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DDie
Brazil2369 Posts
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PepperoniPiZZa
Sierra Leone1660 Posts
I saw that and it kind off made me mad. He's really butthurt because he didn't do any reasearch. The problem is that there are quite a few kids that blindly accept his opinion as a fact because he's "famous". | ||
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han_han
United States205 Posts
I can do that with brood war. I can do that with WC3. I can do that with Diablo 2. Starcraft 2 at least has that guest mode bullshit, but let's face it, I didn't really care much about the SC2 campaign. I really hope Blizz changes their mind about that whole "z0mg you must be signed in or you're a pirate!11!1!!" attitude because the pirates will find a way around it, leaving the consumers screwed while the pirates don't give a damn because they have a workaround. For all you people going "lyke, companys totally haz rite to protekt copiryte infrinjes," DRM doesn't help you, the consumer, IN ANY WAY. Pirates find a way to crack or go around the DRM, and the DRM stays and bothers legit customers while NON-PAYING pirates don't have to deal with it. As someone who has been a loyal customer of Blizzard, it pains me to see it conform to the modern day piracy paranoia. It's fine if you want to protect your property, but don't sacrifice our enjoyment and convenience for it, since we're the ones who actually pay to play the game (we don't actually buy the game anymore, we buy a license lololol). | ||
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Grettin
42400 Posts
On August 02 2011 16:33 PepperoniPiZZa wrote: I saw that and it kind off made me mad. He's really butthurt because he didn't do any reasearch. The problem is that there are quite a few kids that blindly accept his opinion as a fact because he's "famous". I'm not going to say anything about the AH myself, since i don't really know how i feel about it, but what you just said is SO true. | ||
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Firewood
Sweden49 Posts
I don't have problems with virtual items being for sale for real money. But now, the very core of the whole game will be affected by dollars and cents. I hope they put in an achievement something like "Used real currency auction house". So can see if people used it or not so you can scream EBAYERS! when you spot one  | ||
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
D3 isn't an mmo in the sense that you have a big server with raids and people who RMT get this huge advantage. Diablo is a treasure hunting, FUN, game, its not about pushing end-game content and showing off in town like some MMOs. The outrage to me reaaaly just seems like short sighted jerk reaction rage. Personally I am totally pumped about it, and I assume anyone who plays games mildly hardcore is probably with me once they realize this isn't WoW its Diablo. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On August 02 2011 16:33 PepperoniPiZZa wrote: I saw that and it kind off made me mad. He's really butthurt because he didn't do any reasearch. The problem is that there are quite a few kids that blindly accept his opinion as a fact because he's "famous". The same way you are butthurt because this "famous" guy doesn't agree with you. Seriously, put some effort into your post if you are going to disagree with him on things he overlooked. Whatever mistakes he has in his research are minor in comparison to the bomb blizzard dropped with the real money action house. Whatever research you do, whether you like it or not the step Blizzard just took is huge and for many of us in principle WRONG which is basically core of what TB is saying. | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
On August 02 2011 16:22 papaz wrote: If you haven't been living under a rock for a decade or two the bragging rights and uniqueness in games, specially where itemization is one of the biggest drives, are quite important to gamers because of their competitive nature. Now, if you take away the bragging rights because anyone can buy the stuff instead of earn in through hours spent/skill the "shine" of the game is gone. That is what Blizzard has done with this move. Of course you can argue that hardcore mode still exists, which I believe will be the only true means of being comptetive or unique (since even the ladder is gone i PvP) but some people don't enjoy hardcore because it is a bit too stressful to gamble with your character. Lol bragging rights, that might have been something to care about if you're a little kid but I'd expect most people to have a bit more depth regarding the reasons to why they play than that. | ||
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Firewood
Sweden49 Posts
I can only really see 2 reasons for loving this RMAH 1. You think you gonna be able to make a living of playing a game. You'll porbably make dollars, but anyone with a little insight into economics knows that after a couple of months supply will be in excess to demand. Why? Because more items will be found and and the more items out there, the less money they will cost. 2. You are just to fucking retarded to get a head in a game or beat the game mechanics. I've really see no other reasons why you would cheer for RMAH. Have i missed something? Please enlighten me. | ||
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Firewood
Sweden49 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:12 Phenny wrote: Lol bragging rights, that might have been something to care about if you're a little kid but I'd expect most people to have a bit more depth regarding the reasons to why they play than that. You know Papaz is right? Tons of players has that competetive drive when playing the game and it does apply well with RPGs. But there are also a ton of casual noobs who never really becomes good at a game who doesn't enjoy it. Anyways welcome out to the world from being under that rock. Because playing for bragging rights are everywhere in games in many different forms. What up now hater? Blizzard just took the competetive thing in Diablo 3 and gave it a money making bukkake. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
On August 02 2011 16:33 PepperoniPiZZa wrote: I saw that and it kind off made me mad. He's really butthurt because he didn't do any reasearch. The problem is that there are quite a few kids that blindly accept his opinion as a fact because he's "famous". What did he get wrong. Most of the things he said seemed pretty logical, although I haven't heard any reliable info about the AH. Maybe it's about the fee if your item doesn't get sold? that part didn't sound too logical. While I don't care too much about (for or against) the RMAH, the biggest thing I care about is the potentially high amount of money blizzard and 3rd parties will be taxing for service, especially if it's true that there will be a fee. Anyway, people here have mentioned that it's impossible to stop item sellers. I'd kind of disagree with that, albeit at a huge price. Technically the game could have a system that calculates the value of items based off AH sells, and disallow people to trade items/gold that have too much of a variance from each other in value (particularly giving away free stuff). I can think of one huge problem already, namely that you can't be generous with friends (not sure if there's other problems). However, even that downside could technically be rectified to some degree. There could be a system put in place which checks how much time you've spent with a player and chatted with them, and add that value into the equation allowing an increased maximum variance of value. This sort of system will not stop people from trading accounts though, although that is more rare. Particularly now that D2 will probably use the same permanent-account-style system that starcraft 2 uses, selling accounts would be much more difficult. | ||
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demonik187
United States575 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:16 Firewood wrote: I am amazed that so many like the system. Why is that? I can only really see 2 reasons for loving this RMAH 1. You think you gonna be able to make a living of playing a game. You'll porbably make dollars, but anyone with a little insight into economics knows that after a couple of months supply will be in excess to demand. Why? Because more items will be found and and the more items out there, the less money they will cost. 2. You are just to fucking retarded to get a head in a game or beat the game mechanics. I've really see no other reasons why you would cheer for RMAH. Have i missed something? Please enlighten me. Like it because there is the potential to make money. Like it because if I don't feel like grinding to get such and such item I can probably pick it up for a reasonable cost. Why do you hate it? How will it affect you negatively? Are you gonna be mad that some rich kid is gonna have better gear than you because he could buy it? How is this any different than D2? You could buy items for D2 as well, and many many people did just that. It changes nothing. If you don't want to use the AH, then don't. Who cares? If you only farm your own gear then what do you care about in game economy anyway? If you do decide to buy something then you should be happy the supply is so high that prices are low. What's the problem? You people will seriously complain about anything. Get over it. You're gonna buy the game regardless and if you don't then good because I wouldn't care to see you whiny asses on my server anyway. | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:23 Xapti wrote: What did he get wrong. Most of the things he said seemed pretty logical, although I haven't heard any reliable info about the AH. well, i dont see why his argument about the undercutting is bad from his point of view. as i see it, if ppl get undercut and lose their real money fee several times it will only result in less ppl useing the real money AH, which is good if you are against it | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:22 Firewood wrote: You know Papaz is right? Tons of players has that competetive drive when playing the game and it does apply well with RPGs. But there are also a ton of casual noobs who never really becomes good at a game who doesn't enjoy it. Anyways welcome out to the world from being under that rock. Because playing for bragging rights are everywhere in games in many different forms. What up now hater? Blizzard just took the competetive thing in Diablo 3 and gave it a money making bukkake. I don't think it impacts competition, you see some nub who bought his gear that isn't going to make you feel inferior, you just keep playing until you can either find it yourself or purchase for in game gold. I feel quite alien to think that some people feel better showing off their shit as opposed to the rush of euphoria that you get when you finally find that epic piece of gear. Well why not compete with yourself? I mean I've played hundreds (more likely thousands) of hours of Titan Quest levelling numerous chars, running the same bosses over and over to farm for epic gear and I've never once played multiplayer mode. I still feel on top of the fucking world every time I get an awesome drop. | ||
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Artrey
Germany270 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:01 Firewood wrote: That was a great clip by TB. RMAH will create so much more problems for us legit players than any shady site would have. There will still be endelss spam from farmers, the hacking attempt will increase, the hustling and shady business will take over AH. What will stop a player to control the whole market? What will stop friends for making pacts and raise bids on AH? The dumbest shit of it all is that if you say "I'm going legit and i will only use gold AH", those prizes will be determind by RMAH, so indirectly you are still affected by it. I don't have problems with virtual items being for sale for real money. But now, the very core of the whole game will be affected by dollars and cents. I hope they put in an achievement something like "Used real currency auction house". So can see if people used it or not so you can scream EBAYERS! when you spot one The absolutely most important point is: It has always been the case. Item selling/buying is nothing new, thousands did it and you can not stop it, whatever you try. Just with a lot more scamming and less safety. Now you have a safe platform for the buyers which might increase the demand, but at the same time, there is a lot more competition, so prices will most likely drop except for top top notch items. Since the AH is anonymous and kinda obsoletes item shops, I think spamming will definitely be less valuable (combined with the fact that accounts cost more money now). "Hacking" will increase - well, the auctioning stuff is completely anonymous, your CC info is a lot more safe, you will not be scammed if you want to buy and everyone who does not use an authenticator has to blame himself. The market will be far too big to control for minorities and there will be too much new stuff incoming constantly. This is not a 3000 people wow server... On August 02 2011 17:16 Firewood wrote: I've really see no other reasons why you would cheer for RMAH. Have i missed something? Please enlighten me. - Less scamming for those who like to buy stuff (and I am sure there is A LOT more that do it than you might think) - It would be there anyway, you can not stop people from buying - competition for the black market prices - d2jsp has to die (such a crazy business model ripping off the players, clever concept of njaguar though) Plus: not mega rare but good items will be available very cheap (which will also translate to the gold ah more quickly). Downside: Really good / perfect items will be insanely hard to obtain / compete for. But this has been the case lately since everyone used d2jsp anyway. Honestly, I am going to play HC only and I would rather want to have an RMT ah as well so d2jsp will be irrelevant. After all, all the complaints are about things you can not change anyway, whereas Blizzard just takes out the ripoff from certain individuals that got rich by exploiting the desire to compete of players with a job. | ||
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rEiGN~
369 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:04 Pufftrees wrote: Personally I am totally pumped about it, and I assume anyone who plays games mildly hardcore is probably with me once they realize this isn't WoW its Diablo. Anyone mildly hardcore is going to play hardcore where real money AH is not a problem. | ||
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Firewood
Sweden49 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:31 demonik187 wrote: Like it because there is the potential to make money. Like it because if I don't feel like grinding to get such and such item I can probably pick it up for a reasonable cost. Why do you hate it? How will it affect you negatively? Are you gonna be mad that some rich kid is gonna have better gear than you because he could buy it? How is this any different than D2? You could buy items for D2 as well, and many many people did just that. It changes nothing. If you don't want to use the AH, then don't. Who cares? If you only farm your own gear then what do you care about in game economy anyway? If you do decide to buy something then you should be happy the supply is so high that prices are low. What's the problem? You people will seriously complain about anything. Get over it. You're gonna buy the game regardless and if you don't then good because I wouldn't care to see you whiny asses on my server anyway. It will affect the game, the RMAH will affect gold AH. I'm not gonna be mad about rich noobs buying items, because i probably have more money than him anyways  . And it's not about farming the gear yourself, i played Diablo 2 because i loved the trading. RMAH will hurt the trading item for item market and it will affect me. Money talks, thats it.And please just shut the fuck up about "you're whining". All you rethorical misfit kids thinks it's whine as soon as someone disagrees with you, so fucking juvenile, grow the fuck up. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
This email is not a hoax. Has his full name, blizzcon ticket ID, and battle.net account info. | ||
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King of Kings
Germany481 Posts
On August 02 2011 14:33 Phenny wrote: But how does that affect you in any way? Why worry about what other people are doing, this game is about you and possibly your friends have fun and playing through it. Bad people owning me in PvP, because they bought a imba Chars/Items... ?! Blizzcon attendees are getting D3 beta codes apparently. Beta is 2hrs long, ololol. I would rather get a HotS or new WoW-Addon Betakey. | ||
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Grettin
42400 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:43 King of Kings wrote: Bad people owning me in PvP, because they bought a imba Chars/Items... ?! Beta is 2hrs long, ololol. I would rather get a HotS or new WoW-Addon Betakey. What prevents you doing the same? Then go play HC if you dont want to do the same and or have problem with it. | ||
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