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I'm pretty sure you missed the sarcasm (maybe referencing an earlier discussion).
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On April 05 2014 03:13 fishjie wrote:
Girls will tell you if its OK to kiss them by either kissing you back if she wants to kiss you, or turning her cheek if she doesn't.
Never in any circumstances ask her for permission to kiss her, that is a huge turn off. I did that once as a young whipper snapper, and that banished me immediately to the friendzone
Don't ask permission for anything else either. Huge turn off. You know they want it~~
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goddamnit. keeping a relationship going when the both of you are working 50+ hour weeks, with totally opposite schedules is really irritating... On average I get to spend 3-4 hours a week with my girl.
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That does suck. How long have you been dating?
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On April 06 2014 02:53 Calanthe wrote:
That does suck. How long have you been dating?
5-6 months or so? there's never been an 'official start date' but we've been together since november/december. I get one day off a week and she doesn't really even get that cause she's working three jobs. two of them are at schools, so once summer rolls around those won't be eating up all her time, but I'm going to be working more then... blergh.
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On April 06 2014 03:25 LeeDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 02:53 Calanthe wrote:
That does suck. How long have you been dating? 5-6 months or so? there's never been an 'official start date' but we've been together since november/december. I get one day off a week and she doesn't really even get that cause she's working three jobs. two of them are at schools, so once summer rolls around those won't be eating up all her time, but I'm going to be working more then... blergh.
maybe you should talk to each other about where you see this going
thats pretty rough, but who knows it could be worth it in the end
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Well, because of how busy we both are, we aren't super 'serious' but we're both pretty into each other. And she drops by my work every day when she gets out, since it's right down the street, so I get to see her for a few minutes a day at least. but it's definitely frustrating that my friends spend more time with their significant other in a day than I do in a week...
I dunno. I'm not really that concerned about it. I just kind of wanted to vent...
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On April 05 2014 07:11 aTnClouD wrote:
I think it's fun that I give basic advice, backed up by experience to a guy who is having troubles with italian girls (who are raised in a strong catholic environment that condemns sexuality and thus are really, really hard to deal with) and I get insults in return.
Fact is you guys criticizing, pointing fingers, judging and putting a lot of stuff in broad categories don't really have the maturity to understand reality might work differently from what you experienced. Shitting on somebody's else point of view without any logic or evidence backing it up is a big sign of immaturity. That's fine, you can have it for yourself if you don't want to grow up. But at least remember this thread is to help guys who have troubles and many of them suffer because of it. If you have time to waste laying mediocre and wrong judgements on other people you could use it better by contributing to the discussion.
???? Now where have I seen that before....
On June 08 2013 20:32 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 19:55 Holdinga wrote:On June 08 2013 19:38 aTnClouD wrote:On June 08 2013 19:31 Cirqueenflex wrote:On June 08 2013 18:47 Holdinga wrote:
a group of friends told me... "There are women, and there are whores". I thought about that a long time and asked them to explain that to me more specifically what it means. They told me it depends on the man and what his relationship with the woman is. if you have the emotional "upper hand" (meaning that she cares more about you and is more emotionally attached , something like that ) then she will be a woman. If she has the emotional upper hand, then she will be a whore.
this interpretation did not comfort me at all. i'm very emotional and can't imagine a woman that i will have the "upper hand" with, so I asked them if there is a statistical error or something like that... and they said no dont count on that. Some other friends have also told me i'll never find a woman because I'm too emotional (Meaning the absolutely same thing, just with different words)
I just wanted to ask you guys what do you think ? and do you agree ? not all women become whores if they have the "upper hand", as you call it. There are plenty with higher moral standards than that. However, in my experience those who are whores will string you along when they have the high ground advantage to play with you, while the honest and good women may just stray from you in most cases, as most women look for leadership and a spine in a may. You do have to make a distinction between "emotional" and "needy" or "clingy" though. You can be emotional and passionate, and many women will love that. But do not lose yourself in the process, do not try to build your entire self on the other person and her reaction. I think this is what your friends meant, and they are right in this regard. Lose your will because of another woman and she will either abuse you (whore) or move along. Stay true to what YOU want, to what your own goals are, and don't waste yourself and you will be fine, even with being emotional. It is not that important to have the "upper hand" in my opinion, it is more important to have a hand at all and not just be handed. I'm with this guy. Also improve your appearence, the way you dress, your posture and do not masturbate more than once a week. All this will help a lot giving you confidence. I'm not going to lie to you (original quoted guy), if you are too emotional and feminine for the first time you will most likely get a girl who likes to abuse you psychologically and feel her power towards you, and you will not notice until everything is over. This will be a painful experience, but very useful if you manage to improve from that point. appearance, way I dress, posture are the least of my problems. i make a great first impression as i'm physically strong, tall and dress good, which hasnt helped me so much for now. And yes cloud you are right I have been emotionally abused in the last couple of months... she herself had told me she has no moral standards, which is probably one of the reasons i liked her so much... in the end she doesn't deserve me, as she went for one of my best friends that has sexual relations with like 6-7 women (i think maybe even a lot more) at a time and treats her like garbage (But I guess that's what she wanted after all, so fuck her) I live with hope that I don't need to lie, or manipulate a woman to get her. I've done that once or twice when I was drunk, and I felt really bad that I played with a woman's feelings, without wanting anything from her and I don't want to do that ever again. I live with hope that I can be 100% honest and I can be in a relationship with no lies at all. Women like that are hard to find these days though, as they mostly prefer problems and hardships and they have no brain and don't know what they want  I think I'll die single with my hope If that's your hope you will most likely die single, yes. You overrate women too much. They are too emotional and this tends to override any good logic or moral decision they can take. You have to learn how to control them emotionally or you will always be viewed as a tool by them.
On March 10 2014 10:55 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 09:50 Chocolate wrote:
What do you do when a girl is doing the thing where she keeps going on about how she isn't good enough for you? I don't want to keep doing this whole "fake insecurity for complimentz" thing but I gotta stop this shit diplomatically
NVM please disregard I just told her to stop being a goofball
OK I may as well make this post count so here goes: this girl wants to do an LDR. Fortunately, though, she lives pretty close to where I am probably going to college (not because of her). I am thinking of going for it because she is pretty nice, pretty hot, pretty rich, and relatively smart. But I feel like I would be distrustful (mostly because I think she is more attractive than me) and that I'd be limiting myself. She wants me to visit her on long weekends though.
so: yes or no? I'm not getting catfished, she is real Most hot girls cheat on their boyfriends when they go out at night because they have too many fun options. You either accept it and take what you can get from her and the awesome experience or just be insecure the whole time. It's up to you. Also, there's a huge chance she thinks you are on her level or better since she wants you, why would you stress yourself thinking she's more attractive than you? It's a mindset that doesn't serve any practical purpose other than harming yourself. This said, it's always better to try things that might fail rather than not doing them and regret later. When you do stuff you always learn something new about the world, other people and yourself. If you choose not to take risks you just learn how to be a pussy.
On June 07 2013 10:19 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 10:00 Ghostcom wrote:On June 07 2013 09:38 aTnClouD wrote:On June 07 2013 09:02 Ghostcom wrote:
I would argue that one has misunderstood the fundamentals of dating (or social interaction) if one considers it a boxing match. Considering how happy PUAs are with their pseudoscience insistence on looking at primal instincts for explanations I find it hilarious that they neglect the tidbit about why any species is social to begin with (hint: It is NOT to fight within the society). The whole point PUAs make is that we live in a society where we don't need our primal instincts but still retain them because biological evolution didn't go on par with technology and the explosion of human population. While women are very counterintuitive and irrational today they weren't a few thousands years back. They say that you have to play by these old rules to understand them, because if you play by logic you are going to lose. I personally found in the PUA community many answers I have been looking for my whole life and it greatly improved my interaction with women and sex life. I do not find women to be irrational nor counterintuitive in a modern context. Shiori nailed it pretty hard. My experience is that if you treat them as human beings rather than try to manipulate them they will reject you. I dream nothing but a relationship with a girl I consider my equal but by now after so much fail I realized it's just not possible. I am glad you had a flock of rare extraterrestrial experiences but in the real world pick up and relationships work this way.
Lee, unless it is in extreme circumstances, two people can find ways to make it work. Unless it is something like you work 9-5 and she does nights every night of the week, you should be able to find a way to squeeze time in. Even if it is just coming over at the end of her/your shift a few nights a week.
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On April 06 2014 10:11 QuanticHawk wrote:
Lee, unless it is in extreme circumstances, two people can find ways to make it work. Unless it is something like you work 9-5 and she does nights every night of the week, you should be able to find a way to squeeze time in. Even if it is just coming over at the end of her/your shift a few nights a week.
Unfortunately that's kind of what it is. she gets out of work at 6, I go to work at 5. weekends we spend the nights together since she doesn't have to work in the mornings, and that's something. although, I'm the night manager at my job, I talked to the day manager and he wants to work a few nights a week, so I may be able to actually have free time for her at some point...
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2014 10:11 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 07:11 aTnClouD wrote:
I think it's fun that I give basic advice, backed up by experience to a guy who is having troubles with italian girls (who are raised in a strong catholic environment that condemns sexuality and thus are really, really hard to deal with) and I get insults in return.
Fact is you guys criticizing, pointing fingers, judging and putting a lot of stuff in broad categories don't really have the maturity to understand reality might work differently from what you experienced. Shitting on somebody's else point of view without any logic or evidence backing it up is a big sign of immaturity. That's fine, you can have it for yourself if you don't want to grow up. But at least remember this thread is to help guys who have troubles and many of them suffer because of it. If you have time to waste laying mediocre and wrong judgements on other people you could use it better by contributing to the discussion. ???? Now where have I seen that before.... Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 20:32 aTnClouD wrote:On June 08 2013 19:55 Holdinga wrote:On June 08 2013 19:38 aTnClouD wrote:On June 08 2013 19:31 Cirqueenflex wrote:On June 08 2013 18:47 Holdinga wrote:
a group of friends told me... "There are women, and there are whores". I thought about that a long time and asked them to explain that to me more specifically what it means. They told me it depends on the man and what his relationship with the woman is. if you have the emotional "upper hand" (meaning that she cares more about you and is more emotionally attached , something like that ) then she will be a woman. If she has the emotional upper hand, then she will be a whore.
this interpretation did not comfort me at all. i'm very emotional and can't imagine a woman that i will have the "upper hand" with, so I asked them if there is a statistical error or something like that... and they said no dont count on that. Some other friends have also told me i'll never find a woman because I'm too emotional (Meaning the absolutely same thing, just with different words)
I just wanted to ask you guys what do you think ? and do you agree ? not all women become whores if they have the "upper hand", as you call it. There are plenty with higher moral standards than that. However, in my experience those who are whores will string you along when they have the high ground advantage to play with you, while the honest and good women may just stray from you in most cases, as most women look for leadership and a spine in a may. You do have to make a distinction between "emotional" and "needy" or "clingy" though. You can be emotional and passionate, and many women will love that. But do not lose yourself in the process, do not try to build your entire self on the other person and her reaction. I think this is what your friends meant, and they are right in this regard. Lose your will because of another woman and she will either abuse you (whore) or move along. Stay true to what YOU want, to what your own goals are, and don't waste yourself and you will be fine, even with being emotional. It is not that important to have the "upper hand" in my opinion, it is more important to have a hand at all and not just be handed. I'm with this guy. Also improve your appearence, the way you dress, your posture and do not masturbate more than once a week. All this will help a lot giving you confidence. I'm not going to lie to you (original quoted guy), if you are too emotional and feminine for the first time you will most likely get a girl who likes to abuse you psychologically and feel her power towards you, and you will not notice until everything is over. This will be a painful experience, but very useful if you manage to improve from that point. appearance, way I dress, posture are the least of my problems. i make a great first impression as i'm physically strong, tall and dress good, which hasnt helped me so much for now. And yes cloud you are right I have been emotionally abused in the last couple of months... she herself had told me she has no moral standards, which is probably one of the reasons i liked her so much... in the end she doesn't deserve me, as she went for one of my best friends that has sexual relations with like 6-7 women (i think maybe even a lot more) at a time and treats her like garbage (But I guess that's what she wanted after all, so fuck her) I live with hope that I don't need to lie, or manipulate a woman to get her. I've done that once or twice when I was drunk, and I felt really bad that I played with a woman's feelings, without wanting anything from her and I don't want to do that ever again. I live with hope that I can be 100% honest and I can be in a relationship with no lies at all. Women like that are hard to find these days though, as they mostly prefer problems and hardships and they have no brain and don't know what they want I think I'll die single with my hope If that's your hope you will most likely die single, yes. You overrate women too much. They are too emotional and this tends to override any good logic or moral decision they can take. You have to learn how to control them emotionally or you will always be viewed as a tool by them. Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 10:55 aTnClouD wrote:On March 10 2014 09:50 Chocolate wrote:
What do you do when a girl is doing the thing where she keeps going on about how she isn't good enough for you? I don't want to keep doing this whole "fake insecurity for complimentz" thing but I gotta stop this shit diplomatically
NVM please disregard I just told her to stop being a goofball
OK I may as well make this post count so here goes: this girl wants to do an LDR. Fortunately, though, she lives pretty close to where I am probably going to college (not because of her). I am thinking of going for it because she is pretty nice, pretty hot, pretty rich, and relatively smart. But I feel like I would be distrustful (mostly because I think she is more attractive than me) and that I'd be limiting myself. She wants me to visit her on long weekends though.
so: yes or no? I'm not getting catfished, she is real Most hot girls cheat on their boyfriends when they go out at night because they have too many fun options. You either accept it and take what you can get from her and the awesome experience or just be insecure the whole time. It's up to you. Also, there's a huge chance she thinks you are on her level or better since she wants you, why would you stress yourself thinking she's more attractive than you? It's a mindset that doesn't serve any practical purpose other than harming yourself. This said, it's always better to try things that might fail rather than not doing them and regret later. When you do stuff you always learn something new about the world, other people and yourself. If you choose not to take risks you just learn how to be a pussy. Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 10:19 aTnClouD wrote:On June 07 2013 10:00 Ghostcom wrote:On June 07 2013 09:38 aTnClouD wrote:On June 07 2013 09:02 Ghostcom wrote:
I would argue that one has misunderstood the fundamentals of dating (or social interaction) if one considers it a boxing match. Considering how happy PUAs are with their pseudoscience insistence on looking at primal instincts for explanations I find it hilarious that they neglect the tidbit about why any species is social to begin with (hint: It is NOT to fight within the society). The whole point PUAs make is that we live in a society where we don't need our primal instincts but still retain them because biological evolution didn't go on par with technology and the explosion of human population. While women are very counterintuitive and irrational today they weren't a few thousands years back. They say that you have to play by these old rules to understand them, because if you play by logic you are going to lose. I personally found in the PUA community many answers I have been looking for my whole life and it greatly improved my interaction with women and sex life. I do not find women to be irrational nor counterintuitive in a modern context. Shiori nailed it pretty hard. My experience is that if you treat them as human beings rather than try to manipulate them they will reject you. I dream nothing but a relationship with a girl I consider my equal but by now after so much fail I realized it's just not possible. I am glad you had a flock of rare extraterrestrial experiences but in the real world pick up and relationships work this way. Lee, unless it is in extreme circumstances, two people can find ways to make it work. Unless it is something like you work 9-5 and she does nights every night of the week, you should be able to find a way to squeeze time in. Even if it is just coming over at the end of her/your shift a few nights a week.
okay i think we might have had enough cloud bashing for a while now
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On April 06 2014 02:31 LeeDawg wrote:
goddamnit. keeping a relationship going when the both of you are working 50+ hour weeks, with totally opposite schedules is really irritating... On average I get to spend 3-4 hours a week with my girl.
I see my girlfriend once a month; we live in different states.
I know how you feel when availability doesn't line up. Hopefully it's not going to be like that forever!
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How important is seriousness during (first) sex? I keep imagining scenarios where I could crack some jokes, which would ease the pressure, but not sure if it would kill the mood altogether or not. The number 1 advice for dating is "be confident", but the 2nd is "fuck her well", then the 3rd is "no pressure". I'm missing the link.
I have the virgin card so I could get away with a lot of things, but don't know how much should I opt for. I mean, everyone, whether he cares about the girl or not, wants to please his partner. It should be the best 20 seconds of her life, right?
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On April 07 2014 05:31 Volband wrote:
How important is seriousness during (first) sex? I keep imagining scenarios where I could crack some jokes, which would ease the pressure, but not sure if it would kill the mood altogether or not. The number 1 advice for dating is "be confident", but the 2nd is "fuck her well", then the 3rd is "no pressure". I'm missing the link.
I have the virgin card so I could get away with a lot of things, but don't know how much should I opt for. I mean, everyone, whether he cares about the girl or not, wants to please his partner. It should be the best 20 seconds of her life, right?
you overthink things so hard, just accept mistakes and be willing to look stupid/fail.
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yeah stop overthinking things. if you are a virgin, it kind of makes sense that you overthink everything. once you have sex for the first time, it stops becoming such a big deal (well less of a big deal). that will let you relax. this is a chicken/egg problem. just accept the fact that your first time really is going to be awkward. unless the girl is experienced. in that case, let her drive, and enjoy the ride (literally and figuratively).
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On April 07 2014 05:31 Volband wrote:
How important is seriousness during (first) sex? I keep imagining scenarios where I could crack some jokes, which would ease the pressure, but not sure if it would kill the mood altogether or not. The number 1 advice for dating is "be confident", but the 2nd is "fuck her well", then the 3rd is "no pressure". I'm missing the link.
I have the virgin card so I could get away with a lot of things, but don't know how much should I opt for. I mean, everyone, whether he cares about the girl or not, wants to please his partner. It should be the best 20 seconds of her life, right?
i dont know i've always made little jokes during sex, most of the girls joke around or play along then when you get into it it kinda stops, but between switching positions and stuff little jokes and funny remarks are usually a thing they seem to enjoy atleast
if youre a virgin and your with your gf or something id just make sure you break it to her before you try to do it and dont know what youre doing, even though sex is pretty easy to figure out tbh.
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On April 07 2014 05:08 Kleinmuuhg wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2014 10:11 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 07:11 aTnClouD wrote:
I think it's fun that I give basic advice, backed up by experience to a guy who is having troubles with italian girls (who are raised in a strong catholic environment that condemns sexuality and thus are really, really hard to deal with) and I get insults in return.
Fact is you guys criticizing, pointing fingers, judging and putting a lot of stuff in broad categories don't really have the maturity to understand reality might work differently from what you experienced. Shitting on somebody's else point of view without any logic or evidence backing it up is a big sign of immaturity. That's fine, you can have it for yourself if you don't want to grow up. But at least remember this thread is to help guys who have troubles and many of them suffer because of it. If you have time to waste laying mediocre and wrong judgements on other people you could use it better by contributing to the discussion. ???? Now where have I seen that before.... Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 20:32 aTnClouD wrote:On June 08 2013 19:55 Holdinga wrote:On June 08 2013 19:38 aTnClouD wrote:On June 08 2013 19:31 Cirqueenflex wrote:On June 08 2013 18:47 Holdinga wrote:
a group of friends told me... "There are women, and there are whores". I thought about that a long time and asked them to explain that to me more specifically what it means. They told me it depends on the man and what his relationship with the woman is. if you have the emotional "upper hand" (meaning that she cares more about you and is more emotionally attached , something like that ) then she will be a woman. If she has the emotional upper hand, then she will be a whore.
this interpretation did not comfort me at all. i'm very emotional and can't imagine a woman that i will have the "upper hand" with, so I asked them if there is a statistical error or something like that... and they said no dont count on that. Some other friends have also told me i'll never find a woman because I'm too emotional (Meaning the absolutely same thing, just with different words)
I just wanted to ask you guys what do you think ? and do you agree ? not all women become whores if they have the "upper hand", as you call it. There are plenty with higher moral standards than that. However, in my experience those who are whores will string you along when they have the high ground advantage to play with you, while the honest and good women may just stray from you in most cases, as most women look for leadership and a spine in a may. You do have to make a distinction between "emotional" and "needy" or "clingy" though. You can be emotional and passionate, and many women will love that. But do not lose yourself in the process, do not try to build your entire self on the other person and her reaction. I think this is what your friends meant, and they are right in this regard. Lose your will because of another woman and she will either abuse you (whore) or move along. Stay true to what YOU want, to what your own goals are, and don't waste yourself and you will be fine, even with being emotional. It is not that important to have the "upper hand" in my opinion, it is more important to have a hand at all and not just be handed. I'm with this guy. Also improve your appearence, the way you dress, your posture and do not masturbate more than once a week. All this will help a lot giving you confidence. I'm not going to lie to you (original quoted guy), if you are too emotional and feminine for the first time you will most likely get a girl who likes to abuse you psychologically and feel her power towards you, and you will not notice until everything is over. This will be a painful experience, but very useful if you manage to improve from that point. appearance, way I dress, posture are the least of my problems. i make a great first impression as i'm physically strong, tall and dress good, which hasnt helped me so much for now. And yes cloud you are right I have been emotionally abused in the last couple of months... she herself had told me she has no moral standards, which is probably one of the reasons i liked her so much... in the end she doesn't deserve me, as she went for one of my best friends that has sexual relations with like 6-7 women (i think maybe even a lot more) at a time and treats her like garbage (But I guess that's what she wanted after all, so fuck her) I live with hope that I don't need to lie, or manipulate a woman to get her. I've done that once or twice when I was drunk, and I felt really bad that I played with a woman's feelings, without wanting anything from her and I don't want to do that ever again. I live with hope that I can be 100% honest and I can be in a relationship with no lies at all. Women like that are hard to find these days though, as they mostly prefer problems and hardships and they have no brain and don't know what they want I think I'll die single with my hope If that's your hope you will most likely die single, yes. You overrate women too much. They are too emotional and this tends to override any good logic or moral decision they can take. You have to learn how to control them emotionally or you will always be viewed as a tool by them. Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 10:55 aTnClouD wrote:On March 10 2014 09:50 Chocolate wrote:
What do you do when a girl is doing the thing where she keeps going on about how she isn't good enough for you? I don't want to keep doing this whole "fake insecurity for complimentz" thing but I gotta stop this shit diplomatically
NVM please disregard I just told her to stop being a goofball
OK I may as well make this post count so here goes: this girl wants to do an LDR. Fortunately, though, she lives pretty close to where I am probably going to college (not because of her). I am thinking of going for it because she is pretty nice, pretty hot, pretty rich, and relatively smart. But I feel like I would be distrustful (mostly because I think she is more attractive than me) and that I'd be limiting myself. She wants me to visit her on long weekends though.
so: yes or no? I'm not getting catfished, she is real Most hot girls cheat on their boyfriends when they go out at night because they have too many fun options. You either accept it and take what you can get from her and the awesome experience or just be insecure the whole time. It's up to you. Also, there's a huge chance she thinks you are on her level or better since she wants you, why would you stress yourself thinking she's more attractive than you? It's a mindset that doesn't serve any practical purpose other than harming yourself. This said, it's always better to try things that might fail rather than not doing them and regret later. When you do stuff you always learn something new about the world, other people and yourself. If you choose not to take risks you just learn how to be a pussy. Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 10:19 aTnClouD wrote:On June 07 2013 10:00 Ghostcom wrote:On June 07 2013 09:38 aTnClouD wrote:On June 07 2013 09:02 Ghostcom wrote:
I would argue that one has misunderstood the fundamentals of dating (or social interaction) if one considers it a boxing match. Considering how happy PUAs are with their pseudoscience insistence on looking at primal instincts for explanations I find it hilarious that they neglect the tidbit about why any species is social to begin with (hint: It is NOT to fight within the society). The whole point PUAs make is that we live in a society where we don't need our primal instincts but still retain them because biological evolution didn't go on par with technology and the explosion of human population. While women are very counterintuitive and irrational today they weren't a few thousands years back. They say that you have to play by these old rules to understand them, because if you play by logic you are going to lose. I personally found in the PUA community many answers I have been looking for my whole life and it greatly improved my interaction with women and sex life. I do not find women to be irrational nor counterintuitive in a modern context. Shiori nailed it pretty hard. My experience is that if you treat them as human beings rather than try to manipulate them they will reject you. I dream nothing but a relationship with a girl I consider my equal but by now after so much fail I realized it's just not possible. I am glad you had a flock of rare extraterrestrial experiences but in the real world pick up and relationships work this way. Lee, unless it is in extreme circumstances, two people can find ways to make it work. Unless it is something like you work 9-5 and she does nights every night of the week, you should be able to find a way to squeeze time in. Even if it is just coming over at the end of her/your shift a few nights a week. okay i think we might have had enough cloud bashing for a while now
It's alright, he obviously has nothing better to do with his time. Let the kids have fun 
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Jokes before and after intercourse are fine, but during intercourse is a deal breaker for me.
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On April 07 2014 13:49 rezoacken wrote:
Jokes before and after intercourse are fine, but during intercourse is a deal breaker for me.
Agreed. Unless you're both completely smashed and happen to start making out while alrdy laughing then idk.
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She agreed to meet me on thursday (that was saturday) , I promised that I´ll message her about further details in the following days. She texted me two hours later... the message had no real content. It was sth like : "Don´t ask why... But I wanted to text you  ". Since I was working and went out with some of my friends I did not respond immediately. When I got home @ ~ 1.00 am I sent her a short message " ".
Anyway;
Thing is, I do not like writing sms - let alone conversation via sms/smartphone - but on the other hand I also do not want to seem disinterested.
Would you contact her and ask her for example how her day was? Or just write a short message about the date - on thursday - and then wait... until thursday?
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