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Fantasy Proleague R2 10-11 Discussion - Page 3

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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
November 20 2010 05:47 GMT
#41
I put zero on my anti. I sensed a slump.
frank0406
Profile Joined January 2010
United States32 Posts
November 20 2010 05:52 GMT
#42
Could you post a scoring sample since I notice some rules different from former ones
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3161 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-20 06:06:16
November 20 2010 06:05 GMT
#43
Sample scoring from last round:
Bisu 10-0 42 points: (10 wins * 4) - 0 losses + 2 points for an ace match appearance
Jaedong 9-3 39 points: (9 wins * 4) - 3 losses + 6 points for ace match appearances
Flash 9-1 37 points: (9 wins * 4) - 1 loss + 2 points for an ace match appearance
Zero 8-3 33 points: (8 wins * 4) - 3 losses + 4 points for ace match appearances
Turn 7-0 28 points: (7 wins * 4) - 0 losses
Jangbi 0-7 -7 points: (0 wins * 4) - 7 losses
frank0406
Profile Joined January 2010
United States32 Posts
November 20 2010 06:16 GMT
#44
On November 20 2010 15:05 integral wrote:
Sample scoring from last round:
Bisu 10-0 42 points: (10 wins * 4) - 0 losses + 2 points for an ace match appearance
Jaedong 9-3 39 points: (9 wins * 4) - 3 losses + 6 points for ace match appearances
Flash 9-1 37 points: (9 wins * 4) - 1 loss + 2 points for an ace match appearance
Zero 8-3 33 points: (8 wins * 4) - 3 losses + 4 points for ace match appearances
Turn 7-0 28 points: (7 wins * 4) - 0 losses
Jangbi 0-7 -7 points: (0 wins * 4) - 7 losses


That's much clearer, thx for the amazing job!
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
November 20 2010 06:22 GMT
#45
Woo thanks for putting it together! My first time participating in FPL.

What happened to Abydos?
Stuck.
Tekin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-20 06:23:51
November 20 2010 06:23 GMT
#46
I swear people putting Snow on the Anti will make you eat snow watch. remember its the "fall"
Cheers! //¯◡◡¯\\ 문채원 | 한지우 -___-
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 20 2010 06:24 GMT
#47
Wait, so there's no +1 bonus for a player when his team wins?
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integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3161 Posts
November 20 2010 06:27 GMT
#48
On November 20 2010 15:24 infinitestory wrote:
Wait, so there's no +1 bonus for a player when his team wins?

No, you pick players based on their individual merits, not which team they play for.
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
November 20 2010 06:37 GMT
#49
On November 20 2010 15:27 integral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 15:24 infinitestory wrote:
Wait, so there's no +1 bonus for a player when his team wins?

No, you pick players based on their individual merits, not which team they play for.


that really kills the 1 pointers...
BW is back
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-20 06:39:13
November 20 2010 06:38 GMT
#50
On November 20 2010 15:27 integral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 15:24 infinitestory wrote:
Wait, so there's no +1 bonus for a player when his team wins?

No, you pick players based on their individual merits, not which team they play for.

Wow, then this scoring really is very different from previous rounds x____x

edit: 1-point skt/wnj players are now more or less useless lol
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51709 Posts
November 20 2010 06:40 GMT
#51
On November 20 2010 15:27 integral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 15:24 infinitestory wrote:
Wait, so there's no +1 bonus for a player when his team wins?

No, you pick players based on their individual merits, not which team they play for.


Wouldn't this hurt the 1-2 points worth players?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3161 Posts
November 20 2010 06:41 GMT
#52
On November 20 2010 15:37 Jackal03 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 15:27 integral wrote:
On November 20 2010 15:24 infinitestory wrote:
Wait, so there's no +1 bonus for a player when his team wins?

No, you pick players based on their individual merits, not which team they play for.


that really kills the 1 pointers...

So don't pick 1-pointers? The idea is to pick players who play and win, not to try to skim team win points from players who don't play. If you want to afford Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong, for example, you're going to have to make some sacrifices. They're only one point for a reason.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51709 Posts
November 20 2010 06:48 GMT
#53
On November 20 2010 15:41 integral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 15:37 Jackal03 wrote:
On November 20 2010 15:27 integral wrote:
On November 20 2010 15:24 infinitestory wrote:
Wait, so there's no +1 bonus for a player when his team wins?

No, you pick players based on their individual merits, not which team they play for.


that really kills the 1 pointers...

So don't pick 1-pointers? The idea is to pick players who play and win, not to try to skim team win points from players who don't play. If you want to afford Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong, for example, you're going to have to make some sacrifices. They're only one point for a reason.


I don't know....its quite a large sacrifice if you ask me,but considering my team my 1 pointers will probably get played a lot next round.

if you'd like to see my team the link is in my signature.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
November 20 2010 06:50 GMT
#54
Some 1-pointers should be seeing some play as well. Chavi, Modesty, Lomo, Tempest, BByong, etc.
But well, you know the rules, just pick players you think make most sense within those rules. I don't think it's a bad change at all, less favor for sitting on the bench seems good.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 20 2010 06:54 GMT
#55
On November 20 2010 15:50 JohannesH wrote:
Some 1-pointers should be seeing some play as well. Chavi, Modesty, Lomo, Tempest, BByong, etc.
But well, you know the rules, just pick players you think make most sense within those rules. I don't think it's a bad change at all, less favor for sitting on the bench seems good.

I dunno, I personally think it makes it more like a fantasy individual league with a proleague team straddled on, because now sitting on the bench is worth 0. I can see Paralyze, Hyuk, hyvaa, Canata, anyppi... etc getting some but little playtime. 1-pointers are more throwaway than last season, where you actually had to pick them based on both playtime and their associated team.
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integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3161 Posts
November 20 2010 07:02 GMT
#56
On November 20 2010 15:54 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 15:50 JohannesH wrote:
Some 1-pointers should be seeing some play as well. Chavi, Modesty, Lomo, Tempest, BByong, etc.
But well, you know the rules, just pick players you think make most sense within those rules. I don't think it's a bad change at all, less favor for sitting on the bench seems good.

I dunno, I personally think it makes it more like a fantasy individual league with a proleague team straddled on, because now sitting on the bench is worth 0. I can see Paralyze, Hyuk, hyvaa, Canata, anyppi... etc getting some but little playtime. 1-pointers are more throwaway than last season, where you actually had to pick them based on both playtime and their associated team.

Think it through, there's still significant risk and reward with one-pointers: one-pointers that do get playtime and lose are going to lose you points. Sitting on the bench is worth 0, but being sent out is possibly worth -1.

There are other reasons as well: every round I can remember, several fantasy owners in or near the top ten have been those who "all-in" on the most successful team that round. Getting rid of team wins mitigates that effect somewhat.

Lastly, a winning player on a weaker team shouldn't be able to end up being worth less than a player who doesn't play at all. Just my opinion.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-20 07:12:50
November 20 2010 07:08 GMT
#57
On November 20 2010 16:02 integral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 15:54 infinitestory wrote:
On November 20 2010 15:50 JohannesH wrote:
Some 1-pointers should be seeing some play as well. Chavi, Modesty, Lomo, Tempest, BByong, etc.
But well, you know the rules, just pick players you think make most sense within those rules. I don't think it's a bad change at all, less favor for sitting on the bench seems good.

I dunno, I personally think it makes it more like a fantasy individual league with a proleague team straddled on, because now sitting on the bench is worth 0. I can see Paralyze, Hyuk, hyvaa, Canata, anyppi... etc getting some but little playtime. 1-pointers are more throwaway than last season, where you actually had to pick them based on both playtime and their associated team.

Think it through, there's still significant risk and reward with one-pointers: one-pointers that do get playtime and lose are going to lose you points. Sitting on the bench is worth 0, but being sent out is possibly worth -1.

There are other reasons as well: every round I can remember, several fantasy owners in or near the top ten have been those who "all-in" on the most successful team that round. Getting rid of team wins mitigates that effect somewhat.

Lastly, a winning player on a weaker team shouldn't be able to end up being worth less than a player who doesn't play at all. Just my opinion.

I see, that certainly makes sense. But a winning player on a weak team is still 4/day, while a losing player on a strong team + bonus points is still 1/day. I also think you can mitigate the "all-in" on strongest teams by only giving 1 bonus point per team (e.g. I have Sun and Paralyze, they both bench, SKT wins, I only get +1 bonus point between the two of them); this also maintains the need to consider team performance when selecting 1-pointers and actually further discourages all-inning. But that's just theory.
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integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3161 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-20 07:18:34
November 20 2010 07:16 GMT
#58
Just to clarify, there is no point for a normal lineup appearance. Players have to win to receive points, so even with a theoretical team win point the best a losing player could get would be 0 unless they were sent out for an ace match. As it is all losing players who didn't play an ace match will lose a point.

Also, fanboyism aside, I don't see any reason why one would need or even want to consider team performance when picking individual players -- the time to consider team performance is when you're picking your team.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
November 20 2010 07:37 GMT
#59
hm, afrotoss is definitely less valuable without the team win point but i'm sticking with him anyway!
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
November 20 2010 07:43 GMT
#60
definitely not putting roro ..
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