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On June 25 2015 22:35 TMG26 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 18:04 Lylat wrote:
Is anyone else disappointed by Drogon performance (who's supposedly the strongest dragon) ? He could barely take on a dozen of unorganized civilians(?) with spears, how can Daeneris expect conquering Westeros vs fully equiped and organized armies ?
Or maybe the dragon isn't fully grown up ? Drogon is still very young.
Also, dragons keep growing their entire lives, so she just has to wait a while. However, I agree that the show's portrayal makes Drogon look very weak. While dragons can surely be slain, it takes a lot more organization and specialized weaponry than a bunch of rebel rabble with wooden spears. But the Sons of the Harpy are capable of taking on the most elite fighting force in the world (Unsullied) without batting an eye, so I guess taking on a dragon is no big deal 
Imho, the Sons of the Harpy are a hamfisted plot device to replace quite a lot of more complex happenings in the books, so looking too closely at their miraculous battle prowess doesn't hold up.
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Apparently there's a petition going around to have Kit Harington cut his hair to prove that his character really is dead. That's just utterly hilarious. 
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deader than dead^^^^
i guess the night's king has found his new hand.
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do people want to know if jons actually dead through stuff like that though? with everyone trying to avoid spoilers for ages why do this. I personally rather not know until the show is actually out.
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Well no shit he is dead, he was stabbed a billion times. But that doesn't mean you can't come back
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On June 26 2015 07:54 Chewbacca. wrote:
Well no shit he is dead, he was stabbed a billion times. But that doesn't mean you can't come back
Well, do not try this IRL :D
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On June 26 2015 07:58 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 07:54 Chewbacca. wrote:
Well no shit he is dead, he was stabbed a billion times. But that doesn't mean you can't come back Well, do not try this IRL :D
HBO doesn't have that warning when the show starts?
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Seems pretty obvious from that quote he's about to be resurrected. It's the carefully worded non-denial denial. If he says Jon Snow is dead and not coming back, maybe I'll reconsider.
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On June 26 2015 09:54 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Seems pretty obvious from that quote he's about to be resurrected. It's the carefully worded non-denial denial. If he says Jon Snow is dead and not coming back, maybe I'll reconsider.
Always important to read the full interview
Was it difficult to shoot the final scene, with Jon Snow’s death?
Very difficult. As when we shot the Red Wedding, the death of Robb and Catelyn Stark, these are people you spend years with and these people become your family. Kit Harington is just a great guy and Kit was sad to leave the crew. It’s an emotional feeling as well. But I felt it was important to set up the sequence as quickly as possible so you didn’t expect it or wait for it. I didn’t want it to linger. I wanted it to catch you by surprise. I think in how David (Benioff) and Dan (Weiss) wrote it and how I decided to shoot and how our editor cut it, it was something it was quite powerful and stunning and surprising to great effect.
There’s been plenty of speculation online. So can you say emphatically that Jon Snow is dead?
I can say emphatically that Jon Snow is definitely dead. I keep hearing that phrase in my head, “Ding dong, the witch is dead.” After what you saw there, I think there’s no more clear picture whether he is dead or not.
Any chance he could be resurrected by Melisandre, who returned to Castle Black?
That’s not my concern. My concern was to take care of Jon Snow, and he’s now deader than dead.
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 well im just gonna still hope on believing that they just lying and jon is coming back ^_^
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well, it just makes too much sense for mel to resurrect him. she is nearby, the horrific sacrifice of shireen should mean that her power is at an all-time high and since jon has "definitely been deader than dead", his resurrected self will be free of is vow to the night's watch. it just makes too much sense...
of course, GRRM and DD are in a bad spot now since the 6th season of GoT will likely come out before the book, so that the handling of jon's death might be a huge spoiler for the book readers. reason enough to keep the resolution a secret for as long as possible.
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On June 25 2015 22:50 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 22:35 TMG26 wrote:On June 25 2015 18:04 Lylat wrote:
Is anyone else disappointed by Drogon performance (who's supposedly the strongest dragon) ? He could barely take on a dozen of unorganized civilians(?) with spears, how can Daeneris expect conquering Westeros vs fully equiped and organized armies ?
Or maybe the dragon isn't fully grown up ? Drogon is still very young. Also, dragons keep growing their entire lives, so she just has to wait a while. However, I agree that the show's portrayal makes Drogon look very weak. While dragons can surely be slain, it takes a lot more organization and specialized weaponry than a bunch of rebel rabble with wooden spears. But the Sons of the Harpy are capable of taking on the most elite fighting force in the world (Unsullied) without batting an eye, so I guess taking on a dragon is no big deal Imho, the Sons of the Harpy are a hamfisted plot device to replace quite a lot of more complex happenings in the books, so looking too closely at their miraculous battle prowess doesn't hold up.
Also iirc this was the first time ever drogon has fought humans who actually fought back? I guess he hasnt been taught how to fight, so for me it's perfectly ok to assume he was careless becuase he had no experience in "real" fights, and therefore was much more vulnerable than he could have been. Or should he make 100% optimal decisions just based on his instincts?
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On June 26 2015 16:51 Mafe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 22:50 Acrofales wrote:On June 25 2015 22:35 TMG26 wrote:On June 25 2015 18:04 Lylat wrote:
Is anyone else disappointed by Drogon performance (who's supposedly the strongest dragon) ? He could barely take on a dozen of unorganized civilians(?) with spears, how can Daeneris expect conquering Westeros vs fully equiped and organized armies ?
Or maybe the dragon isn't fully grown up ? Drogon is still very young. Also, dragons keep growing their entire lives, so she just has to wait a while. However, I agree that the show's portrayal makes Drogon look very weak. While dragons can surely be slain, it takes a lot more organization and specialized weaponry than a bunch of rebel rabble with wooden spears. But the Sons of the Harpy are capable of taking on the most elite fighting force in the world (Unsullied) without batting an eye, so I guess taking on a dragon is no big deal Imho, the Sons of the Harpy are a hamfisted plot device to replace quite a lot of more complex happenings in the books, so looking too closely at their miraculous battle prowess doesn't hold up. Also iirc this was the first time ever drogon has fought humans who actually fought back? I guess he hasnt been taught how to fight, so for me it's perfectly ok to assume he was careless becuase he had no experience in "real" fights, and therefore was much more vulnerable than he could have been. Or should he make 100% optimal decisions just based on his instincts?
Instinct is a powerful tool, and when u're outnumbered and surrounded, but got a possibility to fly away, the decision is obvious...but it wasn't for drogon :D Dany messed up with other two dragons, potentially the may be more useful and better-learning, but not since they are wild and in chains.
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I think it could also mean that Jon Snow is indeed dead - but he will be resurrected and no longer be Jon Snow but someone else? 
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On June 26 2015 16:51 Mafe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 22:50 Acrofales wrote:On June 25 2015 22:35 TMG26 wrote:On June 25 2015 18:04 Lylat wrote:
Is anyone else disappointed by Drogon performance (who's supposedly the strongest dragon) ? He could barely take on a dozen of unorganized civilians(?) with spears, how can Daeneris expect conquering Westeros vs fully equiped and organized armies ?
Or maybe the dragon isn't fully grown up ? Drogon is still very young. Also, dragons keep growing their entire lives, so she just has to wait a while. However, I agree that the show's portrayal makes Drogon look very weak. While dragons can surely be slain, it takes a lot more organization and specialized weaponry than a bunch of rebel rabble with wooden spears. But the Sons of the Harpy are capable of taking on the most elite fighting force in the world (Unsullied) without batting an eye, so I guess taking on a dragon is no big deal Imho, the Sons of the Harpy are a hamfisted plot device to replace quite a lot of more complex happenings in the books, so looking too closely at their miraculous battle prowess doesn't hold up. Also iirc this was the first time ever drogon has fought humans who actually fought back? I guess he hasnt been taught how to fight, so for me it's perfectly ok to assume he was careless becuase he had no experience in "real" fights, and therefore was much more vulnerable than he could have been. Or should he make 100% optimal decisions just based on his instincts?
imho the scene would have just been lame if drogon came flying in, roflstomped everybody, end. so to make it more dramatic and to make danny leave mereen and find that new khalasaar, there had to be a reason for them to fly away. that reason wouldnt have been there if drogon was (already) overpowered.
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Rewatching and noticing something interesting in Season 2, E07.
The scene is at 41 minutes
In the beginning of the scene Jorah visits a lady in Qarth to find out who stole the dragons.
She tells Jorah "All who travel too close to the Doom (of Valyria) must wear protection".
I don't know who she is, but she seems to be some seer since she knows his secrets and tells him where the dragon thief is.
This gave me some new hope he might survive his greyscale, maybe he listened to her.
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On July 01 2015 07:46 Zandar wrote:
Rewatching and noticing something interesting in Season 2, E07.
The scene is at 41 minutes
In the beginning of the scene Jorah visits a lady in Qarth to find out who stole the dragons.
She tells Jorah "All who travel too close to the Doom (of Valyria) must wear protection".
I don't know who she is, but she seems to be some seer since she knows his secrets and tells him where the dragon thief is.
This gave me some new hope he might survive his greyscale, maybe he listened to her.
Wow nice find.
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On July 01 2015 08:29 Titusmaster6 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 07:46 Zandar wrote:
Rewatching and noticing something interesting in Season 2, E07.
The scene is at 41 minutes
In the beginning of the scene Jorah visits a lady in Qarth to find out who stole the dragons.
She tells Jorah "All who travel too close to the Doom (of Valyria) must wear protection".
I don't know who she is, but she seems to be some seer since she knows his secrets and tells him where the dragon thief is.
This gave me some new hope he might survive his greyscale, maybe he listened to her. Wow nice find.
Doesn't that just mean it's already too late? He didn't wear protection
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