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As someone who never followed BW, I always liked Stork partly because I'm a Toss fan, but also because I admire the fact that despite his lack of results in light of his many BW accomplishments, he's still determined to stick with SC2 and try his best even while other younger ex-BW progamers who have done better in SC2 than him are retiring. I hope his dedication pays off!
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Stork brought me to eSports basically... This was 7 years ago. Since then he has been my idol and I will work hard to travel to Seoul one time, just to meet him in person. Would be the biggest honor in my life. That said WCG 2008 Grand Finals was a tragic day... I didnt get to cologne, which is one hour by car from here, cause something cruel happened in my family.
But one day I will meet him and thank him for all the love and optimism he gave my life in hard times.
Thx you Stork <3
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On October 31 2013 00:51 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 23:26 Xiphos wrote:
It is very apparent that Stork is extremely jelly of BW streamers for enjoying themselves while making a living doing so. You can't expect people to stop playing BW if they "retire". That's imbecile on so many levels. It is imbecile to judge someone based on a double translated interview....
+ Show Spoiler +On October 31 2013 02:42 OpticalShot wrote:I feel like these doubly-translated threads are baits for the direct translators to come out and clarify... well I'm baited. Here's the original Korean text and my direct translation for the streaming part. + Show Spoiler [Original Korean] +- 그래도 은퇴한 선수들은 개인방송을 통해서 팬들을 찾고 있잖아요. 인기가 장난이 아니던데, 부럽지는 않아요?
▶ 저는 개인방송에 대해서 굉장히 부정적이거든요. 방송에서 망가지는 모습을 보니까 안타까워요. 조작 사건과 관련된 선수도 방송을 하잖아요. 그러니 더더욱 개인방송에 대해 좋은 인상을 받기가 어렵죠. 저는 프로게이머로서의 프라이드가 강해요. 관중들이 한 둘씩 오는 것이 아니라 몇 만 명씩 와서 환호를 하잖아요. 그런 팬들이 좋아했던 것은 궁극적으로 그 선수의 플레이잖아요. 개인방송을 하는 사람들 중에 일부는 그런 환상을 모두 깨는 동시에, 팬들을 돈으로 보는 행동을 해요. 분명히 대회장에서 보면 정말 멀쩡했거든요. 그런데 돈을 위해 그렇게까지 변한다는 점이 무척 아쉬워요. 순수한 의도면 모를까 돈을 위한 방송은 하지 않았으면 좋겠어요. 물론 안 그런 선수들도 있지만요.
- Still, many retired progamers are interacting with their fans via their personal streams. [These streamers/streams] are quite popular, are you perhaps jealous of them? ▶ My view on those personal streams is very negative. It's sad to see them embarrass themselves in their broadcasts. Besides, even those associated with the matchfixing scandal are streaming, and that makes it even harder to view the streams in a positive light. I take great personal pride in being a progamer. Fans don't come one by one, they come by the tens of thousands to cheer [for the progamers/teams]. For those fans, the core motivation behind their loyalty is the player's skill. Some of the [ex-progamer] streamers shatter those images while broadcasting, and [even do things that show] they treat the fans as money [and nothing more]. All of these guys were perfectly fine before [when I met them / was with them in eSports stadiums/competitions]. That's why it's so disappointing to see these guys turn [into what I described above] just for money. Streaming for [enjoyment of the game, etc.] is fine, but I hope they don't stream for the sole purpose of making money. Of course, not all streamers are like that. So in this case, the translation in the OP is not too far off... maybe this thread won't be closed like the iloveoov's lol.
Read it. Utter delusion and ineptitude to think that ex-pros don't need to create a captivating streaming persona in order to eat. Please consider all factors first before posting.
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Stork just got a new fan. What a cool guy.
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Who is Stork referring to that is "shattering their images" streaming on Afreeca? Only one I can think of is Terror, but he was barely a pro. I've never seen any of the top ex-pros do anything crazy for donations.
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On October 31 2013 06:50 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 00:51 vthree wrote:On October 30 2013 23:26 Xiphos wrote:
It is very apparent that Stork is extremely jelly of BW streamers for enjoying themselves while making a living doing so. You can't expect people to stop playing BW if they "retire". That's imbecile on so many levels. It is imbecile to judge someone based on a double translated interview.... + Show Spoiler +On October 31 2013 02:42 OpticalShot wrote:I feel like these doubly-translated threads are baits for the direct translators to come out and clarify... well I'm baited. Here's the original Korean text and my direct translation for the streaming part. + Show Spoiler [Original Korean] +- 그래도 은퇴한 선수들은 개인방송을 통해서 팬들을 찾고 있잖아요. 인기가 장난이 아니던데, 부럽지는 않아요?
▶ 저는 개인방송에 대해서 굉장히 부정적이거든요. 방송에서 망가지는 모습을 보니까 안타까워요. 조작 사건과 관련된 선수도 방송을 하잖아요. 그러니 더더욱 개인방송에 대해 좋은 인상을 받기가 어렵죠. 저는 프로게이머로서의 프라이드가 강해요. 관중들이 한 둘씩 오는 것이 아니라 몇 만 명씩 와서 환호를 하잖아요. 그런 팬들이 좋아했던 것은 궁극적으로 그 선수의 플레이잖아요. 개인방송을 하는 사람들 중에 일부는 그런 환상을 모두 깨는 동시에, 팬들을 돈으로 보는 행동을 해요. 분명히 대회장에서 보면 정말 멀쩡했거든요. 그런데 돈을 위해 그렇게까지 변한다는 점이 무척 아쉬워요. 순수한 의도면 모를까 돈을 위한 방송은 하지 않았으면 좋겠어요. 물론 안 그런 선수들도 있지만요.
- Still, many retired progamers are interacting with their fans via their personal streams. [These streamers/streams] are quite popular, are you perhaps jealous of them? ▶ My view on those personal streams is very negative. It's sad to see them embarrass themselves in their broadcasts. Besides, even those associated with the matchfixing scandal are streaming, and that makes it even harder to view the streams in a positive light. I take great personal pride in being a progamer. Fans don't come one by one, they come by the tens of thousands to cheer [for the progamers/teams]. For those fans, the core motivation behind their loyalty is the player's skill. Some of the [ex-progamer] streamers shatter those images while broadcasting, and [even do things that show] they treat the fans as money [and nothing more]. All of these guys were perfectly fine before [when I met them / was with them in eSports stadiums/competitions]. That's why it's so disappointing to see these guys turn [into what I described above] just for money. Streaming for [enjoyment of the game, etc.] is fine, but I hope they don't stream for the sole purpose of making money. Of course, not all streamers are like that. So in this case, the translation in the OP is not too far off... maybe this thread won't be closed like the iloveoov's lol. Read it. Utter delusion and ineptitude to think that ex-pros don't need to create a captivating streaming persona in order to eat. Please consider all factors first before posting.
Got to agree with xiphos here the second translation from optical shot says that he is no beef with ex-programer streaming for the fun of playing it and well I am all for the greater good of playing the game for fun but there is a reason they are streaming in the first place . The ex-progamer does what he likes to do play Bw and on the sidelines people donate because they like what they are seeing and getting . Don't see how stork has a problem with that people got to eat and they don't have their usual monthly salary anymore...
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On October 31 2013 09:12 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 06:50 Xiphos wrote:On October 31 2013 00:51 vthree wrote:On October 30 2013 23:26 Xiphos wrote:
It is very apparent that Stork is extremely jelly of BW streamers for enjoying themselves while making a living doing so. You can't expect people to stop playing BW if they "retire". That's imbecile on so many levels. It is imbecile to judge someone based on a double translated interview.... + Show Spoiler +On October 31 2013 02:42 OpticalShot wrote:I feel like these doubly-translated threads are baits for the direct translators to come out and clarify... well I'm baited. Here's the original Korean text and my direct translation for the streaming part. + Show Spoiler [Original Korean] +- 그래도 은퇴한 선수들은 개인방송을 통해서 팬들을 찾고 있잖아요. 인기가 장난이 아니던데, 부럽지는 않아요?
▶ 저는 개인방송에 대해서 굉장히 부정적이거든요. 방송에서 망가지는 모습을 보니까 안타까워요. 조작 사건과 관련된 선수도 방송을 하잖아요. 그러니 더더욱 개인방송에 대해 좋은 인상을 받기가 어렵죠. 저는 프로게이머로서의 프라이드가 강해요. 관중들이 한 둘씩 오는 것이 아니라 몇 만 명씩 와서 환호를 하잖아요. 그런 팬들이 좋아했던 것은 궁극적으로 그 선수의 플레이잖아요. 개인방송을 하는 사람들 중에 일부는 그런 환상을 모두 깨는 동시에, 팬들을 돈으로 보는 행동을 해요. 분명히 대회장에서 보면 정말 멀쩡했거든요. 그런데 돈을 위해 그렇게까지 변한다는 점이 무척 아쉬워요. 순수한 의도면 모를까 돈을 위한 방송은 하지 않았으면 좋겠어요. 물론 안 그런 선수들도 있지만요.
- Still, many retired progamers are interacting with their fans via their personal streams. [These streamers/streams] are quite popular, are you perhaps jealous of them? ▶ My view on those personal streams is very negative. It's sad to see them embarrass themselves in their broadcasts. Besides, even those associated with the matchfixing scandal are streaming, and that makes it even harder to view the streams in a positive light. I take great personal pride in being a progamer. Fans don't come one by one, they come by the tens of thousands to cheer [for the progamers/teams]. For those fans, the core motivation behind their loyalty is the player's skill. Some of the [ex-progamer] streamers shatter those images while broadcasting, and [even do things that show] they treat the fans as money [and nothing more]. All of these guys were perfectly fine before [when I met them / was with them in eSports stadiums/competitions]. That's why it's so disappointing to see these guys turn [into what I described above] just for money. Streaming for [enjoyment of the game, etc.] is fine, but I hope they don't stream for the sole purpose of making money. Of course, not all streamers are like that. So in this case, the translation in the OP is not too far off... maybe this thread won't be closed like the iloveoov's lol. Read it. Utter delusion and ineptitude to think that ex-pros don't need to create a captivating streaming persona in order to eat. Please consider all factors first before posting. Got to agree with xiphos here the second translation from optical shot says that he is no beef with ex-programer streaming for the fun of playing it and well I am all for the greater good of playing the game for fun but there is a reason they are streaming in the first place . The ex-progamer does what he likes to do play Bw and on the sidelines people donate because they like what they are seeing and getting . Don't see how stork has a problem with that people got to eat and they don't have their usual monthly salary anymore...
Benefit of the doubt would be he saw 1a2a3a[fOu] and immediately began convulsing. When he came to, he decided he needed a drink, but on the way he met the interviewer and he decided that he might as well kill two birds with one stone. But seriously, I doubt he's an idiot. Ex-pros trying to make ends meet while still living the dream should be tolerable to him. Only a fool would be as purist as people seem to think Stork is.
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I really hope Stork makes a breakthrough someday. His determination should be rewarded! 
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On October 31 2013 10:10 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 09:12 Sawamura wrote:On October 31 2013 06:50 Xiphos wrote:On October 31 2013 00:51 vthree wrote:On October 30 2013 23:26 Xiphos wrote:
It is very apparent that Stork is extremely jelly of BW streamers for enjoying themselves while making a living doing so. You can't expect people to stop playing BW if they "retire". That's imbecile on so many levels. It is imbecile to judge someone based on a double translated interview.... + Show Spoiler +On October 31 2013 02:42 OpticalShot wrote:I feel like these doubly-translated threads are baits for the direct translators to come out and clarify... well I'm baited. Here's the original Korean text and my direct translation for the streaming part. + Show Spoiler [Original Korean] +- 그래도 은퇴한 선수들은 개인방송을 통해서 팬들을 찾고 있잖아요. 인기가 장난이 아니던데, 부럽지는 않아요?
▶ 저는 개인방송에 대해서 굉장히 부정적이거든요. 방송에서 망가지는 모습을 보니까 안타까워요. 조작 사건과 관련된 선수도 방송을 하잖아요. 그러니 더더욱 개인방송에 대해 좋은 인상을 받기가 어렵죠. 저는 프로게이머로서의 프라이드가 강해요. 관중들이 한 둘씩 오는 것이 아니라 몇 만 명씩 와서 환호를 하잖아요. 그런 팬들이 좋아했던 것은 궁극적으로 그 선수의 플레이잖아요. 개인방송을 하는 사람들 중에 일부는 그런 환상을 모두 깨는 동시에, 팬들을 돈으로 보는 행동을 해요. 분명히 대회장에서 보면 정말 멀쩡했거든요. 그런데 돈을 위해 그렇게까지 변한다는 점이 무척 아쉬워요. 순수한 의도면 모를까 돈을 위한 방송은 하지 않았으면 좋겠어요. 물론 안 그런 선수들도 있지만요.
- Still, many retired progamers are interacting with their fans via their personal streams. [These streamers/streams] are quite popular, are you perhaps jealous of them? ▶ My view on those personal streams is very negative. It's sad to see them embarrass themselves in their broadcasts. Besides, even those associated with the matchfixing scandal are streaming, and that makes it even harder to view the streams in a positive light. I take great personal pride in being a progamer. Fans don't come one by one, they come by the tens of thousands to cheer [for the progamers/teams]. For those fans, the core motivation behind their loyalty is the player's skill. Some of the [ex-progamer] streamers shatter those images while broadcasting, and [even do things that show] they treat the fans as money [and nothing more]. All of these guys were perfectly fine before [when I met them / was with them in eSports stadiums/competitions]. That's why it's so disappointing to see these guys turn [into what I described above] just for money. Streaming for [enjoyment of the game, etc.] is fine, but I hope they don't stream for the sole purpose of making money. Of course, not all streamers are like that. So in this case, the translation in the OP is not too far off... maybe this thread won't be closed like the iloveoov's lol. Read it. Utter delusion and ineptitude to think that ex-pros don't need to create a captivating streaming persona in order to eat. Please consider all factors first before posting. Got to agree with xiphos here the second translation from optical shot says that he is no beef with ex-programer streaming for the fun of playing it and well I am all for the greater good of playing the game for fun but there is a reason they are streaming in the first place . The ex-progamer does what he likes to do play Bw and on the sidelines people donate because they like what they are seeing and getting . Don't see how stork has a problem with that people got to eat and they don't have their usual monthly salary anymore... Benefit of the doubt would be he saw 1a2a3a[fOu] and immediately began convulsing. When he came to, he decided he needed a drink, but on the way he met the interviewer and he decided that he might as well kill two birds with one stone. But seriously, I doubt he's an idiot. Ex-pros trying to make ends meet while still living the dream should be tolerable to him. Only a fool would be as purist as people seem to think Stork is.
Drinking alcohol + unclear criticism on streamers = killing two birds with one stone? M'kay...
A lenient analysis would be that Stork drank too much that he wasn't able to iterate his idea as well as sober. That's the absolute best case scenario one can think of. But we, as readers can't assume that so we have to accept that there are consequences for everything you say. So completely think through your thoughts before expressing them.
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Much love for Dinotoss! Thanks for this awesome translation!
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Oh, Stork, it's been way too long. My first, last, and best esports hero; the guy who got me into Starcraft, the guy who's kept me watching all through the years. He's by far the nicest, most genuine esports personality I know.
Stork is a player in the vein of Boxer; he's interested not just in winning games and getting prize money, but in maintaining professionalism and advancing the esports scene as a whole, making it a truly respectable and sustainable profession. Given this, his negative view on Afreeca streams makes sense, especially in a post-match-fixing Korean context, where respect and good behavior is incredibly important, and progaming is always in danger of being stigmatized as a dishonest and disreputable profession. The fact that despite producing bad results, he's still willing to continue working and playing and entertaining for the sake of the scene and esports is quite amazing. I'm sad to see that he's been facing problems with depression, but the way he's able to handle that and still keep going is...again, quite humbling.
In short, Stork is the man, and this interview proves it more than ever. Seeing Stork dominate a tournament again would be probably one of the four or five best things in the world. STORK FIGHTING!
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Cloudtemplar, what a man to be admired even by stork.
I sure think that CT is man amongst men. (#1 CT fan on TL speaking).
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On October 31 2013 00:20 lemmata wrote:As to be expected of a translation of a translation, the translation is pretty bad. That said, it is still an interesting interview. Show nested quote +Q: Are you envious of the retired players who are enjoying great popularity with fans by streaming?
A: I am very down on these personal streams. It makes me sad to see these players ruin their own public image on stream. It is difficult to get a positive impression from such streams because even the players who were involved in the match-fixing scandal are streaming. I have a lot of pride as a pro gamer. When we played, 10s of thousands of people came to cheer. What those fans cheered for was ultimately the high-level of play shown by the players. Some of the streamers not only dispel the fantasy/mystique of pro gaming but also engage in behavior that regards fans as sources of money and nothing more. These players were perfectly normal people when they were pro gamers. It is tragic that they will debase themselves to such extent just for money. There's nothing wrong with streaming if your motives are pure, but I hope that no one will stream only for money. Of course, there are players who are indeed streaming with pure motives. Stork seems to be mainly unhappy about streamers on Afreeca who are destroying the public image of pro gamers. If you watch those streams, many are constantly swearing, begging for money, treating fans who don't donate balloons like shit, and just overall acting like ignorant assholes. I think that Bisu/Mind/hero/killer probably behave decently for the most part. Sea's stream is pretty darn embarrassing at times, but he's far from the worst in terms of this behavior. There's been a conservative movement in Korea to include computer gaming as one of the 4 Great Evils of society to be targeted by the government (along with alcohol, drugs, and gambling). The public image of pro gamers is important to ensuring the survival of the industry. I won't agree with everything Stork said, but he is 1) not condemning all streaming on Afreeca (only the ones embarrassing themselves and the pro gaming community) 2) saying that pro gamers should feel some personal responsibility to their profession. Finally, I just want to say that this interview made me so sad. Reading between the lines, it seems that Stork has been dealing with some serious depression issues that required treatment. When he says that the medicine he was prescribed (by a psychiatrist) contributed to his weight gain, I cannot help but think that it is also affecting his level of play by inhibiting certain neural pathways.
I didnt watch afreeca stream, how is Sea stream embarassing?
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On October 31 2013 11:34 XiaoJoyce- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 00:20 lemmata wrote:As to be expected of a translation of a translation, the translation is pretty bad. That said, it is still an interesting interview. Q: Are you envious of the retired players who are enjoying great popularity with fans by streaming?
A: I am very down on these personal streams. It makes me sad to see these players ruin their own public image on stream. It is difficult to get a positive impression from such streams because even the players who were involved in the match-fixing scandal are streaming. I have a lot of pride as a pro gamer. When we played, 10s of thousands of people came to cheer. What those fans cheered for was ultimately the high-level of play shown by the players. Some of the streamers not only dispel the fantasy/mystique of pro gaming but also engage in behavior that regards fans as sources of money and nothing more. These players were perfectly normal people when they were pro gamers. It is tragic that they will debase themselves to such extent just for money. There's nothing wrong with streaming if your motives are pure, but I hope that no one will stream only for money. Of course, there are players who are indeed streaming with pure motives. Stork seems to be mainly unhappy about streamers on Afreeca who are destroying the public image of pro gamers. If you watch those streams, many are constantly swearing, begging for money, treating fans who don't donate balloons like shit, and just overall acting like ignorant assholes. I think that Bisu/Mind/hero/killer probably behave decently for the most part. Sea's stream is pretty darn embarrassing at times, but he's far from the worst in terms of this behavior. There's been a conservative movement in Korea to include computer gaming as one of the 4 Great Evils of society to be targeted by the government (along with alcohol, drugs, and gambling). The public image of pro gamers is important to ensuring the survival of the industry. I won't agree with everything Stork said, but he is 1) not condemning all streaming on Afreeca (only the ones embarrassing themselves and the pro gaming community) 2) saying that pro gamers should feel some personal responsibility to their profession. Finally, I just want to say that this interview made me so sad. Reading between the lines, it seems that Stork has been dealing with some serious depression issues that required treatment. When he says that the medicine he was prescribed (by a psychiatrist) contributed to his weight gain, I cannot help but think that it is also affecting his level of play by inhibiting certain neural pathways. I didnt watch afreeca stream, how is Sea stream embarassing?
Basically Stork is saying that you shouldn't pull any "charismatic" moves just to get money but that's the main reason why people would watch streamers in the first place because of their personalities.
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On October 31 2013 02:37 supernovamaniac wrote:
lemmata is on point here.
Stork doesn't criticize the concept of BW afreeca streaming. He condemns the progamers who break their previous image to beg for money, start cursing at fans, etc (and I can name a few).
That's why he also talks about the pride of being a progamer. He believes that if you were a progamer, even if you retire, you should keep your image infront of your fans. Especially if you're going to do personal streaming that involves the game that helped you gain the fans in the first place.
Yeah, based on the second translation, I suspect he's more thinking of people like Terror. And whoever it was that swimming in alcohol poured out on his floor and hammering hole in his wall 'for the fans.' Or was that all Terror? I don't remember anymore. Anyways, afreeca is for the most part cool with all the former progamers. But there is a dark underbelly where some of them will do anything degrading for money and I would agree it is very sad to see. Like watching Charlie Sheen's train wreck on camera except not nearly so psychadelic.
Also more ceremonies Too bad he doesn't win to show them.
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On October 31 2013 11:37 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 11:34 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On October 31 2013 00:20 lemmata wrote:As to be expected of a translation of a translation, the translation is pretty bad. That said, it is still an interesting interview. Q: Are you envious of the retired players who are enjoying great popularity with fans by streaming?
A: I am very down on these personal streams. It makes me sad to see these players ruin their own public image on stream. It is difficult to get a positive impression from such streams because even the players who were involved in the match-fixing scandal are streaming. I have a lot of pride as a pro gamer. When we played, 10s of thousands of people came to cheer. What those fans cheered for was ultimately the high-level of play shown by the players. Some of the streamers not only dispel the fantasy/mystique of pro gaming but also engage in behavior that regards fans as sources of money and nothing more. These players were perfectly normal people when they were pro gamers. It is tragic that they will debase themselves to such extent just for money. There's nothing wrong with streaming if your motives are pure, but I hope that no one will stream only for money. Of course, there are players who are indeed streaming with pure motives. Stork seems to be mainly unhappy about streamers on Afreeca who are destroying the public image of pro gamers. If you watch those streams, many are constantly swearing, begging for money, treating fans who don't donate balloons like shit, and just overall acting like ignorant assholes. I think that Bisu/Mind/hero/killer probably behave decently for the most part. Sea's stream is pretty darn embarrassing at times, but he's far from the worst in terms of this behavior. There's been a conservative movement in Korea to include computer gaming as one of the 4 Great Evils of society to be targeted by the government (along with alcohol, drugs, and gambling). The public image of pro gamers is important to ensuring the survival of the industry. I won't agree with everything Stork said, but he is 1) not condemning all streaming on Afreeca (only the ones embarrassing themselves and the pro gaming community) 2) saying that pro gamers should feel some personal responsibility to their profession. Finally, I just want to say that this interview made me so sad. Reading between the lines, it seems that Stork has been dealing with some serious depression issues that required treatment. When he says that the medicine he was prescribed (by a psychiatrist) contributed to his weight gain, I cannot help but think that it is also affecting his level of play by inhibiting certain neural pathways. I didnt watch afreeca stream, how is Sea stream embarassing? Basically Stork is saying that you shouldn't pull any "charismatic" moves just to get money but that's the main reason why people would watch streamers in the first place because of their personalities.
That's not what he's saying at all, especially since he makes a point to talk about how it's the responsibility of professional players to show their personalities and be entertaining for the spectators. Stork of all people does hate everyone who's open or shows personality.
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On October 31 2013 10:19 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 10:10 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On October 31 2013 09:12 Sawamura wrote:On October 31 2013 06:50 Xiphos wrote:On October 31 2013 00:51 vthree wrote:On October 30 2013 23:26 Xiphos wrote:
It is very apparent that Stork is extremely jelly of BW streamers for enjoying themselves while making a living doing so. You can't expect people to stop playing BW if they "retire". That's imbecile on so many levels. It is imbecile to judge someone based on a double translated interview.... + Show Spoiler +On October 31 2013 02:42 OpticalShot wrote:I feel like these doubly-translated threads are baits for the direct translators to come out and clarify... well I'm baited. Here's the original Korean text and my direct translation for the streaming part. + Show Spoiler [Original Korean] +- 그래도 은퇴한 선수들은 개인방송을 통해서 팬들을 찾고 있잖아요. 인기가 장난이 아니던데, 부럽지는 않아요?
▶ 저는 개인방송에 대해서 굉장히 부정적이거든요. 방송에서 망가지는 모습을 보니까 안타까워요. 조작 사건과 관련된 선수도 방송을 하잖아요. 그러니 더더욱 개인방송에 대해 좋은 인상을 받기가 어렵죠. 저는 프로게이머로서의 프라이드가 강해요. 관중들이 한 둘씩 오는 것이 아니라 몇 만 명씩 와서 환호를 하잖아요. 그런 팬들이 좋아했던 것은 궁극적으로 그 선수의 플레이잖아요. 개인방송을 하는 사람들 중에 일부는 그런 환상을 모두 깨는 동시에, 팬들을 돈으로 보는 행동을 해요. 분명히 대회장에서 보면 정말 멀쩡했거든요. 그런데 돈을 위해 그렇게까지 변한다는 점이 무척 아쉬워요. 순수한 의도면 모를까 돈을 위한 방송은 하지 않았으면 좋겠어요. 물론 안 그런 선수들도 있지만요.
- Still, many retired progamers are interacting with their fans via their personal streams. [These streamers/streams] are quite popular, are you perhaps jealous of them? ▶ My view on those personal streams is very negative. It's sad to see them embarrass themselves in their broadcasts. Besides, even those associated with the matchfixing scandal are streaming, and that makes it even harder to view the streams in a positive light. I take great personal pride in being a progamer. Fans don't come one by one, they come by the tens of thousands to cheer [for the progamers/teams]. For those fans, the core motivation behind their loyalty is the player's skill. Some of the [ex-progamer] streamers shatter those images while broadcasting, and [even do things that show] they treat the fans as money [and nothing more]. All of these guys were perfectly fine before [when I met them / was with them in eSports stadiums/competitions]. That's why it's so disappointing to see these guys turn [into what I described above] just for money. Streaming for [enjoyment of the game, etc.] is fine, but I hope they don't stream for the sole purpose of making money. Of course, not all streamers are like that. So in this case, the translation in the OP is not too far off... maybe this thread won't be closed like the iloveoov's lol. Read it. Utter delusion and ineptitude to think that ex-pros don't need to create a captivating streaming persona in order to eat. Please consider all factors first before posting. Got to agree with xiphos here the second translation from optical shot says that he is no beef with ex-programer streaming for the fun of playing it and well I am all for the greater good of playing the game for fun but there is a reason they are streaming in the first place . The ex-progamer does what he likes to do play Bw and on the sidelines people donate because they like what they are seeing and getting . Don't see how stork has a problem with that people got to eat and they don't have their usual monthly salary anymore... Benefit of the doubt would be he saw 1a2a3a[fOu] and immediately began convulsing. When he came to, he decided he needed a drink, but on the way he met the interviewer and he decided that he might as well kill two birds with one stone. But seriously, I doubt he's an idiot. Ex-pros trying to make ends meet while still living the dream should be tolerable to him. Only a fool would be as purist as people seem to think Stork is. Drinking alcohol + unclear criticism on streamers = killing two birds with one stone? M'kay... A lenient analysis would be that Stork drank too much that he wasn't able to iterate his idea as well as sober. That's the absolute best case scenario one can think of. But we, as readers can't assume that so we have to accept that there are consequences for everything you say. So completely think through your thoughts before expressing them.
I was joking. Only an idiot would think that Stork's plan was to drown his sorrows in alcohol and go on a drunken rant during an interview.
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Great interview. I've always thought that being a pro-gamer is very difficult, there's just not much future in it. On one hand, you want to see your favourite progamer play but on the other hand they are subjected to harsh training and not much life beyond that. They have no where to transition to after their career ends. They probably have no (higher) education, no prior work experience, so they probably would have to start from scratch.
I also agreed with Stork's statement regarding Afreeca streaming. Although some say that it's beneficial for SC:BW revival, I think his point is the streamers are embarassing themselves on stream just for money. Instead of being professional they are clowning around entertaining the fans just for balloons. For example, I've tuned into Bisu's stream a few times and it hurts me to see him fake excitement for a dollar balloon(s) and thanking the fans endlessly. If he wants to thank the fans like he said he should show that by playing good games and perhaps being more professional rather than being an entertainer. Regarding other streamers, let's just say they are more clowny than him. My image of Korean pro(fessional) gamers have somewhat been shattered by their streaming. Bisu hit me hardest 
OpticalShot said it very well regarding transition in their lives and sustainability of streaming here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20099874
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illsick
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so Dear and Stork are Hero fans :D
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