EPTCrank and MMA's accounts regarding SlayerS - Page 31
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Ry2D2
United States429 Posts
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On October 23 2012 09:04 Drlemur wrote: Can anybody summarize what Crank & MMA have done that would be bad by western standards? Complaining about how the team is run, wanting more, wanting to go to a team that paid better -- those aren't things that really get you in trouble in US/Europe. We're kind of used to high-pressure athletes occasionally acting out like primadonnas too. And then mostly forgiving them afterward. Other than disrespecting Boxer/Jessica, I'm not seeing much to the accusations here. Maybe MMA not paying Ryu if he was his personal coach? That seems more about the two of them than Slayers, then. Not sure how J shows up and costs them all their sponsors either, but that kind of event can't be anybody's fault but management unless Crank/MMA were actively dissuading sponsors. I haven't seen any accusation of that. I probably don't understand Korean culture enough to really get the drama here, but I'm ready to go watch Ax.Crank and EG.MMA start just playing SC2 again. I agree none of this makes sense to me either. Just because there were some players who hated Jessica why does the team disband? And what's wrong with being angry with your boss and arguing? I think Jessica made the biggest mistake by starting the drama. If they had to disband (which I don't see why they had to) why make a big shitstorm? | ||
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Random_Guy09
Canada1010 Posts
On October 23 2012 08:56 mongmong wrote: Jessica even let the players use the cars for transport it seems :0 Yeah but who was the one driving? Not her obviously from all the statements. CranK took responsibility to drive all the players to their matches not boxer and not jessica. Every statement except hers had said that.. Go back to your korean drama career and stay way the fuck away from esports. As disappointed as some people in here to hear absolutely nothing from Boxer. Man up and be a god damn adult and make a statement like your former players have. Shows that they give a shit. Instead of hiding in the background of your new team. Sad how korean society is when it comes to dealing with problems. In NA we confront and deal with this stuff and not run away and hide. Man up and play 5 man dota instead of hiding behind your GF ffs. | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
50% discount for cosmetics 80% discount for skin care (MMA went through this a few times) Free dental care (Alicia went through this twice) Yeah.. Looks like she didnt take good care of the players LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On October 23 2012 09:04 Caihead wrote: Last time I checked, the current response as the employee is not to: 1. Lie 2. Look for direct competitors for a job 3. Disadvantage the employment you are with 4. Do this while under employment / contract. Being a bad manager or making mistakes has consequences, but it isn't illegal. Jessica / Boxer literally had a sole proprietorship after they lost sponsors so they weren't responsible to other financial parties. Nothing about what Jessica did was illegal. What these players did are actually illegal actions. All that is expected. Employees lie all the time to there boss and you would be stupid as an employee not to look for another job that pays more. All this is perfectly normal in any organisation. A good boss however create an atmosphere for his employees so these things don't happens. For me its seems like a complete lack of leadership and a meltdown in the organisation. And there is only one to blame and that's the manager | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On October 23 2012 08:56 Subversive wrote: It's in her initial interview. She says he put in "x amount of won" I just remember 90K because I googled the transfer rate. She actually says that they've spent "in scale of 100 millions" [Korean WON. And yes 100 million won is roughly 90k] and then later "in scale of several 100 millions" rather then "about 100 million". So, "they spent about 90k" is not exactly very accurate in this case. | ||
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ThePurist
Canada686 Posts
(a few) * 90k as in... it could be 3*90k = or 4 or 5 임 : 너 팀에 들어온 지 1년 됐나? 난 팀에 있으면서 몇 억을 썼는지 모르겠다. 넌 그대로지만 난 몇 걸음 뒤로 퇴보했어. 네 임장도 이해하겠는데 너무 몰아붙이지 마라. Boxer: Has it been 1 year since you joined the team? I dunno if I used (unknown #)*90k USD. You are still the same, but I'm set back a few steps. I understand your situation but don't push it too hard. TLDR - He lost a lotta money | ||
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
On October 23 2012 09:07 Proflo wrote: Yeah I would as well.... Not that this is necessarily the biggest detail here, but.... Intel sponsored boxer 180k and the team 270k seperately.... Hard to believe they went over 450k, 200k I could definitely see though with flights etc... Sure, I'll keep my mouth shut. For the record, I based it on someone who did the math very early in the Slayers to disband thread. It was somewhere around 550-650k. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On October 23 2012 09:07 Integra wrote: You could argue that the manager/leader has the responsibility to screen the people they invite to their organization. Plenty of real companies that has been convicted for negligence for this exact kind of things. And void the responsibility from the individuals who committed the illegal action? Come on, you are supposed to press court action against the employees first before even doing that. The responsibility would actually be from w/e association MMA / Alicia / Crank came from, since SlayerS had no ability to screen that how are they supposed to be hold responsible. | ||
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plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
"For me its seems like a complete lack of leadership and a meltdown in the organisation. And there is only one to blame and that's the manager" jup Who is the "manager" or "Boss" of SlayerS? Cella?Jessica?Boxer? !?!?!?! | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
On October 23 2012 09:06 Xiphos wrote: I'd rather let Jessica handle all of that though. She is too deep in already. BoxeR should remain as the Emperor letting everything happen by natural order. Jessica can't be trusted at this point. Opinions are polarized between Jessica and the players. The least biased person right now would be Boxer. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On October 23 2012 09:08 mongmong wrote: Jessica also offered to the team members 50% discount for cosmetics 80% discount for skin care (MMA went through this a few times) Free dental care (Alicia went through this twice) Yeah.. Looks like she didnt take good care of the players LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Yea she probably bought those coupons with the money she collected when the players paid the team a percentage of their foreign tournament winnings. | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On October 23 2012 09:09 Benjamin99 wrote: All that is expected. Employees lie all the time to there boss and you would be stupid as an employee not to look for another job that pays more. You can look as much as you want, problems start if stuff is contracted. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On October 23 2012 09:09 Benjamin99 wrote: All that is expected. Employees lie all the time to there boss and you would be stupid as an employee not to look for another job that pays more. All this is perfectly normal in any organisation. A good boss however create an atmosphere for his employees so these things don't happens. For me its seems like a complete lack of leadership and a meltdown in the organisation. And there is only one to blame and that's the manager Yea, doesn't change the fact it's illegal. You don't do things that are in direct conflict of interest of your employer, it's covered by any code of ethics in any profession. If Crank was an engineer and pulled this shit you bet your ass he's going to get sued. | ||
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
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neurosx
Luxembourg1096 Posts
Drama : 30 pages and counting. .. | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
On October 23 2012 09:08 Random_Guy09 wrote: Yeah but who was the one driving? Not her obviously from all the statements. CranK took responsibility to drive all the players to their matches not boxer and not jessica. Every statement except hers had said that.. Go back to your korean drama career and stay way the fuck away from esports. As disappointed as some people in here to hear absolutely nothing from Boxer. Man up and be a god damn adult and make a statement like your former players have. Shows that they give a shit. Instead of hiding in the background of your new team. Sad how korean society is when it comes to dealing with problems. In NA we confront and deal with this stuff and not run away and hide. Man up and play 5 man dota instead of hiding behind your GF ffs. Do you expect jessica and boxer to employ a personal driver to take these players to GSL matches? Really? Name a korea team that does that. Oh by the way Cella cant drive, former coach Ryu didnt have a license. And most importantly it was Cranks own volition to drive the car. | ||
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
On October 23 2012 09:08 mongmong wrote: Jessica also offered to the team members 50% discount for cosmetics 80% discount for skin care (MMA went through this a few times) Free dental care (Alicia went through this twice) Yeah.. Looks like she didnt take good care of the players LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL I don't know whether to laugh at the ridiculousness of this, or to be mad at the accusations from the players now. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On October 23 2012 09:07 Shival wrote: Amateurish? There's countless instances in sports where athletes pay their own trainers while still being part of a team. True, but that is when athletes has regular salary that can make sure he would pay the coach. I doubt MMA could really personally hire coach Ryu with his regular salary (if there is any), so I would say there is more into this matter. But it was just so amateurish for me for a team not to hire a coach for your "best" player and make sure he does not have to worry about paying him. It just reeked that Jessica doesn't understand how to manage the team. | ||
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Proflo
United States148 Posts
On October 23 2012 09:11 TommyP wrote: Yea she probably bought those coupons with the money she collected when the players paid the team a percentage of their foreign tournament winnings. Slayers never collected those fees.... comon man, at least read the thing. | ||
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