Let's talk about Metropolis

Kanzzer

49 Posts

December 09 2025 17:57 GMT

Two ASL cycles in, here are the matchup data on Metropolis:

Eloboard
ZvT: 351-395 (47.05%)
TvP: 291-201 (59.15%)
PvZ: 279-325 (46.19%)

ASL19 & 20
ZvT: 4-3 (both Z & T banned once)
TvP: 1-2 (P banned twice)
PvZ: 9-5 (no bans)

What are your thoughts on this map? Bad for PvT ? Playable ZvT map? How are the wall-ins for ZvP?

Peeano

Netherlands5224 Posts

December 09 2025 19:03 GMT

59.15% is steep and imo means it shouldn't have been used twice.
Maybe a mistake by ASL if it already showed this skew at launch of ASL20?

I think up to 5% skew under 500 games is fine to be used in a tournament, if you can balance it out to 48~52% with the remaining maps, great. The better player can easily overcome 2% skew.

Peeano

Netherlands5224 Posts

December 09 2025 19:57 GMT

Metropolis

This should have been included in your OP, so people can actually answer your question without having to do search work.

FlaShFTW

United States10328 Posts

December 09 2025 20:25 GMT

I think new terran strategy of taking center is becoming more and more prevalent. Not sure if map makers should move away from the center expansions again, or at least if they do, they need to keep the center more open. Pole star also has problems for PvT (57% for Terran). Wonder if we take away the center base, along with keeping the sides of the center more open, it would help with Protoss.

Kraekkling

624 Posts

December 09 2025 21:19 GMT

To me this is functionally a copy of FS or Retro, just with unusually shaped main bases. If there wasn't a problem with center-expansions in TvP on either FS or Retro, it would seem like the problem on Metropolis is also not due that expansion?

I think it's mostly fine that we had this for 2 seasons, but that should be enough for now.

I like that we might keep re-using "FS clone + some spice" in the future as a map template. FS is a good map, might as well re-use it with some slight variations. The same should become true for some other maps as well over time.

ThunderJunk

United States726 Posts

December 09 2025 21:21 GMT

They should just make unbuildable terrain next to the center expansion so you can still expand there but you'll be mining from a suboptimal distance. That's a lever to balance center expos that never sees use

SCRVN

135 Posts

December 10 2025 06:42 GMT

No matter the analysis or the map, Terran's win rate is always higher than Protoss and Zerg. As the number of games increases, this becomes even more accurate.

Kanzzer

49 Posts

December 10 2025 11:27 GMT

On December 10 2025 06:19 Kraekkling wrote:
To me this is functionally a copy of FS or Retro, just with unusually shaped main bases. If there wasn't a problem with center-expansions in TvP on either FS or Retro, it would seem like the problem on Metropolis is also not due that expansion

Good points. Coincidentally, the main layout is literally Beltway's, which is another T map.

But we need P players opinions on this one.

On December 10 2025 15:42 SCRVN wrote:
No matter the analysis or the map, Terran's win rate is always higher than Protoss and Zerg. As the number of games increases, this becomes even more accurate.

You can simply say "I think this is a T map" instead of trying to start a another balance war you know.

SCRVN

135 Posts

December 10 2025 16:41 GMT

I mean the analysis is all analyses (except PvP, ZvZ, TvT, PvZ), the map is all maps (except island maps).

Shinrei

United States241 Posts

December 10 2025 20:25 GMT

#10

Maps with many small choke points and few places to flank + protected expansions are generally good for terran in tvp

Ideas

United States8161 Posts

December 10 2025 21:56 GMT

#11

I'm hoping that Knockout is the only reused map for next season. Feel like the metas on Metropolis, Dominator, Radeon, and Pole Star are pretty stale. Maybe bring back one or two standardish maps from previous seasons and then 3-4 new maps.

Would actually love to see Blockchain or Nemesis return, or some other map that uses that semi-island extractor gates mechanic.

Kanzzer

49 Posts

December 11 2025 10:03 GMT

#12

On December 11 2025 05:25 Shinrei wrote:
Maps with many small choke points and few places to flank + protected expansions are generally good for terran in tvp

Does this map imo have more choke points and fewer flanks than either FS or Retro?

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