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On June 23 2015 08:50 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
And still I feel like that story of Stannis was horribly written, in the begining of this season he was one of the favorites to claim the iron throne (with cash and support from iron bank, with army, melisandre and possible support of north/jon snow) and than all of sudden he lost everything, and possibly even died from Brienne (which is still uncertain), that's so stupid.
The other horrible part of this season was Dorn plotline.
I don't have a problem with Stannis' story. He took out a loan, churned out a large army and had some Blitzkrieg success north of the Wall. Then he got greedy and stubborn, made some leadership mistakes and got Russian wintered. Nothing wrong with that.
I agree with Dorne though, everything about it was terrible except the boobies.
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Just realized Davos is going to be the one paying the price for Stannis not paying his loan huh?
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Not a big difference between Davos and Stannis, both lost everything with a single possible exception that Davos is alive for sure. Although Davos is like the kindest person in entire westeros, he does everything he has to do, he's rly good.
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On June 23 2015 16:58 GreenHorizons wrote:
Just realized Davos is going to be the one paying the price for Stannis not paying his loan huh?
I don't think so, the bank could take the land.
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On June 23 2015 20:02 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Not a big difference between Davos and Stannis, both lost everything with a single possible exception that Davos is alive for sure. Although Davos is like the kindest person in entire westeros, he does everything he has to do, he's rly good.
will he take the black ? Not sure that he can fight tho
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Why would he take the black?
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On June 23 2015 23:15 KOFgokuon wrote:
Why would he take the black?
Ya I don't think he would as well. I mean I'm pretty sure he respected Jon Snow a great deal but after what just happened at the wall, I doubt he would mingle with those traitorous sons of bitches.
+ Show Spoiler +I'm still really sad Jon died 
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On June 23 2015 23:15 KOFgokuon wrote:
Why would he take the black?
Well, he's at the wall now, and his whole world just collapsed , seems like a logic step. Beside that, I doubt boltons/lannisters will let the former hand of stannis live happily ever after with his family
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On June 23 2015 21:21 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 20:02 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Not a big difference between Davos and Stannis, both lost everything with a single possible exception that Davos is alive for sure. Although Davos is like the kindest person in entire westeros, he does everything he has to do, he's rly good. will he take the black ? Not sure that he can fight tho
he managed to survive almost longer than anyone left in our story, i assume he knows how to fight :D on the other hand there is no point in taking black.
Btw that's a great question about Davos, there are no obvious ways for him.
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On June 23 2015 11:13 Black Gun wrote:ok, fair enough, thats the exception to my episode 10 rule.  Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 20:11 marttorn wrote:On June 22 2015 17:51 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On June 22 2015 17:44 Yoav wrote:On June 22 2015 17:15 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On June 22 2015 17:13 zatic wrote:On June 21 2015 09:30 Black Gun wrote:
b) all major deaths so far have occurred in episodes between 2-9, never in episode 10. Tywin? Khal Drogo? Drogo wasn't a major plot character. Wtf lol. Pretty sure the Dothraki are gonna be pretty damn important... heck, they already have been for giving Dany her initial base of support. And it's likely they end up as the bulk of her army. Dothraki and Drogo had literally 0 influence on what happened during the show, the only exception was Dany and her mad bro. Probably the same thing could happen with other Khal and Dany. You can't even make a fair comparison of Tywin with Drogo. Insofar as you consider Dany's plotline to be unimportant, yah Drogo is not major or important. If you realize that Drogo is the only reason Dany is where she is, including dragons (who wouldn't be hatched if Drogo hadn't been at the same pyre as the eggs, when dany walked in), Jorah, Viserys being dead, her bloodriders, unsullied, taking astapor, etc etc etc, Drogo is a pretty important catalyst for all that. Also, don't forget that it was Drogo's baby and Robert's desire to kill it that led to Ned resigning as hand, I wouldn't call that zero influence. The wine dude wouldn't have tried to poison dany hadn't it been for Robert's kill order, and if that hadn't happened, Jorah might be more easily forgiven by Dany, seeing as no assassins actually seemed to manifest as a result of his spying. Also needs to be considered that the entire reason Drogo went for Dany was to fulfill the prophecy of the Stallion Who Mounts the World, something a lesser Khal might not be as concerned by. Hell, if Drogo's khalasar hadn't been the greatest in the world, they might have been overtaken by a bigger one, and dany would be raped/killed/left with the Dosh Khaleen --> no dragons, no meereen, etc etc. edit: oh yeah, Dany's dragons has also created an upsurge in magic across the world. Hence, Wildfire being produced at an incredible rate, Mel's shadow assassins, Beric Dondarrion gets ressed 7 times, so Drogo is partially responsible for that, too. drogo is exactly what you say: a catalyst for the development of others, not a major character. hadnt jon arryn found out about joffrey being a child of incest, nothing in the whole story would have happened. using your arguments, jon arryn therefore has to be the most important character in the books/the show. see how that doesnt make sense? a major character is a major character because he plays a major role in the story as it is presented to us, the readers/viewers. being important for the progress of the storyline is not the same as being a major character. please dont misunderstand me: I am not saying that drogo was an unimportant or minor character, but he wasnt a major one either.
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I think it's weird you guys are talking about "major" and "minor" characters. Anyone whose perspective we've followed is a main character, up until they died. Everyone else is varying degrees of supporting or reoccurring characters. Littlefinger and Varys are almost the definition of supporting characters, lol
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Can we like, stop talking about book stuff in here please?
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Stannis strat is like an immortal all in but got scouted, and proxy pylons getting picked. He went back to his nat to recover but Zerg boltons outman and outmacroed him because he Stannis already missed the timings, in the ennd he pushed anyway with 1 immortal 4 sentries . rekt
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On June 24 2015 10:22 shin_toss wrote:
Stannis strat is like an immortal all in but got scouted, and proxy pylons getting picked. He went back to his nat to recover but Zerg boltons outman and outmacroed him because he Stannis already missed the timings, in the ennd he pushed anyway with 1 immortal 4 sentries . rekt
He didn't even go back to his nat. He just tried to ask for reinforcements but all he had there were neutral creatures and base defenses.
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So Brienne is officially an oathbreaker and technically a Kingslayer. And unlike Jaime she did it for selfish reasons.
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On June 24 2015 12:30 EnumaAvalon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 10:22 shin_toss wrote:
Stannis strat is like an immortal all in but got scouted, and proxy pylons getting picked. He went back to his nat to recover but Zerg boltons outman and outmacroed him because he Stannis already missed the timings, in the ennd he pushed anyway with 1 immortal 4 sentries . rekt He didn't even go back to his nat. He just tried to ask for reinforcements but all he had there were neutral creatures and base defenses.
I considered Castle Black as his nat. since they camped there after the Wilding battle hehe
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 24 2015 14:26 shin_toss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 12:30 EnumaAvalon wrote:On June 24 2015 10:22 shin_toss wrote:
Stannis strat is like an immortal all in but got scouted, and proxy pylons getting picked. He went back to his nat to recover but Zerg boltons outman and outmacroed him because he Stannis already missed the timings, in the ennd he pushed anyway with 1 immortal 4 sentries . rekt He didn't even go back to his nat. He just tried to ask for reinforcements but all he had there were neutral creatures and base defenses. I considered Castle Black as his nat. since they camped there after the Wilding battle hehe
A better analogy is that he thought he was playing 2v2 with the Nights Watch, but really it was an FFA.
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On June 24 2015 14:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:
So Brienne is officially an oathbreaker and technically a Kingslayer. And unlike Jaime she did it for selfish reasons.
Why selfish reasons? She killed Stannis for murdering Renly, the man she was sworn to protect. Nothing selfish about it.
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On June 24 2015 15:56 Scorch wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 14:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:
So Brienne is officially an oathbreaker and technically a Kingslayer. And unlike Jaime she did it for selfish reasons. Why selfish reasons? She killed Stannis for murdering Renly, the man she was sworn to protect. Nothing selfish about it.
the man she loved*
I don't think swearing to protect someone includes killing their killers if you fail, but that's debatable.
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I don't know if your liege's death releases you from your vow. Anyway, it wasn't about an oath or revenge. Instead, she considered it a lawful execution because in her eyes, actually Stannis was the kingslayer: "In the name of Renly Baratheon, rightful king of blah blah, I sentence you to die."
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