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[SPL] Team Balance Analysis after Two Weeks

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Taosu
Profile Joined August 2010
Ukraine1074 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-27 12:08:56
October 27 2010 09:53 GMT
#1
Hi there guys. This is my first topic on TL. I don't play BW or SC2 but I've been following Korean leagues for more than a year so far I like it very much. I'm not much of a writer but I just thought you might be interested in some Proleague statistic I prepared.

As all of you probably know the changes in Proleague format affected how teams play and their results as well, obviously favoring teams with deep lineups rather than teams with sole strong aces.

I've been looking for a handy way to evaluate the balance of each particular team, so here's my method. A little explanation on the team balance coefficient that I used. I analyzed all players on team rosters that appeared on stage at least once during the series (even if they didn't manage to win a single match) based on the number of games they won. In two words this means: 1 win = +1 point, appearance with no wins = 0 points but this zero result affects the team's stats. Then I formed the arrays for each team consisting of the points scored by the players. The formula for my team balance coefficient is as following:

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So if all players in a team have won equal number of games each the team balance coefficient is 100% (the team is perfectly balanced). On the other hand, if all wins were brought to the team by a single player the coefficient will be 0% (a team of one player). The more is the coefficient, the more balanced is the team (the smoother is the bar graph representing wins count and the more even are the slices on the pie chart).


Now, the least balanced team in today's Proleague is of course:
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9th place:
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8th place:
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7th place:
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6th place:
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5th place:
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4th place:
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3rd place:
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Runner-Up:
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The Most Balanced Team in Today's Proleague:
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Full Rating:
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  1. Woongjin Stars = 74.2%
  2. STX Soul = 73.0%
  3. KT Rolster = 69.0%
  4. hite Entus = 68.9%
  5. SK Telecom 1 = 67.8%
  6. WeMade FOX = 66.9%
  7. MBCGame Hero = 66.5%
  8. Air Force ACE = 63.7%
  9. Samsung KHAN = 60.6%
  10. Hwaseung OZ = 51.2%


I would be glad to see your comments on this. If you liked my analysis I could do it after future rounds. The more data, the more accurate are the stats.
Also fan of Hyuk, Pure, free, Action, Stats, Leta, Horang2, Snow, Flying, Shuttle, Movie, Paralyze
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-27 10:10:33
October 27 2010 10:00 GMT
#2
Cool topic, although I didn't need a formula to know which team is the most imbalanced. lol
Currently team balance does not directly correspond to the team's overall performance but will that change as the season progresses?
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CoWsGoesMoo
Profile Joined June 2010
250 Posts
October 27 2010 10:08 GMT
#3
I always thought that statistics was always BS?
structuralinertia
Profile Joined June 2009
Australia1426 Posts
October 27 2010 10:13 GMT
#4
wow those are really sexy graphs

I would defnitely be interested to see how they look after some more rounds so the stats are more meaningful
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
October 27 2010 10:17 GMT
#5
These are good stuffs, keep up the good work!
Of course as the season progresses, the analysis will be more accurate.
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-27 10:29:01
October 27 2010 10:20 GMT
#6
I appreciate the effort you put I think your formula is not relevant

We are actually interested in the depth of the team, which team has at least 3 decent players, including an ace.

A team with 3 players with a very high winrate (including ace matches) and 3 players who suck is a lot better than a team with 7 players who suck equally. But your formula would say the contrary.

STX got a very good score with your formula because they used 11 different players, and have an overall Diff = 0

And SKT got a very mediocre score just because Bisu raped the shit out of everyone and made the win / loss record unbalanced ?
I mean do you realize that if Bisu had lost two games, the team would have got a better score with a worse ace player ? It doesn't make any sense. A balanced team is a team with a good ace player (it doesn't mean a good ace player makes a team good, Oz anyone ?)

Oh and my examples have nothing to do with my T1 icon I promise, they were just appropriate examples of the flaws of your formula

And very nice graphics btw !!

edit : typo and yay 1337 posts

edit 2 : wait, a team who would have lost the 4 matches 0-4 using the same 4 players would have got a 100% right ? When we use the word balanced for a team it's related to its depth. According to your formula, a team composed of 4 awful players would be the deepest team of the proleague ? wtf.
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J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
October 27 2010 10:22 GMT
#7
Those are some ridiculously good looking graphs. However I don't think you have enough data yet, I would love to see what these would look like after a full round has been completed. Good work anyway!
Taosu
Profile Joined August 2010
Ukraine1074 Posts
October 27 2010 10:27 GMT
#8
On October 27 2010 19:20 endy wrote:
I mean do you realize that if Bisu had lost two games, the team would have got a better score with a worse ace player ? It doesn't make any sense. A balanced team is a team with a good ace player (it doesn't mean a good ace player makes a team good, Oz anyone ?)

You're right, but I must emphasize that my balance rating isn't supposed to be related to team's performance. Theoretically it's possible to have a team with 10-20% balance ratio and it will rape any other team. The coefficient is just depicting the distribution of efforts between the players.
Also fan of Hyuk, Pure, free, Action, Stats, Leta, Horang2, Snow, Flying, Shuttle, Movie, Paralyze
Taosu
Profile Joined August 2010
Ukraine1074 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-27 10:33:51
October 27 2010 10:31 GMT
#9
On October 27 2010 19:20 endy wrote:
edit 2 : wait, a team who would have lost the 4 matches 0-4 using the same 4 players would have got a 100% right ? When we use the word balanced for a team it's related to its depth. According to your formula, a team composed of 4 awful players would be the deepest team of the proleague ? wtf.

Haha, luckily my formula doesn't work with zero wins (it results in division by zero).
Edit: But I think I should consider adding some correction so that the formula will also depict the absolute strengths of the players.
Also fan of Hyuk, Pure, free, Action, Stats, Leta, Horang2, Snow, Flying, Shuttle, Movie, Paralyze
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-27 10:35:02
October 27 2010 10:32 GMT
#10
On October 27 2010 19:27 Taosu wrote:
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On October 27 2010 19:20 endy wrote:
I mean do you realize that if Bisu had lost two games, the team would have got a better score with a worse ace player ? It doesn't make any sense. A balanced team is a team with a good ace player (it doesn't mean a good ace player makes a team good, Oz anyone ?)

You're right, but I must emphasize that my balance rating isn't supposed to be related to team's performance. Theoretically it's possible to have a team with 10-20% balance ratio and it will rape any other team. The coefficient is just depicting the distribution of efforts between the players.


Yes, but if that was your purpose, we need a lot more data to obtain relevant results. Leta and Really are making a lot of efforts, believe me.

Also, read my edit2, which is an even bigger flaw in your formula. edit : you saw my edit, I know it doesnt work with 0 wins, but that's mathematically the results you obtain (using the limits, amirite ?)

I'm not saying this just because I harshly criticized your results, I sincerely find your graphics awesome. I'd love to see you designing the Proleague Round 1recaps (no offense at the current TL graphics team :D)
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
October 27 2010 10:42 GMT
#11
These are very awesome graphs. Though I don't agree totally with what you have, it's a very nice benchmark to look at teams.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
October 27 2010 10:49 GMT
#12
Nice effort, oh wait he left

Is it possible to fuse this with team ''strenght'' to find out which teams have the highest amount of good-to-very-good playesrs. thus more likely to win in best of seven format?
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
Taosu
Profile Joined August 2010
Ukraine1074 Posts
October 27 2010 10:52 GMT
#13
Thank you guys! :D
Also fan of Hyuk, Pure, free, Action, Stats, Leta, Horang2, Snow, Flying, Shuttle, Movie, Paralyze
Taosu
Profile Joined August 2010
Ukraine1074 Posts
October 27 2010 10:56 GMT
#14
On October 27 2010 19:20 endy wrote:...but that's mathematically the results you obtain (using the limits, amirite ?)

No, I didn't use limits there. Stdev stands for standard deviation:

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Also fan of Hyuk, Pure, free, Action, Stats, Leta, Horang2, Snow, Flying, Shuttle, Movie, Paralyze
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9569 Posts
October 27 2010 11:10 GMT
#15
This is beyond awesome!

I'm really looking forward seeing this at the end of season.
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SiDX
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand1975 Posts
October 27 2010 11:12 GMT
#16
Oz :C
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
October 27 2010 11:20 GMT
#17
Graphicaly showing how bad fantasy is doing makes me sad =(. But they are pretty charts none the less.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2717 Posts
October 27 2010 11:22 GMT
#18
That's a great contribution: interesting analysis and cool layout.
Keep it up!

On topic, it seems like hwaseung will have tons of problems this season as everybody already expected...
Nitan
Profile Joined September 2008
United States3401 Posts
October 27 2010 11:26 GMT
#19
A 3D pie chart kind of defeats the point.
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.
Taosu
Profile Joined August 2010
Ukraine1074 Posts
October 27 2010 11:29 GMT
#20
On October 27 2010 20:26 Nitan wrote:
A 3D pie chart kind of defeats the point.

You mean, because the equal sized sectors in front and in left don't appear equal?
Also fan of Hyuk, Pure, free, Action, Stats, Leta, Horang2, Snow, Flying, Shuttle, Movie, Paralyze
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