Played twice, 1st game stopped due to technical problems with sKyHigh's PC; a rematch was declared and PC replaced. Thanks to translators yoonyoon, CanucksJC, and others
Midas wears baseball glove on keyboard hand. Sea wears goalie glove on mouse hand. Anytime wears scream mask and bo peep paw on mouse hand. Calm wears masquerade and hook but CHEATS.
On October 21 2010 07:08 Simplistik wrote: This thread contains major Proleague spoilers. And just by the way...
There's the spoilers. Also, I'm kind of annoyed by the fact that SKT is beneath Stars and STX just because they happened to start off by playing KT instead of a team like Khan.
This thread and the community are still awesome. Now we only need analysts and writeups to give this season the hype it deserves. Anyone feeling up to the task?
On October 21 2010 09:53 mustaju wrote: This thread and the community are still awesome. Now we only need analysts and writeups to give this season the hype it deserves. Anyone feeling up to the task?
I made mine, and there's one for Woongjin. Some of you should add your own, it's always enjoyable to read them if only to laugh at faulty logic.
Not much to cheer about for an OZ fan, I felt killer was looking good but in the end he lost both of his games. If he keeps playing well he'll pick up a few wins. But we need him to win in the same match as Hiya and Jaedong just to force and ace. Its looking grim.
Not a whole lot of hope elsewhere. I missed Perfectmans win I just turned off when I saw him come out and the score 3:1 asuming we lost 4:1. Don't have a whole lot of faith in him repeating this and clearly niether do OZ since the new guy Sky has been chosen over him twice. Sky didn't look completely aweful but he lost both his games. Where did he come from is he a pick up from another team?
On October 21 2010 09:53 mustaju wrote: This thread and the community are still awesome. Now we only need analysts and writeups to give this season the hype it deserves. Anyone feeling up to the task?
I made mine, and there's one for Woongjin. Some of you should add your own, it's always enjoyable to read them if only to laugh at faulty logic.
I meant actual analysis the way we used to have it, in the ol' days where MBS was being scoffed at universally and the reason people came to TL wasn't because they could discuss the most recent day9 daily, or how race X is overpowered, or how kewl the latest Fruitdealer/IdrA/HuK music video is. I'm talking about the days where flamewheel and Heyoka wrote Battle Reports! (EDIT: I'm new, don't be too hard on me. They were a great read whoever wrote them. The articles accompanying them were beyond awesome as well.) Predictions! Indepth analysis of the maps/matchups/teams&performances! I'm a lowly subD- noob, and god how I miss all of that. Not even a liquibet or fantasy Pro League. I understand a lot of mods and writers have lots of stuff to do with the mindbogglingly large amount of SC2 tournaments and accommodating all the new members and swinging the banhammer. I can't blame them. What I can do, is request that someone who feels the same emptiness hanging over this community to try writing about the glorious start this season has had. Low standards is better than nothing whatsoever, and I bet a lot of the remaining BW community have something to say.
On October 21 2010 09:53 mustaju wrote: This thread and the community are still awesome. Now we only need analysts and writeups to give this season the hype it deserves. Anyone feeling up to the task?
I made mine, and there's one for Woongjin. Some of you should add your own, it's always enjoyable to read them if only to laugh at faulty logic.
I meant actual analysis the way we used to have it, in the ol' days where MBS was being scoffed at universally and the reason people came to TL wasn't because they could discuss the most recent day9 daily, or how race X is overpowered, or how kewl the latest Fruitdealer/IdrA/HuK music video is. I'm talking about the days where flamewheel and Heyoka wrote Battle Reports! (Yeah, I'm recent, sue me.) Predictions! Indepth analysis of the maps/matchups/teams&performances! I'm a lowly subD- noob, and god how I miss all of that. Not even a liquibet or fantasy Pro League. I understand a lot of mods and writers have lots of stuff to do with the mindbogglingly large amount of SC2 tournaments and accommodating all the new members and swinging the banhammer. I can't blame them. What I can do, is request that someone who feels the same emptiness hanging over this community to try writing about the glorious start this season has had. Low standards is better than nothing whatsoever, and I bet a lot of the remaining BW community have something to say.
of course it is my (and probably everyone's) wet dream to be part of proleague writing team,
But TL is probably forming a new team as I am typing this so there is no need to worry.
On October 21 2010 10:07 Greg_J wrote: Not much to cheer about for an OZ fan, I felt killer was looking good but in the end he lost both of his games. If he keeps playing well he'll pick up a few wins. But we need him to win in the same match as Hiya and Jaedong just to force and ace. Its looking grim.
Not a whole lot of hope elsewhere. I missed Perfectmans win I just turned off when I saw him come out and the score 3:1 asuming we lost 4:1. Don't have a whole lot of faith in him repeating this and clearly niether do OZ since the new guy Sky has been chosen over him twice. Sky didn't look completely aweful but he lost both his games. Where did he come from is he a pick up from another team?
Maybe the new coach will give Bee and Sky more chances so they can perform decently? Even though both lost their matches, in the STX Masters and recently in proleague, I wouldn't put it past them to start performing. Same with BackHo.
On October 21 2010 09:53 mustaju wrote: This thread and the community are still awesome. Now we only need analysts and writeups to give this season the hype it deserves. Anyone feeling up to the task?
I made mine, and there's one for Woongjin. Some of you should add your own, it's always enjoyable to read them if only to laugh at faulty logic.
I meant actual analysis the way we used to have it, in the ol' days where MBS was being scoffed at universally and the reason people came to TL wasn't because they could discuss the most recent day9 daily, or how race X is overpowered, or how kewl the latest Fruitdealer/IdrA/HuK music video is. I'm talking about the days where flamewheel and Heyoka wrote Battle Reports! (Yeah, I'm recent, sue me.) Predictions! Indepth analysis of the maps/matchups/teams&performances! I'm a lowly subD- noob, and god how I miss all of that. Not even a liquibet or fantasy Pro League. I understand a lot of mods and writers have lots of stuff to do with the mindbogglingly large amount of SC2 tournaments and accommodating all the new members and swinging the banhammer. I can't blame them. What I can do, is request that someone who feels the same emptiness hanging over this community to try writing about the glorious start this season has had. Low standards is better than nothing whatsoever, and I bet a lot of the remaining BW community have something to say.
of course it is my (and probably everyone's) wet dream to be part of proleague writing team,
But TL is probably forming a new team as I am typing this so there is no need to worry.
Wouldn't put it past them. :D Still, even if it were true, multiple analysts only benefit the BW scene, no? I personally would love some non-official writers. Especially in this ominous silence.
On October 21 2010 09:53 mustaju wrote: This thread and the community are still awesome. Now we only need analysts and writeups to give this season the hype it deserves. Anyone feeling up to the task?
I made mine, and there's one for Woongjin. Some of you should add your own, it's always enjoyable to read them if only to laugh at faulty logic.
I meant actual analysis the way we used to have it, in the ol' days where MBS was being scoffed at universally and the reason people came to TL wasn't because they could discuss the most recent day9 daily, or how race X is overpowered, or how kewl the latest Fruitdealer/IdrA/HuK music video is. I'm talking about the days where flamewheel and Heyoka wrote Battle Reports! (Yeah, I'm recent, sue me.) Predictions! Indepth analysis of the maps/matchups/teams&performances! I'm a lowly subD- noob, and god how I miss all of that. Not even a liquibet or fantasy Pro League. I understand a lot of mods and writers have lots of stuff to do with the mindbogglingly large amount of SC2 tournaments and accommodating all the new members and swinging the banhammer. I can't blame them. What I can do, is request that someone who feels the same emptiness hanging over this community to try writing about the glorious start this season has had. Low standards is better than nothing whatsoever, and I bet a lot of the remaining BW community have something to say.
of course it is my (and probably everyone's) wet dream to be part of proleague writing team,
But TL is probably forming a new team as I am typing this so there is no need to worry.
Wouldn't put it past them. :D Still, even if it were true, multiple analysts only benefit the BW scene, no? I personally would love some non-official writers. Especially in this ominous silence.
They'll probably get something done eventually. I'd write something if I found something worth writing about. Although I'm most inclined to write something about SKT being amazingly awesome, so if the opportunity arises, I'll do that.
On October 21 2010 09:53 mustaju wrote: This thread and the community are still awesome. Now we only need analysts and writeups to give this season the hype it deserves. Anyone feeling up to the task?
I made mine, and there's one for Woongjin. Some of you should add your own, it's always enjoyable to read them if only to laugh at faulty logic.
I meant actual analysis the way we used to have it, in the ol' days where MBS was being scoffed at universally and the reason people came to TL wasn't because they could discuss the most recent day9 daily, or how race X is overpowered, or how kewl the latest Fruitdealer/IdrA/HuK music video is. I'm talking about the days where flamewheel and Heyoka wrote Battle Reports! (Yeah, I'm recent, sue me.) Predictions! Indepth analysis of the maps/matchups/teams&performances! I'm a lowly subD- noob, and god how I miss all of that. Not even a liquibet or fantasy Pro League. I understand a lot of mods and writers have lots of stuff to do with the mindbogglingly large amount of SC2 tournaments and accommodating all the new members and swinging the banhammer. I can't blame them. What I can do, is request that someone who feels the same emptiness hanging over this community to try writing about the glorious start this season has had. Low standards is better than nothing whatsoever, and I bet a lot of the remaining BW community have something to say.
of course it is my (and probably everyone's) wet dream to be part of proleague writing team,
But TL is probably forming a new team as I am typing this so there is no need to worry.
I hope the news team can gather up to muster weekly reports of proleague. If they are overburdened i feel like we should find people who do it, not only for the BW community but also for all the newcomers of SC2 that might find it interesting to see from where did their game (and scene) como from.
On October 21 2010 11:21 bearbuddy wrote: One of the few times that I've liked MSL intro better than the OSL one... though effort being the posterboy for entus is lol-worthy.
You mean the MBCGame and OGN intro-s. :D Maybe someone more knowledgable can reply to this: I faintly remember some talks about an E-sport stadium. Co-incidentally, these players stand within rubble that turns into.. a stadium! Are we going to get one just as there are going to be 10 or less people watching the games?
So I'm really disappointed in Khan and Oz for losing matches they could've and should've won. Oz had a pretty good chance at winning against KT if they sent Jesus(BackHo) against Violet instead of Lomo. Although I suppose it's forgivable since no one really expected PerfectMan to win(especially not me lololol) and Jaedong wouldn't even be the favorite against Flash(although he could still win). But Khan sending Jangbi to get crushed against Sea... *sigh* It reminds me of the slump of Bisu, except without some zergs to bail him out when he can't win, further shattering his confidence.
On October 21 2010 12:50 endy wrote: Cool thread thank you. Should be stickied asap !
[R&S] threads don't normally get stickied. They are easy enough to search for and get bumped when needed.
You are right, but they are usually in the right menu, under the TLPD search form, League Standings ! That would be nice to add a link to this thread there.
god it's about time T1 to take crown once again... woongjin will fall soon or later... oz has absolutly no hope... CJ has been a league power house but their line up doesn't look so promising w/o effort... KT is the only main threat... stx probly be at top for a while but they will fall eventually lol
I might be a fanboy, but I think that SK has the best chances. Of course there are no guarantees, but a look at the top 4 players elo on the teams just says: "SK will win".
The Fanta, Best, Bisu combo will normally get two wins. So SK only needs 1 more win out of 3 games to get it to ace. Now with Kwanro in the mix the opponents team might have to prepare for three races in the ace match as well. Ouch.
KHAN and OZ just look lost I'm afraid.
I first thought hite Entus would be great, but I'm not convinced anymore. How can your best player just retire? Who's left to lead? Hite's highest ranked player is Leta at rank 14(!). The next one up is Iris, who hasn't been looking great in a long time.
STX is also in trouble I think. What happened to Calm and Hero? STX have only one player in the top 30 and Kal is hardly going to be able to carry the team alone in Bo7 matches.
Sorry folks, except KT there just isn't a credible threat. And I fancy SK's chances.
On October 22 2010 04:33 Simplistik wrote: I might be a fanboy, but I think that SK has the best chances. Of course there are no guarantees, but a look at the top 4 players elo on the teams just says: "SK will win".
The Fanta, Best, Bisu combo will normally get two wins. So SK only needs 1 more win out of 3 games to get it to ace. Now with Kwanro in the mix the opponents team might have to prepare for three races in the ace match as well. Ouch.
KHAN and OZ just look lost I'm afraid.
I first thought hite Entus would be great, but I'm not convinced anymore. How can your best player just retire? Who's left to lead? Hite's highest ranked player is Leta at rank 14(!). The next one up is Iris, who hasn't been looking great in a long time.
STX is also in trouble I think. What happened to Calm and Hero? STX have only one player in the top 30 and Kal is hardly going to be able to carry the team alone in Bo7 matches.
Sorry folks, except KT there just isn't a credible threat. And I fancy SK's chances.
lol you just totally left out woongjin look at my sig now who can beat skt ?? oO
On October 24 2010 21:19 ci_esteban wrote: Anyone know where I can find all the music used in the proleagues? Hopefully this hasn't been answered already... >.<
On October 27 2010 10:50 Draffut wrote: So, i've been gone for a couple months, what happend to the 2 other teams.... my Hite got absorbed or somethin?
hite sparkyz merged with cj entus to create hite entus
estro disbanded and their players spread amongst the rest of the teams
Thanks for the chart. Would it be possible to have this uploaded on google docs / zoho sheets so that people can just see your update anytime they want by following a fixed URL?
And that could potentially be the "official" status update for Proleague since the current way of doing it is like 15th-century style.
God damnit, STX. Pull yourself together! On a sidenote, there must be more appealing tables there. While everything else is topnotch, the table feels a bit off. It's still tolerable, it just nags at me. Thank you for doing this in the first place, I can't really complain. We'll probably see the effect of Anytime returning soon enough, and that's going to be awesome.
Its far too early in the season to get a very accurate prediction, since team makeups/performance tend to vary as the season progresses, but if they keep this up, ACE might make the playoffs for the first time this year (also assuming we get a full season, w/ regards to the whole KeSPA/Gretech/Blizzard thing).
I wonder if Anytime can really help Oz when he gets back.
On October 30 2010 06:01 CoWsGoesMoo wrote: What's the opening song for MBC? O.o
All-Time Pro Scene Music In the future, direct music-related questions to that thread. As for your question, page 72 has the opening music for the 10-11 season (OP not yet updated for this round).
SKT bringing the hurt early on, especially with Bisu in top form <3 I hope they keep this up, need the Terrans to rally though and it will be a truly dominating year for SKT.
Dammit, theres an October 31st? I thought today was November 1st and KT was going to play Khan. Can't wait for more pro league. Games have been spectaular so far.
On October 22 2010 04:33 Simplistik wrote: I might be a fanboy, but I think that SK has the best chances. Of course there are no guarantees, but a look at the top 4 players elo on the teams just says: "SK will win".
The Fanta, Best, Bisu combo will normally get two wins. So SK only needs 1 more win out of 3 games to get it to ace. Now with Kwanro in the mix the opponents team might have to prepare for three races in the ace match as well. Ouch.
KHAN and OZ just look lost I'm afraid.
I first thought hite Entus would be great, but I'm not convinced anymore. How can your best player just retire? Who's left to lead? Hite's highest ranked player is Leta at rank 14(!). The next one up is Iris, who hasn't been looking great in a long time.
STX is also in trouble I think. What happened to Calm and Hero? STX have only one player in the top 30 and Kal is hardly going to be able to carry the team alone in Bo7 matches.
Sorry folks, except KT there just isn't a credible threat. And I fancy SK's chances.
lol you just totally left out woongjin look at my sig now who can beat skt ?? oO
also SAMSUNG OZ pls
not woongjin tahts for sure LOL
Honestly I'd have to say I feel pretty sorry for Snow, he has such an enormous amount of potential but his team is pretty bad right now. Had he been raised in Khan or SKT, he would've been absolutely phenomenal with such great players to learn from and practice with.
On November 05 2010 20:05 catabowl wrote: SKT isn't losing a set in round 1. The 3 teams I think could give them trouble, Khan, KT, and HiteEntus, SKT beat them.
and woongjin. we have defeated all the hard teams so far. if we stay strong, we might go undefeated this round.
there's a little mistake in week 2 WeMade vs KT: hero's link leads to by.hero (STX), while WeMade's player is hero[jOin] aka hero[kas] http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/682_herO[jOin] easy to mix them up because both zerg and have the same ID
Nice to see Woongjin hold on to 2nd. Hopefully they'll take their last 2 matches with ease, and stx and can upset skt, along with a miracle performance from Oz against skt to solidify a 1st place for Stars :3!
What happened to Hiya? It was just a season or two ago when we almost named the team "Hiya Oz"... Bo7 format really emphasizes the deep teams, and KT's second stringers lost whatever temporary strength they displayed last season.
Turn really carrying Khan. Most of the key vets from the 08 winners are still here yet they all don't perform, such a tragedy.
Has MBC only used 6 different players so far? Well if Jaehoon has a winning record (so far), that's good for them.
Fantasy went from being the best player in 09-10 R5 record-wise to middling, but SKT's other stars have stepped up.
On November 12 2010 22:29 Zona wrote: Oz and KT both in mini-freefalls.
What happened to Hiya? It was just a season or two ago when we almost named the team "Hiya Oz"... Bo7 format really emphasizes the deep teams, and KT's second stringers lost whatever temporary strength they displayed last season.
Turn really carrying Khan. Most of the key vets from the 08 winners are still here yet they all don't perform, such a tragedy.
Has MBC only used 6 different players so far? Well if Jaehoon has a winning record (so far), that's good for them.
Fantasy went from being the best player in 09-10 R5 record-wise to middling, but SKT's other stars have stepped up.
Yeah man, i thought all that practice for killer and perfectman on stage would make them BETTER than the other top b-teamers. I guess not lol OZ has potential, and that's why it's so frustrating!! if they ALL could just step it up, (beside jd obviously)
Maybe Anytime winning a game will give them a boost.
I can't believe jangbi's slump, it's ridiculous!
It's really interesting comparing performance vs predictions, my fantasy team this year would've been so bad!!! Lol
can't believe SKT is doing so well, especially since so many people think it's just a 3 man team with a bunch of scrubs; yet their scrubs have been coming through while everyone else's have been so-so.
WOW so impressive that Woongjin has so many wins even with 2 losses (meaning they made ACE set both times)...
I really hope SKT keeps up their momentum, I enjoy seeing a strong protoss in bisu for a change (we REALLY needed a protoss S class lately-_- just hope he can go up another level and knock down JD or Flash in a head to head match)
If Khan would just give their ace matches to Turn instead of Jangbi they should do a lot better actually it would be great if they could just play Turn instead of Jangbi for the rest of the season.
Anybody knows how many teams advance to the playoffs? Also, I'd be glad if OP also contained a basic text version of the standings table (I sometimes check the thread on the phone, and to conserve bandwidth, I have image loading turned off, so I have to turn it on again here, which in turn causes all the other images to load, and also is annoying. I would guess I'm not the only one, but who knows.)
On November 15 2010 18:52 ZBiR wrote: Anybody knows how many teams advance to the playoffs? Also, I'd be glad if OP also contained a basic text version of the standings table (I sometimes check the thread on the phone, and to conserve bandwidth, I have image loading turned off, so I have to turn it on again here, which in turn causes all the other images to load, and also is annoying. I would guess I'm not the only one, but who knows.)
Post season playoffs is top 6 teams I think.
Now that rounds 3 and 4 are WL format, will we be seeing 2 WL finals, 1 each after rounds 3 and 4 respectively or just 1 WL final after round 4?
since the bracket isn't updated i've noticed that bottom bracket has teams that seem like they don't belong there if all of these series were bo5 and not bo7
7. Samsung Khan 8. KT Rolster 9. Air Force Ace 10. Hwaseung Oz
If KT and WeMade win their games today ranks 4 till 8 will all have win ratio of 44.4%. If ACE don't lose 0-4 today they will end the round higher than Oz =S.
Poor Light, he's 3-7 because all of his opponents have been fairly strong (losses to Fantasy, Stork, FBH, Flash, Zero, Kal, Roro and wins against Jaedong, Hogil, free)
SKT is kicking ass but another round of being undefeated is very very unlikely. Sure, SKT was throwing newbies in with their usual vets but they got to Ace twice, most of their victories were 4-2 and I don't see any 4-0 victories in there. A few wrong games (Bisu won't be pulling wins out of terrible positions forever), or a bad Ace game will mean a loss so you SKT fans ought to brace yourselves now and not develop absurd expectations.
I think SKT fans should be happy enough with: -getting a record -their main trio performing very well at the same time, instead of one or two slumping -at least one SKTzerg who seems to get wins -new talent in by.Sun -good performance in R5 not being a fluke -KT's finals win over SKT looking like a fluke and most of their team sucking (for those who love schadenfreude)
On November 18 2010 17:05 TheNessman wrote: This Season is so interesting! I still feel anything can happen, especially with kt and OZ at the bottom...
On November 18 2010 17:05 TheNessman wrote: This Season is so interesting! I still feel anything can happen, especially with kt and OZ at the bottom...
Also Pvzvt, i understand you so much... ;_;
I don't think people were expecting Jaedong OZ to be tearing it up with the bo7 format
and where did hite come from? they were sucking awhile ago
SPL Week 2 and Week 5 schedules have changed since they were added to TL calendar. Anyone know who I should contact about it?
EDIT: new schedules:
Format: Day of Week | Date | Broadcasting Company | Matchup
Wk2 Sat 12/04 OGN Off day Sat 12/04 MBC Off day Sun 12/05 OGN MBC vs ACE Sun 12/05 OGN KT vs WeMade Mon 12/06 OGN Hwaseung vs Hite Mon 12/06 MBC Samsung vs STX Tue 12/07 OGN WMF vs ACE Tue 12/07 MBC KT vs MBC Wed 12/08 OGN Off day Wed 12/09 MBC SKT vs Woongjin
Wk5 Sat 12/25 OGN STX vs ACE Sat 12/25 MBC KT vs Hwaseung Sun 12/26 OGN SKT vs MBC Sun 12/26 MBC WeMade vs Woongjin Mon 12/27 OGN hite vs KT Mon 12/27 MBC ACE vs Samsung Tue 12/28 OGN STX vs Woongjin Tue 12/28 MBC SKT vs Hwaseung Wed 12/29 OGN MBC vs hite Wed 12/29 MBC Samsung vs WeMade
I'm looking for confirmation, but a Chinese news site has said that either Grand Line SE or Fortress will be swapped for Bloody Ridge in the upcoming round.
On November 21 2010 09:45 infinitestory wrote: SPL Week 2 and Week 5 schedules have changed since they were added to TL calendar. Anyone know who I should contact about it?
On November 21 2010 09:45 infinitestory wrote: EDIT: Thanks Harem. + Show Spoiler +
SPL Week 2 and Week 5 schedules have changed since they were added to TL calendar. Anyone know who I should contact about it?
EDIT: new schedules:
Format: Day of Week | Date | Broadcasting Company | Matchup
Wk2 Sat 12/04 OGN Off day Sat 12/04 MBC Off day Sun 12/05 OGN MBC vs ACE Sun 12/05 OGN KT vs WeMade Mon 12/06 OGN Hwaseung vs Hite Mon 12/06 MBC Samsung vs STX Tue 12/07 OGN WMF vs ACE Tue 12/07 MBC KT vs MBC Wed 12/08 OGN Off day Wed 12/09 MBC SKT vs Woongjin
Wk5 Sat 12/25 OGN STX vs ACE Sat 12/25 MBC KT vs Hwaseung Sun 12/26 OGN SKT vs MBC Sun 12/26 MBC WeMade vs Woongjin Mon 12/27 OGN hite vs KT Mon 12/27 MBC ACE vs Samsung Tue 12/28 OGN STX vs Woongjin Tue 12/28 MBC SKT vs Hwaseung Wed 12/29 OGN MBC vs hite Wed 12/29 MBC Samsung vs WeMade
I'm looking for confirmation, but a Chinese news site has said that either Grand Line SE or Fortress will be swapped for Bloody Ridge in the upcoming round.
O yes new maps, hope grand line gets swapped, sorta getting tired of that map. have the msl and osl new maps been posted somewhere on tl for dl? (or linked some where, if yes i'll find them just wondering)
On November 21 2010 11:33 StorrZerg wrote: O yes new maps, hope grand line gets swapped, sorta getting tired of that map. have the msl and osl new maps been posted somewhere on tl for dl? (or linked some where, if yes i'll find them just wondering)
On November 21 2010 11:33 StorrZerg wrote: O yes new maps, hope grand line gets swapped, sorta getting tired of that map. have the msl and osl new maps been posted somewhere on tl for dl? (or linked some where, if yes i'll find them just wondering)
On November 21 2010 21:50 Ryo wrote: I like the black KT uniforms better. Flash looked so cool in the OSL intro. The white ones kind of clash with Hentus.
There are already lots of teams with light-colored uniforms. The teams should honestly go for more interesting colours!
On November 21 2010 09:45 infinitestory wrote: EDIT: Thanks Harem. + Show Spoiler +
SPL Week 2 and Week 5 schedules have changed since they were added to TL calendar. Anyone know who I should contact about it?
EDIT: new schedules:
Format: Day of Week | Date | Broadcasting Company | Matchup
Wk2 Sat 12/04 OGN Off day Sat 12/04 MBC Off day Sun 12/05 OGN MBC vs ACE Sun 12/05 OGN KT vs WeMade Mon 12/06 OGN Hwaseung vs Hite Mon 12/06 MBC Samsung vs STX Tue 12/07 OGN WMF vs ACE Tue 12/07 MBC KT vs MBC Wed 12/08 OGN Off day Wed 12/09 MBC SKT vs Woongjin
Wk5 Sat 12/25 OGN STX vs ACE Sat 12/25 MBC KT vs Hwaseung Sun 12/26 OGN SKT vs MBC Sun 12/26 MBC WeMade vs Woongjin Mon 12/27 OGN hite vs KT Mon 12/27 MBC ACE vs Samsung Tue 12/28 OGN STX vs Woongjin Tue 12/28 MBC SKT vs Hwaseung Wed 12/29 OGN MBC vs hite Wed 12/29 MBC Samsung vs WeMade
I'm looking for confirmation, but a Chinese news site has said that either Grand Line SE or Fortress will be swapped for Bloody Ridge in the upcoming round.
confirming the changes to the schedule (it's on kespa's site), but i see nothing about maps
On November 22 2010 12:42 Zona wrote: So no rumors about dropping Protoss Central? But I'm happy to see protosses in general becoming more important in lineups this season.
According to KeSPA's calendar, Bloody Ridge will be used instead of Central Plains. TL's calendar still has Central Plains listed though and should be updated.
ex: KT vs STX (28th), on KeSPA's site: 1) Benzene 2) Empire of the Sun 3) Bloody Ridge 4) Grand Line SE 5) Icarus 6) Circuit Breaker 7) Aztec.
On TL's calendar: Set 1: Benzene Set 2: Empire of the Sun Set 3: Central Plains Set 4: Grand Line SE Set 5: Icarus Set 6: Circuit Breaker Set 7: Aztec
On November 22 2010 22:22 vishrut wrote: are they really getting rid of central plains? nooo it was like the one protoss favored map in along time
Yes but problem for protoss is that central plains was so blatantly protoss favoured that only pvp's played on it so protoss' ended up sniping each other.
I have a feeling that Bisu is gonna have a field day with that map. I mean, he said the biggest trouble of PvT for him is scouting, and just look at how much work it takes to deny scouting through the edges. Easy scouting is such a protoss feature.
On November 23 2010 12:58 Lightwip wrote: I have a feeling that Bisu is gonna have a field day with that map. I mean, he said the biggest trouble of PvT for him is scouting, and just look at how much work it takes to deny scouting through the edges. Easy scouting is such a protoss feature.
Wouldn't it be easily stopped if the opponent mines out the minerals on his side of the gates quickly? For that matter, why are the minerals on his side of the gate even there? (I guess one legit use might be evacuating workers from a threatened expansion, but that's very situational)
On November 23 2010 12:58 Lightwip wrote: I have a feeling that Bisu is gonna have a field day with that map. I mean, he said the biggest trouble of PvT for him is scouting, and just look at how much work it takes to deny scouting through the edges. Easy scouting is such a protoss feature.
Wouldn't it be easily stopped if the opponent mines out the minerals on his side of the gates quickly? For that matter, why are the minerals on his side of the gate even there? (I guess one legit use might be evacuating workers from a threatened expansion, but that's very situational)
Well, I don't know how many minerals are there, if it's a 0 then yes, but if it's like 60-80 then no you couldn't. It's probably meant for scouting.
On November 23 2010 12:58 Lightwip wrote: I have a feeling that Bisu is gonna have a field day with that map. I mean, he said the biggest trouble of PvT for him is scouting, and just look at how much work it takes to deny scouting through the edges. Easy scouting is such a protoss feature.
i think he said the problem is not getting the observer in but reading that information.
On November 24 2010 01:06 Bisu-Fan wrote: anyone know when another week recap's gonna come out??? certainly at least a round review's coming out right?
On November 23 2010 12:58 Lightwip wrote: I have a feeling that Bisu is gonna have a field day with that map. I mean, he said the biggest trouble of PvT for him is scouting, and just look at how much work it takes to deny scouting through the edges. Easy scouting is such a protoss feature.
Wouldn't it be easily stopped if the opponent mines out the minerals on his side of the gates quickly? For that matter, why are the minerals on his side of the gate even there? (I guess one legit use might be evacuating workers from a threatened expansion, but that's very situational)
Well, I don't know how many minerals are there, if it's a 0 then yes, but if it's like 60-80 then no you couldn't. It's probably meant for scouting.
That version of Bloody Ridge to which you are referring is an older version. The new one does not have the small in-base mineral patches, among other things.
Just got confirmation from OGN caster 엄재경 that Central Plains has officially been replaced by Blood Ridge, in case there was any doubt left over in peoples' minds.
On November 24 2010 10:20 Release wrote: I can't even remember ANY bisu matches that were even slightly memorable. Jaedong, Stork, and Flash had some pretty memorable matches imo.
the game vs Great was very close, epic game. the game vs Calm was won with incredible zealot macro / micro from Bisu, and he looked behind after the ling lurk backstab, but still managed to take it.
Also, thanks OP this is a great summary of the first round ! MSPaint ftw !
On November 24 2010 10:20 Release wrote: I can't even remember ANY bisu matches that were even slightly memorable. Jaedong, Stork, and Flash had some pretty memorable matches imo.
Is it even possible to remember something that isn't memorable?
KT Rolster is lagging behind with 3 wins and 6 losses? Hoho, *evil grin*. I have officially changed my allegiance from SKT1 to Stars temporarily... because I have my reasons. Don't worry, I might be back with SKT1... or MBC! =3
hey guys can you tell me what headsets are they using i know there was a thread before but i can't bloody find it. i mean the soundproof pilot headset.
that's amazing, the stars have aligned to boost SKT and Woongjin, take a dump on KT and OZ, and balance the middle. 5 teams with same wins and loses is insane.
On November 28 2010 16:39 henzi wrote: that's amazing, the stars have aligned to boost SKT and Woongjin, take a dump on KT and OZ, and balance the middle. 5 teams with same wins and loses is insane.
I think it's good, makes the league more competitive for the spots in the playoffs. Making it Bo7 was a good idea. Of course I can't wait for the 2 rounds of Winner's League. Who knows what might happen then!
On November 28 2010 16:39 henzi wrote: that's amazing, the stars have aligned to boost SKT and Woongjin, take a dump on KT and OZ, and balance the middle. 5 teams with same wins and loses is insane.
On November 28 2010 16:39 henzi wrote: that's amazing, the stars have aligned to boost SKT and Woongjin, take a dump on KT and OZ, and balance the middle. 5 teams with same wins and loses is insane.
On December 01 2010 11:50 Zona wrote: Wow - I was just idly browsing and realized...Jaedong hasn't won a ZvT yet in PL...although he's only played one.
He corrected that today. Three losses for JD so far tho is surprising for me.
On December 01 2010 11:50 Zona wrote: Wow - I was just idly browsing and realized...Jaedong hasn't won a ZvT yet in PL...although he's only played one.
He corrected that today. Three losses for JD so far tho is surprising for me.
It seems that the proleague schedule has changed again? According to the Kespa website, STX plays MBC and Wemade plays Oz on 11th Dec. The rest of the schedule is different too.
SKT sure is trying out a lot of new players this season. A shame they had to lose one, but it doesn't look like they are beatable with FBB and the best 3 supporting players. STX got the best lineup possible and SKT was trying all of their new players and they still only barely managed to pull out a win(with a great degree of luck). Also, STX is actually doing really good. They'll probably take the 2nd place from Stars, whose free/zero seem to be slumping.
On December 11 2010 07:22 Lightwip wrote: SKT sure is trying out a lot of new players this season. A shame they had to lose one, but it doesn't look like they are beatable with FBB and the best 3 supporting players. STX got the best lineup possible and SKT was trying all of their new players and they still only barely managed to pull out a win(with a great degree of luck). Also, STX is actually doing really good. They'll probably take the 2nd place from Stars, whose free/zero seem to be slumping.
Damn fantasy build, always making things difficult for us SKT fans. No worries, SKT still has an ungodly win differential. But Park needs to stop experimenting and just go 4 toss+ fantasy+1 risk a bit more often. + Show Spoiler +
To be honest, I see hard times ahead for SKT, at least for a few weeks. The zergs probably have had their confidence crushed from so many losses and Fantasy may be down from that game against Modesty, Paralyze is unimpressive in PL, and Best is sick. For now it's gonna have to be Bisu who holds things together. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm a bit worried. It probably won't be this bad, but I expect maybe a 50% winrate for R2.
once at TLDP, Bisu vs Zero at Bloody Ridge appears as "Central Plains" with a link to the incorrect map. That's why Bloody Ridge doesn't show this VOD on its Game list.
On December 14 2010 10:11 Seraphic wrote: is SKT still first? I'm sort of curious after there... loss to Hentus. -.- How about try new players next time not in big groups. :p
You know there's a chart in the OP that answers these types of questions, right?
(Yes, they're still in first, and still by a fairly large margin)
On December 14 2010 10:11 Seraphic wrote: is SKT still first? I'm sort of curious after there... loss to Hentus. -.- How about try new players next time not in big groups. :p
You know there's a chart in the OP that answers these types of questions, right?
(Yes, they're still in first, and still by a fairly large margin)
Since the tables aren't updated yet in the OP, you could always just go to KeSPA's site which is up to date.
Can anyone confirm whether or not line-ups are determined before hand? I've noticed today in the KT vs SKT1, after every match when the teams do their huddle. One Kespa ref walks over to each huddle. The coaches seems to give a piece of paper to the ref and the two refs meet in the middle of the stage, and return to the coaches giving them a piece of paper back. I'm guessing this is is their next player writen on a piece of paper, and the coaches are given a few minutes to talk over the strat with their already designated player.
I've been wondering about this because a lot of people have been saying that line-ups are still predetermined and that Kespa just withholds them until the actual match. Like the other day, reading the LR for the SKT1 vs Hite match, all the SKT1 fans were calling Coach Park a troll for sending By.Sun before Bisu and Best. But I'm pretty sure he had his reasons for sending him, and that he wasn't trolling with a predetermined line-up.
On December 15 2010 15:55 Jackle wrote: Can anyone confirm whether or not line-ups are determined before hand? I've noticed today in the KT vs SKT1, after every match when the teams do their huddle. One Kespa ref walks over to each huddle. The coaches seems to give a piece of paper to the ref and the two refs meet in the middle of the stage, and return to the coaches giving them a piece of paper back. I'm guessing this is is their next player writen on a piece of paper, and the coaches are given a few minutes to talk over the strat with their already designated player.
I've been wondering about this because a lot of people have been saying that line-ups are still predetermined and that Kespa just withholds them until the actual match. Like the other day, reading the LR for the SKT1 vs Hite match, all the SKT1 fans were calling Coach Park a troll for sending By.Sun before Bisu and Best. But I'm pretty sure he had his reasons for sending him, and that he wasn't trolling with a predetermined line-up.
On December 14 2010 22:40 Fenrax wrote: Afaik players are chosen before the series starts.
Excuse me for asking, but this has been bugging me for a while. How do you know? Because, afaik, there has been no definite confirmation either way. Rather, the fact that the coaches send in little notes before every game seems to imply that they chose during the series. But like I said, I have yet to see anyone post proof for any theory.
i think generally coaches plan out their lineups beforehand (it's better to have a player practice on 1 map for a while then all maps for a little bit), but they are allowed to send whoever they want to right before the match starts. i have no idea how that rumor started that all the lineups are exactly like it was before but they just dont publish them, but it's wrong. multiple player interviews (saying that they hadnt practiced on the map or werent expecting player X to show up) have confirmed it (as well as how it was described when the change was announced ffs).
I've been saying the same thing as Ideas for some time but many still think the line-up cannot be changed before the start of each game. Simply not true.
Anyway, this season is really too close to call. SKT had the best performance round 1, Hite seems to be having a great round 2 but who knows what will happen in Winner's League.
Afaik, it's 6 rounds set up like this: Round1: 2 weeks with 9 matches for each team Round2: 5 weeks with 9 matches for each team (round 1 would seem more stressful to me!) Round3/4: Winners league... All 10 team plays, or just the best 3/6? Round5/6: didnt we just play the winners league? Postseason: ... ehm? what's this? Grand finals: Winners of 'winners league' face somebody?
On December 25 2010 08:18 icclown wrote: I have question concerning the league format...
Afaik, it's 6 rounds set up like this: Round1: 2 weeks with 9 matches for each team Round2: 5 weeks with 9 matches for each team (round 1 would seem more stressful to me!) Round3/4: Winners league... All 10 team plays, or just the best 3/6? Round5/6: didnt we just play the winners league? Postseason: ... ehm? what's this? Grand finals: Winners of 'winners league' face somebody?
Winner's league is just a weird name for proleague rounds 3/4. They don't determine the actual winners of proleague. It's named winner's league because the format is different. It's king of the hill format so one player can play all four sets needed to win. Depth matters much less in these formats.
Postseason is the upper half of teams fighting to get to face the rank 1 team in the Grand Finals.
On December 25 2010 08:18 icclown wrote: I have question concerning the league format...
Afaik, it's 6 rounds set up like this: Round1: 2 weeks with 9 matches for each team Round2: 5 weeks with 9 matches for each team (round 1 would seem more stressful to me!) Round3/4: Winners league... All 10 team plays, or just the best 3/6? Round5/6: didnt we just play the winners league? Postseason: ... ehm? what's this? Grand finals: Winners of 'winners league' face somebody?
Winner's League is part of the regular season and possibly also its own thing as a mini competition with its own winner (which is decided with a playoff from the 2 winner's league rounds). The Winner's League rounds count towards the regular season, and are BO7 all-kill format (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Allkill_Format) The WL results get added to all the results like R1 and R2 get added together. R5 and 6 are like R1 and 2 and everything gets added together for the final results, which then comes to play in the Grand Final. Postseason is probably going to be something like the STX Masters Cup where the teams play against each other for another trophy (last time IIRC it was bottom plays second bottom, winner plays third bottom etc until the final team left plays STX because they sponsored it, and winner of STX vs other team wins the competition). That's a secondary competition, not the main Proleague playoffs, which are decided by the Proleague Rounds 1-6 results all combined.
Winner's league is indeed where the epic all-kills and reverse all-kills happen.
Rank 1 team goes straight to the playoffs. The format last season was this, may change with team reduction though: A: Rank 6 vs Rank 3 B: Rank 5 vs Rank 4 C: Winner of A vs Winner of B D: Winner of C vs Rank 2 Grand Finals: Winner of D vs Rank 1
I've been tracking PL games this season, and I went to the extent now of pulling out team matchup records. (I'll be updating my thread at the end of the round over the New Year's weekend.) But here's a spoiler/tidbit/preview:
Guess: Which team/race matches up best, statistically, against Terran this year? + Show Spoiler [Answer] +
If you guessed "ACE Zergs", you just won the jackpot. If you didn't guess right, I'm really not surprised. SKT Protoss come in... fifth. Samsung P? 14th.
Even more fun, ACE Terran is the #2 unit against Protoss. ACE pretty much universally sucks against Zerg, but I'm really curious how ACE manages to reverse the general imbalances.
My huge-ass leaderboard thread (originally Team Race Matchups, now with lots of extra features) has been updated with the main stats through Round Two, and updates will be completed over the next day.
Wow, what the hell at Woongjin. I knew they were doing badly but they are almost at the bottom now. Didn't they finish the first round at second place?
I just saw on milkis's twitter that Kwanro just got back from medical leave. Does anyone know when that started? I thugh he was just out because he was sluming hard in practice, but if he was gone the entire time, mabey he's still doing fine.
Correct; Kwanro has just came back from his vacation of recovering from getting dental treatment and from his slump. From Fomos, it seems that he got his vacation after he was eliminated from the OSL in the Round of 36 by Hydra and entered a slump after losing to Really last time SKT faced off against Woongjin Stars on Dec 8th. Rumors have been flying around that Kwanro has been missing because of internal conflict, but it seems that health issues along with recovering from his slump have been the main reasons why Kwanro was granted a vacation.
But that's not the point... The whole point is...... + Show Spoiler +
Kwanro is going to return in the Winners' League and is BACK! Expect KT to get KWANROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLED on the 8th! Fellow SKT fans rejoice :D
Kwanro was one of the only zergs I really liked (along with zero and yellow,) Then he came to SKT, and I was so excited for the kwanroooolllllage. It hasn’t happened yet, but winners league will usher in Kwanro's greatness.
Beats Violet with a hydra bust Crushes Action with straight up ZvZ muta micro Destroys stats with 9 pool speed against an incomplete wall Buries Flash with a 4 pool Gona be awesome
Piano applied for Ace in december. He passed the first round and if he passes the next test tomorrow, he will move into the Ace hostel and begin training.
On January 06 2011 04:45 Musoeun wrote: Goofy stat I just noticed: Both round 1 and round 2 had exactly 264 games played. If this happens again in R3 (with WL no less), I call shenanigans.
A minor request - for the "maps" graphic, if the map is relatively balanced in a matchup, rather than coloring both percentages, why not leave them both black? Then at a quick glance a colored percentage would indicate that a map favors a race in a match.
On January 31 2011 14:17 Simplistik wrote: I remember Winners League having mini playoffs last year. Do both rounds of Winners League get mini playoffs this year?
Not playoffs but a final Bo7 between the top 2 teams of WL.
On February 06 2011 02:05 Ryo wrote: It's looking increasingly like the WL final at the end of round 4 will be between KT and Khan.
so there IS actually a WL final?
yeah last year it was cj vs oz iirc (with that jaedong vs iris sick muta game and then skyhigh reverse all kill)
It was KT vs MBC , not CJ vs Oz. CJ vs Oz was in the 08-09 season.
yeah, flash was ripping up MBC; though flash earhacked light, and jaehoon could have beaten flash with that surprise carriers but he totally messed up by showing his carriers way too soon and allowing flash to make antiair
On February 06 2011 02:05 Ryo wrote: It's looking increasingly like the WL final at the end of round 4 will be between KT and Khan.
so there IS actually a WL final?
yeah last year it was cj vs oz iirc (with that jaedong vs iris sick muta game and then skyhigh reverse all kill)
It was KT vs MBC , not CJ vs Oz. CJ vs Oz was in the 08-09 season.
yeah, flash was ripping up MBC; though flash earhacked light, and jaehoon could have beaten flash with that surprise carriers but he totally messed up by showing his carriers way too soon and allowing flash to make antiair
i really hated that earhack .. especially with the match vs light .. O.o
it caused great controversy too :D
but i really want to ask .. WHERE THE HELL IS KWANRO?? also FPL for R4 on the works? please be 'yes' :D
On February 06 2011 02:05 Ryo wrote: It's looking increasingly like the WL final at the end of round 4 will be between KT and Khan.
so there IS actually a WL final?
yeah last year it was cj vs oz iirc (with that jaedong vs iris sick muta game and then skyhigh reverse all kill)
It was KT vs MBC , not CJ vs Oz. CJ vs Oz was in the 08-09 season.
yeah, flash was ripping up MBC; though flash earhacked light, and jaehoon could have beaten flash with that surprise carriers but he totally messed up by showing his carriers way too soon and allowing flash to make antiair
The light cheesefest was BEFORE the final. Also anyone could have beaten flash if given them a scenario in their favors.
On February 06 2011 02:05 Ryo wrote: It's looking increasingly like the WL final at the end of round 4 will be between KT and Khan.
so there IS actually a WL final?
yeah last year it was cj vs oz iirc (with that jaedong vs iris sick muta game and then skyhigh reverse all kill)
It was KT vs MBC , not CJ vs Oz. CJ vs Oz was in the 08-09 season.
yeah, flash was ripping up MBC; though flash earhacked light, and jaehoon could have beaten flash with that surprise carriers but he totally messed up by showing his carriers way too soon and allowing flash to make antiair
i really hated that earhack .. especially with the match vs light .. O.o
it caused great controversy too :D
but i really want to ask .. WHERE THE HELL IS KWANRO?? also FPL for R4 on the works? please be 'yes' :D
I seem to remember that FPL will encompass both R3 and R4.
On February 06 2011 02:05 Ryo wrote: It's looking increasingly like the WL final at the end of round 4 will be between KT and Khan.
so there IS actually a WL final?
yeah last year it was cj vs oz iirc (with that jaedong vs iris sick muta game and then skyhigh reverse all kill)
Yeah I know but I wasn't surei f there was a 2010-2011 WL finals because of new format
How does the WL final work? It doesn't seem fair if two teams get an extra game to count towards their ladder position
iirc, WL of last season has 4 teams (based ONLY on the WL standing) seeded into the WL Playoff, then the #3 and #4 team battle each other, winner gets to battle #2, then the winner of that match battles with the #1 team, that's the WL final. The games in the WL playoff and final do not count toward regular season records.
I'm currently on holiday and I didn't take my spreadsheets with me. Therefore, I won't update the OP until I get back home, later in the month. At least it's been a relatively quiet period.
On February 16 2011 00:31 mnesthes wrote: PL standings as of today
Legends: G=Games played W=Wins L=Losses D=Difference C=Change in position from the last time it was updated (R3 Week 3)
If you see anything wrong with this, tell me quickly so I can fix it.
Great stuff, do you have some players data? Like stats of the top5 players in winrate? Thatwould be awesome.
I've also compiled a list of 12 players with the most wins in R3.
Now comes with team color in player names so you can see the distribution of players in this table more clearly.
Thanks so much for doing this! I've been waiting to see the latest league standings for a long time now! Good work! KT Rolster is in fact KT flash... thats the only reason they have climbed up the standings...
On February 17 2011 20:03 moochu wrote: Lol 3 oz players? Does this mean hwaseung has some depth?!
nope, i guess it just means OZ has only 3 good players ;p
lol
but i think its because players from other team gets more wins than others because of the AK format .. and with that logic, the more people you have means there is balance in your players and the win/lose ratio of your team is average
also .. with KT going from one of the lowest to the top 3 just means flash is imba .. damn you flash .. stop being so good -_-
On February 16 2011 00:31 mnesthes wrote: PL standings as of today
Legends: G=Games played W=Wins L=Losses D=Difference C=Change in position from the last time it was updated (R3 Week 3)
If you see anything wrong with this, tell me quickly so I can fix it.
Great stuff, do you have some players data? Like stats of the top5 players in winrate? Thatwould be awesome.
I've also compiled a list of 12 players with the most wins in R3.
Now comes with team color in player names so you can see the distribution of players in this table more clearly.
You are my hero! Thanks a lot for this.
Have not realized Stork has so good results in R3 and hopefully JD steps up again. I think there are not many players who can beat Flash in a Bo5. Actually I think he is the only one...
Holy shit Flash is doing well. Actually Flash, Bisu, and Stork really are playing ahead of everyone else right now as reflected by the stats. Khan needs to pick it up a bit though :/
KT were given one demerit point as well...which means they should only have a difference of 3 SKTs demerits came from one of their players being late on the 3rd set against MBC + hyuk not wearing his headset when the game started (round 1) KT - stats wrote "g" instead of "gg", tempest wrote "ggg" instead of "gg", action wrote "ㅎㅎ" which is what happens when you type "gg" with the korean keyboard MBC - sea was using his mouse when the game was paused, jaehoon type "ㅈㅈ" which is the korean way of saying "gg" (different to actions mistake where in this case "ㅈㅈ" actually sounds like "gg") STX - kal typed "g" instead of "gg", and "김성현" whoever the hell he is was also using his mouse in pause. if someone could tell me who the 2nd guy is ill edit this post wemadefox - lucifer typed "gg]" and "김준호" one of the zerg players typed "g"
On February 18 2011 16:33 evilfatsh1t wrote: KT were given one demerit point as well...which means they should only have a difference of 3 SKTs demerits came from one of their players being late on the 3rd set against MBC + hyuk not wearing his headset when the game started (round 1) KT - stats wrote "g" instead of "gg", tempest wrote "ggg" instead of "gg", action wrote "ㅎㅎ" which is what happens when you type "gg" with the korean keyboard MBC - sea was using his mouse when the game was paused, jaehoon type "ㅈㅈ" which is the korean way of saying "gg" (different to actions mistake where in this case "ㅈㅈ" actually sounds like "gg") STX - kal typed "g" instead of "gg", and "김성현" whoever the hell he is was also using his mouse in pause. if someone could tell me who the 2nd guy is ill edit this post wemadefox - "이영호" (the guy who has the same name as flash but plays protoss and i dont know what his bnet name is) typed "gg]" and "김준호" one of the zerg players typed "g"
lol, I don't know a team could be given demerit points for that. That must suck.
On February 18 2011 16:33 evilfatsh1t wrote: KT were given one demerit point as well...which means they should only have a difference of 3 SKTs demerits came from one of their players being late on the 3rd set against MBC + hyuk not wearing his headset when the game started (round 1) KT - stats wrote "g" instead of "gg", tempest wrote "ggg" instead of "gg", action wrote "ㅎㅎ" which is what happens when you type "gg" with the korean keyboard MBC - sea was using his mouse when the game was paused, jaehoon type "ㅈㅈ" which is the korean way of saying "gg" (different to actions mistake where in this case "ㅈㅈ" actually sounds like "gg") STX - kal typed "g" instead of "gg", and "김성현" whoever the hell he is was also using his mouse in pause. if someone could tell me who the 2nd guy is ill edit this post wemadefox - "이영호" (the guy who has the same name as flash but plays protoss and i dont know what his bnet name is) typed "gg]" and "김준호" one of the zerg players typed "g"
Fake Lee Young Ho from FOX is actually Lucifer. Flash raped him hard that game and earned highest elo in all categories. man, the rape must be pretty damn mind shocking to Lucifer that he mistyped "gg."
On February 23 2011 14:08 Kiante wrote: I still cant believe kespa is giving out demerits for typos. They're so dumb sometimes
Once the epitome of fucked up rules, always the epitome of fucked up rules. If Kespa was the government of a country, I guess people could be thrown into jail for wearing shoes that are not from the same pair.
On February 23 2011 23:06 Askalaphos wrote: Does anybody knows, when they will play the next Proleague matches?
Yes, I fully intend to keep on updating this thread until this season's champions have been crowned.
It will take me a while to go through the Round 3 player and map stats, but I'll keep chipping away at it to try and get up to date before this round finishes.
However, asking for updates really doesn't make any difference, because I do it when I get around to do it. So you might as well save your breath, or typing in this case.
Oz has managed to crawl into reach of a play-off place. Ace is almost out of contention. The last round is going to be the most exciting I think. Personally, I'm tired of the Winner's League format now. I wish it wasn't two rounds in a row.
삼성전자 - Samsung 화승 - Hwaseung 웅진 - Woongjin 위메이드 - WeMade 공군 - ACE The rest are in English so they shouldn't be an issue.
As for the table itself:
Position Team Total games played Wins Losses Win % (wins/total games played) Match differential (match wins - match losses - penalties) Match wins Match losses Current Streak Penalties
I'm confused about latest R4 standings ... liquibet is telling me one thing but your rankings is saying another? (liquibet saying they've only played 4 matches this round)
On March 10 2011 11:42 a176 wrote: I'm confused about latest R4 standings ... liquibet is telling me one thing but your rankings is saying another? (liquibet saying they've only played 4 matches this round)
After three weeks most teams have played 6 matches, but some have only played 5 (because of the uneven number of games a team plays per round). My guess is that liquibet hasn't been updated yet, or maybe some games were missed.
On March 10 2011 11:42 a176 wrote: I'm confused about latest R4 standings ... liquibet is telling me one thing but your rankings is saying another? (liquibet saying they've only played 4 matches this round)
After three weeks most teams have played 6 matches, but some have only played 5 (because of the uneven number of games a team plays per round). My guess is that liquibet hasn't been updated yet, or maybe some games were missed.
No, the current Liquibet started in week 2 of round 4, not in the beginning of the round. Some of the matches are "missing" because they were a part of last round's Liquibet (season 22).
On March 10 2011 11:42 a176 wrote: I'm confused about latest R4 standings ... liquibet is telling me one thing but your rankings is saying another? (liquibet saying they've only played 4 matches this round)
I can't read korean, but playoff positioning is baced on both R3 and R4.
On March 10 2011 11:42 a176 wrote: I'm confused about latest R4 standings ... liquibet is telling me one thing but your rankings is saying another? (liquibet saying they've only played 4 matches this round)
I can't read korean, but playoff positioning is baced on both R3 and R4.
I think there's a playoff for winners league only (R3 + R4) and then there'll be the proleague playoffs at the end taking into account all five rounds. But who knows, I could be terribly wrong.
On March 10 2011 11:42 a176 wrote: I'm confused about latest R4 standings ... liquibet is telling me one thing but your rankings is saying another? (liquibet saying they've only played 4 matches this round)
I can't read korean, but playoff positioning is baced on both R3 and R4.
I think there's a playoff for winners league only (R3 + R4) and then there'll be the proleague playoffs at the end taking into account all five rounds. But who knows, I could be terribly wrong.
On March 10 2011 11:42 a176 wrote: I'm confused about latest R4 standings ... liquibet is telling me one thing but your rankings is saying another? (liquibet saying they've only played 4 matches this round)
I can't read korean, but playoff positioning is baced on both R3 and R4.
I think there's a playoff for winners league only (R3 + R4) and then there'll be the proleague playoffs at the end taking into account all five rounds. But who knows, I could be terribly wrong.
Is there a place to check the overall rankings? The final results for R3 seem to be missing.
On March 10 2011 11:42 a176 wrote: I'm confused about latest R4 standings ... liquibet is telling me one thing but your rankings is saying another? (liquibet saying they've only played 4 matches this round)
I can't read korean, but playoff positioning is baced on both R3 and R4.
I think there's a playoff for winners league only (R3 + R4) and then there'll be the proleague playoffs at the end taking into account all five rounds. But who knows, I could be terribly wrong.
Is there a place to check the overall rankings? The final results for R3 seem to be missing.
http://www.e-sports.or.kr/ has updated results for overall rankings. I think the overall rankings right now are, in order,
SKT, KT, Hite, Khan, STX, Oz, MBC, Stars, Wemade, ACE Assuming I'm reading the website right...
On March 10 2011 11:42 a176 wrote: I'm confused about latest R4 standings ... liquibet is telling me one thing but your rankings is saying another? (liquibet saying they've only played 4 matches this round)
I can't read korean, but playoff positioning is baced on both R3 and R4.
I think there's a playoff for winners league only (R3 + R4) and then there'll be the proleague playoffs at the end taking into account all five rounds. But who knows, I could be terribly wrong.
Is there a place to check the overall rankings? The final results for R3 seem to be missing.
The KeSPA website normally has fairly recent overall rankings, although sometimes they are a day or two late.
The final results for R3 were actually in the OP. Admittedly they weren't very accessible, but now you can find them right when you open the R3 spoiler.
On March 15 2011 04:56 TheNessman wrote: There's actually 2 playoffs right? the WL playoffs in AK format and the actual SPL playoffs that are in bo7 with ace mode, right
So even though SKT is in the lead overall through round 4, KT is in 1st place for the WL playoffs? Do i have that right? i'm a little confused.
Epic thread. Thank you for your continously hard work Simplistik
On March 01 2011 16:15 Simplistik wrote: The only thing I really want is KT punished for their dismal Round 1/2 performance, by not finishing first or second overall.
On March 01 2011 16:15 Simplistik wrote: The only thing I really want is KT punished for their dismal Round 1/2 performance, by not finishing first or second overall.
Looks like they will
KT was trying to make things interesting by giving all the other teams a head start. Looks like they must lose round 3 as well, seeing how this advantage isn't enough.
On March 16 2011 17:00 pred470r wrote: Flash was trying to make things interesting by giving all the other teams a head start. Looks like he must lose round 3 as well, seeing how this advantage isn't enough.
On March 19 2011 13:51 BlackMagister wrote: Are we nearing the end of WL? If so what teams are going to enter the playoffs? I assume it just takes WL games in deciding WL playoffs.
KT, Oz and Hite are pretty much guaranteed, the last spot depends on KHAN and SKT's performance.
On March 22 2011 23:53 narago89 wrote: so i know that KTF and HWA SEONG OZ made the playoff and HIt Entus too.
so who is gona b 4th?
KT, OZ, SKT and Hite made the WL playoffs.
The first match will be between SKT and Hite on March 26. The winner of the first match will play OZ on April 2. The winner of the second match will face KT in the finals on April 9.
On March 22 2011 23:53 narago89 wrote: so i know that KTF and HWA SEONG OZ made the playoff and HIt Entus too.
so who is gona b 4th?
KT, OZ, SKT and Hite made the WL playoffs.
The first match will be between SKT and Hite on March 26. The winner of the first match will play OZ on April 2. The winner of the second match will face KT in the finals on April 9.
Damn, I had hoped that it would 1 v 4 and 2 v 3. Now SK edging hite on won games didn't matter sadly.
Am I correct in assuming that there won't be any regular Proleague games until after the conclusion of the Winners League final?
(Also, thread is up to date! I might get around to doing some player stats on the weekend.)
i was wondering what effect the winners league playoffs have on the overall proleague season? Do the games in the playoffs count toward the teams' records? Does the winner of the winners league get anything for the overall proleague playoffs?
On March 23 2011 10:04 hyku wrote: i was wondering what effect the winners league playoffs have on the overall proleague season? Do the games in the playoffs count toward the teams' records? Does the winner of the winners league get anything for the overall proleague playoffs?
As far as I know, the Winners League playoffs have no bearing on the rest of the season.
Hopefully both teams put their best feet forward...I expect to see an epic JvF on set 7
I realize Fantasy starts with F too, but doesn't JvF generally refer to Jaedong vs Flash? I've never seen anyone refer to Fantasy's matchups as FvX before.
Alright SK, here we go. Last chance to beat KT in Winners League for quite some time...
Congratulations to OZ on their third place, although I expect that it'll be a while before they can smile about it. I really do think it's a good achievement considering their trouble in the first two rounds.
Can anyone tell me when regular PL is starting up again? I know the WL finals is April 9th, but I can't seem to find info on TL, and I'm not well versed in the korean BW infonets.
On April 07 2011 01:22 micromegas wrote: Can anyone tell me when regular PL is starting up again? I know the WL finals is April 9th, but I can't seem to find info on TL, and I'm not well versed in the korean BW infonets.
the second I find anything about it, I'll let you guys know about it. rest assured.
On April 11 2011 06:07 Simplistik wrote: I very much hope that Round 5 will start next week, but I've got no evidence whatsoever in support of that wish.
Progamer educational seminar is on wed and all-star tournament is on Sun so I think it will start next week.
Khan announced that they will be holding a workshop from 18th-19th April at a pension in gapyeong. Seems like PL won't resume until at least the 22nd, after MSL Ro32.
Proleague Rounds 5 and 6 schedules finally announced! Start marking your calendars, everyone!
Note: All days are in KST, so you might have to convert a day, like Saturday into Friday, depending on your timezone.
Broadcast schedule changes: - OGN has changed their Monday and Tuesday broadcast times from 19:00 KST to 18:00 KST, so Monday and Tuesday matches have been pushed back 1 hour. - MBC Game has changed their Saturday, Sunday, and Wednesday match broadcast times to 13:00 KST, and has also pushed back the Monday and Tuesday match times from 19:00 KST to 18:00 KST. -Tl;dr version: OGN Monday and Tuesday match broadcast times are now at 18:00 KST; MBC Game Saturday, Sunday, and Wednesday match broadcast times are at 13:00 KST and Monday and Tuesday match times are at 18:00 KST.
◎ Week 1 of Round 5: ◇ 4/23 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hite Entus vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Air Force ACE vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◇ 4/24 ◆ @ OGN ▶ STX SouL vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◇ 4/25 ◆ @ OGN ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◇ 4/26 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Air Force ACE vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ WeMade FOX vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◇ 4/27 ◆ @ OGN ▶ STX SouL vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◎ Week 2 of Round 5: ◇ 4/30 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. STX SouL Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◇ 5/1 ◆ @ OGN ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ KT Rolster vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◇ 5/2 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Air Force ACE vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◇ 5/3 ◆ @ OGN ▶ KT Rolster vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ STX SouL vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◇ 5/4 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hite Entus vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◎ Week 3 of Round 5: ◇ 5/7 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Air Force ACE vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◇ 5/8 ◆ @ OGN ▶ WeMade FOX vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◇ 5/9 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ STX SouL vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◇ 5/10 ◆ @ OGN ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ WeMade FOX vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◇ 5/11 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hite Entus vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ STX SouL vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◎ Week 4 of Round 5: ◇ 5/14 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Hite Entus vs. STX SouL Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◇ 5/15 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Air Force ACE vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ KT Rolster vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◇ 5/16 ◆ @ OGN ▶ WeMade FOX vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. STX SouL Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◇ 5/17 ◆ @ OGN ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◇ 5/18 ◆ @ OGN ▶ WeMade FOX vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ KT Rolster vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◎ Week 5 of Round 5: ◇ 5/21 ◆ @ OGN ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◇ 5/22 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. STX SouL Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◇ 5/23 ◆ @ OGN ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◎ Week 1 of Round 6: ◇ 6/5 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hite Entus vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ KT Rolster vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◇ 6/6 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Air Force ACE vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ STX SouL vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◇ 6/7 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Hite Entus vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◇ 6/8 ◆ @ OGN ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. STX SouL Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◎ Week 2 of Round 6: ◇ 6/11 ◆ @ OGN ▶SK Telecom T1 vs. STX SouL Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◇ 6/12 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ KT Rolster vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◇ 6/13 ◆ @ OGN ▶ WeMade FOX vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ STX SouL vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◇ 6/14 ◆ @ OGN ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Air Force ACE vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◇ 6/15 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◆ @ OGN (Not sure this is a mistake in copy and pasting, but yes it did say OGN instead of MBC Game, so it must be broadcasted at a later time) ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◎ Week 3 of Round 6: ◇ 6/18 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ KT Rolster vs. STX SouL Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◇ 6/19 ◆ @ OGN ▶ WeMade FOX vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◇ 6/20 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hite Entus vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◇ 6/21 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Air Force ACE vs. STX SouL Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◇ 6/22 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hite Entus vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ WeMade FOX vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◎ Week 4 of Round 6: ◇ 6/25 ◆ @ OGN ▶ KT Rolster vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◇ 6/26 ◆ @ OGN ▶ STX SouL vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◇ 6/27 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Air Force ACE vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◇ 6/28 ◆ @ OGN ▶ STX SouL vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ KT Rolster vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◇ 6/29 ◆ @ OGN ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◎ Week 5 of Round 6: ◇ 7/2 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◆ @ OGN (Not a mis-copy and paste) ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◇ 7/3 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ WeMade FOX vs. STX SouL Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◇ 7/4 ◆ @ MBC Game ▶Hite Entus vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◇ 7/5 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
If there's any mistakes with the schedules above, do tell so that I can fix them ASAP. I also expect many firstborns offered to me because this took me forever to type up the translations from Korean to English.
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◇ 4/25 ◆ @ OGN ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
Proleague Rounds 5 and 6 schedules finally announced! Start marking your calendars, everyone!
Note: All days are in KST, so you might have to convert a day, like Saturday into Friday, depending on your timezone.
Broadcast schedule changes: - OGN has changed their Monday and Tuesday broadcast times from 19:00 KST to 18:00 KST, so Monday and Tuesday matches have been pushed back 1 hour. - MBC Game has changed their Saturday, Sunday, and Wednesday match broadcast times to 13:00 KST, and has also pushed back the Monday and Tuesday match times from 19:00 KST to 18:00 KST. -Tl;dr version: OGN Monday and Tuesday match broadcast times are now at 18:00 KST; MBC Game Saturday, Sunday, and Wednesday match broadcast times are at 13:00 KST and Monday and Tuesday match times are at 18:00 KST.
◎ Week 1 of Round 5: ◇ 4/23 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hite Entus vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Air Force ACE vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◇ 4/24 ◆ @ OGN ▶ STX SouL vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◇ 4/25 ◆ @ OGN ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◇ 4/26 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Air Force ACE vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ WeMade FOX vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◇ 4/27 ◆ @ OGN ▶ STX SouL vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◎ Week 2 of Round 5: ◇ 4/30 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. STX SouL Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◇ 5/1 ◆ @ OGN ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ KT Rolster vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◇ 5/2 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Air Force ACE vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◇ 5/3 ◆ @ OGN ▶ KT Rolster vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ STX SouL vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◇ 5/4 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hite Entus vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◎ Week 3 of Round 5: ◇ 5/7 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Air Force ACE vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◇ 5/8 ◆ @ OGN ▶ WeMade FOX vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◇ 5/9 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ STX SouL vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◇ 5/10 ◆ @ OGN ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ WeMade FOX vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◇ 5/11 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hite Entus vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ STX SouL vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◎ Week 4 of Round 5: ◇ 5/14 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Hite Entus vs. STX SouL Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◇ 5/15 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Air Force ACE vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ KT Rolster vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◇ 5/16 ◆ @ OGN ▶ WeMade FOX vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. STX SouL Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◇ 5/17 ◆ @ OGN ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◇ 5/18 ◆ @ OGN ▶ WeMade FOX vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ KT Rolster vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◎ Week 5 of Round 5: ◇ 5/21 ◆ @ OGN ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◇ 5/22 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. STX SouL Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◇ 5/23 ◆ @ OGN ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◎ Week 1 of Round 6: ◇ 6/5 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hite Entus vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ KT Rolster vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◇ 6/6 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Air Force ACE vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ STX SouL vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◇ 6/7 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Hite Entus vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◇ 6/8 ◆ @ OGN ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. STX SouL Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◎ Week 2 of Round 6: ◇ 6/11 ◆ @ OGN ▶SK Telecom T1 vs. STX SouL Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◇ 6/12 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ KT Rolster vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◇ 6/13 ◆ @ OGN ▶ WeMade FOX vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ STX SouL vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◇ 6/14 ◆ @ OGN ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Air Force ACE vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◇ 6/15 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◆ @ OGN (Not sure this is a mistake in copy and pasting, but yes it did say OGN instead of MBC Game, so it must be broadcasted at a later time) ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◎ Week 3 of Round 6: ◇ 6/18 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ KT Rolster vs. STX SouL Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◇ 6/19 ◆ @ OGN ▶ WeMade FOX vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◇ 6/20 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hite Entus vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◇ 6/21 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Air Force ACE vs. STX SouL Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◇ 6/22 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hite Entus vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ WeMade FOX vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◎ Week 4 of Round 6: ◇ 6/25 ◆ @ OGN ▶ KT Rolster vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 2 <Circuit Breaker> Set 3 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 4 <Icarus> Set 5 <Neo Aztec> Set 6 <Alternative> Set 7 <La Mancha>
◇ 6/26 ◆ @ OGN ▶ STX SouL vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◇ 6/27 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Air Force ACE vs. Woongjin Stars Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◇ 6/28 ◆ @ OGN ▶ STX SouL vs. Hwaseung OZ Set 1 <La Mancha> Set 2 <Alternative> Set 3 <Neo Aztec> Set 4 <Beltway> Set 5 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 6 <Circuit Breaker> Set 7 <New Bloody Ridge>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ KT Rolster vs. MBC Game HERO Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◇ 6/29 ◆ @ OGN ▶ SK Telecom T1 vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. Hite Entus Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◎ Week 5 of Round 6: ◇ 7/2 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. KT Rolster Set 1 <Beltway> Set 2 <Icarus> Set 3 <Alternative> Set 4 <Neo Aztec> Set 5 <Circuit Breaker> Set 6 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 7 <New Empire of the Sun>
◆ @ OGN (Not a mis-copy and paste) ▶ MBC Game HERO vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <Neo Aztec> Set 2 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 3 <Icarus> Set 4 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 5 <La Mancha> Set 6 <Beltway> Set 7 <Alternative>
◇ 7/3 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Hwaseung OZ vs. Samsung KHAN Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ WeMade FOX vs. STX SouL Set 1 <Alternative> Set 2 <Beltway> Set 3 <Circuit Breaker> Set 4 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 5 <Icarus> Set 6 <La Mancha> Set 7 <Neo Aztec>
◇ 7/4 ◆ @ MBC Game ▶Hite Entus vs. SK Telecom T1 Set 1 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 2 <Neo Aztec> Set 3 <La Mancha> Set 4 <Circuit Breaker> Set 5 <Alternative> Set 6 <Icarus> Set 7 <Beltway>
◇ 7/5 ◆ @ OGN ▶ Woongjin Stars vs. WeMade FOX Set 1 <Circuit Breaker> Set 2 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 3 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 4 <La Mancha> Set 5 <Beltway> Set 6 <Neo Aztec> Set 7 <Icarus>
◆ @ MBC Game ▶ Samsung KHAN vs. Air Force ACE Set 1 <Icarus> Set 2 <La Mancha> Set 3 <Beltway> Set 4 <Alternative> Set 5 <New Bloody Ridge> Set 6 <New Empire of the Sun> Set 7 <Circuit Breaker>
If there's any mistakes with the schedules above, do tell so that I can fix them ASAP. I also expect many firstborns offered to me because this took me forever to type up the translations from Korean to English.
On April 25 2011 16:03 The Intrepid wrote: Despite two rounds of Winners League, OZ is barely holding to 6th place ... Jaedong is fucked. :/
OZ managed to climb one spot this week, courtesy of STX!
Due to KT's loss, SK no longer needs to share the throne.
Yes, but they are still threatened by the likes of ACE. So you know you're still having problems at that point.
I don't think they're threatened nearly as much by ACE now, since there's Oz is currently 18W/20L vs 10W/28L for ACE. Oz is in 5th place now, with the possibility of taking 4th if Khan loses their match and Oz wins their next one, if we're going by set W/L differential, I think.
According to KeSPA's team rankings, some teams have penalties deducted from their point total. Can anyone who can read Korean translate the reason for the penalties? It seems that come teams have multiple offences too but still have 1 point deducted.
On May 16 2011 23:03 Rhaegar99 wrote: According to KeSPA's team rankings, some teams have penalties deducted from their point total. Can anyone who can read Korean translate the reason for the penalties? It seems that come teams have multiple offences too but still have 1 point deducted.
On May 17 2011 15:31 ShadeR wrote: SKT, CJ and KT all have differential above 20 SKT with almost 30. The rest of the pack all negative differential. LOL
Considering that Round 5 will be over soon, it looks like the first three places will be split up between SKT, KT and CJ. That leaves the remaining three playoff places up for grabs to pretty much everyone else but ACE, sadly. Although I have to say that FOX have been looking pretty weak this round.
I thought I read somewhere at the beginning of the season that it was only the top 5 teams since there's only 10 teams now. But that source could've been guessing, wish there was more info on this :c
On May 24 2011 01:49 VGhost wrote: I'm assuming either a 4 or 5 team playoff, but do we know which?
The top 6 teams qualify for play-offs, unless they change the format.
The format will probably be like this:
Match 1: Rank 3 vs Rank 6 Match 2: Rank 4 vs Rank 5
Match 3: Winner Match 1 vs Winner Match 2
Match 4: Rank 2 vs Winner Match 3
Match 5 (Final): Rank 1 vs Winner Match 4
It's a weird format, but it is normally quite tense. Match 5 will be a single series (1x bo7. The others will be two to three series (bo3 x bo7).
Fun fact of the day: SKT is already qualified for the playoffs!
KT needs one more win for a guaranteed ticket.
Yeah, I know it's been like that before... but a playoff with more than half the teams seems a little odd - also WL playoff only had four this year and I think that was different (won't swear to it).
On May 20 2011 08:53 nodule wrote: Wow, just realized KT is 20-4 since end of round 2.
Yeah if it wasn't for their abysmal R1 and R2, they would be miles ahead of the competition in the ranking right now.
More like if it wasn't for Winner's League Format, they'd still be in the dump
Because they've been doing so bad in round 5. oh wait..
Hell even in SWL they didn't even rely on flash for all their wins. In fact, they won 6 games where flash didn't even get to play. Try again.
I didn't say it was all flash. Stats randomly stepped up to all kills. It doesn't change the fact that KT went from being one of the last teams at the start of winners league to being tied for first at the end of it.
Does anyone have the finals format? I know last year's was with 6 teams (and the format is listed in this thread), but that was also when there were more teams playing.
On June 16 2011 15:00 scrubtastic wrote: Does anyone have the finals format? I know last year's was with 6 teams (and the format is listed in this thread), but that was also when there were more teams playing.
So spots 3-6 are basically the same, and whoever is 3rd out of SKT/KT/CJ has to fight it out against 4-6 before touching #2 - heh, sucks for whichever team that happens to be.
Must be pretty nice though for the rest of the pack, fighting for 3 spots instead of, say, 1 spot like the WL playoffs.
Damn Khan is falling apart when it matters most again 3 loss streak. Only reason their still in playoff contention is because woongjin is on a 4 loss streak =S.
SKT, CJ and KT have already qualified, ACE is out. For the other teams, the estimation by pundits is that a 6-3 record this round will be enough to guarantee a play-off spot.
On June 16 2011 16:02 scrubtastic wrote: Ah okay thanks.
So spots 3-6 are basically the same, and whoever is 3rd out of SKT/KT/CJ has to fight it out against 4-6 before touching #2 - heh, sucks for whichever team that happens to be.
won't be skt! i think we only need to win 1 more to shore up a top 2 spot
On June 16 2011 16:02 scrubtastic wrote: Ah okay thanks.
So spots 3-6 are basically the same, and whoever is 3rd out of SKT/KT/CJ has to fight it out against 4-6 before touching #2 - heh, sucks for whichever team that happens to be.
won't be skt! i think we only need to win 1 more to shore up a top 2 spot
with the way Round 6 is going right now, probably KT. SKT and CJ have ridiculous point differentials.
Prognosis: Woongjin has an edge in the race if they can get it together because they have fewer losses (25), as many or more wins (23), and as many or more games (6) than every other team still in contention and more games. Winning five of six gives them a spot for sure. Four will probably do it: three might but 3-3 would be dumb. Rooting Tonight: Woongjin Stars > Samsung KHAN (obviously), Air Force ACE > Wemade FOX (loss for another contender).
Thank you for that. Oz is edging their way into the spot with - what, three games or so still to go before playoffs? I'm hoping for a team other than STX in there (even though nothing is decided yet it seems), but the top three notwithstanding, I think Oz and Wooongjin in the playoffs would be really awesome. I guess that means Woongjin is my second favorite team.
Woongjin Stars Report: Win over KHAN solidified their position in 4th. Games remaining: vs OZ, vs ACE, vs CJ, vs KT, vs FOX. Other games influencing position: KHAN-MBC, KHAN-FOX, STX-OZ, OZ-KHAN, FOX-STX Woongjin's in a good/bad position. With three of remaining 5 being against other contenders, winning those three would give them a playoff spot for sure. Winning two of three might do it. One game against ACE should be a gimme. Woongjin should comfortably go 3-2 the rest of the way and take the 4th spot with a 27-27 record. The next four teams will likely bludgeon each other (though OZ is showing a big edge in determination). MBC is likely out: with only one game remaining against other contenders, they have no way to directly make up distance.
Rooting Tonight: CJ > KT (rather face KT in playoffs, I think), SKT > MBC (ends any practical playoff chances for MBC; if I read this right in only puts them within 1/2 game (I think) of elimination but I don't see them winning out).
the only guy i'd miss from stx is bogus but hell i prefer wemade than stx want to see some 1on 1 baby action and yes i know i'm sick lol but not on expense of oz so stx pls lose ..
can't believe STX is still in playoff contention with the way that they're playing... Oh well I just hope that CJ can catch up to KT and secure that spot in the finals!
News: CJ and SKT continue to pull away. They play each other the last week of the season. With the loss last night KT lost its last shot at the #1 seed. With the loss last night MBC is effectively eliminated though not (I believe) mathematically until they lose again or everyone ahead of them wins two.
Woongjin Stars Report: No changes. MBC dropping is good news.
Rooting Tonight: Woongjin Stars > Hwaseung OZ (because duh), Air Force ACE > STX SouL (damage another contender).
News: Woongjin continues to solidify 4th place. With the loss, OZ is in danger of losing playoff position if WeMade wins over SKT tonight. (If KHAN beats CJ, OZ is still ahead on game differential.) Rooting tonight: Woongjin is comfortably better than all the other teams still in contention for the 4-6 spots. SKT and CJ winning would push WeMade and KHAN closer to elimination; WeMade or KHAN winning might put them in position for playoffs, and as I believe they're weaker than OZ or STX that can't be bad either. In other words, I don't immediately care. At this point, we have to look long-distance: SKT gets more scarier with prep time than CJ does, so I would rather see CJ take down the #1 spot. Rooting: CJ Entus > Samsung KHAN, WeMade FOX > SK Telecom T1.
Playoff Reports: SKT secures 1st place and Grand Finals with: 1 win or 1 CJ loss. CJ places 1st with: 3 wins, SKT loses 3. CJ secures 2nd with 1 win or 1 KT loss KT places 2nd with: 3 wins, CJ loses 3. KT places 3 with 1 loss or 1 CJ win. Woongjin places 4th with 3 wins. KHAN places 4th with: 4 wins, at least two Woongjin losses. OZ, STX, FOX, MBC can all still theoretically make the playoffs as well. Obviously the easiest way to do that is going to be to win out.
Games between playoff contenders: Week 4: Samsung KHAN vs MBCGame HERO, Samsung KHAN vs WeMade FOX, STX SouL vs Hwaseung OZ Week 5: Hwaseung OZ vs Samsung KHAN, WeMade FOX vs STX SouL, Woongjin Stars vs WeMade FOX
Woongjin Stars Report: Finally playing well. This week's opponents: Air Force ACE, CJ Entus. 1-1 on the week will likely secure a playoff spot. 2-0 should secure 4th place.
* With the end of the week I double-checked the standings. As best I can figure out, the result of MBCGame HERO vs STX SouL was left off the standing chart published here before Week 3.
Rooting interest tonight: KT Rolster > WeMade FOX, MBCGame HERO > Samsung KHAN. In both cases, reason: keep the competition for Woongjin's spot as badly-off as possible.
News: MBCGame HERO is eliminated. KT Rolster places 3rd. Woongjin Stars Report: Samsung KHAN is making a strong push at the end; Woongjin has to win as many as possible. Rooting Tonight: CJ Entus > STX SouL, SK Telecom T1 > Hwaseung OZ
So, let me get this straight. The only way CJ can take the grand final spot is if they win all remaining games, SKT loses all their remaining games AND CJ wins their games with a big enough margin to get a higher game differential then SKT?
On June 26 2011 00:14 Vazze wrote: So, let me get this straight. The only way CJ can take the grand final spot is if they win all remaining games, SKT loses all their remaining games AND CJ wins their games with a big enough margin to get a higher game differential then SKT?
I think SKT has the grand final spot secured
There is no margin requirement. If CJ wins out and SKT loses out then in the worse case scenario (for CJ) CJ has a +42 game differential and SKT has a +38 game differential. So if CJ wins out and SKT loses out they automatically have the differential advantage and thus the tiebreaker vs SKT. SKT still has a magic number of 1.
On June 26 2011 00:14 Vazze wrote: So, let me get this straight. The only way CJ can take the grand final spot is if they win all remaining games, SKT loses all their remaining games AND CJ wins their games with a big enough margin to get a higher game differential then SKT?
I think SKT has the grand final spot secured
There is no margin requirement. If CJ wins out and SKT loses out then in the worse case scenario (for CJ) CJ has a +42 game differential and SKT has a +38 game differential. So if CJ wins out and SKT loses out they automatically have the differential advantage and thus the tiebreaker vs SKT. SKT still has a magic number of 1.
Oh, didn't know that CJ and SKT haven't played eachother this round. Would be pretty epic to have a tiebreaker of that caliber as a final regular season game. Although I prefer SKT to secure grand final spot as soon as possible
Your wish has been granted Vazze. The first three spots are now set in stone.
No ranking changes today. STX missed their chance to go past OZ and FOX. Those three teams are very close. FOX boosted their chances by winning yesterday. They've also got a game in hand. Stars will probably be fine. KHAN has to be careful, but it's in their hands.
Your game score totals for WeMade, STX SouL, KT Rolster, SKT1 and MBCgame seem to be off by one.
WeMade vs. Khan tomorrow is going to be big and it is so hard for me to choose who to root for. I like WeMade's players so much, Roro, Baby, Wooki and even Shine by now On the other hand we have Jangbi and SBG. I want Oz, Khan and WeMade to make the playoffs. Too bad that one or two of them has to not make it.
I also like STX but I don't think they would deserve the playoffs because their performance over the season was not satisfying. They have Bogus, a slumping Kal and that's it. I don't even know how they managed to get as many wins as Wemade and Oz.
On February 18 2011 16:33 evilfatsh1t wrote: SKTs demerits came from one of their players being late on the 3rd set against MBC + hyuk not wearing his headset when the game started (round 1) KT - stats wrote "g" instead of "gg", tempest wrote "ggg" instead of "gg", action wrote "ㅎㅎ" which is what happens when you type "gg" with the korean keyboard MBC - sea was using his mouse when the game was paused, jaehoon type "ㅈㅈ" which is the korean way of saying "gg" (different to actions mistake where in this case "ㅈㅈ" actually sounds like "gg") STX - kal typed "g" instead of "gg", and "김성현" whoever the hell he is was also using his mouse in pause. if someone could tell me who the 2nd guy is ill edit this post wemadefox - lucifer typed "gg]" and "김준호" one of the zerg players typed "g"
Woongjin Stars Report: With OZ and STX losing last night, Woongjin needs to win one match in their remaining four to make the playoffs. They play ACE, CJ, KT, and FOX and should go 2-2 (win over ACE, loss to CJ, one win and one loss to KT and FOX but I'm not sure which will be which).
Other playoff scenarios: Woongjin, KHAN, and WeMade all control their own destinies right now. Woongjin secures a spot with a win tonight: even with a loss they remain in fourth with the easiest path. If KHAN wins tonight vs FOX, Woongjin and KHAN take the 4th and 5th spots barring miracles. STX would control their own destiny since they have matches against OZ and Wemade remaining. If FOX wins, they takes the upper hand and likely only need to win one more to secure a spot. KHAN would keep an edge in match record but would lose the tiebreaker (if necessary) to OZ.
Rooting tonight: Woongjin Stars > Air Force ACE (sorry guys), Samsung KHAN > WeMade FOX (gives the best chance for Woongjin even if they screw up). (On the other hand, a Stars win and a FOX win gives Woongjin a playoff seed straight up.)
Thanks VGhost, your updates of the playoff situation are much appreciated. Your Woongjin Reports have been even more appreciated ^^ . Assuming a disaster doesn't occur, it's going to be really cool seeing Stars in the playoffs again. (After missing them for so many years)
News: Well, Woongjin faceplanted (surprise?), and Samsung continues to win. Apparently MBC isn't eliminated after all.
Remaining Games vs Contenders: WJN plays FOX. KHAN plays OZ. OZ plays KHAN and STX. FOX plays WJN and STX. STX plays OZ and FOX.
Playoff Scenarios: WJN and KHAN each need one win to clinch a playoff spot. At least one of WJN and KHAN will make the playoffs. STX controls their own destiny (vs OZ, vs FOX). If they lose either match they are eliminated on game differential. If they win out, WJN, KHAN, STX make the playoffs. OZ and FOX play independently of each other for the remaining matches. OZ currently holds the tiebreaker edge by two games. WJN, KHAN, OZ, and FOX could all finish at 25-29. KHAN currently is five games behind WJN in the game differential tiebreaker. MBC must win out to make the playoffs, together with not better than 1-1 from OZ, FOX, and STX, and a lot of help from game differential.
Rooting tonight: No real rooting interest as far as Stars-fandom is concerned. Hwaseung OZ > STX SouL eliminates STX on game differential. KT Rolster vs MBCGame HERO is MBC's last chance. So I'll just go with personal preference: Hwaseung OZ > STX SouL, MBCGame HERO > KT Rolster. /irrational Killer and Jaehoon fandom
On February 18 2011 16:33 evilfatsh1t wrote: SKTs demerits came from one of their players being late on the 3rd set against MBC + hyuk not wearing his headset when the game started (round 1) KT - stats wrote "g" instead of "gg", tempest wrote "ggg" instead of "gg", action wrote "ㅎㅎ" which is what happens when you type "gg" with the korean keyboard MBC - sea was using his mouse when the game was paused, jaehoon type "ㅈㅈ" which is the korean way of saying "gg" (different to actions mistake where in this case "ㅈㅈ" actually sounds like "gg") STX - kal typed "g" instead of "gg", and "김성현" whoever the hell he is was also using his mouse in pause. if someone could tell me who the 2nd guy is ill edit this post wemadefox - lucifer typed "gg]" and "김준호" one of the zerg players typed "g"
News: Well, Woongjin faceplanted (surprise?), and Samsung continues to win.
Playoff Scenarios: WJN and KHAN each need one more win to secure a playoff spot for sure. Both have games remaining against contenders (WJN vs FOX, KHAN vs OZ). Stars' other games are CJ and KT: KHAN faces ACE. At least one of WJN and KHAN will make the playoffs. FOX, OZ, and STX all need to win out to make the playoffs. STX controls their own destiny (vs OZ, vs FOX). If they win either match, they eliminate the opposing team. If they lose either match they are eliminated. If they win out, WJN, KHAN, STX ageing make the playoffs. OZ has the hardest remaining schedule to qualify on, playing KHAN and STX. A loss to either eliminates them. FOX also has it tough, playing WJN and STX. A loss to either eliminates them. OZ and FOX could both win out. OZ currently holds the tiebreaker edge by two games. WJN, KHAN, OZ, and FOX could all finish at 25-29. KHAN currently is five games behind WJN and in this scenario would almost certainly be the team eliminated.
Rooting tonight: No real rooting interest. STX SouL > Hwaseung OZ eliminates OZ and increases Woongjin's already good odds since STX currently has the worst game differential; Hwaseung OZ > STX SouL eliminates STX. MBCGame HERO vs KT Rolster doesn't matter at all.
pretty sure your analysis is wrong. if STX > OZ, then OZ > KHAN, and FOX > STX, OZ will be ahead of STX.
neither STX, OZ or FOX can be eliminated for certain in 1 match.
Edit: you're right sorry STX cannot lose due to their record.
News: Well, Woongjin faceplanted (surprise?), and Samsung continues to win.
Playoff Scenarios: WJN and KHAN each need one more win to secure a playoff spot for sure. Both have games remaining against contenders (WJN vs FOX, KHAN vs OZ). Stars' other games are CJ and KT: KHAN faces ACE. At least one of WJN and KHAN will make the playoffs. FOX, OZ, and STX all need to win out to make the playoffs. STX controls their own destiny (vs OZ, vs FOX). If they win either match, they eliminate the opposing team. If they lose either match they are eliminated. If they win out, WJN, KHAN, STX make the playoffs. OZ has the hardest remaining schedule to qualify on, playing KHAN and STX. A loss to either eliminates them. FOX also has it tough, playing WJN and STX. A loss to either eliminates them. OZ and FOX could both win out. OZ currently holds the tiebreaker edge by two games. WJN, KHAN, OZ, and FOX could all finish at 25-29. KHAN currently is five games behind WJN and in this scenario would almost certainly be the team eliminated.
Rooting tonight: No real rooting interest. STX SouL > Hwaseung OZ eliminates OZ and increases Woongjin's already good odds since STX currently has the worst game differential; Hwaseung OZ > STX SouL eliminates STX. MBCGame HERO vs KT Rolster doesn't matter at all.
pretty sure your analysis is wrong. if STX > OZ, then OZ > KHAN, and FOX > STX, OZ will be ahead of STX.
neither STX, OZ or FOX can be eliminated for certain in 1 match.
Oh, point. Although STX is actually eliminated if they lose because their win differential is so very damn bad. Let me re-run figures and edit.
Woojin Stars: need 1 win OR 1 loss from two of Oz, STX, WMF OR game diff remaining schedules: CJ, KT, WMF
Samsung: need 1 win OR 1 loss from two of Oz, STX, WMF OR game diff remaining schedule: Oz, ACE
>>> If Woojin and Samsung lose all their games then they fight it out on game differential with any other teams that may have 25 wins. Both SamSung and Woojin will lose based on game diff to Oz and WMF in that case. They may beat out each other. >>>Samsung starts -5 game diff to Woojin, but Woojin has 3 games to take a possible severe beating.
Oz: 2 wins and game diff if WMF wins out OR at least 1 loss from both WMF and STX and game differential remaining schedule: STX, Khan
STX: 2 wins remaining schedulle: Oz, WMF
WMF: 2 wins and game diff if Oz wins out OR at least 1 loss from both Oz and STX and game differential remaining schedule: STX, WJS
>>> if STX loses one game, they are worse than WMF or Oz by game differential barring penalty points. >>> if STX wins out they eliminate both WMF and Oz >>> Oz starts off with a +2 game diff over WMF.
MBCgame: 2 wins and at least 1 loss from all of Oz, STX, WeMade and game differential remaining schedule: KT, ACE >>> MBC starts off -5 game diff to Oz and -3 game diff to WeMade.
edit 1: > Oh yeah, at least 1 loss from two of Oz, STX, WMF translates to any Oz or WMF loss. So either of Samsung or Woojin can secure playoffs for both of them by beating Oz and WMF respectively. STX can do the same by beating either of the teams.
On June 28 2011 08:20 vishrut wrote: when you are making this analysis. do you just write a computer program or do it by yourself. it would be really hard to do by yourself
I do it by myself, which is why I keep making mistakes. I can't speak for other people.
On June 28 2011 08:20 vishrut wrote: when you are making this analysis. do you just write a computer program or do it by yourself. it would be really hard to do by yourself
Testing for the possibility of playoffs is easy enough with a monte-carlo method and enough trials, but that's not very valuable. But for playoff scenarios, it'd be fairly difficult write a program that gets the logic correct AND gives meaningful breakdowns.
It's certainly possible and would be an interesting exercise. Unfortunately, you have to feed in the remaining schedule so always takes a bit of data entry. PL playoffs happen twice a year so it's not very useful, and most playoff scenarios aren't that complicated. Usually, it's three or four teams and simple.
Proleague is really imbalanced at the moment. The top 3 are so far ahead of the rest. 2 rounds of WL was probably too much. I hope they revert back to the 5 round (including 1 WL) format next season.
If there wasn't Winners League, ACE would have made it to the play-offs. :O I am wondering if next season will have two rounds of WL.
Anyway, I would like these 4 to advance : - WMF because that disbanding rumor scares the shit ouf of me - Khan because I want to see the Stork / Jangbi duo to do well, and because I wanna see January trolling playoffs line-ups - Woongjin, because they have a great and deep line up, too bad Woongjin players are rather inconsistent. - Hwaseung Oz because JD is on a killing spree, but unfortunately his teammates still suck (although Hiya played really well against Bisu), so unless they hurry to recruit PirateZerg and MoustacheZerg, they have literally no chance.
With todays match STX beats OZ 4-1 and OZ is officially eliminated from any chance for the playoff.
KHAN is 100% in with 5th/6th place secured even if they lose both of their games and even got a chance for 4th if they win their remaining games and WJN start a losing streak.
Only STX and WMF got a chance for 6th spot where WMF needs to win 2 matches against STX and WJN and STX just needs to win their last game against WMF.
While doing nothing themselves, Khan and Stars are now secure in their playoff spot thanks to STX's victory over Oz. MBC is eliminated by their loss to KT.
The key set is still WMF vs STX. If STX wins, they are in. If WMF wins against both STX and Stars, they are in. Oz still has a chance if WMF beats STX but loses to Stars.
News: MBCGame HERO is actually eliminated this time.
Remaining: WJN plays FOX. KHAN plays OZ. OZ plays KHAN. FOX plays WJN and STX. STX plays FOX.
Playoffs: 1. If STX > FOX, WJN, KHAN, STX make the playoffs. 2. If FOX > STX, STX is eliminated. 3. If 2 and FOX > WJN, WJN, KHAN, FOX make the playoffs 4. If 2 and WJN > FOX, WJN, KHAN, make the playoffs. 5. If 4 and KHAN > OZ, FOX makes the playoffs. 6. If 4 and OZ > KHAN, OZ or FOX makes the playoffs on game differential.
tl;dr: WJN, KHAN are in. The winner of STX vs FOX makes the playoffs, unless: OZ > KHAN, WJN > FOX > STX and OZ ends up with a better game differential than FOX, in which case OZ make the playoffs.
Rooting Tonight: Air Force ACE > SK Telecom T1 (doesn't matter - let's go ACE!); Woongjin Stars > CJ Entus (please!)
On June 28 2011 22:22 Kipsate wrote: Does woongjins match matter?
If they win, it means they are at worst 5th, and only Khan can surpass them. If they lose (would have to lose the 2 remaining matches too, Khan win at least one, and: 1) STX win last match, both that and WJN losses with big differences or 2) FOX win 2 remaining matches) that could lead them to 6th place. So not really.
News: MBCGame HERO is actually eliminated this time.
Remaining: WJN plays FOX. KHAN plays OZ. OZ plays KHAN. FOX plays WJN and STX. STX plays FOX.
Playoffs: 1. If STX > FOX, WJN, KHAN, STX make the playoffs. 2. If FOX > STX, STX is eliminated. 3. If 2 and FOX > KHAN, WJN, KHAN, FOX make the playoffs 4. If 2 and WJN > FOX, WJN, KHAN, make the playoffs. 5. If 4 and KHAN > OZ, FOX makes the playoffs. 6. If 4 and OZ > KHAN, OZ or FOX makes the playoffs on game differential.
tl;dr: WJN, KHAN are in. The winner of STX vs FOX makes the playoffs, unless: OZ > KHAN, WJN > FOX > STX and OZ ends up with a better game differential than FOX, in which case OZ make the playoffs.
Rooting Tonight: Air Force ACE > SK Telecom T1 (doesn't matter - let's go ACE!); Woongjin Stars > CJ Entus (please!)
So even if STX beats WJN 4-0 and KHAN beats FOX, they're out if they lose to FOX? :O.
On June 28 2011 23:31 ZeaL. wrote: So even if STX beats WJN 4-0 and KHAN beats FOX, they're out if they lose to FOX? :O.
STX has only one set left and it's against FOX. If they lose to FOX they are out. FOX plays against Woojin in the other game not KHAN. Oz plays against Khan.
I think you're a bit confused about the remaining schedule.
Games that matter for playoffs. Woojin vs Fox; STX vs Fox; Oz vs Khan Games that matter for seeding: Khan vs Ace; Woojin vs CJ; Woojin vs KT
Khan and Woojin are most likely playing each other. Likewise one of Oz/Fox/STX is likely to play KT.
That's it. Everything else is meaningless. SKT can go undefeated in a round again for bragging rights.
On June 28 2011 23:31 ZeaL. wrote: So even if STX beats WJN 4-0 and KHAN beats FOX, they're out if they lose to FOX? :O.
STX has only one set left and it's against FOX. If they lose to FOX they are out. FOX plays against Woojin in the other game not KHAN. Oz plays against Khan.
I think you're a bit confused about the remaining schedule.
Games that matter for playoffs. Woojin vs Fox; STX vs Fox; Oz vs Khan Games that matter for seeding: Khan vs Ace; Woojin vs CJ; Woojin vs KT
Khan and Woojin are most likely playing each other. Likewise one of Oz/Fox/STX is likely to play KT.
That's it. Everything else is meaningless. SKT can go undefeated in a round again for bragging rights.
Oh I misread it -_-. Got it clear now. And sigh, SKT fans being SKT fans...
News: MBCGame HERO is actually eliminated this time.
Remaining: WJN plays FOX. KHAN plays OZ. OZ plays KHAN. FOX plays WJN and STX. STX plays FOX.
Playoffs: 1. If STX > FOX, WJN, KHAN, STX make the playoffs. 2. If FOX > STX, STX is eliminated. 3. If 2 and FOX > KHAN, WJN, KHAN, FOX make the playoffs 4. If 2 and WJN > FOX, WJN, KHAN, make the playoffs. 5. If 4 and KHAN > OZ, FOX makes the playoffs. 6. If 4 and OZ > KHAN, OZ or FOX makes the playoffs on game differential.
tl;dr: WJN, KHAN are in. The winner of STX vs FOX makes the playoffs, unless: OZ > KHAN, WJN > FOX > STX and OZ ends up with a better game differential than FOX, in which case OZ make the playoffs.
Rooting Tonight: Air Force ACE > SK Telecom T1 (doesn't matter - let's go ACE!); Woongjin Stars > CJ Entus (please!)
So even if STX beats WJN 4-0 and KHAN beats FOX, they're out if they lose to FOX? :O.
Sorry about that! I had a typo in my write-up on (3), wrote FOX > KHAN instead of (as is now corrected) FOX > WJN. Apologies for the confusion.
On June 28 2011 17:16 Ryo wrote: Proleague is really imbalanced at the moment. The top 3 are so far ahead of the rest. 2 rounds of WL was probably too much. I hope they revert back to the 5 round (including 1 WL) format next season.
Both SKT and CJ were only 10-8 during the two rounds of WL. It was KTFlash and Jaedong Oz who took advantage of it.
On June 28 2011 17:21 endy wrote: If there wasn't Winners League, ACE would have made it to the play-offs. :O I am wondering if next season will have two rounds of WL.
Yea, I would like to see WL reduced to one round (or even shorter) as well. The teams are in such a state that it overwhelmingly favors the larger, stronger teams.
On June 28 2011 22:13 VGhost wrote: *1. SKT 37-15 +43 (2) *2. CJ 34-18 +41 (2) *3. KT 32-21 +19 (1) 4. WJN 25-26 -5 (3) 5. KHAN 25-27 -10 (2) --- 6. STX 24-29 -13 (1) --- 7. FOX 23-29 -9 (2) 8. OZ 23-30 -10 (1) --- 9. MBC 22-31 -14 (1) 10. ACE 16-35 -42 (3)
News: MBCGame HERO is actually eliminated this time.
Remaining: WJN plays FOX. KHAN plays OZ. OZ plays KHAN. FOX plays WJN and STX. STX plays FOX.
Playoffs: 1. If STX > FOX, WJN, KHAN, STX make the playoffs. 2. If FOX > STX, STX is eliminated. 3. If 2 and FOX > WJN, WJN, KHAN, FOX make the playoffs 4. If 2 and WJN > FOX, WJN, KHAN, make the playoffs. 5. If 4 and KHAN > OZ, FOX makes the playoffs. 6. If 4 and OZ > KHAN, OZ or FOX makes the playoffs on game differential.
tl;dr: WJN, KHAN are in. The winner of STX vs FOX makes the playoffs, unless: OZ > KHAN, WJN > FOX > STX and OZ ends up with a better game differential than FOX, in which case OZ make the playoffs.
Rooting Tonight: Air Force ACE > SK Telecom T1 (doesn't matter - let's go ACE!); Woongjin Stars > CJ Entus (please!)
mbc looks like they could make it if oz loses and mbc wins and they make up the differential. As in oz loses 4-2 and mbc wins 4-1
Remaining: WJN plays FOX. KHAN plays OZ. OZ plays KHAN. FOX plays WJN and STX. STX plays FOX.
Playoffs: 1. If STX > FOX, WJN, KHAN, STX make the playoffs. 2. If FOX > STX, STX is eliminated. 3. If 2 and FOX > WJN, WJN, KHAN, FOX make the playoffs 4. If 2 and WJN > FOX, WJN, KHAN, make the playoffs. 5. If 4 and KHAN > OZ, FOX makes the playoffs. 6. If 4 and OZ > KHAN, OZ or FOX makes the playoffs on game differential.
tl;dr: WJN, KHAN are in. The winner of STX vs FOX makes the playoffs, unless: OZ > KHAN, WJN > FOX > STX and OZ ends up with a better game differential than FOX, in which case OZ make the playoffs.
On June 30 2011 20:53 telamascope wrote: I feel like Oz has been in this position before...
but at least Stars are in!
yeah and everytime its jaedong thats stepping up and killer hiya perfectman and lomo do shit i'm so happy most of them lost in the msl preliminaries maybe now they'll work for the playoff
I think we should all support Fox making the playoffs. Rumors have it that they're contemplating on disbanding already. Making the playoffs and possibly winning a round or two would definitely be a boost to their fan base.
On July 01 2011 01:24 SkyLegenD wrote: I think we should all support Fox making the playoffs. Rumors have it that they're contemplating on disbanding already. Making the playoffs and possibly winning a round or two would definitely be a boost to their fan base.
Yee, I've been rooting for Fox ever since that rumor emerged. There's a couple scenarios where fox makes it even if they lose to woongjin, but if it means Stars have to take a loss for WmF to make it, I guess I wouldn't mind :x
On June 28 2011 17:16 Ryo wrote: Proleague is really imbalanced at the moment. The top 3 are so far ahead of the rest. 2 rounds of WL was probably too much. I hope they revert back to the 5 round (including 1 WL) format next season.
Since there's 10 teams now I doubt they'll go back to 5 rounds, since they still want to saturate with ~54 matches per team. (9 opponents x 6 rounds, vs 11 opponents x 5 rounds before the contraction.)
But as long as we're fantasizing about changes to the PL format...how about back to Bo5? Or a schedule where each team plays only once a week at most, so that the players' workload is lighter and the greater prep time for matches leads to higher quality games?
On June 28 2011 17:16 Ryo wrote: Proleague is really imbalanced at the moment. The top 3 are so far ahead of the rest. 2 rounds of WL was probably too much. I hope they revert back to the 5 round (including 1 WL) format next season.
Since there's 10 teams now I doubt they'll go back to 5 rounds, since they still want to saturate with ~54 matches per team. (9 opponents x 6 rounds, vs 11 opponents x 5 rounds before the contraction.)
But as long as we're fantasizing about changes to the PL format...how about back to Bo5? Or a schedule where each team plays only once a week at most, so that the players' workload is lighter and the greater prep time for matches leads to higher quality games?
Hahahahahahaha, who am I kidding?
If it's 6 rounds and once a week, then each season would last 14 months after taking into account the breaks between rounds.
I don't want a 5-game series; I want my Bo7 because it gives teams the chance to showcase their depth; and less all-kills to boot; makes them much more valuable.
On July 01 2011 07:28 nbaker wrote: Yes, bring back Bo5 please. I miss ace matches
bo7 is way better because team depth is way more important that way i think it's better for other reasons as well, but bo5 did not provide enough opportunities for players to play
The Bo7 format is definitely better. Two rounds of Winners League was too much though. I would guess that we'll see some changes for the next season, but it seems difficult to predict what will happen.
On July 01 2011 15:22 Simplistik wrote: The Bo7 format is definitely better. Two rounds of Winners League was too much though. I would guess that we'll see some changes for the next season, but it seems difficult to predict what will happen.
On July 01 2011 15:22 Simplistik wrote: The Bo7 format is definitely better. Two rounds of Winners League was too much though. I would guess that we'll see some changes for the next season, but it seems difficult to predict what will happen.
Why? What is wrong with winners league?
Winners league can sometimes look as if it's not a team league, but just aces duking it out. Also, even in the shortest "normal" format match we get to see at least 4 players from both teams. In Winners League sometimes you only get to see one or two players for several matches in a row. I like watching teams field a multitude of players who all have their own strengths, weaknesses and personalities.
When Winners League came around this season I quite enjoyed it initially. But at the beginning of Round 5 I really wanted the normal format back. Maybe they should not have two rounds in a row.
Remaining: WJN plays FOX. KHAN plays OZ. OZ plays KHAN. FOX plays WJN and STX. STX plays FOX.
Playoffs: 1. If STX > FOX, WJN, KHAN, STX make the playoffs. 2. If FOX > STX, STX is eliminated. 3. If 2 and FOX > WJN, WJN, KHAN, FOX make the playoffs 4. If 2 and WJN > FOX, WJN, KHAN, make the playoffs. 5. If 4 and KHAN > OZ, FOX makes the playoffs. 6. If 4 and OZ > KHAN, OZ or FOX makes the playoffs on game differential.
tl;dr: WJN, KHAN are in. The winner of STX vs FOX makes the playoffs, unless: OZ > KHAN, WJN > FOX > STX and OZ ends up with a better game differential than FOX, in which case OZ make the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
Woongjin Stars Report: Well they played somebody's B-team and stomped them. This is much better than the last lol-tastic match vs CJ Entus. At the same time, probable opponent KHAN is a much scarier proposition right now than KT, even if we're talking A-team lineups.
Speaking of which...
Tonight is for all the marbles. Or at least all the non-playoff marbles. OZ needs to win, and win big. Meanwhile, STX plays to clinch, while FOX plays for one last shot.
Woongjin's rooting interests: I'll be perfectly honest. We don't want to play KHAN in the first round. For that to happen, Samsung needs to drop its last two games, and STX or FOX needs to win out. So I'm rooting for OZ to beat KHAN (unlikely as that seems), and FOX over STX since WeMade has a better shot at winning the game differential tiebreaker. Also I'd rather play Mind and Shine and RorO than Bogus and Calm and Kal, whatever their current form says. (And finally, I want to see FOX win because if we can't avoid playing KHAN anyway I want to see OZ make the playoffs and if STX wins tonight that's impossible.)
I like winner's league. Still, it's strange that it would count towards the overall score. I want to see it as a separate event of its own, but that's basically what STX cup is.
For the Khan vs. Ace match January should seriously consider losing against Ace on purpose. KT seems much weaker than Woongjin Starts atm. KT has an injured Flash, an okayish Stats and not much else, Stars with Soulkey, Light with his improved TvP and Zero seem like a much tougher opponent.
On July 03 2011 20:24 Fenrax wrote: Oz playoffs without JD is just wrong
For the Khan vs. Ace match January should seriously consider losing against Ace on purpose. KT seems much weaker than Woongjin Starts atm. KT has an injured Flash, an okayish Stats and not much else, Stars with Soulkey, Light with his improved TvP and Zero seem like a much tougher opponent.
I'm fine with that. Stars vs STX gives Woongjin a better chance to advance as well.
I'm happy Stars is playing Khan first round rather than STX. They should be able to advance and then I want to see Zero take down Flash for revenge in the Ro4!
On July 10 2011 17:23 domane wrote: My third year watching PL and I still dislike the playoff format.
But it is difficult to change as long as they allow six teams into post-season.
I also doubt KeSPA would ever change the core format, regardless of the number of teams.
The only thing I don't like is how the 1st team gets an automatic seed to the finals, but given the amount of teams, there is very little they can do. I hope the rumors about Fox are untrue, because I don't know what they can do with a lower amount of teams.
There are 10 teams in PL, so it wouldn't be weird if the top 5 teams advanced to post-season. The result would be one less round (four is a bit long, no?) and the elimination of the semi final seed:
Quarter Final A: 2nd vs 5th Quarter Final B: 3rd vs 4th
V
Semi Final: Winner (A) vs Winner (B)
V
Grand Final: 1st vs Winner of Semi Final
Currently the 3rd to 6th place teams have beyond a dismal chance of winning the championship. A team could fight through three rounds (!) and make it to the Grand Final. However, they become so worn out and studied to death by that point that they get demolished by the 1st place team. Even the Masters of the Universe couldn't get it done last year.
The majority of the league shouldn't be in the playoffs. The above format provides some relief to lower seeded teams.
The grand final seed almost hands the championship to the 1st place team - it interferes with the spirit of competition. If only the top 4 teams were allowed to participate in the playoffs, there would be one less reason to maintain the seed.
Semi Final A: 1st vs 4th Semi Final B: 2nd vs 3rd
V
Grand Final: Winner (A) vs Winner (B)
PL is a far cry from MLB, NBA, and other major professional sports leagues (no ticket sales, minimal profit from merchandise sales). The weaker teams would be left in the dust year after year. They would receive less publicity and their sponsors would have less incentive to continue supporting them.
But if 10 teams were to become 8 without causing the league to fall under, it might work.
I rather dislike the direct seeding to the final. The fans of the first placed team hardly get to see their team during the playoffs. I think I'd prefer it like this:
Match 1: 6th vs 3rd Match 2: 4th vs 5th
Match 3: Match 1 winner vs 2nd Match 4: Match 2 winner vs 1st
On July 11 2011 15:39 Simplistik wrote: I rather dislike the direct seeding to the final. The fans of the first placed team hardly get to see their team during the playoffs. I think I'd prefer it like this:
Match 1: 6th vs 3rd Match 2: 4th vs 5th
Match 3: Match 1 winner vs 2nd Match 4: Match 2 winner vs 1st
Match 5 (final): Match 3 winner vs Match 4 winner
In that case you should give the first a 1 point lead in the match, the same way you do when in a dual elimination tournament the winner of the losers bracket meets the winner of the winners bracket. Otherwise there is not advantage at all to finish first.
On July 11 2011 15:39 Simplistik wrote: I rather dislike the direct seeding to the final. The fans of the first placed team hardly get to see their team during the playoffs. I think I'd prefer it like this:
Match 1: 6th vs 3rd Match 2: 4th vs 5th
Match 3: Match 1 winner vs 2nd Match 4: Match 2 winner vs 1st
Match 5 (final): Match 3 winner vs Match 4 winner
In that case you should give the first a 1 point lead in the match, the same way you do when in a dual elimination tournament the winner of the losers bracket meets the winner of the winners bracket. Otherwise there is not advantage at all to finish first.
Maybe the higher seed gets to choose maps or gets to thumb down more maps on a larger pool of maps to choose from?
What Simplistik proposed is essentially the NFL playoffs format without the home field advantage.
On July 11 2011 15:39 Simplistik wrote: I rather dislike the direct seeding to the final. The fans of the first placed team hardly get to see their team during the playoffs. I think I'd prefer it like this:
Match 1: 6th vs 3rd Match 2: 4th vs 5th
Match 3: Match 1 winner vs 2nd Match 4: Match 2 winner vs 1st
Match 5 (final): Match 3 winner vs Match 4 winner
In that case you should give the first a 1 point lead in the match, the same way you do when in a dual elimination tournament the winner of the losers bracket meets the winner of the winners bracket. Otherwise there is not advantage at all to finish first.
Maybe the higher seed gets to choose maps or gets to thumb down more maps on a larger pool of maps to choose from?
What Simplistik proposed is essentially the NFL playoffs format without the home field advantage.
The NFL has a 16 game regular season, though, while PL had 54 this season. They need the stronger seed advantages to keep up interest for 54 regular season games.
On July 11 2011 15:39 Simplistik wrote: I rather dislike the direct seeding to the final. The fans of the first placed team hardly get to see their team during the playoffs. I think I'd prefer it like this:
Match 1: 6th vs 3rd Match 2: 4th vs 5th
Match 3: Match 1 winner vs 2nd Match 4: Match 2 winner vs 1st
Match 5 (final): Match 3 winner vs Match 4 winner
In that case you should give the first a 1 point lead in the match, the same way you do when in a dual elimination tournament the winner of the losers bracket meets the winner of the winners bracket. Otherwise there is not advantage at all to finish first.
Maybe the higher seed gets to choose maps or gets to thumb down more maps on a larger pool of maps to choose from?
What Simplistik proposed is essentially the NFL playoffs format without the home field advantage.
The NFL has a 16 game regular season, though, while PL had 54 this season. They need the stronger seed advantages to keep up interest for 54 regular season games.
MLB/NHL/NBA all have much longer seasons. Of course, MLB has a smaller postseason, while NHL/NBA first rounds are mostly ridiculous.
On July 12 2011 01:09 VGhost wrote: MLB/NHL/NBA all have much longer seasons. Of course, MLB has a smaller postseason, while NHL/NBA first rounds are mostly ridiculous.
NFL has 1:16 ps-rs ratio (post season is max 4 games - 1/4 of season) MLB has 5:162 or 7:162 ps-rs ratio NBA/NHL has 7:82 (4 rounds = 28 games max > 1/3 of season - LOL)
SPL has 3:54 game ratio
MLB has the flukiest post season series by ratio while NBA and NHL are the most steady. NBA games are far more predictable NHL games though. SPL is on par with NFL except when a single 7-set decides the winner in the Grand Finals.
On July 12 2011 12:39 djbhINDI wrote: When is day 3 for KT vs STX?
It starts in about 5 hours (from when this most is made) at around 18:00 KST. I'm looking for an LR thread, but it seems that it hasn't been made yet. D=
On July 12 2011 01:09 VGhost wrote: MLB/NHL/NBA all have much longer seasons. Of course, MLB has a smaller postseason, while NHL/NBA first rounds are mostly ridiculous.
NFL has 1:16 ps-rs ratio (post season is max 4 games - 1/4 of season) MLB has 5:162 or 7:162 ps-rs ratio NBA/NHL has 7:82 (4 rounds = 28 games max > 1/3 of season - LOL)
SPL has 3:54 game ratio
MLB has the flukiest post season series by ratio while NBA and NHL are the most steady. NBA games are far more predictable NHL games though. SPL is on par with NFL except when a single 7-set decides the winner in the Grand Finals.
Not sure where you're going with this?
NFL Teams: 12 teams out of 32 = 3:8 (> 1:3). Games: 16 game season. Playoffs are 4 games. 1:4.
MLB Teams: 8 teams out of 30 = 4:15 (> 1:4). Games: 162 game season. Playoffs are 3 rounds. At least 12 and up to 21 games. Assume an average of 18 (probably high). 1. (Somewhere between 1:13 and 1:8)
NBA/NHL Teams: 16 teams out of 32 = 1:2 Games: 82 game season. Playoffs are 4 rounds. At least 16 and up to 28 games. Assume an average of 24 (probably high). 2:7. (Somewhere between 1:5 and 1:3)
In comparison, SPL Teams: 6 teams out of 10 = 3:5 (Was 6 of 12.) Games: 54 match season. (Was 55.) Playoffs are 4 rounds. At least 7 and up to 9 matches. Assume an average of 8 (no idea). 1:7. (Somewhere between 1:8 and 1:6)
TBH while I love the thundering conclusion of drama that a single best of seven, win or go home, gives to the grand finals, it would be much more equitable to play out the Best of Three like the other series (the 2008-09 league played the same format as the opening series).
Anyway, my point is that of all the major American sports, SPL has a postseason closest to MLB in relative duration.
On July 12 2011 01:09 VGhost wrote: MLB/NHL/NBA all have much longer seasons. Of course, MLB has a smaller postseason, while NHL/NBA first rounds are mostly ridiculous.
NFL has 1:16 ps-rs ratio (post season is max 4 games - 1/4 of season) MLB has 5:162 or 7:162 ps-rs ratio NBA/NHL has 7:82 (4 rounds = 28 games max > 1/3 of season - LOL)
SPL has 3:54 game ratio
MLB has the flukiest post season series by ratio while NBA and NHL are the most steady. NBA games are far more predictable NHL games though. SPL is on par with NFL except when a single 7-set decides the winner in the Grand Finals.
Not sure where you're going with this?
NFL Teams: 12 teams out of 32 = 3:8 (> 1:3). Games: 16 game season. Playoffs are 4 games. 1:4.
MLB Teams: 8 teams out of 30 = 4:15 (> 1:4). Games: 162 game season. Playoffs are 3 rounds. At least 12 and up to 21 games. Assume an average of 18 (probably high). 1. (Somewhere between 1:13 and 1:8)
NBA/NHL Teams: 16 teams out of 32 = 1:2 Games: 82 game season. Playoffs are 4 rounds. At least 16 and up to 28 games. Assume an average of 24 (probably high). 2:7. (Somewhere between 1:5 and 1:3)
In comparison, SPL Teams: 6 teams out of 10 = 3:5 (Was 6 of 12.) Games: 54 match season. (Was 55.) Playoffs are 4 rounds. At least 7 and up to 9 matches. Assume an average of 8 (no idea). 1:7. (Somewhere between 1:8 and 1:6)
TBH while I love the thundering conclusion of drama that a single best of seven, win or go home, gives to the grand finals, it would be much more equitable to play out the Best of Three like the other series (the 2008-09 league played the same format as the opening series).
Anyway, my point is that of all the major American sports, SPL has a postseason closest to MLB in relative duration.
NHL only has 30 teams.
If only there were more teams in SPL ;_; . Can't afford to lose any more
China should bring a team or two to korea for SPL imo. They worked out the broadcasts to china and all, and with the Korean Air OSL and now the SPL finals, China is getting more involved (only as spectators atm). They should send a team :/
These two teams have more finals appearances than all the other teams put together. One with a tradition of winning (sometimes back-to-back) and one with a tradition of omg-so-close-every-year.
When I see this match up, I imagine SKT is a force of good. Heroes who have long battled to keep a perennial evil threat (KT) from getting their claws on the chalice. Granted, last year evil grew too strong while good grew stagnant. The realm was lost. But now the champions of good have returned to restore peace and balance.
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Realistically, a KT victory would prove that a 3rd-6th place team winning PL is possible. I hope we don't see it happen, as proof that KeSPA needs to change the format.
But in winners league SKT was a 3rd-6th team who fought all the way up to take the trophy. So.... It's so funny, skt fought hard to getthrough the monster the is Jaedong to get to winners league final against kt, and kt had to fight hard to get through the monster that is CJ (monster cuz of the fusion of two entities) to get to the pro league final against skt
On July 25 2011 11:24 domane wrote: These two teams have more finals appearances than all the other teams put together. One with a tradition of winning (sometimes back-to-back) and one with a tradition of omg-so-close-every-year.
When I see this match up, I imagine SKT is a force of good. Heroes who have long battled to keep a perennial evil threat (KT) from getting their claws on the chalice. Granted, last year evil grew too strong while good grew stagnant. The realm was lost. But now the champions of good have returned to restore peace and balance; return the realm to its former glory.
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Realistically, a KT victory would prove that a 3rd-6th place team winning PL is possible. I hope we don't see it happen, as a constant reminder that we have a horrible, rigged format that needs to be changed.
On July 25 2011 11:24 domane wrote: These two teams have more finals appearances than all the other teams put together. One with a tradition of winning (sometimes back-to-back) and one with a tradition of omg-so-close-every-year.
When I see this match up, I imagine SKT is a force of good. Heroes who have long battled to keep a perennial evil threat (KT) from getting their claws on the chalice. Granted, last year evil grew too strong while good grew stagnant. The realm was lost. But now the champions of good have returned to restore peace and balance; return the realm to its former glory.
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Realistically, a KT victory would prove that a 3rd-6th place team winning PL is possible. I hope we don't see it happen, as a constant reminder that we have a horrible, rigged format that needs to be changed.
I like your interpretation.
of course you do :|...but I don't want to start some stupid argument..
On July 25 2011 11:24 domane wrote: These two teams have more finals appearances than all the other teams put together. One with a tradition of winning (sometimes back-to-back) and one with a tradition of omg-so-close-every-year.
When I see this match up, I imagine SKT is a force of good. Heroes who have long battled to keep a perennial evil threat (KT) from getting their claws on the chalice. Granted, last year evil grew too strong while good grew stagnant. The realm was lost. But now the champions of good have returned to restore peace and balance; return the realm to its former glory.
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Realistically, a KT victory would prove that a 3rd-6th place team winning PL is possible. I hope we don't see it happen, as a constant reminder that we have a horrible, rigged format that needs to be changed.
On July 25 2011 11:24 domane wrote: These two teams have more finals appearances than all the other teams put together. One with a tradition of winning (sometimes back-to-back) and one with a tradition of omg-so-close-every-year.
When I see this match up, I imagine SKT is a force of good. Heroes who have long battled to keep a perennial evil threat (KT) from getting their claws on the chalice. Granted, last year evil grew too strong while good grew stagnant. The realm was lost. But now the champions of good have returned to restore peace and balance; return the realm to its former glory.
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Realistically, a KT victory would prove that a 3rd-6th place team winning PL is possible. I hope we don't see it happen, as a constant reminder that we have a horrible, rigged format that needs to be changed.
Any team with Iloveoov are automatically the bad guys. I mean unless you really think the old reach/nal_ra/yellow team was a bunch of evil players. (:
I think I understand why they did it. But it really defies consistency when the previous games in the layoffs were played in a Bo3 and then the Grand Finals is played as a Bo1. It breaks my mind. -_-
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actually it would be great if they could just play Turn instead of Jangbi for the rest of the season.
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![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/news/1293611347_4.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/news/1293611347_5.jpg)
)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hBAvU.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LvxUC.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0kll6.png)
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/XmT5U.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1AppA.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qhqq3.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gCVe1.png)
. (Somewhere between 1:13 and 1:8)
