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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:43 King of Kings wrote: Beta is 2hrs long, ololol. I would rather get a HotS or new WoW-Addon Betakey. It didn't say anything in the email about the length of the beta so idk what you're talking about. The way he worded it made it sound as if he got an actual invite to a real beta. | ||
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xajten
Sweden18 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:43 King of Kings wrote: Bad people owning me in PvP, because they bought a imba Chars/Items... ?! Beta is 2hrs long, ololol. I would rather get a HotS or new WoW-Addon Betakey. PvP will use matchmaking to place you on equal footing in terms of gear and skill. In other words, if you get owned, it's because you're bad, not because they bought their character/gear. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On August 02 2011 16:30 DDie wrote: Total biscuit on the AH: How can TB hate the auction house but then condone the fact that you can purchase champions on LoL? Purchasing champions in LoL is actually buying power, since balance isnt perfect and the starting champions arent necessarily the best. | ||
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MasterFischer
Denmark836 Posts
The AH Real Money thing is totally fine. -There will be region locking, so no, there won't be chinese sweapshops ruining your realm. - The system is balanced, because you can sell nice stuff if u find it, to get the stuff you really want. It works both ways - People won't go, "How much can i get for this".. "They will go, wow cool item, i don't need it for my char, but maybe i can trade it on AH for something that i DO need.. by selling it.. " - Anybody can sell or buy real money or just gold auctions, there is a choice, and there WILL be a viable gold economy on the AH auction house - HC characters can't use the AH REAL money - Buying items and farming is a part of EVERY FUCKING RPG, MMORPG... regardless of AH REAL MONEY, it won't go away, it just goes to other places than blizzard can provide security and emphasis for. - There will be people buying accounts, buying items.. farming MASSLY... in every game.. including Diablo 3... how does this surprise you? Real AH changes nothing, other than giving people a chance to conduct selling of items fairly for either real money or gold.. LASTLY, you never have to buy anything with real money... Say you find a godly item, and sell it on the real money ah. Instead of cash, you can get E-balance money, which works exactly like real money, except it only can be used to buy other real money items in diablo 3 or you can use it to buy blizzard stuff.. NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP with the whine... and let's all just enjoy the game and see how it all pans out. It's not even released. | ||
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demonik187
United States575 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:42 Firewood wrote: It will affect the game, the RMAH will affect gold AH. I'm not gonna be mad about rich noobs buying items, because i probably have more money than him anyways  . And it's not about farming the gear yourself, i played Diablo 2 because i loved the trading. RMAH will hurt the trading item for item market and it will affect me. Money talks, thats it.And please just shut the fuck up about "you're whining". All you rethorical misfit kids thinks it's whine as soon as someone disagrees with you, so fucking juvenile, grow the fuck up. But you ARE whining. I don't care that you disagree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Calling people who like the system retards is more than just a simple "disagreement". I just love to point out that you and others like you love to complain and blow things out of proportion to the point of ridiculousness. And this "kid" is 30 years old. Who is more juvenile? The one who starts name calling and makes baseless accusations when someone disagrees with them? I'm glad my counter arguement has made you so mad. Learn to check your temper young one. Anyway... The only way it will affect the game is the AH. How will it affect item to item trades? A valuable item will be just as valuable with or without an AH system. So I ask again what don't you like? | ||
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Firewood
Sweden49 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:39 Artrey wrote: The absolutely most important point is: It has always been the case. Item selling/buying is nothing new, thousands did it and you can not stop it, whatever you try. Just with a lot more scamming and less safety. Now you have a safe platform for the buyers which might increase the demand, but at the same time, there is a lot more competition, so prices will most likely drop except for top top notch items. Since the AH is anonymous and kinda obsoletes item shops, I think spamming will definitely be less valuable (combined with the fact that accounts cost more money now). "Hacking" will increase - well, the auctioning stuff is completely anonymous, your CC info is a lot more safe, you will not be scammed if you want to buy and everyone who does not use an authenticator has to blame himself. The market will be far too big to control for minorities and there will be too much new stuff incoming constantly. This is not a 3000 people wow server... - Less scamming for those who like to buy stuff (and I am sure there is A LOT more that do it than you might think) - It would be there anyway, you can not stop people from buying - competition for the black market prices - d2jsp has to die (such a crazy business model ripping off the players, clever concept of njaguar though) Plus: not mega rare but good items will be available very cheap (which will also translate to the gold ah more quickly). Downside: Really good / perfect items will be insanely hard to obtain / compete for. But this has been the case lately since everyone used d2jsp anyway. Honestly, I am going to play HC only and I would rather want to have an RMT ah as well so d2jsp will be irrelevant. After all, all the complaints are about things you can not change anyway, whereas Blizzard just takes out the ripoff from certain individuals that got rich by exploiting the desire to compete of players with a job. Thank you for the response. I still don't feel that reasons are valid for Blizzards action. First of all Blizzard does this only for the money. They don't give a fuck if you engage in shady business and gets ripped off. But they can use that into their public relations and say it and make it look good. But where was Blizzard when people got scammed for real in D2. Not lifting a finger. I don't want the scamming to occur either, in a perfect world it wouldn't. Blizzards stand was that it was forbidden and if it was forbidden, you had to suit yourself if you did end up in a scamming situation. Point is you broke the rules, you hade it coming. There are tons of shady businees going on in the real world, but you can't just go legal with everything to protect those who engage in such activities from being scammed etc. And yes it would be there anyways, you are right about that, as it was in Diablo 2. But now when it's right under the tip of your nose it will have a larger impact. | ||
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MasterFischer
Denmark836 Posts
Lol, egocentrical much? worry about YOU, worry about what YOU and your FRIENDS do and have fun with in the game, not other people. What does that have to do with you? So you can raise your e-peen? So you can patronize and look down on other people, because they don't have uber gear like you? Really? Get over yourselves please. | ||
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Firewood
Sweden49 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:58 demonik187 wrote: But you ARE whining. I don't care that you disagree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Calling people who like the system retards is more than just a simple "disagreement". I just love to point out that you and others like you love to complain and blow things out of proportion to the point of ridiculousness. And this "kid" is 30 years old. Who is more juvenile? The one who starts name calling and makes baseless accusations when someone disagrees with them? I'm glad my counter arguement has made you so mad. Learn to check your temper young one. Anyway... The only way it will affect the game is the AH. How will it affect item to item trades? A valuable item will be just as valuable with or without an AH system. So I ask again what don't you like? I already wrote why i don't like it, read again. | ||
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ObserverSix2One
Israel115 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:37 SKC wrote: Blizzard adressed that by saying: Tons of people that start playing the game do it on single player, that's reasonable. If you don't know anything about the game, it's common to start like that, it's the same even in SC2. After playing for some time, they would try the multiplayer, but would find out their character was gone and they would have to start over. That's not nice, specially for someone that doesn't have a lot of time to play. They idea of starting on Bnet and creating a game just for yourself is not intuitive at all, by storing every character you create on Battle Net, Blizzard avoids this problem. You can say this is catering to casuals, that people should think more before doing something, that being able to play without a Bnet account is more important, but it very easy to see how that was a problem. A lot of people didn't even try playing through Battle.net, now, if they want, they can try it without losing all the time already spent. The reason they gave wasn't even piracy, even if it may have influenced it, like SC2 it's very easy to crack the single player part of the game, which, unlike SC, is the biggest reason to play a cracked version. And honestly, I believe a lot less people will be affected by the D3 system than people have been by the D2 system. the "Tons of people that start playing the game do it on single player" can do it on the online single player, and then what you are saying wouldn't be a problem no? | ||
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Defrag
Poland414 Posts
I just hope the fight wont be as slow as in the trailers, the game lacks dynamics of diablo 2. | ||
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
On August 02 2011 16:36 han_han wrote: The auction is fine and dandy, I just wish they'd stop being gay about being online to play SINGLE PLAYER. If I want to install this game on my laptop and just quest while I'm on a car ride somewhere = impossible because I don't have internet access. I can do that with brood war. I can do that with WC3. I can do that with Diablo 2. Starcraft 2 at least has that guest mode bullshit, but let's face it, I didn't really care much about the SC2 campaign. I really hope Blizz changes their mind about that whole "z0mg you must be signed in or you're a pirate!11!1!!" attitude because the pirates will find a way around it, leaving the consumers screwed while the pirates don't give a damn because they have a workaround. For all you people going "lyke, companys totally haz rite to protekt copiryte infrinjes," DRM doesn't help you, the consumer, IN ANY WAY. Pirates find a way to crack or go around the DRM, and the DRM stays and bothers legit customers while NON-PAYING pirates don't have to deal with it. As someone who has been a loyal customer of Blizzard, it pains me to see it conform to the modern day piracy paranoia. It's fine if you want to protect your property, but don't sacrifice our enjoyment and convenience for it, since we're the ones who actually pay to play the game (we don't actually buy the game anymore, we buy a license lololol). I'm sorry you can't play SC2 on the internet without internet. What do you mean the pirates will find a way around it? How are they going to "find a way around it" and access an online server without internet (lol)? Now, if it we were to go with your plan and offer an offline single player, they (by they I mean any 12 year old with a bittorrent client) would easily find a way to access the game offline without buying it. I don't know if you consider pirates some elite group of hackers, but no programming prowess is required to download a torrent. Also, why do you hate DRM so much? Enter the fucking code, move on with your life. I don't see why it would bother you. No shit it doesn't help you, it helps the company tremendously though assuming the game is completely online and it can't just be cracked through (which is why that's what blizzard is doing). What you're effectively saying is that 5 minutes of your time should be more important to blizzard than millions of potential dollars in game sales because you bought their game. On August 02 2011 16:33 PepperoniPiZZa wrote: I saw that and it kind off made me mad. He's really butthurt because he didn't do any reasearch. The problem is that there are quite a few kids that blindly accept his opinion as a fact because he's "famous". Though your reasoning isn't great (lol) I'll admit that this is kind of stupid. He's kind of hating on the fact that Blizzard's going to make a lot of money without really inconveniencing people whatsoever. It's tax, plain and simple, and the idea of tax is that they take a tiny cut (they're never going to fucking charge more than a dollar just to post something unless you're listing it for ridiculous prices) out of every sale/posting that people will practically not notice so that they'll benefit greatly themselves in the end. His thing on undercutting too was kind of annoying, as if doing the economically smartest thing possible is somehow douchy. The PvP rant was just dumb. Not all PvP has to be competitive, and he acts like the first dude to get a lucky item drop is going to dominate everything and everybody for eternity. Eventually all items in the game will be acquirable to top-level players one way or another, and a balanced metagame will form. At that point the only thing standing in between D3 and eSports is RNG, which plenty of modern competitive games have (HoN and LoL, WoW to some extent). WoW is random drop based, but there are still a huge amount of people who play arena and RBGs very competitively (myself included before I quit the game). [sarcasm]Oh no, Blizzard's making a lot money because they're smart! We're all fucked, what are we going to do![/sarcasm] Of course people will blindly accept his opinion. It's not a problem though, don't see why it would be. | ||
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MarcH
United Kingdom362 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:48 TheRabidDeer wrote: How can TB hate the auction house but then condone the fact that you can purchase champions on LoL? Purchasing champions in LoL is actually buying power, since balance isnt perfect and the starting champions arent necessarily the best. Not really the idea of champions in LoL is that they are balanced you are not buying more power rather the same power in a different shape. The real LoL comparison is buying runes that for those who do not know increase your stats such as the amount of mana you have or how fast your ability cool-downs cool down and you can only get those from playing the game you can not purchase them with real money. | ||
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:48 TheRabidDeer wrote: How can TB hate the auction house but then condone the fact that you can purchase champions on LoL? Purchasing champions in LoL is actually buying power, since balance isnt perfect and the starting champions arent necessarily the best. why do people even care about what he has to say, I stopped listening when he said "i never played diablo 2, i never understood the appeal..." wtf? why is he even talking about d3 then Edit: I played D2 for 5 years (twice as much as I've played bw) so I'll add in my opinion. There's two problems I'm having with d3: 1) the auto level up/stat/skill point thing seems fishy, but I'll reserve my judgement for release 2) the auction house basically means pvp will be meaningless, since you cant distinguish between who bought their character and who earned it. Unfortunately, pvp was the whole point of diablo 2 for me, so if it sucks in D3 then I don't expect to be playing very long. However, suppose there is a very large variety of character builds, each of which requires different skills and practice to use. This would imply that getting the perfect skills, stats and gear isn't the focus of pvp anymore, and instead pvp talent is the key element. I wouldn't mind if this was the case, but unfortunately I expect it to be mostly gear-oriented like D2. Regardless, I'll be buying d3 on day 1 | ||
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MasterFischer
Denmark836 Posts
Read this well thought out article.. It explains why AH REAL MONEY AND AH in general is good.. | ||
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
Edit: At first I thought people in this thread had bad arguments, then I turned over to youtube comments and saw some of the most insightful and well-explained points I've ever seen on the internet. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tGM9J.jpg) | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On August 02 2011 18:12 Assault_1 wrote: why do people even care about what he has to say, I stopped listening when he said "i never played diablo 2, i never understood the appeal..." wtf? why is he even talking about d3 then He knows his shit about gaming. I for one played D2, and I can comfortably say things like d2jsp didn't make the game popular. | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
On August 02 2011 18:25 Novalisk wrote: He knows his shit about gaming. I for one played D2, and I can comfortably say things like d2jsp didn't make the game popular. I agree, I played D2 for years, I got a JSP account and put a few top tier items up on US West ladder softcore, people never responded so I just stuck to trading in game. I was never going to spend money on fg or pay for in game items (in any game) and I still wouldn't but that wont affect my experience in D3 so whateva. | ||
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Artrey
Germany270 Posts
On August 02 2011 18:00 Firewood wrote: I don't want the scamming to occur either, in a perfect world it wouldn't. Blizzards stand was that it was forbidden and if it was forbidden, you had to suit yourself if you did end up in a scamming situation. Point is you broke the rules, you hade it coming. There are tons of shady businees going on in the real world, but you can't just go legal with everything to protect those who engage in such activities from being scammed etc. And yes it would be there anyways, you are right about that, as it was in Diablo 2. But now when it's right under the tip of your nose it will have a larger impact. I think we can agree on that. However I think you do not see the value d2jsp recently had (from 1.10 on basically). Almost all trading of valuable stuff went through d2jsp. While agreeing that the lack of a trade currency was part of a rason, seeing how much forumgold exists and that it can be solely bought with money and not traded back into real money (except for the few item shops owners), there is a HUGE demand of people to buy stuff. d2jsp was so much bigger than anyone who did not experience it can imagine. Just go there, accumulate the top 20 fg values, calculate how much money people had to donate to njaguar to even generate that fg and you know what I am talking about. And that is with several money sink implementations like raffles, orb purchases, guilds, pay for search function etc. When all business of high quality items being done forces you to use such a site, that is such an insane ripoff, you gladly accept any other solution. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:12 Phenny wrote: Lol bragging rights, that might have been something to care about if you're a little kid but I'd expect most people to have a bit more depth regarding the reasons to why they play than that. Please tell me your deep reasons for playing a game then? Let me guess, you don't care at all about your rankings in sc2 either? You just love the graphics and enjoy to move units on the screen, right? | ||
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MarcH
United Kingdom362 Posts
Imagine I find an item I either do not need or cant use and decide to sell it and I want to make real money on it. So I list the item on the RMAH for $20 but have to pay $1 to list the item and $1 is taken off for selling the item, In this example I only make $18 and that is fine their is no issue with that as costs will exist for these transactions. The problem is that if someone else lists the same item for $19.99 my item then does not sell so I have lost $1 and if I still want to sell the item am forced to pay another $1 to re-list the item at a lower price say $19 as by the time I have noticed that I was undercut more people have done the same thing. Now a lot of you are saying well done we already knew that however the reasoning behind this change is that it stops black market sales of items as it can all be done in game and makes the whole thing safer. The problem is anyone who wants to abuse the system still can but in a legal and endorsed manner ant that has effects on everyone. So my $20 item is now worth only $5 but I only make $3 for this item but I have re-listed it once so I loose another $1. however I am competing against someone who is listing 20 of the same items at the same price that were farmed for and has the ability to influence the markets because of that so the still only make $3 per item but sell all 20 of them and have stockpiles of in-game gold to both purchase items off of the gold AH to list on the RMAH and to influence the price of items on the gold AH by driving down prices for their own profit at other peoples expense and these wont be people sat at home playing the game for fun these will be the cybercafes, warehouses and even prisoners funding prison officials (true story) and these people wont just have access to those who seek them out but the whole playerbase of the game. I know that all of my figures are baseless in this post and I used them only to illustrate my point and this completely skips over the idea of buying power in the pvp environment where I would imagine Blizz would want too see a competitive scene emerge as that would mean another source of revenue for them. | ||
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