EPT[Interview] Stork after soju - Page 5
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ErrantKnight
Switzerland186 Posts
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
On October 30 2013 21:39 gobbledydook wrote: Q: After entering the SC2 era, fans [...] (T/N don’t know what this means). What is wrong with SC2? A: SC1 was fun because every game was different, and it depended on your performance that game. On the contrary, in SC2 each game looks the same. Just turtle till 200 supply and fight. When in a disadvantage, if you could not harass your opponent, you would lose straight-on as well. Stork confirms what we've been saying for years. | ||
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LightAngels
United States299 Posts
On October 31 2013 02:42 OpticalShot wrote: I feel like these doubly-translated threads are baits for the direct translators to come out and clarify... well I'm baited. Here's the original Korean text and my direct translation for the streaming part. + Show Spoiler [Original Korean] + - 그래도 은퇴한 선수들은 개인방송을 통해서 팬들을 찾고 있잖아요. 인기가 장난이 아니던데, 부럽지는 않아요? ▶ 저는 개인방송에 대해서 굉장히 부정적이거든요. 방송에서 망가지는 모습을 보니까 안타까워요. 조작 사건과 관련된 선수도 방송을 하잖아요. 그러니 더더욱 개인방송에 대해 좋은 인상을 받기가 어렵죠. 저는 프로게이머로서의 프라이드가 강해요. 관중들이 한 둘씩 오는 것이 아니라 몇 만 명씩 와서 환호를 하잖아요. 그런 팬들이 좋아했던 것은 궁극적으로 그 선수의 플레이잖아요. 개인방송을 하는 사람들 중에 일부는 그런 환상을 모두 깨는 동시에, 팬들을 돈으로 보는 행동을 해요. 분명히 대회장에서 보면 정말 멀쩡했거든요. 그런데 돈을 위해 그렇게까지 변한다는 점이 무척 아쉬워요. 순수한 의도면 모를까 돈을 위한 방송은 하지 않았으면 좋겠어요. 물론 안 그런 선수들도 있지만요. - Still, many retired progamers are interacting with their fans via their personal streams. [These streamers/streams] are quite popular, are you perhaps jealous of them? ▶ My view on those personal streams is very negative. It's sad to see them embarrass themselves in their broadcasts. Besides, even those associated with the matchfixing scandal are streaming, and that makes it even harder to view the streams in a positive light. I take great personal pride in being a progamer. Fans don't come one by one, they come by the tens of thousands to cheer [for the progamers/teams]. For those fans, the core motivation behind their loyalty is the player's skill. Some of the [ex-progamer] streamers shatter those images while broadcasting, and [even do things that show] they treat the fans as money [and nothing more]. All of these guys were perfectly fine before [when I met them / was with them in eSports stadiums/competitions]. That's why it's so disappointing to see these guys turn [into what I described above] just for money. Streaming for [enjoyment of the game, etc.] is fine, but I hope they don't stream for the sole purpose of making money. Of course, not all streamers are like that. So in this case, the translation in the OP is not too far off... maybe this thread won't be closed like the iloveoov's lol. Put this in the OP. I don't wanna see ppl have negative thinking on Stork | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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MVBasten
Norway37 Posts
On October 30 2013 23:09 Shana wrote: Can't believe I'm gonna say this ever, but I fucking hate Stork now. I have been a fans for so long, evenw watching his sc2 match. But the way he badmouthing afreeca/sospa scene break my heart. Are you seriously going to go from fan to hater because you read a translated interview with a person that a) do not know and b) probably have limited knowledge of the mindset of a Korean progamer? I'm not saying the translation is poorly done or anything, but with the huge cultural and mindset difference between the west and Korea this translation is not intended to be taken literally word for word as an instruction manual to what Stork thinks and his complete reasoning for thinking that way. Use common sense, please. | ||
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Jacmert
Canada1709 Posts
On October 31 2013 02:42 OpticalShot wrote: I feel like these doubly-translated threads are baits for the direct translators to come out and clarify... well I'm baited. Here's the original Korean text and my direct translation for the streaming part. + Show Spoiler [Original Korean] + - 그래도 은퇴한 선수들은 개인방송을 통해서 팬들을 찾고 있잖아요. 인기가 장난이 아니던데, 부럽지는 않아요? ▶ 저는 개인방송에 대해서 굉장히 부정적이거든요. 방송에서 망가지는 모습을 보니까 안타까워요. 조작 사건과 관련된 선수도 방송을 하잖아요. 그러니 더더욱 개인방송에 대해 좋은 인상을 받기가 어렵죠. 저는 프로게이머로서의 프라이드가 강해요. 관중들이 한 둘씩 오는 것이 아니라 몇 만 명씩 와서 환호를 하잖아요. 그런 팬들이 좋아했던 것은 궁극적으로 그 선수의 플레이잖아요. 개인방송을 하는 사람들 중에 일부는 그런 환상을 모두 깨는 동시에, 팬들을 돈으로 보는 행동을 해요. 분명히 대회장에서 보면 정말 멀쩡했거든요. 그런데 돈을 위해 그렇게까지 변한다는 점이 무척 아쉬워요. 순수한 의도면 모를까 돈을 위한 방송은 하지 않았으면 좋겠어요. 물론 안 그런 선수들도 있지만요. - Still, many retired progamers are interacting with their fans via their personal streams. [These streamers/streams] are quite popular, are you perhaps jealous of them? ▶ My view on those personal streams is very negative. It's sad to see them embarrass themselves in their broadcasts. Besides, even those associated with the matchfixing scandal are streaming, and that makes it even harder to view the streams in a positive light. I take great personal pride in being a progamer. Fans don't come one by one, they come by the tens of thousands to cheer [for the progamers/teams]. For those fans, the core motivation behind their loyalty is the player's skill. Some of the [ex-progamer] streamers shatter those images while broadcasting, and [even do things that show] they treat the fans as money [and nothing more]. All of these guys were perfectly fine before [when I met them / was with them in eSports stadiums/competitions]. That's why it's so disappointing to see these guys turn [into what I described above] just for money. Streaming for [enjoyment of the game, etc.] is fine, but I hope they don't stream for the sole purpose of making money. Of course, not all streamers are like that. So in this case, the translation in the OP is not too far off... maybe this thread won't be closed like the iloveoov's lol. Somebody get this direct translation into the OP, please! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433875¤tpage=4#77 | ||
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ThreeActPlay
United States249 Posts
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Liquid`Zephyr
United States996 Posts
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AyaaLa
Spain629 Posts
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itsdaniel
Austria335 Posts
On October 31 2013 04:28 AyaaLa wrote: everyone should follow him on twitter and say he's awesome! it think its amazing and inspiring that he don't gives up despite the lack of good results. word... https://twitter.com/koreasbg1 | ||
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.gypsy
Canada689 Posts
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On October 31 2013 02:56 Arco wrote: Stork confirms what we've been saying for years. Who's "we"? I don't think anyone watched the WCS finals and came away saying "Oh yeah, that was a bunch of turtle to 200/200 deathball games" | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On October 30 2013 22:11 Plexa wrote: This is such an insanely good interview wow. hahaha. Circa-2003 Where the heck did you did those up from? Your eidetic memory? | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On October 31 2013 05:13 Cheren wrote: Who's "we"? I don't think anyone watched the WCS finals and came away saying "Oh yeah, that was a bunch of turtle to 200/200 deathball games" Actually, there was one guy in that thread who was complaining about just that :p Anyway, great interview. I see what he means when he talks about the streamers - it's not about the Sospa scene itself, it's about streamers who do embarassing things for money and treat fans as cash cows... | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
*Look HerO, you have another fan. On October 30 2013 22:11 Plexa wrote: This is such an insanely good interview wow. hahaha. Circa-2003 Oh my God, even I remember the talk when he first came onto the scene. Yeah, Stork you chirped back then too, lol. >_< | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On October 31 2013 05:28 StarStruck wrote: I'd be against personal streaming as well if they were still sanctioned and competing for big prize money. We make the best of what we got and thank Sonic for doing what he's doing. These ex-pro's are just trying to get by. It's an impromptu method and they're trying to make the best out of the situation they got. Stork even said it, they aren't pro's anymore so what they do on their own time is their business. *Look HerO, you have another fan. Everybody loves HerO. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On October 31 2013 02:33 a176 wrote: I had some Soju for the first time last weekend. Never again. So we having soju again this week? I'll buy the rounds this time | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 31 2013 05:17 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Where the heck did you did those up from? Your eidetic memory? The bio I wrote for him circa-2007 the posts are somewhere on TL but im too lazy to find them. Updated the OP with optical shots translation. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On October 31 2013 05:56 Plexa wrote: The bio I wrote for him circa-2007 the posts are somewhere on TL but im too lazy to find them. Updated the OP with optical shots translation. It came up more than once. o; Not every Hyung was squeakie clean as a rookie. Stork was no exception. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On October 31 2013 02:56 Arco wrote: Stork confirms what we've been saying for years. The fact that he's completely wrong might explain his lack of results so far. | ||
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