Hello. I was wondering what to do against a fast lurker build. If they create like 5-7 lurkers really fast and then just run into your natural away from your cannons. What do I do? thank you. I think I have to always scout him right? To see what he is doing and get a defense before he does it.

-~!SirLectro!~-

Aesop

Hungary11304 Posts

August 18 2009 21:17 GMT

#242

On August 19 2009 05:45 SirLectro wrote:
Hello. I was wondering what to do against a fast lurker build. If they create like 5-7 lurkers really fast and then just run into your natural away from your cannons. What do I do? thank you.

-~!SirLectro!~-

Welcome to TL.net SirLectro,

I think the thread you chose to post in is not tailored to answer these questions - we discuss building placement only here. If you have a specific problem you want to talk about, you are allowed to make a seperate post, following the guidelines here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=60175 Usually that means describing in detail what the question is about and posting a relevant replay of yours:

best,

Aesop

SirLectro

3 Posts

August 18 2009 22:34 GMT

#243

Thank you Aesop. I'll read the rules.

But couldn't I ask if this build works against fast lurkers? Or ask what the building placement should be against fast lurks?

Cause I didn't want to create an entire topic just to ask something about this build.

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shafiru

111 Posts

August 18 2009 23:17 GMT

#244

You see it, add cannons, block your ramp.

Don't be so lazy next time.

SirLectro

3 Posts

August 18 2009 23:51 GMT

#245

They don't go up my ramp. They attack my natural Nexus. It's ok, no one needs to answer my question. I think I know what to do.

-~!SirLectro!~-

blahman3344

United States2015 Posts

August 29 2009 04:57 GMT

#246

heres my wall-in for the new map moon glaive (note: it was made without the consideration of a flank from the zerg player):

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4 o clock nat

7 o clock nat

12 o clock nat

and heres my way of dealign with the 2nd opening in the nat:

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4 o clock

7 o clock

12 o clock

edit:
i also just tried my hand at "match point" as well, but i don't think i was as successful:

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1 o clock

7 o clock

personally i think the 7 o clock one is pretty vulnerable to hydra breaks

Afasia

Finland70 Posts

August 29 2009 08:44 GMT

#247

now that this is up I might as well post my gratitude

Aesop

Hungary11304 Posts

August 29 2009 14:16 GMT

#248

I tried forge-walling off the current version of Asgard (see new maps). Comments and critique please? My criteria included having a cannon cover the minerals from attacks from the backdoor. Both the cannons are able to reach melee units that approach the highest / lowest mineral patch. The Forge at 11 can be moved to the left if preferred. The first 5 position has the problem so far that Zerglings can funnel through the gap between forge and lower cannon. The second avoids that problem but needs 3 units to block the entrance.

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Although it looks like the Zergling is through, it cannot pass!

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Postaljester

United States128 Posts

August 29 2009 16:03 GMT

#249

the two entrance maps will rape forge fe. there is no way to stop a hydra break on those without spending all your tech money

blahman3344

United States2015 Posts

August 29 2009 18:15 GMT

#250

i actually redid the wall for 7-oclock @ matchpoint, and i got something better:

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although my only concern is if the zerg player mines out the minerals, then these walls are pretty useless

blahman3344

United States2015 Posts

August 30 2009 01:22 GMT

#251

ive also created wall-ins for tornado and roadrunner, criticism appreciated =)

tornado:
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4 o clock

7 o clock

11 o clock

1 o clock

road runner:
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12 o clock

6 o clock

9 o clock

3 o clock

some notes on these wall-ins:
for tornado's 7 o clock expo, i think the wall is a bit too far from the nexus
and for road runner's 9 o clock expo, the 2 probes by the gateway must be placed in this way:
1 probe really close to the gateway and the other probe in some precise spot between the pylon and first probe, otherwise the zerglings will be able to come through and u will need 4 probes to block in total instead of 3

aeroH

United States1034 Posts

August 30 2009 01:50 GMT

#252

someone needs to edit the op T.T

Aesop

Hungary11304 Posts

August 30 2009 05:12 GMT

#253

On August 30 2009 10:50 aeroH wrote:
someone needs to edit the op T.T

Just store them in liquipedia. We have one centralized page and we also add it to the respective map pages (see Destination for example). I just posted in this thread before uploading since I wasnt sure about the quality.

Tom Phoenix

1114 Posts

September 12 2009 01:25 GMT

#254

Does anyone know if it is possible to do a Forge FE on Ride of Valkyries? I have been looking at some of the older maps to mix up the usual choice of maps and this map seems preety good due to it`s simplistic, yet intriguing design. However, it seems like Forge FE would be really difficult on it due to the mineral entrance at the top and the unbuildable terrain in front.of the choke.

blahman3344

United States2015 Posts

September 19 2009 15:34 GMT

#255

i was able to get a forge wall-in for judgement day, except its conditional because it doesn't cover if the zerg were to mine out ur minerals by the nat gas and send lings in there
comments and suggestions would be appreciated

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1 o clock

5 o clock

11 o clock
7 o clock

i will try to make a wallin by the main's choke to prevent both scenarios as soon as i can

edit:
got them: comments and suggestion?

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1 o clock

5 o clock

7 o clock

11 o clock

ReKuN

United States15 Posts

September 20 2009 15:53 GMT

#256

Nice job

Kyadytim

United States886 Posts

September 20 2009 16:23 GMT

#257

Speaking of judgement day, a pylon in the main choke blocks lings on two of the start locations. On the other two, lings can fit through, workers can't.

Camlito

Australia4040 Posts

September 26 2009 08:06 GMT

#258

On September 12 2009 10:25 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Does anyone know if it is possible to do a Forge FE on Ride of Valkyries? I have been looking at some of the older maps to mix up the usual choice of maps and this map seems preety good due to it`s simplistic, yet intriguing design. However, it seems like Forge FE would be really difficult on it due to the mineral entrance at the top and the unbuildable terrain in front.of the choke.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/2404_July_vs_Rock/vod

It may be rock, but it's a nice wallin for the right side.

blahman3344

United States2015 Posts

September 26 2009 16:10 GMT

#259

here's my wall-in for acro:

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1 o clock

5 o clock

7 o clock

11 o clock

Phrogs!

Japan521 Posts

October 25 2009 10:20 GMT

#260

Hi,
Compiled walls for couple of the new maps.
Is bumping this thread ok? I didn't think I should add to liquipedia as I couldn't find a pro game for a couple of the positions so I had to make my own wall based on the pros.

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Top Left (Movie's Wall-in)

Top Right (Storks Wall-in)

My wall based on Movie's top left wall
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The rules of Movie's wall seemed to be Pylon 1 pylon's distance from Nex, Gate one cannon's distance from pylon, Gate towards base, Forge towards center

Bottom Right (Bisu's Wall-in)

Selected cannon first

Bottom Left (Couldn't find pro game - made wall based on Bisu's bottom right wall)

Selected cannon first

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Top Position (Best's Wall-in)

Build selected cannon first. Mine out the minerals (very quick) to fit dragoons out.

Bottom Position (My interpretation of how Best's wall would be in this position)