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Fantasy Proleague R2 10-11 Discussion

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integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 08:16:37
November 19 2010 22:22 GMT
#1
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>> CLICK HERE FOR RESULTS AND STANDINGS SPREADSHEET <<


>> CLICK HERE TO MAKE TRADES <<


<< CLICK HERE FOR RESULTS AND STANDINGS THREAD>>


<< CLICK HERE FOR PLAYER COSTS AND SIGNUPS >>

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Play Fantasy Proleague! It's fun, easy, and makes watching Proleague much more exciting. If you don't fully understand the rules, don't worry. The basic thing to remember is: pick players for your "Main Team" that you think will do well, and pick players for your "Anti Team" who you think will do poorly.

We're kicking it old school this round, since the fancy version is undergoing changes and won't be ready until round three. The rules and scoring have been simplified accordingly, please make sure you read all of it. Scoring will be done by hand and updated at the end of each week.




How to Play

  • You choose 6 players and 1 Pro Team that score points when they play well.
  • You pick 3 players that lose you points when they play well.
  • UPDATE: There WILL be trading this round! Thanks pschiu. I will link the thread here when it is created.



Team Selection


Main Team
  • Pick 6 players for your Main Team, including a captain who will be a tiebreaker. Captains are not tradeable!
  • Pick 1 Proleague team (e.g. STX, Hite, SKT)
  • Your 6 players and 1 Proleague team cannot exceed 30 points in cost
  • Your Main Team must contain at least one of each race

Anti-Team
  • Pick 3 players for your Anti-Team
  • These players will score points just like Main Team players, but their score counts against you
  • Your Anti-Team must have a value of at least 13 points (minimum)



Scoring


Player Scoring:
Game Win: 4 Points
Game Loss: -1 Point
Ace Match appearance: 1 point

Team Scoring:
4-0 Victory: 6 Points
4-1 Victory: 4 Points
4-2 Victory: 3 Points
4-3 Victory: 2 Points
3-4 Defeat: 1 Point
2-4 Defeat: 0 Points
1-4 Defeat: -1 Points
0-4 Defeat: -2 Points


Trading Rules:
  • You may make two trades per week from your main team, and one trade per week on your anti-team.
  • Trades will cost one point per traded player.
  • No trading up. The total adjusted trade value must remain even or decrease.
  • You may use any differential you gain or lose in trading any player for any trade you would like to make that week, as long as your total adjusted trade value remains the same or decreases. This means it is now possible to trade one expensive player and one cheap player for two medium-cost players.
  • You may use any remaining differential from your main team on your anti-team and vice versa.
    If you trade A and B on main team and C on anti-team for D and E on main team and F on anti team, A+B-C must be >= D+E-F.
  • You must post your trades in this thread and in the format indicated and by the deadline indicated or your trades will not be included.
  • The trade value formula is detailed in the spoiler below. There is a new formula. If it doesn't make sense, don't worry about it, I'll be calculating it for you.


+ Show Spoiler [Trade Value formula] +

There is a new trade value formula this round where a player's trade value is based on their expected point output as indicated by their cost. This is essentially a progressive tax that mitigates the win-rate disparity between the best and the worst players -- wins do not affect expensive players as much, and losses do not affect cheaper players as much.

After every week trade value will become the new C, so costs will be compounded weekly.

If this doesn't make sense, don't worry about it, I'll be calculating it for you.

Trade Value = ((P/(3+(C/10)/9))/M) * (M/9) + (C*(9 - M)/9)

P = Player's points.
M = number of matches played.
C = Player's original cost

3 + (C/10) is the average points per cost each player is expected to earn over the round.
9 is the total number of matches each team plays in a round.

This formula figures out what a player's point cost would be given their current performance and their original cost. (ie someone scoring 4 points per match with an original cost of 10 would have a cost of 10) This is then weighted with their original cost; the weights are the percentage of games played for the "new" cost and percentage of games left for the original cost.

Adjusted trade value = Trade value * # of matches left.



<< CLICK HERE FOR RESULTS AND STANDINGS THREAD>>


Good Luck!




Trading update:

There WILL be trades this round. Thanks to pschiu for the help.

+ Show Spoiler [Old update] +
I'm trying to figure out a good system for trading that wouldn't require me to track everyone's team individually week-by-week, since I don't really want to mess with setting up a database. If you have good ideas for a trade system, let me know. Currently I'm thinking about having some formula where players are ranked 1 through 90 (or however many), and where you could trade for players ranked the same or lower -- but where trades would be retroactive and you would lose all the points from the traded player and gain all the points from the acquired player. This type of trade would be basically like you selected an entirely different player at the beginning of the round.



Constructive feedback and suggestions are always welcome and appreciated, about any aspect of FPL R2! Please don't hesitate to contribute.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
November 19 2010 22:39 GMT
#2
Thanks so much for putting this together, you seriously rule!
Quick thoughts - KT at 3 seems enormously cheap as I don't see their current slump continuing. Light at 4 seems pretty cheap given the players he's lost to. Soulkey seemed expensive at first glance, but I couldn't bring myself to put him on the anti-team because that dude is scary.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
November 19 2010 22:44 GMT
#3
Sick, thanks tons!
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SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
November 19 2010 23:00 GMT
#4
We already have 2 guys with RoRo on the anti-team.. the shame oh the shame
Bisu... ;-(
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8114 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 23:11:01
November 19 2010 23:10 GMT
#5
for trading you might be able to do the super old-school way of just offering a few trades each week (before they created all the fancy stuff).

thanks so much for doing this!
Free Palestine
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 23:17:11
November 19 2010 23:14 GMT
#6
A brief note about team scoring, or why KT is 3 points this round: if you notice, team scoring is based heavily on win differential. The teams that tend to win more closely thus don't earn nearly as many points as the teams that win with greater differential. A look at the charts in this thread, in particular the score differential, were how I determined team costs for this round.

On November 20 2010 08:10 Ideas wrote:
for trading you might be able to do the super old-school way of just offering a few trades each week (before they created all the fancy stuff).


That sounds like an interesting idea. I think I'm going to handle the trading options by fielding a number of ideas and then putting them all in a poll and letting you guys vote on the one you want. If it's a close vote, I'll decide from there.
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
November 19 2010 23:20 GMT
#7
I never thought I'd see the day where Jaehoon is worth the same amount as Stats (4 points)

Good luck with this and thanks for your hard work! I hope you have an efficient way of scoring all this by hand.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
November 19 2010 23:25 GMT
#8
thats not the official TL.net FPL right?
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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
November 19 2010 23:29 GMT
#9
Thanks for setting this up! FPL makes my life complete.

Does anyone know if Central Plains will be used in R2? There were rumors that it'd be modified/replaced, but nothing concrete. The existence of this map in the pool makes PvP snipers a lot more valuable than they would otherwise be.

And remember, Roro is an excellent choice for your anti-team.
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MinoMino
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1103 Posts
November 19 2010 23:45 GMT
#10
Yay, FPL :D

I put RorO on my anti-team right away, and so should you.
Blah.
xxxxxxb
Profile Joined October 2009
155 Posts
November 19 2010 23:49 GMT
#11
I assume that the 4 points worth soo is actually the zerg from skt, right? Otherwise I should edit my team.
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
November 19 2010 23:57 GMT
#12
If captain is just tiebreaker, it's best to just put your most valuable player to the duty no? Or how likely will it be that there'll be some trading option put to action?
If you have to ask, you don't know.
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-20 00:01:10
November 19 2010 23:59 GMT
#13
On November 20 2010 08:49 xxxxxxb wrote:
I assume that the 4 points worth soo is actually the zerg from skt, right? Otherwise I should edit my team.

Yes, I apologize for the mistake, I clarified in the OP of the other thread and PMed everyone who included (P)SoO instead of (Z)n.Die_soO to let them know they need to edit their teams.

On November 20 2010 08:57 JohannesH wrote:
If captain is just tiebreaker, it's best to just put your most valuable player to the duty no? Or how likely will it be that there'll be some trading option put to action?


At this point it's somewhat likely that some form of trading will be implemented at some point during round 2. I would like to include it if I can figure out a way to do it cleanly. Make your decision accordingly.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-20 00:01:15
November 20 2010 00:00 GMT
#14
Amazing. Thanks!

Quick note: integral is faster than me, never mind!
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
November 20 2010 00:02 GMT
#15
On November 20 2010 09:00 Musoeun wrote:
Amazing. Thanks!

Quick note: Hot_Bid is faster than me, never mind!

haha, I saw Hot_Bid and was like what, where? I'm not Hot_Bid!

Nice edit though!
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
November 20 2010 00:08 GMT
#16
Thank you so much for this. And lol at all the teams with (Z)RorO anti-teamed. They never learn...
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-20 00:16:09
November 20 2010 00:10 GMT
#17
On November 20 2010 09:02 integral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 09:00 Musoeun wrote:
Amazing. Thanks!

Quick note: Hot_Bid is faster than me, never mind!

haha, I saw Hot_Bid and was like what, where? I'm not Hot_Bid!

Nice edit though!


Yah, I assumed it was Hot_Bid because he's been Mr. FPL in previous seasons. The problem with assumptions...

On the "assumptions" note, the RorO Anti-Team count currently sits at 6, out of 23 teams total. This may be the most significant evidence yet that SC2 has brought lots of new people to the site.
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
MrMoose
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada176 Posts
November 20 2010 00:16 GMT
#18
I saw FPL was up and almost squealed in excitement!! OMG. On another note, I picked RorO for anti team. I've done it before and gotten burned, but this time...it's gonna be different. I can feel it!
When in doubt, lubricate!
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 20 2010 00:17 GMT
#19
YES FPL is back !

Now I can finally have my chance at being top 10 again!
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
November 20 2010 00:20 GMT
#20
On November 20 2010 09:16 MrMoose wrote:
I saw FPL was up and almost squealed in excitement!! OMG. On another note, I picked RorO for anti team. I've done it before and gotten burned, but this time...it's gonna be different. I can feel it!

I applaud your bravery, but we all know it'll only end in tears. I'll admit that I was tempted though. 5 points is nothing to scoff at...
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