China Enacts Law to Stop Taiwan Secession - Page 5

On March 14 2005 21:41 MoltkeWarding wrote:


Yes, and I would not want it otherwise.

On March 14 2005 21:08 MoltkeWarding wrote:


Oh, and the point was this:

The United States of America was a federation of states based on its very name. The issue of secession was a legal quagmire because there was been no provision for it in the constitution. Did the South have a right to seceed from the Union? In questions such as these force of arms prevail what legal disputes cannot solve. Lincoln said it himself: if he could save the Union by freeing the slaves, he would do it, and he would let the south keep their slaves if that would save the union. The problem was neither legal nor even moral, it concerned the will of states vs the will of the union in claims of sovereignty.

Why is it that China, an ancient Kingdom with a far more extensive sense of her territorial integrity than the United States in 1861 have less of a right to Taiwan than Washington had to the Southern states?

On March 14 2005 18:21 MolteWardingwrote:
It's kind of pathetic the kind of defensive nationalism people can start establishing, even among a people who have no real sense of their own history. Name me a single present day strategist who relies on Sun Tsu for their military thinking. Most Chinese proverbs i've heard here in Canada are made up. America today uses Roman characters, big deal. Because China was in certain ways technologically ahead of Europe thousands of years ago has absolutely no relevance today. China has no cultural prestige and besides the obvious attraction of exoticism, not a single form of its art, music, architecture (with the exception of the subliminal romantics) have found currency internationally nor does its language possess equal international status compared to English, French, German, Spanish or even Russian. Culture tourism is a sad business, and the entire multicultural mentality often distorts people from the products of their own history to one which they neither understand nor could appreciate.

On March 14 2005 21:02 MoltkeWarding wrote:


It's kind of pathetic the kind of defensive nationalism people can start establishing, even among a people who have no real sense of their own history. Name me a single present day strategist who relies on Sun Tsu for their military thinking. Most Chinese proverbs i've heard here in Canada are made up. America today uses Roman characters, big deal. Because China was in certain ways technologically ahead of Europe thousands of years ago has absolutely no relevance today. China has no cultural prestige and besides the obvious attraction of exoticism, not a single form of its art, music, architecture (with the exception of the subliminal romantics) have found currency internationally nor does its language possess equal international status compared to English, French, German, Spanish or even Russian. Culture tourism is a sad business, and the entire multicultural mentality often distorts people from the products of their own history to one which they neither understand nor could appreciate.

On March 14 2005 21:02 MoltkeWarding wrote:
It's kind of pathetic the kind of defensive nationalism people can start establishing, even among a people who have no real sense of their own history. Name me a single present day strategist who relies on Sun Tsu for their military thinking. Most Chinese proverbs i've heard here in Canada are made up. America today uses Roman characters, big deal. Because China was in certain ways technologically ahead of Europe thousands of years ago has absolutely no relevance today. China has no cultural prestige and besides the obvious attraction of exoticism, not a single form of its art, music, architecture (with the exception of the subliminal romantics) have found currency internationally nor does its language possess equal international status compared to English, French, German, Spanish or even Russian. Culture tourism is a sad business, and the entire multicultural mentality often distorts people from the products of their own history to one which they neither understand nor could appreciate.

On March 14 2005 21:02 MoltkeWarding wrote:


It's kind of pathetic the kind of defensive nationalism people can start establishing, even among a people who have no real sense of their own history. Name me a single present day strategist who relies on Sun Tsu for their military thinking. Most Chinese proverbs i've heard here in Canada are made up. America today uses Roman characters, big deal. Because China was in certain ways technologically ahead of Europe thousands of years ago has absolutely no relevance today. China has no cultural prestige and besides the obvious attraction of exoticism, not a single form of its art, music, architecture (with the exception of the subliminal romantics) have found currency internationally nor does its language possess equal international status compared to English, French, German, Spanish or even Russian. Culture tourism is a sad business, and the entire multicultural mentality often distorts people from the products of their own history to one which they neither understand nor could appreciate.

On March 14 2005 21:02 MoltkeWarding wrote:


It's kind of pathetic the kind of defensive nationalism people can start establishing, even among a people who have no real sense of their own history. Name me a single present day strategist who relies on Sun Tsu for their military thinking. Most Chinese proverbs i've heard here in Canada are made up. America today uses Roman characters, big deal. Because China was in certain ways technologically ahead of Europe thousands of years ago has absolutely no relevance today. China has no cultural prestige and besides the obvious attraction of exoticism, not a single form of its art, music, architecture (with the exception of the subliminal romantics) have found currency internationally nor does its language possess equal international status compared to English, French, German, Spanish or even Russian. Culture tourism is a sad business, and the entire multicultural mentality often distorts people from the products of their own history to one which they neither understand nor could appreciate.

On March 14 2005 18:32 haduken wrote:


Seriously man why do you waste your time to tell us that?

On March 15 2005 00:36 longer_23 wrote:
Now most of the discussions here in this thread are beside the point. China's only trying to retain a piece of land that's close to its economic arteries, I dont see how that translates into an evil ambition to take over the world.

On March 15 2005 01:15 Servolisk wrote:
Atleast they don't have "pretty darn good intelligence" claiming taiwain has wmds :o

On March 15 2005 01:27 DV8 wrote:


There is a wide belief amongst male teens who scour any and all forums that postcount is proportionate to their e-penis.

On March 14 2005 06:41 MoltkeWarding wrote:


...and when did I claim they were? Really, if you can't understand something it's better not to reply.

On March 14 2005 06:41 MoltkeWarding wrote:


...and when did I claim they were? Really, if you can't understand something it's better not to reply.

On March 14 2005 06:51 MoltkeWarding wrote:


And again, the illiteracy you demonstrate is appalling. I have never been arguing that Russia, retrospectively was in a dominant position 100 years ago. Unfortunately you are talking about the consequences to events which have not yet occurred in 1905. I am talking about peoples' inabilities to see the future based on present trends, the cultivation of which often conjurs collective illusions about a certain country. Did any foreign observer in 1900 believe that the Russian empire was going to collapse in 20 years? Please do not try to bash what is only one side of a bigger argument, when you just help in proving my point.

On March 14 2005 22:59 Manifesto7 wrote:


Time to open a newspaper buddy, and get your head out of the sand. China is a nuclear power. China has a permanent seat at he UN. China has the largest army. China has put a man in space. Type this into google: "most spoken language" and you will see that the number of people speaking Chinese is almost 2x those speaking english. China has the fastest growing economy on the globe, and gaining official recognition from the government as a tourism spot is something every country craves (including Canada who recently got it). Learning Chinese is one of the highest priorities for those business right now, as that is where the market is. Multi-cultural identity? You speak as if it is a disease, when it is an issue in most countries, including ours.

Simply said, just because the only Chinese guy you see is working the counter at your corner store does not remove the relevance of their position as the largest entity on earth.

On March 14 2005 22:28 tiffany wrote:


wouldn't you say that the nationalists that were forced to emigrate to taiwan in the first place have the same claim to that ancient kingdom of dynasties, idioms, and culture? also you have to consider the native taiwanese people that feel no need to be a part of a nation they were never originally separated from in the first place.