edit: Nevermind, I just tried the 7:00 othello ones I made with lings instead of probes/DTs. Too many holes, lol.

Also I tried out some new combos at 1:00, and I kinda like this one:

Neither cannon is exposed, both cover both forge and gateway, one covers the min line in case of a successful run through, and it can be blocked with 3 probes.

NonY

8751 Posts

April 26 2008 11:37 GMT

#102

the neutral building isn't covered. i think at least 6 lings can attack it so it'll die pretty quickly and you'll have a huge gap

alphafuzard

United States1610 Posts

April 27 2008 01:07 GMT

#103

maybe you could shift the forge and gate one to the left and put the cannon in the corner between the two, although this would sacrifice coverage of your min line, it should cover both the other cannon and the neutral while allowing units to move thru later game.

OctoPuSs

Canada5279 Posts

April 27 2008 02:01 GMT

#104

I have better ones for tau cross. If anyone is interested, I'll post them.

geno

United States1404 Posts

April 27 2008 10:16 GMT

#105

On April 27 2008 10:07 alphafuzard wrote:
maybe you could shift the forge and gate one to the left and put the cannon in the corner between the two, although this would sacrifice coverage of your min line, it should cover both the other cannon and the neutral while allowing units to move thru later game.

I don't think the gateway can be moved left from its spot. Its impassable when its to the right of the neutral, I think its passable neutral over gate.

Vaanelo

Canada128 Posts

April 27 2008 19:46 GMT

#106

just proxy cannons while expoing..

Centric

United States1989 Posts

April 27 2008 22:26 GMT

#107

geno does your pylon on Blue Storm at 1:30 block the gas?

Chameleon

United States604 Posts

May 06 2008 17:32 GMT

#108

I'm having trouble figuring out good placement for Vampire, this is what I've got so far:

10 o'clock
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2 o'clock
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4 o'clock
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8 o'clock
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I think the 10 is ok but i don't know how decent the other ones are, any suggestions/help plz?

ZerG~LegenD

Sweden1179 Posts

May 06 2008 18:14 GMT

#109

Are you guys trying those ones out with lings? Or are you just posting what you think might work? Gate on the site of an assimilator looks very passable to me, but of course, looks can decieve. So are they verified or not?

Anyway, Vampire is a bad map for walls because of the extremely large choke. You'd probably be best off trying to block the nat/main choke with a probe maynard if he tries to run through.

Chameleon

United States604 Posts

May 06 2008 18:32 GMT

#110

the gateway/assim gap is passable in the 4 o'clock pic but not the other one, but even with it being passable any lings trying to squeeze in there at that spot are gonna get pounded by the cannons, they'd have to go single file and the gap is covered by both cannons

edit: i only tested w/ probes, not lings

-orb-

United States5770 Posts

June 02 2008 20:57 GMT

#111

edit: my b page 5

stet_tcl

Greece319 Posts

June 11 2008 14:42 GMT

#112

Check this out for blue storm: You can block completely with 5 probes if placed correctly..

(The second pylon doesnt have to be there, my bad )

Chill

Calgary25998 Posts

June 11 2008 15:31 GMT

#113

I think the standard wallins are much better than that. There's a gaping hole asking Zerglings to run through.

stet_tcl

Greece319 Posts

June 11 2008 17:33 GMT

#114

You sure??
Cause I'm pretty sure lings cant get through and since you never omit to mention Mondragon's run bys i think an air tight wallin is not useless at all

Please correct me if im wrong but how do you block with the setup in the op?

Centric

United States1989 Posts

June 12 2008 05:17 GMT

#115

The old standard wall-ins don't work on Blue Storm 1.2 though.

Despite all that, your wall-ins are very bad not only because it takes quite a few probes to block (so they're definitely not airtight) but because the cannons are exposed, so even if the run-by problem is eliminated (and it's not) your opponent could just target the cannons and then you'd be in a heap of trouble.

The old wall-ins were really good because of how well everything fit together (Chill's recent chat with 50Cal.Stalife on that replay project explains it). Mondragon's run-by was super strong because it came right as the final piece of the wall-in was put down, the cybernetics core.

KrinkleStyle

United States25 Posts

June 15 2008 00:40 GMT

#116

I came up with these for Blue Storm 1.2. They are probably bad, so I am accepting criticisms.

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BlackStar

Netherlands3029 Posts

June 15 2008 01:03 GMT

#117

That's the standard way to wall in, those forge-gateway-cannon formations.

I don't see how the 1.2 version changes things. Maybe I didn't pay attention, but I didn't see progamers change their wall ins afaik. Maybe the second cannon though.

KrinkleStyle

United States25 Posts

June 15 2008 01:32 GMT

#118

For the screenshots in the OP for blue storm there is more room between the nexus and the gate/forge. That's really the only difference. I think I like mine more than the ones geno posted a page back.

Although I tested them out with some actual lings and I would need a minimum of 5 probes to completely seal everything off if I had to.

Centric

United States1989 Posts

August 17 2008 06:55 GMT

#119

KrinkleStyle, your cannons block the path of workers gathering gas. I finally took the time to post up the wall-ins that I use for Blue Storm. I saw NonY use the one for 1 o'clock in the TSL, and I based my 7 o'clock wall-in off that one.

1 o'clock
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7 o'clock
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KwarK

United States43989 Posts

August 17 2008 07:06 GMT

#120

Move the pylon to the right of the cannon so it helps block the choke a little. Also you can move the entire gate/forge thing down 1 matrix so there is more room above it for adding defences vs a hydra break.