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On June 22 2015 17:44 Yoav wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 17:15 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On June 22 2015 17:13 zatic wrote:On June 21 2015 09:30 Black Gun wrote:
b) all major deaths so far have occurred in episodes between 2-9, never in episode 10. Tywin? Khal Drogo? Drogo wasn't a major plot character. Wtf lol. Pretty sure the Dothraki are gonna be pretty damn important... heck, they already have been for giving Dany her initial base of support. And it's likely they end up as the bulk of her army.
Dothraki and Drogo had literally 0 influence on what happened during the show, the only exception was Dany and her mad bro. Probably the same thing could happen with other Khal and Dany. You can't even make a fair comparison of Tywin with Drogo.
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On June 22 2015 17:51 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 17:44 Yoav wrote:On June 22 2015 17:15 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On June 22 2015 17:13 zatic wrote:On June 21 2015 09:30 Black Gun wrote:
b) all major deaths so far have occurred in episodes between 2-9, never in episode 10. Tywin? Khal Drogo? Drogo wasn't a major plot character. Wtf lol. Pretty sure the Dothraki are gonna be pretty damn important... heck, they already have been for giving Dany her initial base of support. And it's likely they end up as the bulk of her army. Dothraki and Drogo had literally 0 influence on what happened during the show, the only exception was Dany and her mad bro. Probably the same thing could happen with other Khal and Dany. You can't even make a fair comparison of Tywin with Drogo.
0 influence except being the third most important person in the Dany plot besides Dany and Jorah. NBD.
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On June 22 2015 17:15 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 17:13 zatic wrote:On June 21 2015 09:30 Black Gun wrote:
b) all major deaths so far have occurred in episodes between 2-9, never in episode 10. Tywin? Khal Drogo? Drogo wasn't a major plot character.
YOU TAKE THAT BACK !
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D: so next ep is the one where we get to kill Drogo?
D: yes, looking forward to it, actually, dude gets so aggressive all the time
D: but we can't, next week is ep 10, we can't kill major characters then!
D: shit! what are we going to do?
D: np, i'll just move him to the list of minor characters. commence the killing.
I like the way people think they must be able to find patterns in anything. Of course there is no ep10 rule.
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On June 22 2015 18:11 oGoZenob wrote:
jason ?
Sorry, the actor that plays Drogo is called Jason Momoa.
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On June 22 2015 18:35 aseq wrote:Sorry, the actor that plays Drogo is called Jason Momoa.
oh ok, i thought you where talking about jon snow somehow, so it was a weird typo ^^
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On June 22 2015 17:51 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 17:44 Yoav wrote:On June 22 2015 17:15 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On June 22 2015 17:13 zatic wrote:On June 21 2015 09:30 Black Gun wrote:
b) all major deaths so far have occurred in episodes between 2-9, never in episode 10. Tywin? Khal Drogo? Drogo wasn't a major plot character. Wtf lol. Pretty sure the Dothraki are gonna be pretty damn important... heck, they already have been for giving Dany her initial base of support. And it's likely they end up as the bulk of her army. Dothraki and Drogo had literally 0 influence on what happened during the show, the only exception was Dany and her mad bro. Probably the same thing could happen with other Khal and Dany. You can't even make a fair comparison of Tywin with Drogo.
Insofar as you consider Dany's plotline to be unimportant, yah Drogo is not major or important. If you realize that Drogo is the only reason Dany is where she is, including dragons (who wouldn't be hatched if Drogo hadn't been at the same pyre as the eggs, when dany walked in), Jorah, Viserys being dead, her bloodriders, unsullied, taking astapor, etc etc etc, Drogo is a pretty important catalyst for all that.
Also, don't forget that it was Drogo's baby and Robert's desire to kill it that led to Ned resigning as hand, I wouldn't call that zero influence. The wine dude wouldn't have tried to poison dany hadn't it been for Robert's kill order, and if that hadn't happened, Jorah might be more easily forgiven by Dany, seeing as no assassins actually seemed to manifest as a result of his spying.
Also needs to be considered that the entire reason Drogo went for Dany was to fulfill the prophecy of the Stallion Who Mounts the World, something a lesser Khal might not be as concerned by. Hell, if Drogo's khalasar hadn't been the greatest in the world, they might have been overtaken by a bigger one, and dany would be raped/killed/left with the Dosh Khaleen --> no dragons, no meereen, etc etc.
edit: oh yeah, Dany's dragons has also created an upsurge in magic across the world. Hence, Wildfire being produced at an incredible rate, Mel's shadow assassins, Beric Dondarrion gets ressed 7 times, so Drogo is partially responsible for that, too.
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On June 22 2015 17:51 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 17:44 Yoav wrote:On June 22 2015 17:15 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On June 22 2015 17:13 zatic wrote:On June 21 2015 09:30 Black Gun wrote:
b) all major deaths so far have occurred in episodes between 2-9, never in episode 10. Tywin? Khal Drogo? Drogo wasn't a major plot character. Wtf lol. Pretty sure the Dothraki are gonna be pretty damn important... heck, they already have been for giving Dany her initial base of support. And it's likely they end up as the bulk of her army. Dothraki and Drogo had literally 0 influence on what happened during the show, the only exception was Dany and her mad bro. Probably the same thing could happen with other Khal and Dany. You can't even make a fair comparison of Tywin with Drogo.
Which is why they bothered casting an A-level actor and giving him significant screentime during season 1. Don't mistake him being dead in subsequent 4 seasons for him being a minor character IN season 1. Ned wasn't a minor character, and neither was Drogo.
Was Drogo's death more important than his life? In the long view of things, yes: his death showed (the viewers) that prophecy is not set in stone. It was the first time that this fantasy trope was thoroughly demolished: GRRM set up the Stallion who Mounts the World with significant plot armor, just to kill him a couple of episodes (hundred pages) later. I can't think of another prophecy that has been turned upside down so thoroughly yet, but the one to Cersei by Maggy the Frog is on its way. You could say that it is self-fulfilling: it is because she believes in the prophecy that she acts the way she does, and has probably led to both Tommen and Myrcella's deaths, as well as her own plight. But I digress, the second major event occurring as a direct result of Drogo's death was the rebirth of dragons. And finally, his death led to the Khalasar falling apart and abandoning Dany in the middle of nowhere.
However, for Drogo's death to be as impactful as it was, it had to be set up by a significant role during life. So saying Drogo was a minor character is doing extreme injustice to the plot.
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Drogo wasn't a main character, but I wouldn't call him minor either. He was just as important as, say, Catelyn Stark, Varys, Bronn, The Hound or Ramsay Snow.
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The reason why I say so simply cause everyone who got no POV is not the main character. Others doesn't matter, they may play their huge role in the story but it does not make them one of the main characters.
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On June 22 2015 22:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
The reason why I say so simply cause everyone who got no POV is not the main character. Others doesn't matter, they may play their huge role in the story but it does not make them one of the main characters.
That.. makes no sense. And it makes even less sense with this being the show thread, not the book thread.
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yea. will agree, that is a horrible rationale for major characters. ironic choice of picture.
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On June 22 2015 22:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:The reason why I say so simply cause everyone who got no POV is not the main character. Others doesn't matter, they may play their huge role in the story but it does not make them one of the main characters.
Stannis has no POV, Tywin has no POV, Rob has no POV, the list goes on and on and on.
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Ya, you said he wasn't a "major plot character". If you meant POV, you should have said POV.
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Drogo was basically a jobber. His entire purpose was to put Dany over and get her campaign rolling.
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And still I feel like that story of Stannis was horribly written, in the begining of this season he was one of the favorites to claim the iron throne (with cash and support from iron bank, with army, melisandre and possible support of north/jon snow) and than all of sudden he lost everything, and possibly even died from Brienne (which is still uncertain), that's so stupid.
The other horrible part of this season was Dorn plotline.
Probably the worst season so far
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On June 22 2015 17:56 ShiaoPi wrote:
so how about tywin? :>
ok, fair enough, thats the exception to my episode 10 rule. 
On June 22 2015 20:11 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 17:51 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On June 22 2015 17:44 Yoav wrote:On June 22 2015 17:15 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On June 22 2015 17:13 zatic wrote:On June 21 2015 09:30 Black Gun wrote:
b) all major deaths so far have occurred in episodes between 2-9, never in episode 10. Tywin? Khal Drogo? Drogo wasn't a major plot character. Wtf lol. Pretty sure the Dothraki are gonna be pretty damn important... heck, they already have been for giving Dany her initial base of support. And it's likely they end up as the bulk of her army. Dothraki and Drogo had literally 0 influence on what happened during the show, the only exception was Dany and her mad bro. Probably the same thing could happen with other Khal and Dany. You can't even make a fair comparison of Tywin with Drogo. Insofar as you consider Dany's plotline to be unimportant, yah Drogo is not major or important. If you realize that Drogo is the only reason Dany is where she is, including dragons (who wouldn't be hatched if Drogo hadn't been at the same pyre as the eggs, when dany walked in), Jorah, Viserys being dead, her bloodriders, unsullied, taking astapor, etc etc etc, Drogo is a pretty important catalyst for all that. Also, don't forget that it was Drogo's baby and Robert's desire to kill it that led to Ned resigning as hand, I wouldn't call that zero influence. The wine dude wouldn't have tried to poison dany hadn't it been for Robert's kill order, and if that hadn't happened, Jorah might be more easily forgiven by Dany, seeing as no assassins actually seemed to manifest as a result of his spying. Also needs to be considered that the entire reason Drogo went for Dany was to fulfill the prophecy of the Stallion Who Mounts the World, something a lesser Khal might not be as concerned by. Hell, if Drogo's khalasar hadn't been the greatest in the world, they might have been overtaken by a bigger one, and dany would be raped/killed/left with the Dosh Khaleen --> no dragons, no meereen, etc etc. edit: oh yeah, Dany's dragons has also created an upsurge in magic across the world. Hence, Wildfire being produced at an incredible rate, Mel's shadow assassins, Beric Dondarrion gets ressed 7 times, so Drogo is partially responsible for that, too.
drogo is exactly what you say: a catalyst for the development of others, not a major character.
hadnt jon arryn found out about joffrey being a child of incest, nothing in the whole story would have happened. using your arguments, jon arryn therefore has to be the most important character in the books/the show. see how that doesnt make sense? a major character is a major character because he plays a major role in the story as it is presented to us, the readers/viewers. being important for the progress of the storyline is not the same as being a major character.
please dont misunderstand me: I am not saying that drogo was an unimportant or minor character, but he wasnt a major one either.
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