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On October 23 2012 09:17 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:16 Integra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:10 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:07 Integra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:04 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Benjamin99 wrote:
All this drama. The fact of the matter is in any organisation its the boss,director,project manager responsibility to keep its staff happy and in order and to provide workable atmosphere. If there is any problem with the staff its the boss job to fix it.
So if this was actually a company and I was in the board of directors I would fire Jessica faster then the speed of light. Its clearly for me that not only did she fail completely regarding managing the team but she is also trying to push away her responsibility and blame other factors for the disbandment of Slayers.
A team is only as good as its leader Last time I checked, the current response as the employee is not to: 1. Lie 2. Look for direct competitors for a job 3. Disadvantage the employment you are with 4. Do this while under employment / contract. Being a bad manager or making mistakes has consequences, but it isn't illegal. Jessica / Boxer literally had a sole proprietorship after they lost sponsors so they weren't responsible to other financial parties. Nothing about what Jessica did was illegal. What these players did are actually illegal actions. You could argue that the manager/leader has the responsibility to screen the people they invite to their organization. Plenty of real companies that has been convicted for negligence for this exact kind of things. And void the responsibility from the individuals who committed the illegal action? Come on, you are supposed to press court action against the employees first before even doing that. The responsibility would actually be from w/e association MMA / Alicia / Crank came from, since SlayerS had no ability to screen that how are they supposed to be hold responsible. I have no idea how your response to my post even remotely relates to your original statement which I was trying to give an alternative perspective on. Jessica isn't pressing legal responsibility on these players, therefore your statement doesn't stand. Unless these players want to press legal responsibility and admit their own legal failings first.
Not yet. Just wait.....
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On October 23 2012 09:15 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:11 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 09:05 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:02 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Kishin2 wrote:
Boxer is still the person that can potentially put everything at ease here. He already did. He grabbed the phone and talked it out with crank to come clean face to face. He needs an official statement regarding Crank, MMA, him quitting as a player, the manager, everything. I'd rather let Jessica handle all of that though. She is too deep in already. BoxeR should remain as the Emperor letting everything happen by natural order. Jessica can't be trusted at this point. Opinions are polarized between Jessica and the players. The least biased person right now would be Boxer. Can't be trusted? She may overreact but so far she has never lied and backed up her stuff with actual evidence compared to her "opponents".
She over exaggerates A LOT. Didn't she (apparently) ask for 90k as a transfer fee for MMA but only reduced that to 0 after no one would accept? Yeah, she has the email between her and Nazgul, but she didn't mention that she was asking for money beforehand.
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On October 23 2012 09:13 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:08 mongmong wrote:
Jessica also offered to the team members
50% discount for cosmetics
80% discount for skin care (MMA went through this a few times)
Free dental care (Alicia went through this twice)
Yeah.. Looks like she didnt take good care of the players LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL ...How is that "taking care" of the players. Cosmetics? Seriously? -Seriously-?! What about Boxer's shoulder problems or Crank's neck pain? Those are things that I think SHOULD warrant much more attention that freaking cosmetics or SKIN CARE!!
Korean men are actually a lot more likely to use skin care products than those in the West, so it's actually a pretty nice fringe benefit
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On October 23 2012 09:20 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:15 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:11 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 09:05 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:02 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Kishin2 wrote:
Boxer is still the person that can potentially put everything at ease here. He already did. He grabbed the phone and talked it out with crank to come clean face to face. He needs an official statement regarding Crank, MMA, him quitting as a player, the manager, everything. I'd rather let Jessica handle all of that though. She is too deep in already. BoxeR should remain as the Emperor letting everything happen by natural order. Jessica can't be trusted at this point. Opinions are polarized between Jessica and the players. The least biased person right now would be Boxer. Can't be trusted? She may overreact but so far she has never lied and backed up her stuff with actual evidence compared to her "opponents". She over exaggerates A LOT. Didn't she (apparently) ask for 90k as a transfer fee for MMA but only reduced that to 0 after no one would accept? Yeah, she has the email between her and Nazgul, but she didn't mention that she was asking for money beforehand.
In many sport, it is VERY standard for contract to be sold to other team while the players accepts it at their own expanse. And here I sit here thinking that SC2 is a sport...
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Does anyone know what the Crank audio said and the Korean community's reactions to it?
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On October 23 2012 09:21 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:13 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:08 mongmong wrote:
Jessica also offered to the team members
50% discount for cosmetics
80% discount for skin care (MMA went through this a few times)
Free dental care (Alicia went through this twice)
Yeah.. Looks like she didnt take good care of the players LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL ...How is that "taking care" of the players. Cosmetics? Seriously? -Seriously-?! What about Boxer's shoulder problems or Crank's neck pain? Those are things that I think SHOULD warrant much more attention that freaking cosmetics or SKIN CARE!! Korean men are actually a lot more likely to use skin care products than those in the West, so it's actually a pretty nice fringe benefit
Okay, so call me culturally ignorant. I just don't think that's the best way to "prove" someone cares when it's ultimately superficial, especially when there are players with real, debilitating problems...
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On October 23 2012 09:20 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:15 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:11 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 09:05 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:02 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Kishin2 wrote:
Boxer is still the person that can potentially put everything at ease here. He already did. He grabbed the phone and talked it out with crank to come clean face to face. He needs an official statement regarding Crank, MMA, him quitting as a player, the manager, everything. I'd rather let Jessica handle all of that though. She is too deep in already. BoxeR should remain as the Emperor letting everything happen by natural order. Jessica can't be trusted at this point. Opinions are polarized between Jessica and the players. The least biased person right now would be Boxer. Can't be trusted? She may overreact but so far she has never lied and backed up her stuff with actual evidence compared to her "opponents". She over exaggerates A LOT. Didn't she (apparently) ask for 90k as a transfer fee for MMA but only reduced that to 0 after no one would accept? Yeah, she has the email between her and Nazgul, but she didn't mention that she was asking for money beforehand.
Crank and MMA over exaggerates A LOT as well ^^
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On October 23 2012 09:22 KgKris wrote:
Does anyone know what the Crank audio said and the Korean community's reactions to it?
He is fucked.
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On October 23 2012 09:20 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:15 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:11 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 09:05 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:02 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Kishin2 wrote:
Boxer is still the person that can potentially put everything at ease here. He already did. He grabbed the phone and talked it out with crank to come clean face to face. He needs an official statement regarding Crank, MMA, him quitting as a player, the manager, everything. I'd rather let Jessica handle all of that though. She is too deep in already. BoxeR should remain as the Emperor letting everything happen by natural order. Jessica can't be trusted at this point. Opinions are polarized between Jessica and the players. The least biased person right now would be Boxer. Can't be trusted? She may overreact but so far she has never lied and backed up her stuff with actual evidence compared to her "opponents". She over exaggerates A LOT. Didn't she (apparently) ask for 90k as a transfer fee for MMA but only reduced that to 0 after no one would accept? Yeah, she has the email between her and Nazgul, but she didn't mention that she was asking for money beforehand.
Where's the prove she asked for 90k? I'm guessing you're just going to take MMA and Slashers word for it. How about they release that email of her asking for 90k? oh that's right they dont have to prove anything, they just need to talk hot air and ppl here would believe them.
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On October 23 2012 09:15 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:12 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:07 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:04 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 08:52 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 08:44 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 08:40 mongmong wrote:
MMA's statement is hard countered by Jessica.
It looks like the former coach Ryu won turned MMA's personal coach, and MMA was the one
responsible for paying Ryu won after he won GSL anaheim, but Ryu won only received a graphics card
worth $1000. So thats why Ryu won left slayers for woongjin Wait, you mean the team manager assigned a personal coach and then make him pay for it, while he does not have a chance to look for any or have any knowledge for sponsorship? Mind blown. Jessica should never ever manage any business again. when did i say the team manager assigned a personal coach? why are you making shit up? omfg ..... ok ill give a slighty more detailed explanation. MMA introduced coach Ryu won, who at the time was a close friend of MMA, to jessica. Jessica, MMA and Ryu met in person and coach Ryu was told by jessica that no salary would be paid by her to him since he is MMA's personal coach. Do you now understand??? It was MMA who introduced Ryu to jessica. It does not matter who introduce coach Ryu to whom. It's a matter of allowing your player to get a personal coach without any 1.) contract or 2.) make sure that he will get paid. Moreover, MMA's performance increase due to coach Ryu's coaching would still benefit the teams in many way, such as fame and team league performance. If the team was not willing to pay him, then she should not allow MMA to have personal coach since the beginning. The decision to him had one was already a big mistake. Now, I don't say that MMA was not wrong that he did not pay Coach Ryu. But it is just so amateurish from the Slayers management part to let this happen, instead of making sure that coach was rightfully compensated by the team because ,let's face it, the team benefits from coach Ryu coaching on MMA without holding any responsibility. Amateurish? There's countless instances in sports where athletes pay their own trainers while still being part of a team. True, but that is when athletes has regular salary that can make sure he would pay the coach. I doubt MMA could really personally hire coach Ryu with his regular salary (if there is any), so I would say there is more into this matter. But it was just so amateurish for me for a team not to hire a coach for your "best" player and make sure he does not have to worry about paying him. It just reeked that Jessica doesn't understand how to manage the team. True, and that holds true when the athlete pays a monthly salary to the coach. Apperantly MMA should've been paying a percentage of his winnings to Coach Ryu.
Well, he did said that he spit his reward with Coach Ryu, while Jessica claimed the opposite. We don't know what is the "truth" in this case, so anything further from this is purely speculation because right now, there are two possible truths exist at the same time.
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On October 23 2012 09:23 ThePurist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:22 KgKris wrote:
Does anyone know what the Crank audio said and the Korean community's reactions to it? He is fucked.
How do you know?
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On October 23 2012 09:14 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:08 TommyP wrote:On October 23 2012 09:04 Drlemur wrote:
Can anybody summarize what Crank & MMA have done that would be bad by western standards? Complaining about how the team is run, wanting more, wanting to go to a team that paid better -- those aren't things that really get you in trouble in US/Europe. We're kind of used to high-pressure athletes occasionally acting out like primadonnas too. And then mostly forgiving them afterward.
Other than disrespecting Boxer/Jessica, I'm not seeing much to the accusations here. Maybe MMA not paying Ryu if he was his personal coach? That seems more about the two of them than Slayers, then.
Not sure how J shows up and costs them all their sponsors either, but that kind of event can't be anybody's fault but management unless Crank/MMA were actively dissuading sponsors. I haven't seen any accusation of that.
I probably don't understand Korean culture enough to really get the drama here, but I'm ready to go watch Ax.Crank and EG.MMA start just playing SC2 again. I agree none of this makes sense to me either. Just because there were some players who hated Jessica why does the team disband? And what's wrong with being angry with your boss and arguing? I think Jessica made the biggest mistake by starting the drama. If they had to disband (which I don't see why they had to) why make a big shitstorm? Boxer is pretty much the only reason this matters. There have been plenty of players in the past that have wiggled out of their teams to move on to apparently greener pastures. Take aLive and Oz for example - both TSL and FXO people were angered by how they acted, but it blew over within a week.
I think it isn't blowing over because Jessica releases 3 pages of accusations and tries to make this the betrayal of the century. Even if everything she has said is true, this fire will keep burning because she will never let it go out on her end. Eventually MMA, Crank, Alicia and whoever will stop responding or meekly apologise and hope she shuts up.
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On October 23 2012 05:28 hunts wrote:
It's getting very hard to have any respect for jessica with each new interview. It's depressing to know that she is going to ruin the reputations and careers in korea of so many people just because of the fact that she's boxers girlfriend, and that we can't do anything about it.
Again, you're jumping to conclusions. What kind of evidence do you have that proves MMA didn't make up that story...?
Seriously, wait for facts then pick a side. Making judgements based on what he or Jessica says is retarded... Unless backed by evidence.
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On October 23 2012 09:21 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:13 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:08 mongmong wrote:
Jessica also offered to the team members
50% discount for cosmetics
80% discount for skin care (MMA went through this a few times)
Free dental care (Alicia went through this twice)
Yeah.. Looks like she didnt take good care of the players LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL ...How is that "taking care" of the players. Cosmetics? Seriously? -Seriously-?! What about Boxer's shoulder problems or Crank's neck pain? Those are things that I think SHOULD warrant much more attention that freaking cosmetics or SKIN CARE!! Korean men are actually a lot more likely to use skin care products than those in the West, so it's actually a pretty nice fringe benefit
yeah remember when Puma won NASL1? when asked what he would do with the money, he replied 'spend it on cosmetics'.
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On October 23 2012 09:22 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:20 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:15 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:11 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 09:05 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:02 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Kishin2 wrote:
Boxer is still the person that can potentially put everything at ease here. He already did. He grabbed the phone and talked it out with crank to come clean face to face. He needs an official statement regarding Crank, MMA, him quitting as a player, the manager, everything. I'd rather let Jessica handle all of that though. She is too deep in already. BoxeR should remain as the Emperor letting everything happen by natural order. Jessica can't be trusted at this point. Opinions are polarized between Jessica and the players. The least biased person right now would be Boxer. Can't be trusted? She may overreact but so far she has never lied and backed up her stuff with actual evidence compared to her "opponents". She over exaggerates A LOT. Didn't she (apparently) ask for 90k as a transfer fee for MMA but only reduced that to 0 after no one would accept? Yeah, she has the email between her and Nazgul, but she didn't mention that she was asking for money beforehand. In many sport, it is VERY standard for contract to be sold to other team while the players accepts it at their own expanse. And here I sit here thinking that SC2 is a sport...
Exactly.
I thought Quantic had bought Naniwa's contract from Complexity when they acquired Naniwa.
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Dear god can someone please translate these; I would do it myself but I - can't - read - Korean!! T_T
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On October 23 2012 09:18 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:17 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:16 Integra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:10 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:07 Integra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:04 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Benjamin99 wrote:
All this drama. The fact of the matter is in any organisation its the boss,director,project manager responsibility to keep its staff happy and in order and to provide workable atmosphere. If there is any problem with the staff its the boss job to fix it.
So if this was actually a company and I was in the board of directors I would fire Jessica faster then the speed of light. Its clearly for me that not only did she fail completely regarding managing the team but she is also trying to push away her responsibility and blame other factors for the disbandment of Slayers.
A team is only as good as its leader Last time I checked, the current response as the employee is not to: 1. Lie 2. Look for direct competitors for a job 3. Disadvantage the employment you are with 4. Do this while under employment / contract. Being a bad manager or making mistakes has consequences, but it isn't illegal. Jessica / Boxer literally had a sole proprietorship after they lost sponsors so they weren't responsible to other financial parties. Nothing about what Jessica did was illegal. What these players did are actually illegal actions. You could argue that the manager/leader has the responsibility to screen the people they invite to their organization. Plenty of real companies that has been convicted for negligence for this exact kind of things. And void the responsibility from the individuals who committed the illegal action? Come on, you are supposed to press court action against the employees first before even doing that. The responsibility would actually be from w/e association MMA / Alicia / Crank came from, since SlayerS had no ability to screen that how are they supposed to be hold responsible. I have no idea how your response to my post even remotely relates to your original statement which I was trying to give an alternative perspective on. Jessica isn't pressing legal responsibility on these players, therefore your statement doesn't stand. Unless these players want to press legal responsibility and admit their own legal failings first. I never said she did, I think you are misunderstanding something about my post. and ignore @geokilla, I still stand by that I didn't mean she took anyone to court.
Again, these players had all the right and ability to do the following things:
1. Communicate with your employer about suspicions, were those suspicions proven true
2. Take your employer to civil court or professional agency
The employers tried to figure out what was wrong, and Boxer came to the team to watch over the players himself, yet these players still didn't talk with him about the issue of Mr. J.
Boxer / Jessica were forking this out of their own pocket so they had no financial responsibility to anyone else.
Even if it was the fault of the employment.
MMA/Crank/Alicia could have
1. Left the team or voided the contract which they were given the opportunity to once they actually expressed it
2. Look for alternate employment once and only when they are off contract.
Effectively Crank took paid leave and while on paid leave looked for alternate employment as well as working in the field he's expected to do at work.
If this went to civil court Crank would lose 100/100 times.
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On October 23 2012 09:23 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:23 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:22 KgKris wrote:
Does anyone know what the Crank audio said and the Korean community's reactions to it? He is fucked. How do you know?
Cuz I read it. And this kid is just straight up self-centered, irresponsible, possibly lying to the end, and disrespectful.
GEE GEE..........
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On October 23 2012 09:22 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:21 Waxangel wrote:On October 23 2012 09:13 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:08 mongmong wrote:
Jessica also offered to the team members
50% discount for cosmetics
80% discount for skin care (MMA went through this a few times)
Free dental care (Alicia went through this twice)
Yeah.. Looks like she didnt take good care of the players LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL ...How is that "taking care" of the players. Cosmetics? Seriously? -Seriously-?! What about Boxer's shoulder problems or Crank's neck pain? Those are things that I think SHOULD warrant much more attention that freaking cosmetics or SKIN CARE!! Korean men are actually a lot more likely to use skin care products than those in the West, so it's actually a pretty nice fringe benefit Okay, so call me culturally ignorant. I just don't think that's the best way to "prove" someone cares when it's ultimately superficial, especially when there are players with real, debilitating problems...
So what do you think she should have done with the neck problem? Remember they are a SC2 team and not a pro sport team lol. The amount of benefits slayers' players get is already more than most of the other SC2 team
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