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On March 15 2005 23:40 FeelTheMoment wrote:
By the way You may try to use other word than "Chinaman" to refer to us Chinese. If you are half intelligent as you are trying to pretend, you may already know about it.
Why should I not say it? A Chinaman is to China as an Englishman is to England and a Frenchman is to France. Really, get over the sensitivity. If you're really proud as you claim you wouldn't care what variations foreigners call you.
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On March 15 2005 23:51 Pacifist wrote:
moltkewarding, you are basing your arguments primarily on what you've observed in the western world around you and your western education
has the possibility that you're being ignorant every crossed your mind?
I don't see how I am being ignorant, nor do I even think that is a sensible phrase. And you are really making a fairly simplistic argument on a subject that you are how shall I say- ignorant of. You know nothing of my observations, nor my education, nor those experiences which contribute to those opinions which you relate to ignorance.
You are right of course in saying that my experiences and observations in the West changed my attitude toward my native race. What does that prove though, beyond what is obvious? Can it be that someone who has lived in two cultures be less capable of comparison than when he lives under one? If I am not qualified to make such comparisons, who is?
You can disagree with what I think, but to opine that my personal experiences make me less qualified to judge the matter than is proper (whoever that may be) makes absolutely no sense.
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On March 14 2005 15:38 choboPEon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2005 23:21 Hydrolisko wrote:On March 13 2005 23:18 tiffany wrote:On March 13 2005 23:10 Hydrolisko wrote:
jesus please.. china is too nice.. they shoulda attacked taiwan a long time ago.. now please do what you gotta do and get this issue over with. Whats USA gonna do? goto war with China over Taiwan? give me a break. stop talking out of your ass huh? can u give me a more intelligent response than that so I can at least reply to what you have to say?... >.< china's too nice? why does that deserve an intelligent response?
An intelligent response it may not deserve, as I was speakin in a half-joking manner anyway. What I meant was for him to respond in a MORE intelligent way than he did with those 5 words, I can't exactly respond to "stop talking out of your ass". Instead he could perhaps explain why he thinks that way?...
any wow some long ass posts in this thread.
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I dont want to sound like racist. And it is not my intention to offend anyone. Of course my opinions are biased. Becouse i live in one of the cultures and i am strongly influenced by it. Well i belive that you cant call on culture superior over another. There simply is not comparison. BUt there some facts i wanted to presented. And i like to know your opinion on the matter.
How do feel with fact that you are surronded by Western culture. I bet that apart from leanguge that you are using, some cermonials in your life, objeckts of art and such things everythink you encounter is a part of western culture.
Internet, computer,electricty, cars every object made using advenced science. Matarials of which some of your cloths are made, the things you learn in phiscs and chamistry and so on. EVen the form chinsee governament is ruled. It has not chinsee orgins. Almost every thing you encounter in your life has its orgins in the west.
The fact is that eastern culture was not capeble and propably would never be capapble of making those things. Their are of western making. Even your outlock on world is strongly infulenced by the achivements of western science/culture.
I am not saying that eastern culture is somewhat worse by that. Culture cant be better or worse. I am simply asking if you recognize that fact, and how do feel about it? Knowing that you live in somme sort of mix, between west and east?
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On March 16 2005 05:13 Silvanel wrote:
How do feel with fact that you are surronded by Western culture. I bet that apart from leanguge that you are using, some cermonials in your life, objeckts of art and such things everythink you encounter is a part of western culture.
Internet, computer,electricty, cars every object made using advenced science. Matarials of which some of your cloths are made, the things you learn in phiscs and chamistry and so on. EVen the form chinsee governament is ruled. It has not chinsee orgins. Almost every thing you encounter in your life has its orgins in the west.
All these inventions are American origin, other Western countries have nothing to do with these.
American >>>> you.
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Poor newb. You have absolutly no idea of what you are talking about.
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every other western country cant even hold themselves together without american money after WWII, forget about inventing stuff
they would still living in stone age without US
actually, its been already like that after WWI
well, poor eastern europe is the exception since they just came out of stone age recently, but thats even worse
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On March 16 2005 05:13 Silvanel wrote:
I dont want to sound like racist. And it is not my intention to offend anyone. Of course my opinions are biased. Becouse i live in one of the cultures and i am strongly influenced by it. Well i belive that you cant call on culture superior over another. There simply is not comparison. BUt there some facts i wanted to presented. And i like to know your opinion on the matter.
How do feel with fact that you are surronded by Western culture. I bet that apart from leanguge that you are using, some cermonials in your life, objeckts of art and such things everythink you encounter is a part of western culture.
Internet, computer,electricty, cars every object made using advenced science. Matarials of which some of your cloths are made, the things you learn in phiscs and chamistry and so on. EVen the form chinsee governament is ruled. It has not chinsee orgins. Almost every thing you encounter in your life has its orgins in the west.
The fact is that eastern culture was not capeble and propably would never be capapble of making those things. Their are of western making. Even your outlock on world is strongly infulenced by the achivements of western science/culture.
I am not saying that eastern culture is somewhat worse by that. Culture cant be better or worse. I am simply asking if you recognize that fact, and how do feel about it? Knowing that you live in somme sort of mix, between west and east?
How do feel with fact that you are surronded by Western culture. I bet that apart from leanguge that you are using, some cermonials in your life, objeckts of art and such things everythink you encounter is a part of western culture. Yes, but that does not mean I am uncritical of Western culture. I think alot of people who live in the West, who are as cynical as me about it want to imagine an exotic oriental alternative which is in many ways better. Such illusions cannot exist for me. I also find it revolting that in many instances where Asian countries imitate the West, they imitate the worst aspects of Western culture- blue jeans and punk music, military technology and pornography. Culture and civilization are two different things. It's unfortunately true that some of the least civilized aspects of western culture are being imitated. In the OGN vods, the intro music makes me kind of sad. Not that koreans would understand such things like "motherfucker" in the music, but I can't understand such things either.
My preference however stems not from an academic discussion over cultures, but private experiences with two different breeds of people. I like people here better than I like Chinamen. This to some extent has to do with their civilizing instincts. The kind of appalling barbarism and insensitivity for human dignity i've seen in China does not yet exist here. (They are appalling only in retrospect, I do not imagine that I was any different from anyone else there), neither does the oppressive atmosphere of tyranny, which is not primarily political (which is all Western people can complain about), but rooted in the very fabric of family life and daily existance.
People say China has changed since I was there last, (I have avoided every opportunity at going back), economically and so forth, but how can the mentality of a billion people change over a span of ten years? It seems to me ridiculous.
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Canada9720 Posts
On March 16 2005 06:08 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Yes, but that does not mean I am uncritical of Western culture. I think alot of people who live in the West, who are as cynical as me about it want to imagine an exotic oriental alternative which is in many ways better. Such illusions cannot exist for me. I also find it revolting that in many instances where Asian countries imitate the West, they imitate the worst aspects of Western culture- blue jeans and punk music, military technology and pornography. Culture and civilization are two different things. It's unfortunately true that some of the least civilized aspects of western culture are being imitated. In the OGN vods, the intro music makes me kind of sad. Not that koreans would understand such things like "motherfucker" in the music, but I can't understand such things either.
My preference however stems not from an academic discussion over cultures, but private experiences with two different breeds of people. I like people here better than I like Chinamen. This to some extent has to do with their civilizing instincts. The kind of appalling barbarism and insensitivity for human dignity i've seen in China does not yet exist here. (They are appalling only in retrospect, I do not imagine that I was any different from anyone else there), neither does the oppressive atmosphere of tyranny, which is not primarily political (which is all Western people can complain about), but rooted in the very fabric of family life and daily existance.
People say China has changed since I was there last, (I have avoided every opportunity at going back), economically and so forth, but how can the mentality of a billion people change over a span of ten years? It seems to me ridiculous.
Hey..
I like bluejeans.
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Hey..
I like bluejeans.
Decent people wear greyjeans -_-
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I like punk music
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80's-style acid-washed is so the way to go.
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On March 16 2005 06:53 MoltkeWarding wrote:Decent people wear greyjeans -_-
blue jeans > all
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On March 16 2005 03:26 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2005 23:40 FeelTheMoment wrote:
By the way You may try to use other word than "Chinaman" to refer to us Chinese. If you are half intelligent as you are trying to pretend, you may already know about it. Why should I not say it? A Chinaman is to China as an Englishman is to England and a Frenchman is to France. Really, get over the sensitivity. If you're really proud as you claim you wouldn't care what variations foreigners call you.
You knew it had a racism background and you don't feel ashamed to use it given you are a Chinese yourself?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=chinaman
This kid is beyond crap.
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On March 16 2005 08:36 FeelTheMoment wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2005 03:26 MoltkeWarding wrote:On March 15 2005 23:40 FeelTheMoment wrote:
By the way You may try to use other word than "Chinaman" to refer to us Chinese. If you are half intelligent as you are trying to pretend, you may already know about it. Why should I not say it? A Chinaman is to China as an Englishman is to England and a Frenchman is to France. Really, get over the sensitivity. If you're really proud as you claim you wouldn't care what variations foreigners call you. You knew it had a racism background and you don't feel ashamed to use it given you are a Chinese yourself? http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=chinamanThis kid is beyond crap.
FeelTheMoment we all know it can be a very bad word but i'd rather not take what he said out of the context. I think he's trying to use the word to indicate all the chinese ethnics around the world while reserving the word Chinese for chinese citizens.
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On March 16 2005 03:24 MoltkeWarding wrote:
What do you mean am I chinese? I am a citizen of Canada who was born in China. Technically I am a "hyphenated Canadian", in character I resemble neither very much.
Let me put this simply: An English speaking person can tell you about writers and books in French, German, Latin, Greek, etc. A German, French, Greek, Italian, Mexican, Japanese speaking person can tell you about writers in books in English (according to some reports, Anne of Green Gables is doing better in Japan than in Canada). No one outside China has read anything Chinese.
Why the hell would you bash your mother country the way you did? It doesn't matter what nationality you are, you are Chinese. My family immigrated to Canada when I was just eleven, and we are now Canadians. When people ask me, "Are you Chinese?" I would never say "No, I am hypenated-Canadian."
I take pride in being Chinese, unlike you. Were you ever insulted by some retarded morons at a younger age for being Chinese and so you try to deny it as much as possible: "in character I resemble neither very much"
I have news for you, if both of your parents are Chinese, it's impossible for you to look white. You'll look Chinese.
People in Singapore speak Mandarine; people in Taiwan read and write in Chinese (Taiwanese may criticize China as a nation, but they would never insult the Chinese culture). Japanese is based on Chinese - one third of their symbols is actually Chinese, and the Old Korean was also Chinese based, and I think knowing Chinese in Korea is just like knowing Latin in an English speaking country.
I don't even know what you mean by "No one outside China has read anything Chinese". This is a faulty argument, you are generalizing way too much.
Interpretation 1: What makes you think that no one outside of China has read a Chinese book?
Interpretation 2: Whenever I return to China, I bring back tons of books and read them in my spare time.
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the radio was invented with the help of several different countrymen, britain, germany, italy, and the u.s. by pooling everyones contributions: maxwell, marconi, etc. it came together in the u.s. though.
as for the television, two people are largely responsible for its invention. some russian guy who came to the u.s. and farnsworth, some mormon kid who when he was 14 wrote the basic specs that would later become the t.v. also, sarnoff was the man who brought it all together as the head of rca and i think he was from russia.
the internet, i think can be declared an american achievement. the military began arpanet, then universities began networking to other univs, email first killer app etc. worked on by many people im sure from several different countries originally, but american nonetheless.
can anyone name inventions and from what country?
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On March 16 2005 09:08 Chibi[OWNS] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2005 08:36 FeelTheMoment wrote:On March 16 2005 03:26 MoltkeWarding wrote:On March 15 2005 23:40 FeelTheMoment wrote:
By the way You may try to use other word than "Chinaman" to refer to us Chinese. If you are half intelligent as you are trying to pretend, you may already know about it. Why should I not say it? A Chinaman is to China as an Englishman is to England and a Frenchman is to France. Really, get over the sensitivity. If you're really proud as you claim you wouldn't care what variations foreigners call you. You knew it had a racism background and you don't feel ashamed to use it given you are a Chinese yourself? http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=chinamanThis kid is beyond crap. chinaman is a man who lives in china in the same way nigger is a black man with other black homies. that means it's not necessarily an insult, and if you're using our language then you must recognise that a chinaman is a man from china and i dont give a fuck if it's used as an insult anywhere else because i fucking HATE it when people judge people based on their use of language and if one more fucking word gets censored due to retards like this i'm fgoing to start shooting people and give you a real fucking problem. who the fuck feels ashamed for using a word anyway, are you really that emotionally fragile.
I thought niggar is a publicly banned word espcially when it is used to refer to a black person. It might be ok to use it as some sort of joke but I am pretty sure what you gonna get if you say it in someone's face who has a African origin.
It does not hurt my feelings whatsoever, but if I see it is used in a post full of bias against my country I feel it is my responsability to point it out. I don't really care about what he said, apparently he doesn't know very much about China or Chinese culture.
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