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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
March 06 2011 23:48 GMT
#2241
Last 2 games he's been insane on them.
Let's see if he continues it.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
FQD1911
Profile Joined April 2010
83 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 00:22:57
March 07 2011 00:10 GMT
#2242
saw an interesting article on ESPN Insider written by Chris Palmer comparing Rose to Wade (it's long, but a good read...surprisingly):

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+ Show Spoiler +
In this space we'll break down the best individual matchup of the week to see who's the better player. But toss out career accomplishments or potential. This is about ability -- strengths, weaknesses, intangibles -- and who gives his team the best chance to win. It's about the only thing that matters when you step on the court on any given night -- who's better right now.

Positions don't define superstars. Their games do. Elite players take over in crucial moments, make their teams better and guard anyone who happens to be in front of them. In other words, a nightly checklist for this week's combatants.

In this clash of Chicago-born high flyers Derrick Rose and Dwyane Wade, two of the most electrifying guards in the game go head-to-head for Windy City bragging rights. While Rose looks to become a permanent fixture in the ranks of the upper elite, Wade is having yet another All-NBA season despite a new role as sidekick to fellow superstar LeBron James.

Unless they get cross matched, Wade and Rose will only see each other face to face for a handful of possessions. But make no mistake, those possessions could decide the game.

Rose is riding a tidal wave of MVP buzz into the last third of the regular season. But he'll need much more than buzz to beat out D-Wade in this matchup.

VITALS

Derrick Rose
PPG: 24.6
RPG: 4.4
APG: 8.1
FG%: 44.2
FT%: 83.8
PER: 22.78

Dwyane Wade
Miami Heat
PPG: 25.5
RPG: 6.8
APG: 4.3
FG%: 50.0
FT%: 73.1
PER: 25.05

KEY STRENGTHS

ROSE: QUICKNESS
Rose makes a living with the quickest wheels in the business. His explosion after his nifty crossover makes him nearly unguardable. He can put enough space between himself and a defender to get off an uncontested 18-foot jump shot on the wing or the elbow, but he's best at using that quickness to get to the rim. What makes it dicey for defenders is that he can change directions two or three times from the top of the key to the rim without slowing down. His jump stop toward the rim doesn't drain momentum, allowing Rose to use his sculpted 6-foot-3, 190-pound body to power home a finish. Want to see him really move? Check the break. "When he gets the rebound and pushes it, we're unstoppable," says Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau. "He's a freight train, and it's a basket or a foul every time."

WADE: SCORING CREATIVITY
On his forays to the rim, Wade possesses unparalleled artistry. He routinely takes and makes shots he doesn't practice. During the course of a game, his shots are like snowflakes -- each different from the next and beautiful to look at. Impeccable mid-air balance, hang time and an ability to shoot with either hand make him one of the game's best scorers in the half court. He's also got the strength to take the ball across his body without sacrificing control in order to get off a good shot. But it's not just flash, his creativity has a functional purpose, since Wade is reacting to the defense and simply moving the ball and contorting his body to avoid his shot being blocked. Fortunately for Wade, his exemplary shot-making skills often bail him out of even the most ill-advised attempts.

Advantage: Rose

KEY WEAKNESSES

ROSE: DEFENSIVE AWARENESS
Rose's focus on D waned early in his career, and he had a habit of reaching, which caused him to get beat more often than someone with his athleticism should. Under the defensive-minded Thibodeau, Rose has made the biggest defensive gains of his career, gambling less and improving his shot challenges. But in Thibodeau's zone-like system, which relies heavily on helping, Rose will still miss assignments from time to time, earning an earful from his coach. "He's better on the ball, but now we're working on recognizing defensive pictures quicker," Bulls assistant coach Ron Adams says. "And my goal for him is to grab five defensive rebounds per game."

WADE: HELP DEFENSE
Wade has gotten into the habit of roaming the floor in search of big plays but often finds himself in no man's land, leaving his man wide open. He has had a tendency to overcommit on help defense in the past because of his ability to cover so much ground, but at this point in his career, Wade must recognize help situations better and use more discretion when leaving his man. On Feb. 24 with the score tied against the Miami Heat, Rose drove hard down the left side of the lane while being guarded tightly by LeBron James. Wade left Luol Deng in the corner to help when it wasn't needed. Rose then hit Deng who drilled a 3-pointer with 16 seconds remaining. The Heat lost 93-89.

Advantage: Push

SECRET SKILL

ROSE: THE REVERSE LAYUP
Rose is among the best at using the rim to shield the ball from an attacking big man, a big reason why the reverse layup has become his most reliable weapon. When he drives the baseline, the help defense will collapse down from the top looking for a block. Rose will take off from the immediate side of the rim and bait the defense into jumping before reversing and finishing safely on the opposite side. But he smartly utilizes the move when he drives down the middle of the lane as well, simply shifting the ball to the opposite side of the rim from which the help defender is approaching. Rose will also use the rim as a shield in transition to avoid the come-from-behind block, essentially ruining any angle a trailing defender might have.

WADE: THE SIDESTEP
It's not really in Wade's game to run over defenders. Instead, he has developed a highly effective move to skirt would-be defenders. When he penetrates the lane in half court or transition, after picking up his dribble and taking his first step, he pushes off his right foot and steps wide around the defender who's looking to draw a charge. He often follows it with a scoop shot or runner variation. Known as a Eurostep, opponents often complain Wade travels because his two steps come in opposite directions and the second is extra long and a bit drawn out. "People get aggravated because you play good D and he goes right around you," former teammate Dorell Wright says. They can complain all they want but it's a legit move and effective as any in the league.

Advantage: Wade

INTANGIBLES

ROSE: HUMILITY
In an age of boisterous superstars and unchecked bravado, Rose's quiet humility has endeared him to his teammates. "I think his personality is great for this team," fellow Bull Joakim Noah says. "Everything he does is sincere, and guys want to play hard for him." Just as important, his humbleness has served him well in a tough town to be a superstar -- especially for a homegrown talent. "There's so much pressure that comes with playing in Chicago," former Bulls guard Jamal Crawford says. "Everybody wants you to live up to MJ. They want you to do the impossible. Because he's so humble he keeps everything in perspective and never gets bothered by it."

WADE: TOUGHNESS
Wade is known for picking himself up when he's down. Literally. Wade probably hits the ground more than any player in the game yet shows uncanny resiliency in shrugging off a myriad bumps and bruises. One of the reasons Wade is able to survive his collisions with the hardwood is that he's become an expert at falling down, sliding on his butt or pushing off the floor with his hands to lessen the impact. But sometimes it's unavoidable. Against the Orlando Magic on Feb. 3, Dwight Howard hit Wade in midair, dropping him six feet onto his back. To Wade's credit, he picked himself up and went to the free-throw line before returning to play the fourth quarter.

Advantage: Rose

PLAVER POV

"Rose is a true MVP candidate right now. He's playing the best basketball of anyone in the league. He's just dominating games, and he's one of the best athletes around and only getting better. Everyone said his shooting was weak, and he's answered that. I love his approach to the game and the intensity he brings. He really deserves all the credit he's getting because he's legit. People are always talking about him as the MVP for a reason. He's just a special player."
-- Deron Williams

"Wade is as tough a cover as you'll find. His body is strong and solid and his big hands are like mitts. That gives him a huge advantage offensively because he can do so many different things with the ball. He's so crafty with his shot fakes and the way he splits double teams, too. His smarts make him really hard to guard. Everybody knows he's going to go left, but there's really nothing you can do. You just have to hope he's having an off night. He's the best there is right now."
-- Dorell Wright

WINNER

DERRICK ROSE
By the slimmest of margins Rose has proven himself the better player. He may lack Wade's charisma and panache, but Rose edges him in a number of significant areas that matter more to superstardom. Wade is a marquee slasher, but Rose gets into the lane even more easily and is already a better shooter from the elbow and behind the arc.

No guard is better at getting to the line than D-Wade, but Rose is not far off ( 6.3 to 8.7 FTA on almost three fewer drives per game) and shoots a much higher free-throw percentage (83.8 to 73.1). And, despite the fact he handles the ball on every possession, Rose is averaging only 0.3 more turnovers than Wade.

"He's playing like he's unstoppable," Boston Celtics point guard Rajon Rondo says. "He's so explosive, and now he's knocking down shots so he's basically doing everything."

This season Rose is on track to become just the seventh player in history to average at least 24 points and eight assists.

"There is a certain type of desire to be great that select guys have," says Adams, the Bulls assistant. "Michael Jordan had it. And Derrick has it, too."

Rose is looking for something else MJ has. If the next six weeks hold to form Rose will likely become the first Bull to win MVP since Jordan and, in the process, officially claim the throne as the best guard in the league.


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while i don't agree w/ the overall assessment of Rose being better than Wade right now, find it surprising how the media is now starting to be on Rose's bandwagon. the MVP race will be very interesting as the season unfolds...

EDIT: did a spoiler tag so the article wouldn't clog up the page.
Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and unwanted pregnancies
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
March 07 2011 00:28 GMT
#2243
Humility beats toughness? D:
~o~ I have returned
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
March 07 2011 00:45 GMT
#2244
I think it's just the writer's excuse for not having to give it to Lebron again tbh. They literally can't give it to Wade just because Lebron's stats are better, so they've been hyping Derrick Rose all season. And he is amazing and has a tonne of great attributes to become the best point guard in the league, but it's arguable that he's there yet. I think most people see Wade as a better player than Rose still.

Luckily the writer's have more to justify their choice with Chicago being 3-0 against Miami.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 00:46:07
March 07 2011 00:45 GMT
#2245
+ Show Spoiler +
Hahaha take that Miami! On a different note, anyone as surprised as I am that Lakers actually beat the Spurts at their home court?
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
Alexson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belarus293 Posts
March 07 2011 00:52 GMT
#2246
Who's playing today!?!?!?
Liberal who supports gun use and supports an eye for an eye
FQD1911
Profile Joined April 2010
83 Posts
March 07 2011 00:52 GMT
#2247
agreed SK. Ace & I have had the "is D-Rose there" convo before; while we both may differ on how far he really is, we both agree he's not the best PG yet. he COULD be during the playoff run, but people are still going to view this season as CP3 being hurt most of it (hence, he hasn't usurped him just yet). imo, he's AT THE LOWEST a top 3 PG; his statistical categories just won't allow it to be any lower. BUT, he does have a way to go (and also, needs to show this wasn't an outlier).
Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and unwanted pregnancies
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
March 07 2011 01:08 GMT
#2248
baron KILLING IT again
starleague forever
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
March 07 2011 01:14 GMT
#2249
On March 07 2011 09:28 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Humility beats toughness? D:


This is the crap that I can not stand from sportswriters. I mean how does D-Rose's "HUMILITY" translate in an individual basketball sense? Are they saying that Wade is somehow selfish? Because he and Brandon Roy have been the best passing 2 guards over the last 3 years. Even this crap about locker room chemistry is grating.

The way that guys like Bill Simmons and Mike Wilbon absolutely anoint this guy is so silly. "He does it the right way!" "His teammates love him!" I actually find Derrick Rose to be incredibly boring, his lack of charisma is totally shocking, especially when juxtaposed with this "on the court" style. Humility. Ridiculous.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 01:18:00
March 07 2011 01:16 GMT
#2250
chris paul injured .. taken out on a stretcher :o
[image loading]

starleague forever
FQD1911
Profile Joined April 2010
83 Posts
March 07 2011 01:22 GMT
#2251
are you shitting me? you have got to be KIDDING me. my star PG in my fantasy league goes down. that has to be 10 players i picked up that have been hurt.
Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and unwanted pregnancies
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
March 07 2011 01:24 GMT
#2252
My goodness, I hope that neck brace is just precautionary.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 02:11:35
March 07 2011 01:50 GMT
#2253
I'm not surprised about the Lakers, I think they can handle the Spurs in a playoff series also.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
March 07 2011 03:11 GMT
#2254
Pau was hitting that mid range all game long, when that happens its all over.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
March 07 2011 03:21 GMT
#2255
On March 07 2011 09:45 Existential wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hahaha take that Miami! On a different note, anyone as surprised as I am that Lakers actually beat the Spurts at their home court?


I'm surprised they got blown away (20+ points consistently)
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
March 07 2011 04:05 GMT
#2256
On March 07 2011 10:14 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 09:28 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Humility beats toughness? D:


This is the crap that I can not stand from sportswriters. I mean how does D-Rose's "HUMILITY" translate in an individual basketball sense? Are they saying that Wade is somehow selfish? Because he and Brandon Roy have been the best passing 2 guards over the last 3 years. Even this crap about locker room chemistry is grating.

The way that guys like Bill Simmons and Mike Wilbon absolutely anoint this guy is so silly. "He does it the right way!" "His teammates love him!" I actually find Derrick Rose to be incredibly boring, his lack of charisma is totally shocking, especially when juxtaposed with this "on the court" style. Humility. Ridiculous.

Watch professional wrestling if you need stars to have outsized personalities.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
March 07 2011 04:45 GMT
#2257
Why are people so surprised about the Lakers? A Phil Jackson coached team going for a three peat with one of the GOAT players on their team and people are surprised they beat the Spurs?

The only think that will surprise me about the Lakers this year is if they don't make the NBA Finals.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
March 07 2011 04:45 GMT
#2258
Why do I ever watch the Warriors play? T_T
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
March 07 2011 04:54 GMT
#2259
Probably the same reason I watch the Bucks :'(
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
cma1681
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States59 Posts
March 07 2011 05:52 GMT
#2260
Why do I ever watch the Warriors play? T_T


I've gotta say the Warriors have one of the most exciting teams to watch today. They remind me of the mid-2000s Nuggets with Iverson and Anthony running the team. No defense, high scoring, fun as hell to watch.
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