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[Interview] Stork after soju - Page 7

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InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
October 31 2013 05:37 GMT
#121
Oh I remember the old days when I read this interview. Stork was by far my favorite all time bw progamer. I loved this Dino-toss!
Stork protoss legend
cutler
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany609 Posts
October 31 2013 05:49 GMT
#122
So a proud guy. We need more players like him...who are proud of being a progamer and not begging for money by being attention ****. Play the game with passion and love or leave it alone.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 06:37:51
October 31 2013 06:37 GMT
#123
Reading about the one dinosaur fan... so sad.



All I want is for the BW legends to find success, be it in SC2, LoL, Broodwar... doesn't matter to me I just want for them to be happy and successful!

Storku pls win.
Retvrn to Forvms
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44088 Posts
October 31 2013 06:50 GMT
#124
On October 31 2013 14:19 illsick wrote:
so Dear and Stork are Hero fans :D

who doesnt love hero :D
this is a quote
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 07:27:14
October 31 2013 07:26 GMT
#125
On October 31 2013 14:19 illsick wrote:
so Dear and Stork are Hero fans :D

HerO's style is really intensive and very interesting to watch. There's a reason why people call him miniBisu.
Sad that the real Bisu is suck at SC2.
jackslater
Profile Joined November 2012
Russian Federation604 Posts
October 31 2013 07:59 GMT
#126
Storky <3
flashimba
Profile Joined May 2011
225 Posts
October 31 2013 08:08 GMT
#127
Stork will always be my favorite, even if he plays that game. I'll be waiting...
glzElectromaster
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Japan2474 Posts
October 31 2013 08:28 GMT
#128
Dunno why people are so butthurt over Stork dissing the Afreeca scene. While I love constant BW streaming by former pros, I think he feels that its basically destroying the former prestige broodwar had. Not gonna argue if thats a good thing or not, but he has a point, and he feels the work he put in the past 10 years to grow the scene starting to become in vain. A lot of them are younger than him, so I guess that has something to do with it too.

Not to say, one of the original streamers on Afreeca were Terror and Savior, and they don't necessarily foster a nice image for the Neo Broodwar scene...and maybe Stork's mind got locked on that image.
RIP Kt. Violet | In solitude, where we are least alone
myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
October 31 2013 08:38 GMT
#129
On October 30 2013 21:49 Zealously wrote:
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On October 30 2013 21:47 amazingxkcd wrote:
Can't believe that I'm saying this, but Stork really does need to get off his high horse of bashing afreeca streamers who are reviving BW. his stance that the streamers are corrupting themselves is on bad foundations when these streamers are leading the pathway for BW coming back into the spotlight, even though the scene itself is less rigid than what KeSPA had in place.


I think he's disappointed in that they gave up on the new challenge that came with SC2 to go back to what they know. I'm not saying he's necessarily right or wrong in his opinion on Afreeca, but I think I'd be disappointed too. Stork's approach to the game is inspiring, though. I certainly didn't think he'd still be around.

That is strange and sounds wine-sided. You know well that It's not about the challenge it's more about entertainment that a game brings. And, honestly, what Stork has achieved in SC2 so far does not deserve to be watched.
myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
October 31 2013 08:40 GMT
#130
On October 31 2013 14:49 cutler wrote:
So a proud guy. We need more players like him...who are proud of being a progamer and not begging for money by being attention ****. Play the game with passion and love or leave it alone.

Stork plays SC2 as if it is the last game he ever wanted to play, so much for passion and love.
myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 08:49:21
October 31 2013 08:44 GMT
#131
I didn't like the interview, mostly because I could not see any integrity in it or healthy ideas. Really scattered thoughts of a famed progamer who slowly buries his career while simultaneously trying to deny it. Hiding in demagogy and talking something about pride and future when it looks like 95% of SC2 viewers are not koreans. Sad reality is that Stork would not even be noticed in SC2 world if not for his BW career which he tries to overgrow.
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
October 31 2013 09:20 GMT
#132
great read. I wanna know who the BM guy is. lol
AKMU / IU
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
October 31 2013 11:11 GMT
#133
On October 31 2013 18:20 shin_toss wrote:
great read. I wanna know who the BM guy is. lol



sora

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kidding
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
October 31 2013 11:32 GMT
#134
Love Stork. Very candid interview. And a good read.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
October 31 2013 18:55 GMT
#135
Sounds like the Samsung house has become a really toxic environment. I don't like that he is seeing a psychiatrist and taking drugs to try to deal with it.

As far as the comments on Afreeca, I don't think they need to be taken too seriously given the context. After having a drink or two and generally being stressed from his circumstances, that is just him letting out his frustrations. I think he's more confused about figuring out what he really wants to do than anything else. The "easiest" thing is to just stay where he is and keep practicing, but he probably needs to take his own advice and make the next step in his life. The trouble is how to do that with nothing but 'progamer' on your resume. The guys on Afreeca aren't all rich. They're basically biding their time until they go to the military.

esports has become such a sad thing.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
November 01 2013 19:02 GMT
#136
umpf
The heart's eternal vow
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-01 22:44:37
November 01 2013 22:44 GMT
#137
<3 nothing but love for Stork.
Would love for him to perform well!

Edit: Oh and thanks for the translation! Must have been a lot of work
alexanderzero
Profile Joined June 2008
United States659 Posts
November 02 2013 03:09 GMT
#138
Stork is pretty awesome. It's cool to hear at least a few of the really old-school players admitting that SC2 has the potential to be a good game if the players work hard. I agree with his point that the players need to have more present personalities. Aside from their race and play style there is basically nothing to differentiate them outside of the booth.
I am a tournament organizazer.
lemmata
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
468 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-02 05:13:15
November 02 2013 04:02 GMT
#139
On October 31 2013 11:34 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
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On October 31 2013 00:20 lemmata wrote:
As to be expected of a translation of a translation, the translation is pretty bad. That said, it is still an interesting interview.

Q: Are you envious of the retired players who are enjoying great popularity with fans by streaming?
A: I am very down on these personal streams. It makes me sad to see these players ruin their own public image on stream. It is difficult to get a positive impression from such streams because even the players who were involved in the match-fixing scandal are streaming. I have a lot of pride as a pro gamer. When we played, 10s of thousands of people came to cheer. What those fans cheered for was ultimately the high-level of play shown by the players. Some of the streamers not only dispel the fantasy/mystique of pro gaming but also engage in behavior that regards fans as sources of money and nothing more. These players were perfectly normal people when they were pro gamers. It is tragic that they will debase themselves to such extent just for money. There's nothing wrong with streaming if your motives are pure, but I hope that no one will stream only for money. Of course, there are players who are indeed streaming with pure motives.


Stork seems to be mainly unhappy about streamers on Afreeca who are destroying the public image of pro gamers. If you watch those streams, many are constantly swearing, begging for money, treating fans who don't donate balloons like shit, and just overall acting like ignorant assholes. I think that Bisu/Mind/hero/killer probably behave decently for the most part. Sea's stream is pretty darn embarrassing at times, but he's far from the worst in terms of this behavior. There's been a conservative movement in Korea to include computer gaming as one of the 4 Great Evils of society to be targeted by the government (along with alcohol, drugs, and gambling). The public image of pro gamers is important to ensuring the survival of the industry.

I won't agree with everything Stork said, but he is
1) not condemning all streaming on Afreeca (only the ones embarrassing themselves and the pro gaming community)
2) saying that pro gamers should feel some personal responsibility to their profession.

Finally, I just want to say that this interview made me so sad. Reading between the lines, it seems that Stork has been dealing with some serious depression issues that required treatment. When he says that the medicine he was prescribed (by a psychiatrist) contributed to his weight gain, I cannot help but think that it is also affecting his level of play by inhibiting certain neural pathways.


I didnt watch afreeca stream, how is Sea stream embarassing?

Let me list a few ways.

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Before Bisu (and other gamers of note) arrived and brought some mainstream BW fans with them, I've heard Sea occasionally praise Savior for no reason. Sometimes he would be talking about something completely different and suddenly segue into a non sequitur about Savior's handsome looks, awesome fashion sense, and what not... Sea would even go as far as to "put up a shield" for Savior by saying that the match-fixing scandal had no impact on him and he doesn't understand why people would say that it cause the fall of BW. One can only imagine that he was aiming to extract balloons from crazy Savior fanatics who followed him to Afreeca. We can also imagine that someone like iloveoov or Stork would want to punch Sea in the face after hearing such bull.

Sea is constantly saying [expletives redacted---just in case there are people who are too delicate and precious for such words] and sometimes uses these words to insult his viewers. I am not a prude, but using foul language does not enhance your image unless you can do it intelligently like George Carlin.

Sea uses those words to insult the people who have not given him balloons. When he gets into an argument with the viewers in his channel, he will blacklist them immediately if they are not in his "fan club" (which means they donated 1 or more balloons). If that viewer has an icon that says he has donated a balloon, Sea will check the Afreeca records to see how many balloons this viewer has donated to him. If the amount donated is small, he will direct foul language at the viewer and blacklist him. If the amount donated is large, he will prostrate himself and beg for forgiveness while doing this really embarrassing "cutie sea" act. However, to me what is more embarrassing is the fact that he is so crass in the way he so openly and explicitly discriminates between viewers based on how much they have given him. Most people will treat their patrons well, but they wouldn't do it in such a crass way.

Sea also sometimes tries to elicit pity balloons from his viewers in ways that are embarrassing because his intentions seem so transparent no matter how much he tries to hide them.

There's also the fact that he sometimes streams without washing his face or brushing his teeth. There are clothes strewn about his room, which reveal that his room is a bit of a pigsty.

That said, there are worse BJs...

Boxer's generation worked really hard to change the image of gamers, who were previously viewed in Korea as uneducated addicts who were lacking in class and social graces. Progamers became icons of the unadulterated and wholesome passion of the youth to an extent. If one of the grumpy old men who bemoaned the rise of professional gaming in Korea saw Sea's (or many other) BJ's streams today, he might put in his false teeth so that he could grumble "I told you so".

So---yeah---Stork is not completely off base about this.

I think that Bisu's stream is okay (there are a couple other decent streams as well). I see that Bisu is lonely (wtf?), sucks at singing, and has a terrible sense of humor, but he treats his viewers with respect (although he gets playful at times) and doesn't really say anything controversial.


astray71
Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
November 02 2013 16:05 GMT
#140
Seems like every pro gamer from Brood War wants to emulate Liquid Hero I recall Bisu saying the same thing when he first switched over. And also, that picture of TaekBangLeeSsang is too awesome.
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