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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 04 2014 11:45 GMT
#461
I mean, if any other townies in the game can tell me they looked at that post and thought "why didn't he direct that at Holy?" then I'm all ears.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 11:49 GMT
#462
On February 04 2014 20:43 marvellosity wrote:
bugs' reasoning was also non-existent. Doesn't make anyone mafia.

I do not care about what Bugs' reasoning was because he is not here in this game. Maybe Prome will come here and tell me why everyone looks town in his opinion.

The thing about Holyflare is that it does not matter if it was an "obvious joke" or not. He very clearly knew exactly how DarthPunk would react to what he said, probably regardless of his alignment. What you were saying was basically that there are two people clarly just throwing shit at each other for no reason, you call that anti-town, but you only call one of the people out for it. Yes, i find that fishy. Apparently you did not realize that Holyflare KNOWS what happens to DarthPunk when he does that.

Anyways i am not interested in defending myself because there is nothing to defend.

Why are Artanis & Wave scummy?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 04 2014 11:52 GMT
#463
Wave isn't particularly scummy, he just got bumped down because other people got bumped up. Artanis because I have zero reason to believe he is town.

And again, if any townie actually believes my post calling for calm was unreasonable, then I'd like to hear it. Because it blatantly was not. Holy wasn't going around saying he was going to shoot random people.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 12:00 GMT
#464
Okay dude. I try this one more time.

It was not unreasonable to call for calm atmosphere. It was pro town.
To me it seemed like you were accusing DarthPunk for shit atmosphere, when in fact Holyflare was as much to blame for it. Yes, later on Holyflare dropped it and that is one reason i am leaning more towards him being town. He was clearly trolling at the start of the game and when thread went shit because of it he dropped it and started making reasonable posts. However, at the time you made your post HF had not dropped it. Going into rage mode (which DP did) is in my opinion not as scummy as silently making people go into rage mode (which HF did). That is my opinion and if you disagree with me fine, then you do. If yo uthink it makes me scummy fine, then it makes me scummy for you.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 04 2014 12:02 GMT
#465
HF had nothing to drop... he made one joke post on meta and one seriousish early case that wasn't so great. What was Holy supposed to be "dropping"?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 12:12 GMT
#466
On February 04 2014 21:02 marvellosity wrote:
HF had nothing to drop... he made one joke post on meta and one seriousish early case that wasn't so great. What was Holy supposed to be "dropping"?

The whole "let's bully DP" attitude. Come one man, it was quite obvious that was what he was doing.

Also how can you call me mafia based on me saying "I think Prome is scum because he can't possibly think everyone who has posted is town" when you disagree with Prome in the first place as you said Artanis in your opinion has done nothing townie?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 12:14 GMT
#467
I mean there are two possibilities:
1) What i say is right, and Holyflare trolled DP (yes, even in his "serious" case), or
2) What you say is right and there was nothing to drop, which brings me to;

Why did he then drop it? Why did he go after Wave and Prome if there was nothing to drop?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 04 2014 12:15 GMT
#468
If your accusation on him had included "but I think x or y (in this case Artanis) aren't townie, how can he think this" then I'd be more sympathetic, but you didn't say that - you made it into a general point, and as a general point it's meaningless.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 04 2014 12:16 GMT
#469
On February 04 2014 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean there are two possibilities:
1) What i say is right, and Holyflare trolled DP (yes, even in his "serious" case), or
2) What you say is right and there was nothing to drop, which brings me to;

Why did he then drop it? Why did he go after Wave and Prome if there was nothing to drop?

Because he decided DP wasn't so scummy and other people were?

:OOOOOOOO
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 12:19 GMT
#470
On February 04 2014 21:15 marvellosity wrote:
If your accusation on him had included "but I think x or y (in this case Artanis) aren't townie, how can he think this" then I'd be more sympathetic, but you didn't say that - you made it into a general point, and as a general point it's meaningless.

How does me thinking someone who has posted might be mafia have anything to do with if Prome's argument is legit or not?

Obviously, as i disagree with him, i think there are/were people who did not look townie. Yes, one of them is Artanis. Another one was you at that time. Although Prome explained his read on you, he said what Artanis did was not alignment indicative, and that's all Artanis has done.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 12:19 GMT
#471
On February 04 2014 21:16 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean there are two possibilities:
1) What i say is right, and Holyflare trolled DP (yes, even in his "serious" case), or
2) What you say is right and there was nothing to drop, which brings me to;

Why did he then drop it? Why did he go after Wave and Prome if there was nothing to drop?

Because he decided DP wasn't so scummy and other people were?

:OOOOOOOO

And you know this how? Did Holyflare ever say so? Because i must have missed it if he did.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 12:27 GMT
#472
On February 04 2014 14:45 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 12:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 04 2014 10:49 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 10:45 iamperfection wrote:
dp can get emotional as town.

answer my question dp its quite a simple one.


Yes. There is a difference though. Getting emotional in the game when people aren't doing something or are town that aren't listening is when it mostly happens. Getting emotional at someone pushing "shit cases" and being "awful" shouldn't trigger those same emotions though, your first thought should be that they are scum pushing an agenda and then further investigate. Especially as DP has said "HF is a good town player that I listened to" (in Titanic). So if he thinks I am being shit in this game he should jump to the conclusion that I am being scum. Yet, this anger relates to someone that has a scum mindset of a towny pushing a case that doesn't "make sense to me even if I AM scum".

Catching up, but....um...did you or did you not read my reactions to Toad's/Foolishness's terrible cases on me last game?

Your conclusions are completely wrong imo.


Toad's case was legitimately beyond terrible. This case was totally unjustified rage on a case that wasn't awful. How can you equate the two things at all? The fact that 3 people jumped onto him because of that shows that other people agree why so have you taken the opposite point of view?

Please explain how my conclusions are wrong.

Actually he hasn't even dropped it. It's in the sidelines in his post about Prome.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 04 2014 12:28 GMT
#473
Holyflare is allowed to find DP suspicious...

the only thing that might ever need to be dropped is trolling someone when you don't believe what you're saying.

I have no idea what you're trying to argue.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 12:28 GMT
#474
Ugh.. In fact the construction of the posts from HF on page 18 is really odd.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 12:30 GMT
#475
I am not trying to argue anything marv. I am trying to clarify to you why i said what i did.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 04 2014 12:33 GMT
#476
On February 04 2014 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not trying to argue anything marv. I am trying to clarify to you why i said what i did.

Yes, and my point is there was zero reason for the post you dopily critiqued should have been aimed at Holy, because he only made one troll meta case. In no universe should I be telling Holy anything when all he did was make a joke case. It was purely DP getting upset and threatening to do irrational things, so my post was aimed at him. I'm confused how you could get that so mixed up.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 04 2014 12:33 GMT
#477
Anyways I'm not interested in talking about you or your alignment anymore because it won't go anywhere.

I'm interested in what you have to say about Holy if you'd like to tell me though.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 12:34 GMT
#478
On February 04 2014 21:33 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not trying to argue anything marv. I am trying to clarify to you why i said what i did.

Yes, and my point is there was zero reason for the post you dopily critiqued should have been aimed at Holy, because he only made one troll meta case. In no universe should I be telling Holy anything when all he did was make a joke case. It was purely DP getting upset and threatening to do irrational things, so my post was aimed at him. I'm confused how you could get that so mixed up.

yes you are right because i missed the small paragraph about DP in his post on Prome.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2014 12:39 GMT
#479
On February 04 2014 21:33 marvellosity wrote:
Anyways I'm not interested in talking about you or your alignment anymore because it won't go anywhere.

I'm interested in what you have to say about Holy if you'd like to tell me though.

It's the way he posts on page 18.

After you and iamp disagree with his case on DP, he makes a big post about Prome. But at the top of the post there is a small paragraph about his case on DP. He does not really seem to want to argue with you or iamp about his case (which he apparently still believes is good - and that's why it makes very little sense to NOT argue about it).

After his case on Prome he makes another big post about Wave, which ends up in voting for him. To me it feels like he does not want to argue about his case on DP with you or iamp, but he does not want to drop the case either. And instead he "hides" his disagreement with you into two posts where he also changes his target (but he is still able to bring DP up later if needed).

The case on DP somehow fades away but it does not really fade.. if you get what i mean.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 04 2014 12:44 GMT
#480
How do you feel about the content of the cases themselves on Prome and Wave?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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