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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
So I would say Brienne killed for selfish reasons as in revenge. I doubt that she will get the moniker of "kingslayer" though. Since to most of Westeros Tommen is the king. Of course going by strictly legal terms Stannis was rightful king as Robert left no trueborn heirs and Renly tried to usurp the throne from him as younger brother, that made the killing of Renly pretty much a justified execution (even if dishonorable cause of the means Stannis resorted to to do it). Which made Brienne's little speech stupid imo as Renly was anything but the legitimate king. | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
Actually how legit of a king Robert was? He took the throne in a rebellion. How does that make him a legit king? | ||
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haitike
Spain2739 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On June 24 2015 19:53 freelander wrote: Brienne has never been very bright. Actually how legit of a king Robert was? He took the throne in a rebellion. How does that make him a legit king? That's what Renly says, basically. It's a conflict between, should we follow the legit rules of succession now that the "Baratheon dynasty" has begun, like Stannis says, or has it been established that this doesn't really matter anymore, seeing as Robert was far from being a legitimate heir to Aerys? Baratheons do have a tenuous link to Targaryens, as they were basically an upstart aided by Aegon I, and have some Targaryen blood. Whether Robert actually should have been king is a different question I guess, suffice to say, Rhaegar probably would have done a better job. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On June 24 2015 20:00 haitike wrote: Because the Baratheon house is the most legit house after Targaryan. Baratheon is not one of the seven kingdoms house previous to Targaryan. Baratheon derived from Targaryan house (From a Targaryan bastard half-brother of a Targaryan King) so they have Targaryan blood and they are more legit that other houses. If you would actually believe that logic, then Stannis has been the rightful king all along, and Robert should have never been king in the first place. The whole argument is silly. The show proves quite nicely that royalty is only an excuse to keep one family in power. If that family loses power, the throne is up for grabs for whoever else has the most power to take it. Nothing else truly matters, especially not who the "rightful" king is. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5838 Posts
On June 24 2015 20:42 Conti wrote: If you would actually believe that logic, then Stannis has been the rightful king all along, and Robert should have never been king in the first place. The whole argument is silly. The show proves quite nicely that royalty is only an excuse to keep one family in power. If that family loses power, the throne is up for grabs for whoever else has the most power to take it. Nothing else truly matters, especially not who the "rightful" king is. How so? | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
Because if the Baratheons were the rightful family to provide the king, then, obviously, it should be the oldest son, right? Which is Stannis, not Robert. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On June 24 2015 21:32 Conti wrote: Because if the Baratheons were the rightful family to provide the king, then, obviously, it should be the oldest son, right? Which is Stannis, not Robert. That is incorrect | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
Derp. You're right, and I have no idea what I was thinking there. I blame Stannis.  | ||
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haitike
Spain2739 Posts
On June 24 2015 21:23 zatic wrote: OK enough book talk, bans be handed out from now on. It is not book talk. It is said in the TV series that Baratheon is a house with Targaryan blood. If there is not a Targaryan in Westeros, Baratheon is the only blood-related with them, and the most legit. And furthermore Robert was the military leader of the rebellion, so it was the obvious chose. (And, what other house would rule after the rebellion instead? Lanister killed the king, they had bad image for ruling.) | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On June 24 2015 22:13 Conti wrote: Derp. You're right, and I have no idea what I was thinking there. I blame Stannis. Haha np, Stannis' actor is older than Robert's actor too :D | ||
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brian
United States9642 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
On June 24 2015 22:16 haitike wrote: It is not book talk. It is said in the TV series that Baratheon is a house with Targaryan blood. Feel free to PM me where exactly that is mentioned. Until then this is considered book talk and banned from this thread. | ||
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B.I.G.
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And as such a prediction for next season: Melisandre is gonna revive Jon Snow, releasing him from his Night Watch vow, claim that his mom was someone super legit and he dubs him self Jon Stark and takes the realm with an army of white walkers. | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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aseq
Netherlands4009 Posts
On June 24 2015 23:22 shin_toss wrote: Wait.. Stannis is older than Robert? lol all this time I thought Robert was oldest thats why he is king . ahh the . ahh means you did catch the reply? Robert is the eldest. While Jon may not die yet, I don't think he's going to fight on the side of the walkers. While that was indeed an earlier thought of mine too (A song of ice and fire - Jon vs Dany), I think mankind will need all the help it can get. Why can't Jon ally with Dany later on and fight the Whites together? He can ride Rhaegal or Viserion (and who will be the 3rd rider?). | ||
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