EPTChina Enacts Law to Stop Taiwan Secession - Page 2
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HnR)hT
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MoltkeWarding
5195 Posts
On March 13 2005 20:15 HnR)hT wrote: I've said it before. China will be the dominant world superpower of the 21st century, and possibly well beyond. The growth and spread of Chinese hegemony has not even begun. If it hasn't begun, why are you predicting it? Geopolitically speaking Russia looked more imposing a hundred years ago than China today, and Russia never became a hegemonious power. China lacks the intellectual, cultural and moral prestiege which have been paramount to Germany, France, England or the United States' claims to fame. Don't confuse the trends of the present for long term consequences, as the myopic are wont to do. Presently China is following the world, she leads the way in nothing. China is a breeding ground of imitators along western models of success, at which they excell. Whether anything which is generated from China herself will ever reach such an internationally prestigious status has yet to be proven. Furthermore the concept of superpowerdom is a consequence of 1945, a mentality the internal-minded Chinese are not for the present interested in. | ||
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dronebabo
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ihatett
United States2289 Posts
On March 13 2005 19:24 Luhh wrote: Some of you yongsters are confused. Communism is an ideology. However there haven't been a single "communist" state that has been a true communist state. They are in practical terms ruled by a dictator or despots. I think it's just plain wrong to acknowledge those states as communist states Let's just say that some communists are more equal than others... True. And I could say there has been no capitalists state. I don't ever see the point in saying either.  | ||
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AK-Nemesis
2005 Posts
if only they can sign a treaty of non-aggression, non-declaration of independence over next few years and focus more on economic developments, everyone would be better off, but clearly neither side wish to compromise. | ||
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dsh
United States879 Posts
On March 13 2005 19:01 KH1031 wrote: Communists=barbarians they don't talk, just do what they want -_- You have no idea wtf you are talking about so  | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On March 13 2005 20:22 MoltkeWarding wrote: If it hasn't begun, why are you predicting it? Because China has the raw production manpower, a substantial and rising global economic influence, one of the most efficient systems of education in the world, and an ethnic and cultural oneness which reinforces a sense of duty and kinship for all Chinese at home and abroad. That the USA is in crushing national debt, a large part of which is to China, doesn't help matters much. Geopolitically speaking Russia looked more imposing a hundred years ago than China today, and Russia never became a hegemonious power. First, how do you arrive at the conclusion that Russia was more imposing 100 years ago than China is now? Second, not considering the USSR a "hegemonious power" is absurd. China lacks the intellectual, cultural and moral prestiege which have been paramount to Germany, France, England or the United States' claims to fame. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this. Don't confuse the trends of the present for long term consequences, as the myopic are wont to do. Presently China is following the world, she leads the way in nothing. China is a breeding ground of imitators along western models of success, at which they excell. That's ridiculous. Whether anything which is generated from China herself will ever reach such an internationally prestigious status has yet to be proven. Furthermore the concept of superpowerdom is a consequence of 1945, a mentality the internal-minded Chinese are not for the present interested in. Indeed, China has been biding its time for several millenia, and waiting a few hundred years is nothing on this scale. Nevertheless I believe the current geopolitical and technological state of the world looks increasingly opportune for China's ascendancy. edit: fucked up with the quote brackets | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
I'll end my day with this, if Taiwan declares independence, China will attack. If Taiwan keeps things the way they are, everyone will be happy. | ||
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ky[Z]
China1730 Posts
On March 13 2005 21:43 Cambium wrote: I'm going to bed, and I actually read everything ppl said. I'll end my day with this, if Taiwan declares independence, China will attack. If Taiwan keeps things the way they are, everyone will be happy. If things keep the way they are now( no independence, no war), China will take over Taiwan sooner or later. That is what the taiwanese people are afraid i believe. Say around 20-30 years from now, the time when China's economic power and internationl influence that rivals the U.S.A, do u think the world will care if China attack Taiwan? Sure, there will be some Anti-war protests going on, but that is it. Heck, do u think the world will care if the U.S.A invade some small third world nations right now? | ||
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
On March 13 2005 22:10 ky[Z] wrote: If things keep the way they are now( no independence, no war), China will take over Taiwan sooner or later. That is what the taiwanese people are afraid i believe. Say around 20-30 years from now, the time when China's economic power and internationl influence that rivals the U.S.A, do u think the world will care if China attack Taiwan? Sure, there will be some Anti-war protests going on, but that is it. Heck, do u think the world will care if the U.S.A invade some small third world nations right now? I agree. Sort of like Hitler in WW2 when he takes over some countries or some specific groups of peoples and no one cares. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On March 13 2005 22:10 ky[Z] wrote: If things keep the way they are now( no independence, no war), China will take over Taiwan sooner or later. That is what the taiwanese people are afraid i believe. Say around 20-30 years from now, the time when China's economic power and internationl influence that rivals the U.S.A, do u think the world will care if China attack Taiwan? Sure, there will be some Anti-war protests going on, but that is it. Heck, do u think the world will care if the U.S.A invade some small third world nations right now? Ok, not in bed yet, but... I agree, China will invade (more like engulf, if it's 30 years from now) eventually, but there isn't much Taiwan can do. Declaring indepence right now is probably the best time because China is busy with its Olympics (and that's why they passed the Taiwan bill, to prevent Taiwan from separating too early, at least that's what I think), and rely on the U.S. for support. The problem is, the States don't really want to fuck with China either because of both nations' import and export, if the States had to choose, they'd probably lean towards China (what's Taiwan good for relative to China). So say Taiwan declares independence, China lets everything sit for a while, then after 2008, they'll attack. Once the war is initiated, they will not pull back until they gain control of Taiwan. | ||
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ky[Z]
China1730 Posts
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Sharkey
668 Posts
[QUOTE]On March 13 2005 20:15 HnR)hT wrote: I've said it before. China will be the dominant world superpower of the 21st century, and possibly well beyond. The growth and spread of Chinese hegemony has not even begun.[/QUOTE] Geopolitically speaking Russia looked more imposing a hundred years ago than China today, and Russia never became a hegemonious power. 100 years ago Russia lost to Japan. Bloody Sunday, etc. Russia, seemed, to be losing its influence in European affiars and 'sinking' back into more Asian affiars. Sure nations feared Russia out of its potential. Great land mass and millions in population. But I think most European diplomats saw how russia was becoming less and less of a player as time went on. They got humilated in the Crimean War (1856) and they were the first European Power to lose a war to a non-European Power in a long, long time. The Great Reforms of Alexander II era all failed except emancipation, which was a failure anyways. Russia basically could not keep up economically or industrially with the West. | ||
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insaneknights
482 Posts
Due to large export and imports from china the yuan has been in high demand. The yuan should appreciate but its not. China pegs the yuan to the dollar at a fixed rate. To keep it the same rate China buys other countires money. Recent rumors says that U.S economists are extremly scared that China will release their bought U.S money back into the U.S, which will cause major inflation. News Article A quick google search can tell the full effect of Chians currency problems. ARgg i hate China. Im from Taiwan | ||
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Hydrolisko
Vanuatu1659 Posts
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tiffany
3664 Posts
On March 13 2005 23:10 Hydrolisko wrote: jesus please.. china is too nice.. they shoulda attacked taiwan a long time ago.. now please do what you gotta do and get this issue over with. Whats USA gonna do? goto war with China over Taiwan? give me a break. stop talking out of your ass | ||
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Hydrolisko
Vanuatu1659 Posts
huh? can u give me a more intelligent response than that so I can at least reply to what you have to say?... >.< | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geopolitically speaking Russia looked more imposing a hundred years ago than China today, and Russia never became a hegemonious power. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------" Roughly translated. The chinese have a lock on the farming of MMORPG cash and will explode into an economical powerhouse when they sell you and your kids WoW gold! | ||
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yeehaw
San Marino888 Posts
On March 13 2005 19:05 MoltkeWarding wrote: Nationalists = inefficient evil empire of power hungry warlords who double dealt with the Japanese to wipe the heroic communist resistance out. We can start spewing idiotic propaganda back and forth all day. Really, it would be a pleasant surprise some day to see someone from over there who bothers to think for themselves regarding politics. And you are an idiot. The Nationalists are not ruling Taiwan now. | ||
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