，如果对手的实力不足，就一直用Jedi的编队习惯进行比赛，直到比赛取得胜利。时间比较短的rep非常难看出来是不是本人参赛，在模仿编队习惯的情况下。
10_在和xuanxuan的比赛1-2输了，全程用的接近Jedi习惯的编队进行比赛，但是不影响晋级，所以没暴露他真实的编队习惯，和AP是最终战，必须取得胜利的比赛，在时间10分钟以上的比赛中，很明显的发现比赛后半程完全就是Jatgirl的编队习惯。在这个基础上，我拿到了上届CSL的半决赛rep，Jedi vs xiaoxiaoma的比赛，开始完全使用接近模仿Jedi的编队习惯，比分0-2落后，第3盘就5分钟后就使用了Jatgirl的完整编队习惯比赛并取得胜利，3-3以后的最终战，也是5分钟后就就使用了Jatgirl的完整编队习惯比赛并取得胜利。
更详细的细节我和CSL赛事组委会进行了详细的解释分析。

我初步发现在很早的比赛Jedi就请Jatgirl帮他参加过CSL比赛，具体的情况我会持续寻找证据。

On July 04 2025 11:45 bochs wrote:
There is also suspicion of a middleman, as Jedi can't communicate in Korean or English, unless the Korean shadow player can communicate in Chinese, which is extremely unlikely.

Jedi has so far confessed to cheating in yesterday's matches against AP. He also apologized to Xiaoxiaoma, implying cheating in CSL season 16 ro4, which was 3 months ago. Now the Chinese SC community suspects that this cheating streak may have started since as far as a few years ago.

However, Jedi's apology video didn't reveal the Korean shadow player, the possible middleman, nor for how long he had been cheating. The community at large is in shock, and sick with rage.

On July 06 2025 19:37 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:

It is understandable that you would assume it is Beast/Jatgirl. The hotkeys however don't match.

Programs I used:
Bwchart
SCRchart (only to look at apm to eapm ratio/average of the players involved)


This is beast hotkeys:


This is the Real Jedi hotkeys(got replays from his CWAL):


This is the fake Jedi:


This is MisO:


I checked what was assigned to each hotkey too, to make sure that in addition to the hotkeys being pressed and assigned being the same as the Smurf, that the buildings and units being assigned to the numbers were also the same. They were the same.

Out of all the pros, top amateurs and semi-pros, only MisO has this hotkey/control group use.

On July 06 2025 21:39 JXSAZergling wrote:

我这有200个以上jatgirl的rep，我认识jatgirl有7-8年了，我也有Jedi的50个以上的rep，我认识Jedi快20年了，我非常熟悉他们，我非常清楚jatgirl的热键编队习惯，他习惯123基地45控兵，jedi习惯1234控兵56789基地，miso也是1234控兵56789基地，这就是为什么我花了2个小时以上的时间来认定miso不是那个代替jedi的选手，因为我需要认真去看他们的开局习惯，建筑习惯，还有他们什么时间使用1234各种编队的频率。
兄弟如果你这里有足够多的数据库rep资料，你认真研究你才能发现是jatgirl模仿Jedi的编队习惯，而且在关键场次5-6分钟后会改回jatgirl自己的编队习惯，因为用模仿的编队习惯无法100%发挥他自己的实力，而且jedi的有一个非常特殊的编队习惯，全世界我没发现第二个人使用。
当你有足够多的rep资料，你会发现一些有趣的事情。我有jedi 15年的rep，10年前的rep，5年前的rep，昨天的rep，他有个独特的习惯，从来没改过。
顺便说一句，我和Jedi以前也是一个战队几年的队友，在线下也一起参加比赛聚会，非常熟悉的一个兄弟，对于他找人代替他参赛这个事情，我也很震惊，很遗憾。

On July 07 2025 00:15 bochs wrote:
Maybe @RJB and @JXSA are looking at different reps, and thus reaching different conclusions.

@JXSA do you want to share with @RJB the set of reps where they exhibit the pattern you called out, namely the impersonator imitated Jedi's hotkeys in the first 5-10 minutes, and then switched to Jatgirl's hotkeys in late games?

On July 07 2025 01:01 JXSAZergling wrote:
https://www.cnstl.cn/unit_gamelist.aspx?unit_id=39776&page=4
jedi的中国星际战队联赛 rep
https://cwal.gg/players/gateway/30/player/IlIIlIIIlIIIIlI
jedi 天梯rep
以上rep你可以了解jedi本人的编队习惯是什么的情况。
你可以问到jedi vs xiaoxiaoma的rep，以及 jedi VS AP的rep，我这里还有jedi vs fengzi的rep，你都可以发现有趣的事情，到了关键的比赛中，5-6分钟以后，就改回了jatgirl本人的编队习惯。

On July 07 2025 01:24 bochs wrote:


Please reach out to @RJB via PM, and share these *specific* reps to reconcile.

On July 07 2025 05:12 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:


I have looked at replays of 2024 and 2025 from Jedi, and replays from beast of 2024, Miso from 2024(he quit in 2024). But it is oke. I am not part of the organization. I am an outsider. I respect the decision that is made.

On July 07 2025 10:08 JXSAZergling wrote:

中国一般使用QQ或者微信在线联系，您应该没这2个工具，我没法在线联系您，您可以提供邮箱地址给我，我把具体的rep和细节情况通过邮箱详细告诉您。