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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3340 Posts
February 26 2025 18:20 GMT
#2
Prediction Classic "upsets" Maru.

HerO wins the tournament and becomes the hottest player.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1455 Posts
February 27 2025 05:46 GMT
#3
These groups are insanely stacked, especially group D catches my eye. It won't be easy for even Maru to get out. I'm a bit sad though Serral got seemingly the easiest group would have loved to see him against some of these other guys a little bit more.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3220 Posts
February 27 2025 08:29 GMT
#4
Maru will be eliminated if he play half-ass with completely predictable and outdated build.
mugandauganda
Profile Joined February 2025
2 Posts
February 28 2025 06:32 GMT
#5
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mugandauganda
Profile Joined February 2025
2 Posts
February 28 2025 06:39 GMT
#6
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Ch3rry
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland219 Posts
February 28 2025 07:06 GMT
#7
Should we call it first "upset" to have two Zergs advance from group one? Serral was obvious choice, but other Zerg players had hard time recently.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3220 Posts
February 28 2025 07:47 GMT
#8
Not really an upset, I think Shin is better than Cure at the moment, hes just a bit inconsistent and has high tendency to go YOLO with banes.
And the rest of top Zerg players arent practicing/playing hard like Solar, Rogue and Dark, with Reynor has been gone as well.
99okhaus
Profile Joined March 2025
1 Post
March 01 2025 11:54 GMT
#9
99OK
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24378 Posts
March 02 2025 17:57 GMT
#10
On February 27 2025 17:29 tigera6 wrote:
Maru will be eliminated if he play half-ass with completely predictable and outdated build.

This aged well, it really did
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1102 Posts
March 02 2025 19:16 GMT
#11
This might be the first time since 2018 that Maru clearly dropped out of the Top 5 in the world, maybe even the Top 10. Yes, for now it is just a moment in time, but still...what a change
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12761 Posts
March 02 2025 20:43 GMT
#12
On March 03 2025 04:16 Balnazza wrote:
This might be the first time since 2018 that Maru clearly dropped out of the Top 5 in the world, maybe even the Top 10. Yes, for now it is just a moment in time, but still...what a change

I mean there is no big tournament in sight, I wonder if he has something already planned for his future
WriterMaru
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1455 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-02 21:02:42
March 02 2025 20:56 GMT
#13
On March 03 2025 04:16 Balnazza wrote:
This might be the first time since 2018 that Maru clearly dropped out of the Top 5 in the world, maybe even the Top 10. Yes, for now it is just a moment in time, but still...what a change

aligulac still has him at #5. I think it takes a bit more than one bad tournament to say this. Clem lost to zoun, is he not top 5 anymore either? what would u be saying if it was maru who lost to zoun? you'd probably be even harder on him. and It's not like Maru got easy opponents. Anyone could lose to dark/classic.

I think its easy to be critical of maru's level because he used to beat everyone and that isn't the case anymore, but saying he isn't a top player might be jumping the gun. Lets see how the rest of 2025 develops.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24378 Posts
March 02 2025 21:11 GMT
#14
On March 03 2025 05:56 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2025 04:16 Balnazza wrote:
This might be the first time since 2018 that Maru clearly dropped out of the Top 5 in the world, maybe even the Top 10. Yes, for now it is just a moment in time, but still...what a change

aligulac still has him at #5. I think it takes a bit more than one bad tournament to say this. Clem lost to zoun, is he not top 5 anymore either? and It's not like Maru got easy opponents either. Anyone could lose to dark/classic.

He hasn’t done anything in months, he doesn’t play weeklies, in the two tournaments he has played he’s bombed out in round 1.

It’s extremely hard to make a case for Maru being in better shape than any of Serral/Clem/herO/MaxPax, so absolutely best case scenario he’s at #5 and I don’t think he’s even there currently.

Hey, guy’s been a top player for over a decade, he’s got injury issues. He’s shown unbelievable StarCraft on many an occasion.

He’s not currently
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1455 Posts
March 02 2025 21:52 GMT
#15
On March 03 2025 06:11 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2025 05:56 CicadaSC wrote:
On March 03 2025 04:16 Balnazza wrote:
This might be the first time since 2018 that Maru clearly dropped out of the Top 5 in the world, maybe even the Top 10. Yes, for now it is just a moment in time, but still...what a change

aligulac still has him at #5. I think it takes a bit more than one bad tournament to say this. Clem lost to zoun, is he not top 5 anymore either? and It's not like Maru got easy opponents either. Anyone could lose to dark/classic.

He hasn’t done anything in months

well there is your answer. he hasnt played anything in months so it hard to write him off in good faith. you are filling in a lot of blanks on your own.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1102 Posts
March 02 2025 22:21 GMT
#16
On March 03 2025 06:52 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2025 06:11 WombaT wrote:
On March 03 2025 05:56 CicadaSC wrote:
On March 03 2025 04:16 Balnazza wrote:
This might be the first time since 2018 that Maru clearly dropped out of the Top 5 in the world, maybe even the Top 10. Yes, for now it is just a moment in time, but still...what a change

aligulac still has him at #5. I think it takes a bit more than one bad tournament to say this. Clem lost to zoun, is he not top 5 anymore either? and It's not like Maru got easy opponents either. Anyone could lose to dark/classic.

He hasn’t done anything in months

well there is your answer. he hasnt played anything in months so it hard to write him off in good faith. you are filling in a lot of blanks on your own.


Maru bombed out of the last two tournaments he played (winning only one map in five Bo3s), he missed the Top 3 at Homestory Cup and also missed the Top 4 at EWC. And he didn't other to show up to any other tournament in between.
Sorry, but he clearly is not in the Top 5 right now. "Not playing" does not save your place in the ranking for all time.
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1455 Posts
March 03 2025 01:36 GMT
#17
On March 03 2025 07:21 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2025 06:52 CicadaSC wrote:
On March 03 2025 06:11 WombaT wrote:
On March 03 2025 05:56 CicadaSC wrote:
On March 03 2025 04:16 Balnazza wrote:
This might be the first time since 2018 that Maru clearly dropped out of the Top 5 in the world, maybe even the Top 10. Yes, for now it is just a moment in time, but still...what a change

aligulac still has him at #5. I think it takes a bit more than one bad tournament to say this. Clem lost to zoun, is he not top 5 anymore either? and It's not like Maru got easy opponents either. Anyone could lose to dark/classic.

He hasn’t done anything in months

well there is your answer. he hasnt played anything in months so it hard to write him off in good faith. you are filling in a lot of blanks on your own.


Maru bombed out of the last two tournaments he played

Maru also known to have shoulder issues or be better offline than on ping. And still he is rated top 5 on aligulac. That gives u a much more nuanced approach.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1102 Posts
March 03 2025 02:10 GMT
#18
On March 03 2025 10:36 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2025 07:21 Balnazza wrote:
On March 03 2025 06:52 CicadaSC wrote:
On March 03 2025 06:11 WombaT wrote:
On March 03 2025 05:56 CicadaSC wrote:
On March 03 2025 04:16 Balnazza wrote:
This might be the first time since 2018 that Maru clearly dropped out of the Top 5 in the world, maybe even the Top 10. Yes, for now it is just a moment in time, but still...what a change

aligulac still has him at #5. I think it takes a bit more than one bad tournament to say this. Clem lost to zoun, is he not top 5 anymore either? and It's not like Maru got easy opponents either. Anyone could lose to dark/classic.

He hasn’t done anything in months

well there is your answer. he hasnt played anything in months so it hard to write him off in good faith. you are filling in a lot of blanks on your own.


Maru bombed out of the last two tournaments he played

Maru also known to have shoulder issues or be better offline than on ping. And still he is rated top 5 on aligulac. That gives u a much more nuanced approach.


Yes, it gives the nuance that he hasn't yet lost more points to point decay :| Because he is clearly not earning any more points right now
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3220 Posts
March 03 2025 03:14 GMT
#19
Why should Maru be top 5 if hes not playing like one? Having said that, I think he can get back to top form if he care enough and start spending time making adjustment for the current eta. The problem with him has been using very predictable build and timing in early mid-game, and the opponent just hard counter that to hell, then he could never comeback from lategame given how Terran has been nerfed in recent patches.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24378 Posts
March 03 2025 06:12 GMT
#20
On March 03 2025 06:52 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2025 06:11 WombaT wrote:
On March 03 2025 05:56 CicadaSC wrote:
On March 03 2025 04:16 Balnazza wrote:
This might be the first time since 2018 that Maru clearly dropped out of the Top 5 in the world, maybe even the Top 10. Yes, for now it is just a moment in time, but still...what a change

aligulac still has him at #5. I think it takes a bit more than one bad tournament to say this. Clem lost to zoun, is he not top 5 anymore either? and It's not like Maru got easy opponents either. Anyone could lose to dark/classic.

He hasn’t done anything in months

well there is your answer. he hasnt played anything in months so it hard to write him off in good faith. you are filling in a lot of blanks on your own.

You’re the one filling in blanks as I never wrote Maru off? :S

He’s lost his last 7 series, including one to Lancer and hasn’t played much tournament StarCraft. Doesn’t matter who you are, that’s not top 5 in the world form.

On March 03 2025 10:36 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2025 07:21 Balnazza wrote:
On March 03 2025 06:52 CicadaSC wrote:
On March 03 2025 06:11 WombaT wrote:
On March 03 2025 05:56 CicadaSC wrote:
On March 03 2025 04:16 Balnazza wrote:
This might be the first time since 2018 that Maru clearly dropped out of the Top 5 in the world, maybe even the Top 10. Yes, for now it is just a moment in time, but still...what a change

aligulac still has him at #5. I think it takes a bit more than one bad tournament to say this. Clem lost to zoun, is he not top 5 anymore either? and It's not like Maru got easy opponents either. Anyone could lose to dark/classic.

He hasn’t done anything in months

well there is your answer. he hasnt played anything in months so it hard to write him off in good faith. you are filling in a lot of blanks on your own.


Maru bombed out of the last two tournaments he played

Maru also known to have shoulder issues or be better offline than on ping. And still he is rated top 5 on aligulac. That gives u a much more nuanced approach.

I’m not even sure if this is actually true given Maru was extremely strong in the Covid era.

I’m sure he’ll be back in form at some stage, or alternatively just actually retiring depending on further scene announcements. I can’t see him grinding with his injury issues if potential paydays aren’t there.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3340 Posts
March 03 2025 08:30 GMT
#21
Gumi did beat maru at hsc, so there's a case for placing him as the best k terran, but I'd be surprised if it stays like this.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
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