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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 01 2015 07:46 Zandar wrote: Rewatching and noticing something interesting in Season 2, E07. The scene is at 41 minutes In the beginning of the scene Jorah visits a lady in Qarth to find out who stole the dragons. She tells Jorah "All who travel too close to the Doom (of Valyria) must wear protection". I don't know who she is, but she seems to be some seer since she knows his secrets and tells him where the dragon thief is. This gave me some new hope he might survive his greyscale, maybe he listened to her. Yeah someone posted an img of that around the time it happened. There's a toooooooooon of neat little references like that. Here's a few that I've caught on a rewatch. S1 When Jon is all sad about not being a ranger, Sam says that 'when I was little I wanted to go grow up to be a wizard'. Later on in S3 when Sam is talking with Gilly explaining the existence of the secret passages of the Nightfort Gilly says "You know all that from reading marks on a page? ... You're like a wizard". Not only that, but he's also off to be a Maester where it seems pretty likely he'll forge a link for studying magic and actually become a wizard  In S3 when Dany meets the leaders of the Second Sons one of them says "I think I fucked you in a whore house in Lys. In S5 before Tyrion is abducted in Voltanis he is in a whore house where there is a whore imitating Dany. In S3 Arya says she's going to kill the Hound by stabbing him through the eye. In S5 she does that to Meryn Trant. This is in addition to the obvious ones like Locke and co singing "bear and the maiden fair" the episode before Brienne literally fights a bear in a pit. There was one thing I found curious though, when Varys was speaking with Ned in the dungeon he convinces him to join the watch 'where your bastard son and brother are'. At this point Benjen has been missing for a while and you would expect a man like Varys to be aware of that... | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On July 01 2015 09:05 Plexa wrote: There was one thing I found curious though, when Varys was speaking with Ned in the dungeon he convinces him to join the watch 'where your bastard son and brother are'. At this point Benjen has been missing for a while and you would expect a man like Varys to be aware of that... If Eddard thinks his brother is still alive and well at the watch, he might be more inclined to join, as opposed to march off to his inevitable death (Varys, at least, must have known it was inevitable). This fits with Varys' plan of keeping the stability of the kingdom for the time being, until his Targaryen resurrection plans can come into full fruition with Dany, and Varys, like everyone else, was aware that Ned's death meant inevitable war with the North | ||
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goody153
44277 Posts
Arya is sooo sick figuratively and literally rofl Bron you want the good girl but you want the bad pussy. rofl Shame Cersei whatever your plans for the Tyrell backfired wayyy too hard. Actually Cersei's actress what a god . That entire scene is kinda crazy. I assume the big dude is the mountain those poor wildlings and poor stannis losing everything in the end. Also Jon Snow you know nothing ;_; | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On July 01 2015 07:46 Zandar wrote: Rewatching and noticing something interesting in Season 2, E07. The scene is at 41 minutes In the beginning of the scene Jorah visits a lady in Qarth to find out who stole the dragons. She tells Jorah "All who travel too close to the Doom (of Valyria) must wear protection". I don't know who she is, but she seems to be some seer since she knows his secrets and tells him where the dragon thief is. This gave me some new hope he might survive his greyscale, maybe he listened to her. My favorite forshadowing is in season 1 episode 2 after Jaime has pushed Bran out of the window and talking to Tyrion about Bran surviving but unable to ever walk again, where Jaime says "I'll rarther die than be a cripple" Later on in season 3 = Jaimes sword hand (his WHOLE identity) gets chopped off How is that for poetic fucking justice | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On July 02 2015 00:14 SmoKim wrote: My favorite forshadowing is in season 1 episode 2 after Jaime has pushed Bran out of the window and talking to Tyrion about Bran surviving but unable to ever walk again, where Jaime says "I'll rarther die than be a cripple" Later on in season 3 = Jaimes sword hand (his WHOLE identity) gets chopped off How is that for poetic fucking justice well, the good guys in GoT mostly dont deserve what happens to them (ned, robb, cat, sansa, ygritte, shereen, lord commander mormont), but the bad guys in the end always get a hefty dose of karma: the hound died a painful, drawn out death, all alone in the wilderness. the mountain had to go through unspeakable suffering inside a poisoned, rotting body before he (presumably) becomes a mindless zombie soldier. jaime gets crippled and humiliated for what he does to bran and for having been an arrogant dick all life. his new humility suits him well. tywin gets shot by his own son and finds a very undignified, painful death. theon betrays robb and wreaks havoc on winterfell.... well, we all know how that turned out for him... merryn trant always enjoyed beating and abusing little girls... and in the end gets slaughtered by one. the slavelord in astapor in the first episodes of season 3 was a dick all around and gets melted by dragonfire. the witch in season 1 that, out of pure spite, tricks danny into sacrificing her unborn son gets burned alive. cersei's walk of shame speaks for itself. the only exception I see is joffrey... his death was way too quick and merciful. anyway, the series is indeed very thorough with karma. I wonder what it has in store for ramsay, roose bolton and walder frey... | ||
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Steelavocado
United States2123 Posts
On July 01 2015 09:02 marttorn wrote: Yeah, Jon is dead - Jesus was dead too! Jon...Christ? | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
The hound was simply having to follow orders from Satan and given he was beaten / tortured by his brother all his life it seemed a rather cruel way for him to go given the only really bad thing we see him do is killing the butcher's boy back in S1E2. Mirri Maz Duur had her entire village raided with the women raped and beaten and even though Dany stopped most of the rape Khal Drogo was the whole reason any of it happened so its perfectly logical she would try to assassinate his baby given her life had pretty much been destroyed by him. Thats more Karma for Drogo than it is for Mirri | ||
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BByte
Finland49 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On July 02 2015 07:40 Drazerk wrote: I wouldn't really call The Hound / Mirri Maz Duur villains The hound was simply having to follow orders from Satan and given he was beaten / tortured by his brother all his life it seemed a rather cruel way for him to go given the only really bad thing we see him do is killing the butcher's boy back in S1E2. Mirri Maz Duur had her entire village raided with the women raped and beaten and even though Dany stopped most of the rape Khal Drogo was the whole reason any of it happened so its perfectly logical she would try to assassinate his baby given her life had pretty much been destroyed by him. Thats more Karma for Drogo than it is for Mirri ofc they are not villains, there are no villains in GoT, everybody simply got their own goal, even Joffrey, he was just a kid that had no friends, had no father but had money and power. Ramsey is simply insane, still kinda don't get how Roose Bolton left him alive after all those trash he has done. Grey world with Grey ppl, not black and white... Imagine Ned were sitting on the iron throne after Robert's death, and I assume he could something do with Joffreys mind since he was a person that followed his word, almost always, but Cersei. Everything could be freaking different, sometimes little things matters much | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On July 02 2015 07:40 Drazerk wrote: I wouldn't really call The Hound / Mirri Maz Duur villains The hound was simply having to follow orders from Satan and given he was beaten / tortured by his brother all his life it seemed a rather cruel way for him to go given the only really bad thing we see him do is killing the butcher's boy back in S1E2. well, he was close to raping sansa on several occasions, as he admitted himself. he stole and beat up the farmer who had given him and arya shelter, cynically noting that "they wont survive winter anyway, so they dont need the gold". he was partly travelling with arya to protect her, partly to keep her his hostage that he can sell to her aunt. maybe he was no bad guy at heart, but many of his actions were. he lived a miserable life and died a miserable death. Mirri Maz Duur had her entire village raided with the women raped and beaten and even though Dany stopped most of the rape Khal Drogo was the whole reason any of it happened so its perfectly logical she would try to assassinate his baby given her life had pretty much been destroyed by him. Thats more Karma for Drogo than it is for Mirri while I can totally see your point, it doesnt convince me at all. how can an innocent, unborn (!) child be held responsible for the actions of his father? and even if one was willing to deem this kind of kin liability moral, it still doesnt make sense in this particular case since each khalasar necessarily will have a khal. murder drogos baby and drogos brother or nephew or some other strong guy will become khal after drogo dies. it is the nature of the dothraki to roam essos pillaging and raping. if anybody can be held responsible for the khalasar raiding mirri's village, its danny (drogo was raiding the village to gather the resources to cross the narrow sea and win the iron throne for his wife) , who immediately got her dose of karma by losing her husband, her unborn child and most of her following. so yeah, maybe mirri was not genuinely a villain, but what she did to danny, drogo and the unborn was certainly evil. she even admits that when talking to danny about the catatonic drogo: she says that she did it because she wanted danny to feel her pain and despair. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On July 02 2015 09:17 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: ofc they are not villains, there are no villains in GoT, everybody simply got their own goal, even Joffrey, he was just a kid that had no friends, had no father but had money and power. Ramsey is simply insane, still kinda don't get how Roose Bolton left him alive after all those trash he has done. Grey world with Grey ppl, not black and white... While yes it is a very grey world a lot of characters swing heavily on one side of the spectrum (Ned for good / Oli for evil) | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On July 02 2015 09:17 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: ofc they are not villains, there are no villains in GoT, everybody simply got their own goal, even Joffrey, he was just a kid that had no friends, had no father but had money and power. Ramsey is simply insane, still kinda don't get how Roose Bolton left him alive after all those trash he has done. Grey world with Grey ppl, not black and white... Imagine Ned were sitting on the iron throne after Robert's death, and I assume he could something do with Joffreys mind since he was a person that followed his word, almost always, but Cersei. Everything could be freaking different, sometimes little things matters much Being a villain does not mean that you can't have any character at all. Ransay and Joffrey are villains, by just about all definitions of the word. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On July 02 2015 09:21 Drazerk wrote: While yes it is a very grey world a lot of characters swing heavily on one side of the spectrum (Ned for good / Oli for evil) Sure it was sarcastic, Oli was a tool of Ser Aliser Torne, although I do belive Oli hated wildings due to a few obvious reasons, but still :D And Ned also was not a saint person, he killed a lot of ppl during the war and probably never told the truth about Jon Snow since we don't rly know who was his mom and dad. As I told before, everything is grey, and even Davos used to be a person against the law  On July 02 2015 09:23 Conti wrote: Being a villain does not mean that you can't have any character at all. Ransay and Joffrey are villains, by just about all definitions of the word. Does villain always follow someone's orders? Joffrey were more like a puppet of Cersei and Tywin later, while Ramsay will always follow the word of Roose Bolton. Look deeper | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On July 02 2015 09:27 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Sure it was sarcastic, Oli was a tool of Ser Aliser Torne, although I do belive Oli hated wildings due to a few obvious reasons, but still :D And Ned also was not a saint person, he killed a lot of ppl during the war and probably never told the truth about Jon Snow since we don't rly know who was his mom and dad. As I told before, everything is grey, and even Davos used to be a person against the law Does villain always follow someone's orders? Joffrey were more like a puppet of Cersei and Tywin later, while Ramsay will always follow the word of Roose Bolton. Look deeper The fuck? Joffrey killed Ned on someone's orders, then made sure the entirety of King's Landing hates his guts due to his sadistic nature because someone ordered him to be like that? Ramsay tortures and kills people for his pleasure on someone's orders? I don't even.. | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
On July 02 2015 09:17 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Ramsey is simply insane, still kinda don't get how Roose Bolton left him alive after all those trash he has done. Grey world with Grey ppl, not black and white... Even a guy like Roose needs an heir. That's why he doesn't like his father new marriage. | ||
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Hier
2391 Posts
On July 02 2015 09:20 Black Gun wrote: well, he was close to raping sansa on several occasions, as he admitted himself. [...] Don't make stuff up. | ||
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Steelavocado
United States2123 Posts
There are a ton of spoilers going around about book theories and other story lines. Much of what you read online will include a mixture of book and show stuff so be careful. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
he literally said to arya: "your pretty sister - I should have fucked her bloody when I had the chance to - that would be at least one good memory." he was obviously taunting arya to make her kill him, but someone who is exhausted and fatally wounded wont on the fly make up thoughts like that out of thin air. at least in the bedroom scene in the blackwater episode, he was clearly aware of sansas beauty and clearly aware that he could do whatever he wants with her. | ||
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