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On February 04 2014 21:44 marvellosity wrote:
How do you feel about the content of the cases themselves on Prome and Wave?
Prome:
I don't find the strategy talk scummy. In fact when Prome pointed out the "let's shoot the top 2 read and make them shoot #1 scum" thingy made me feel iffy about DP. I don't get what HF is saying there. I liked the point on "I feel better about lynching Cephiro" HF brought up. It makes no sense to me for Prome to want to lynch Cephiro over me for some reason if he thinks at least one of us must be mafia and neither of us have posted. I don't get the "mindset" argument.
Wave:
I also found it odd that Wave agreed with Artanis' claim thing and then didn't really have evidence to back it up althoguh he implied so. I do not like the meta points he brings up against Wave, especially after Shadow game where i felt like Wave was wishy washy as fuck (sorry wave ^^) on D1, and imo he usually acts the same way. I don't get how you can make a meta argument against someone who has played scum once, like 9 months ago..
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In conclusion some things are good some bad, but i can't tell for sure until wave/prome actually answer HF and i see how the discussion continues.
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Why the fuck would you ask Wave about DP in a post where you talk about Prome if the next post is a case on Wave?
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Bit odd to be suspicious enough of 3 people to be able to make cases on 3 people I guess (if we include DP). Not sure.
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On February 04 2014 08:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 08:33 iamperfection wrote:
Wait lynched people don't flip that seems backwards Yeah. My idea was that we should lynch the person we think is the second likeliest to be scum and tell him to shoot the person we think is likeliest to be scum. If he doesn't agree then he's claiming scum.Problem with this is that part of the fun in this game is to shoot who you want to shoot and I'm not prepared to sacrifice that so I'm kinda against my own plan. Bit of an objectively best plan vs most fun kinda deal.
On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote:
I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.
I hate people who vote themselves in IML.
Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle. It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro. one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments.Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger.
ehhh.. Aren't the bolded parts the same thing?
If Prome had thought these things pre-game as he says why did he not agree with Artanis in the first place instead of asking people if they think Artanis' scumclaim is alignment indicative?
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I don't understand the connection between the two things.
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Holyflare what did you actually mean by the setup thing you talked about in your post on Prome?
I have a hard time following what you are trying to say there.
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On February 04 2014 22:51 marvellosity wrote:
I don't understand the connection between the two things.
Basically, Artanis' point is good. If we lynch our #2 scumread and make them shoot #1 scumread, they "confirm" themselves as town in case town's #1 scumread is mafia, right? Therefore we know the alignment of the lynched player in case the #1 scumread flips scum. If they are both town, then it's a shame and we just fucked up on our reads but the same thing would happen regardless. If they are both scum i doubt mafia would shoot another mafia because that's just fucking dumb.
What Prome suggests is essentially the same thing, unless he is saying we should lynch someone who might be mafia but is not in town's top 2 scumreads. If that's the case the suggestion is really fucking dumb in the first place.
So in my opinion he is saying the same thing Artanis did, or his suggestion is scummy as hell.
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I don't see why Artanis' scumclaim has anything to do with whether Prome agrees with a point about lynching/shooting though?
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Okay, so:
1) Artanis makes a lynch plan Prome assumedly finds pro-town.
2) Instead of commenting on that, or implying he finds this alignment indicative (more on that later) he posts this:
On February 04 2014 11:11 Promethelax wrote:
marv baby, talk to me about Artanis. Is his mafia claim in any way alignment indicative, I'm inclined to say no since well...that is dumb. I don't see him being more likely or less likely to post that as either alignment and until someone finds a quote saying "I would never claim scum as town" -artanis, I won't believe that to be a real reason to find him scummy.
Now what's the motivation behind this post? Is it to find out more about Artanis? No, because Prome states his own opinion. Is to find out more about your (marv's) alignment? I find it hard to believe so, because why would he ask the question this way (give an answer) if he wanted to find out more about you marv. The only reason i can come up with is "hey what do you think so i know if i can use that against Artanis later on if needed".
3) After this Prome makes a same sort of plan (in different words) than Artanis made on step (1). Based on (2) i would think if someone comes up with a same like of suggestion you find pro town, you would give him town credit for it. Therefore it makes even less sense to me he asks you about if Artanis' scumclaim is alignment indicative or not (not to mention he himself does not find it alignment indicative).
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Ugh.. what i am trying to say is that the post i quoted makes no sense to me because i don't understand what it is trying to achieve from town!Prome's perspective. It makes even less sense if you take into account what Artanis has done before Prome posts this and what Prome has done after that question.
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Back home and briefly read through the thread. I still have some things to take care of, so I will post my thoughts later on in the evening. I like the content available so far, although some back and forth's were taken too far and lost their usefulness in my opinion.
Automatic + for everyone that isn't rushing to get a lynch done too quickly.
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I don't understand why so much discussion has arisen on my mafia claim. It was clearly in jest. It's sort of an inside joke though; Rayn always counterclaims what I claim on voice, so I claim mafia in thread with the attempt of making him counterclaim it for funsies as well as being a conversation starter. The intent wasn't to have 15 pages littered with people calling it non alignment indicative though, so sorry 'bout that.
I like HF's comments regarding Wave. Rayn mentioned that you can't really meta him because his last scum game was 9 months ago, but if a game is different enough from his usual towngame then that's a point that points towards scumminess. Him finding HF and myself scummy despite agreeing with HF's initial remark is, to put it in scummarv words, smelly.
Speaking of Marv, I'm curious why you find Rayn scummy for what he's poking at. The Rayn I know likes to poke at everything and tends to just post a lot. I like the point regarding his inconsistency between thinking there are clearly reads to be made yet not supplying any, though.
On February 04 2014 23:22 Cephiro wrote:
Back home and briefly read through the thread. I still have some things to take care of, so I will post my thoughts later on in the evening. I like the content available so far, although some back and forth's were taken too far and lost their usefulness in my opinion.
Automatic + for everyone that isn't rushing to get a lynch done too quickly.
What is the purpose of this post? What content do you like? Why did you feel the need to post a comment without any content?
I don't understand.
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How can you be curious when I literally made a case explaining why?
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Artanis, that whole post :/
Jeez
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On February 04 2014 23:39 marvellosity wrote:
How can you be curious when I literally made a case explaining why?
You said you consider him to be scummy for pointing out things for the sake of it. My experience is that Rayn points out just about anything he finds remotely interesting. So why does it make him scum?
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On February 04 2014 23:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 23:39 marvellosity wrote:
How can you be curious when I literally made a case explaining why? You said you consider him to be scummy for pointing out things for the sake of it. My experience is that Rayn points out just about anything he finds remotely interesting. So why does it make him scum?
Because his read on Holy wasn't even remotely interesting, it was simply pointless. As explained.
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On the contrary indeed - all of rayn's posts usually have some sort of point, even if it is a rayn-point and even if it is verbal diahhroea.
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I'm reading and posting when I can until later
Speaking of pointless cases can anyone explain iamps suspicions on me? Marv you have a super towny townread on him right? Maybe you can elaborate.
I don't like HF's case but at the very least I can sort of understand what he's getting at because my D1 this game IS different from last game, but as I said if he cared to look, its not so different from other more aggressive games of mine, ie NWM or LXII. What bothers me a little is Rayn bringing up the meta defense because I'm not sure it applies in this case. Ill delcve into it when I get a chance later today.
Artanis, keep talking.
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It just boils down to that it's a very pointless thing to say "I'm going to keep a very close eye on marv".
Which it was.
There's not a lot else I have to say about it because it's not pushing me very much one way or another.
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