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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 30 2013 23:29 Zealously wrote: Something that is pretty sad is if Stork doesn't see anything else in Starcraft II than that. I watched the season 3 grand slam and I didn't see a lot of 200/200 death balls. Stork is just grumpy he can't storm drop like Dear can. | ||
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DinoToss
Poland507 Posts
When you see that Terror is 2nd highest balloon earner you understand that streaming is not all about Esports glory. | ||
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
On October 30 2013 23:26 lichter wrote: Kinda funny how people read the interview as sad Why? Sure, his viewpoint on being a progamer in the SC2-era is inspiring, but overall he's a shadow of his former self and his career seems to be sputtering to an end. It's very sad seeing Stork struggling as all his friends retire around him. | ||
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theMagus
578 Posts
On October 30 2013 23:44 DinoToss wrote: Stork grew as a teamplayer and stayed as a teamplayer, sure he is on high horse, its stork for fuck sake. But what he says has a glimpse of truth. Streaming and entartaining for money will not make people interested in esport. And he didnt shit on whole Sospa scene he said personal streams and he mentioned money and decadent behavior. He knew all those players well before(Sea? JangBi, Bisu? he was close with all of them), his point of view is definitely different than mine or yours when he saw them streaming. It is not good for esports that you have to become entairtainer to live on. In BW days players didnt need to do so, they had salaries and if they didnt have salaries they became good enough to get one. When you see that Terror is 2nd highest balloon earner you understand that streaming is not all about Esports glory. i agree, i can definitely see stork's side in all of this. personally, i would much rather see the amazing bw players in a formal professional setting than streaming for balloons. what's sad to me is that they have to resort to it to earn money while doing what they love so i can't blame them for streaming/entertaining either. they're kinda like ronins now. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On October 30 2013 23:42 Plansix wrote: I watched the season 3 grand slam and I didn't see a lot of 200/200 death balls. Stork is just grumpy he can't storm drop like Dear can. Exactly, if we talk about SC2, 200/200 Death balls were the thing in WoL, but really game evolved a lot since then. Armies are all over the place, and we usually have a ton of small skirmishes. | ||
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
On October 30 2013 23:42 Plansix wrote: I watched the season 3 grand slam and I didn't see a lot of 200/200 death balls. Stork is just grumpy he can't storm drop like Dear can. lol yeah, I think that's the reason. | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
I'm in line with his view on personal streaming. It doesn't help anybody except the Afreeca management which makes a nice income off the balloon transactions. Majority of players are delaying their military service while making chump change from begging for pennies. For the former superstars those pennies may mount up to significant bursts in income, yes, but how long will that be sustained? Every day, week, and month that they lounge around in their parents' basements streaming and online begging equates to that much time lost in preparing for a sustainable career in other fields. Personal streaming itself isn't the devil, it's the fact that progamers are delaying the inevitable transition in their lives with none or delusional thoughts for their futures. Moreover, on top of delaying one's own future, personal streaming does not achieve the one thing that pioneering legends like Boxer dedicated their careers to: creating a scene for the next generation. There needs to be a distinction between personal streaming and participating in the SSL / SOSPA-related tournaments, however. The SSL is essentially doing what Boxer and the pioneering crew did a decade and half ago - bring up a popular game to eSports status by giving players the opportunity to perform and become progamers. Just recently the draft work for a SOSPA team league came up as a hot topic in the BW forums, again showing similar steps that we already saw long ago. The question is, why do we have to go through growing pains again? Here we can trace it back to what Stork said and question the players and their dedication to the "entire scene" as opposed to personal gains. Perhaps the current state doesn't easily give way for a resurgence of BW within the KeSPA/OGN-domain, when LoL is dominating the OGN time slots and SC2 is rigidly in place (despite the lack of public interest). For all I know, Blizzard doesn't give a fuck about what happens in Korea ever since they didn't get an outright clear win in the legal fiasco before the transition, letting the Korean scene dry out while they scramble to keep the NA/EU scene going. Some, like Xellos and Cloud, have started new careers and new lives. Some, like Boxer, have spent significant time, fortune, and effort to sustain the scene. You're either in or out. Others retreat to unknown corners and exchange the last crumpets of their legacy for pennies. | ||
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itsdaniel
Austria331 Posts
On October 30 2013 23:09 Shana wrote: Can't believe I'm gonna say this ever, but I fucking hate Stork now. I have been a fans for so long, evenw watching his sc2 match. But the way he badmouthing afreeca/sospa scene break my heart. your opinion and that khan sign...this is so offensive to me...i can't believe this isn't a temp ban | ||
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lemmata
465 Posts
Q: Are you envious of the retired players who are enjoying great popularity with fans by streaming? A: I am very down on these personal streams. It makes me sad to see these players ruin their own public image on stream. It is difficult to get a positive impression from such streams because even the players who were involved in the match-fixing scandal are streaming. I have a lot of pride as a pro gamer. When we played, 10s of thousands of people came to cheer. What those fans cheered for was ultimately the high-level of play shown by the players. Some of the streamers not only dispel the fantasy/mystique of pro gaming but also engage in behavior that regards fans as sources of money and nothing more. These players were perfectly normal people when they were pro gamers. It is tragic that they will debase themselves to such extent just for money. There's nothing wrong with streaming if your motives are pure, but I hope that no one will stream only for money. Of course, there are players who are indeed streaming with pure motives. Stork seems to be mainly unhappy about streamers on Afreeca who are destroying the public image of pro gamers. If you watch those streams, many are constantly swearing, begging for money, treating fans who don't donate balloons like shit, and just overall acting like ignorant assholes. I think that Bisu/Mind/hero/killer probably behave decently for the most part. Sea's stream is pretty darn embarrassing at times, but he's far from the worst in terms of this behavior. There's been a conservative movement in Korea to include computer gaming as one of the 4 Great Evils of society to be targeted by the government (along with alcohol, drugs, and gambling). The public image of pro gamers is important to ensuring the survival of the industry. I won't agree with everything Stork said, but he is 1) not condemning all streaming on Afreeca (only the ones embarrassing themselves and the pro gaming community) 2) saying that pro gamers should feel some personal responsibility to their profession. Finally, I just want to say that this interview made me so sad. Reading between the lines, it seems that Stork has been dealing with some serious depression issues that required treatment. When he says that the medicine he was prescribed (by a psychiatrist) contributed to his weight gain, I cannot help but think that it is also affecting his level of play by inhibiting certain neural pathways. | ||
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Amanebak
Czech Republic528 Posts
On October 30 2013 23:44 DinoToss wrote: Stork grew as a teamplayer and stayed as a teamplayer, sure he is on high horse, its stork for fuck sake. But what he says has a glimpse of truth. Streaming and entartaining for money will not make people interested in esport. And he didnt shit on whole Sospa scene he said personal streams and he mentioned money and decadent behavior. He knew all those players well before(Sea? JangBi, Bisu? he was close with all of them), his point of view is definitely different than mine or yours when he saw them streaming. It is not good for esports that you have to become entairtainer to live on. In BW days players didnt need to do so, they had salaries and if they didnt have salaries they became good enough to get one. When you see that Terror is 2nd highest balloon earner you understand that streaming is not all about Esports glory. He also said that it is players' fault that there is small fanbase of sc2, because there is not enough showmanship. Showmanship and decadent behavior don't have to be too different. Besides, he plays for money. I don't get, what's bad about streaming for money. Edit: ok, it has already been explained in the post above. | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On October 31 2013 00:19 itsdaniel wrote: your opinion and that khan sign...this is so offensive to me...i can't believe this isn't a temp ban I don't understand it, Stork seems completely reasonable in his reasoning. As I've said before, I defo agree with Stork and with what he has to say regarding this. | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
SC2 Hwaiting!!! | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On October 30 2013 23:26 Xiphos wrote: It is very apparent that Stork is extremely jelly of BW streamers for enjoying themselves while making a living doing so. You can't expect people to stop playing BW if they "retire". That's imbecile on so many levels. It is imbecile to judge someone based on a double translated interview.... | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
This was one of those interviews that kinda makes me want to stop trying to be a progamer, what with all the doom and gloom over the state of SC2 and the general pro player base. | ||
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fluidin
Singapore1084 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10565 Posts
Which is a perfectly fine position? | ||
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Nerevar
547 Posts
On October 31 2013 00:56 Velr wrote: Isn't he like just dissmissing the Destinies and "late" Idras? People that get tons of viewers because they play "decent/good" but mainly because they rage and create General drama? Which is a perfectly fine position? I wouldn't be surprised if terror[fou]'s antics contributed to his views of the streaming scene. | ||
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mechengineer123
Ukraine711 Posts
Disagree with his view on streamers. I would agree with the hate of "bad, but very popular streamers", who ruin the image of being a successful gamer, but he seems to be against any streaming whatsoever, which is kind of silly imo. | ||
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LockeTazeline
2390 Posts
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