OK I came up with a new idea for a wall in on the f***ing position 1 for Luna.
First I'll tell you what bothered me on Zerg~LegenD work:
1. Gaz isn't protected. As you will see this particular drawback can't be helped. I turned the problem in every way possible it seems that you can't help it.
2. Open photon canons. This will be corrected in the following.
3. The path betwen gateway and Pylon I pulled out a trick for this precise thing.
I just tried hard on a wall-in close to minerals but I couldn't do anything really better. That's why I went for a wall in on the path to your FE. As you will see the wall itself is pretty nice but this place has drawbacks later in the game.

Second this has to be discussed. I couldn't make every piece of testing and I won't be able before a long time.

Let's go for the picture:

So there are now two things that should be discussed.

(really) Early game:
The wall itself sounds strong, you can wall with 2 zealots but there is a path between gate and the upper canon. However you can stick an almost invisible probe in there. (which is targetable by a direct Attack clic but this assumes the zerg sees it and is able to do it without losing most of his zerglings. Once you get yourself a 3rd zeal you may advance your line of defense a little bit and get straight defense for your canons. But unless your left canon is damaged enough it is better to let your two zealots where they are and get the third in the place of the probe.

(late)Early game:
Hydras: well I FEd Hydras are gonna be tough to counter but this has nothing to do with the wall.
Mutas: OMG this is where the pain comes. We don't have anything to protect our beloved probes from muta harass. And there I need advice from better players than me: is there any hope of countering them with early dragoons and a templar tech delayed. I don't know and I have noone to test it right now.
Another point is that if you scout your opponent good enough to see that there isn't a critical amount of zerglings you can keep the money from the second canon and set it up at your nat.

Anyway if the fool zerg is willing to take your wall down with his mutas to get his zerglings into your economy be confident since everything is protected. Precisely if you go for the 3 zeal in a line be wary that only one canon can fire on mutas as long as they target the zealot on the left side you should go back to the 2+1 position.

Lisk

Latvia376 Posts

November 28 2007 19:27 GMT

#64

How about some LT walls?

CharlieMurphy

United States22895 Posts

November 29 2007 01:35 GMT

#65

dirty fucking protosses and their wall maps.

CharlieMurphy

United States22895 Posts

November 29 2007 01:56 GMT

#66

dirty fucking protosses and their wall maps.

xBTx

Canada542 Posts

November 29 2007 02:57 GMT

#67

I didnt know FE was popular on 2 player maps (due to risk)

BlackStar

Netherlands3029 Posts

December 02 2007 14:12 GMT

#68

I tried to figure out some wall-ins for Zodiac. Because I can't remember them instantly I made screens so I guess I can add them to this thread. These are ones that are decent that I could come up with. There could very well be some problems with one of them. Or maybe the second cannon can be better.

I looked and copied some of them from progames.

Ooh, and the 11 o'clock position on Python has the forge out of the pylon range. It's not easily fixed either.

[edit]

This works, 12 o'clock Python:

InRaged

1047 Posts

December 02 2007 17:08 GMT

#69

How about that for 12@python

Hyperionnn

Turkey4968 Posts

December 09 2007 10:33 GMT

#70

Very good guide, I won't be screwed by zerglings but,

On November 18 2007 19:06 BluzMan wrote:
- Gateway above obstacle is usually impassable, but make sure you don't trap your zealots like in that famous game when some protoss went 2 gate proxy and trapped his initial zealots, so he gg'd before even being scouted.

HE'S NOT SOME PROTOSS HE'S DEVIL TOSS.

BluzMan

Russian Federation4235 Posts

December 09 2007 13:57 GMT

#71

Right now, he qualifies perfectly as "some protoss".

I will update the OP later with the well-done walls for Zodiac, nice job.

stalife

Canada1222 Posts

December 09 2007 15:27 GMT

#72

for those protoss users that have trouble with the exact place where nexus should be located ( I had that problem before), use the vaspene geyser as a reference point, then make pylons according to it (you should practice by yourself first ofc) If you do this, then many maps become more or less same to block. usually i would build one unit space away from where nexus should be built so units can pass through. This practice shuld help vs'in 9 poolers or even 5 poolers. sometimes lots of protoss users panic and just build pylon wherever possible and end up not being able to build nexus at all (classic example = tau cross 3 starting position)

Other possible reference points could be cracks on certain places. for example, for tau cross or arcadia, i look for certain features of a specific area. this will help you block more consistently

http://puciek.pl/replays/files/92.rep

I saw that the luna 5 position needs a better block (maybe better only in my mind), so i added a replay where it shows the block. I wasn't sure how to upload screenshots...so I here's the replay instead. hopefully someone can ss it.