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Crank and MMA's accounts regarding SlayerS

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Waxangel
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United States33360 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 16:13:52
October 22 2012 20:17 GMT
#1
Updated: Jessica's response to MMA and Crank, as well as her phone call with Crank added.


New!

ESFI has translated Jessica's responses to MMA and Crank's interviews, as given in a her own new interviews with ThisIsGame. Excerpt:

Q: Is there anything else you wish to say?
A: I am really tired now. The essence is that this is who I am. Even if one is a sworn enemy, I do not abandon him or her if one accepts his or her mistake. I would even forgive him or her. But not like this interview. It only reveals deeper truth. There are still more to be revealed than what was already revealed. I didn't reveal everything and showed only this much because I was afraid that remaining fans will leave the scene when more is revealed. If you have no evidence to back your claims, accept your mistakes and apologize. Then I will forget everything and forgive you.


Response to MMA @ESFI
ThisIsGame


Response to Crank @ESFI
ThisIsGame


Crank & Jessica phone call transcript @ESFI
ThisIsGame




ESFI has translated ThisIsGame's interview with Axiom.Crank regarding his departure from SlayerS and the recent
controversy surrounding the team's disbandment. Here's an excerpt.


TIG> Last August, you left the team and starting streaming and looked for sponsors. What made you decide to leave the team?

Crank: There are two reasons to why I left the team. Jessica kept telling me who was at home that "Team Slayers' problems right now are due to Alicia, Ryung, MMA" and kept blaming the players and I couldn't understand that.

Another reason is when MMA got sent to the 'B' team is there were some confusions from the management as well as one player (unnamed) was hurt after thinking that the reasoning of the confusion was true. They told MMA that they can "change the article later on if you wanted" but the problem was already out there. So I decided to leave the team.

TIG> It's publicly known that you left the team due to your injury.

Crank: When I was leaving the team, Jessica told me that she will release an article for me but I thought "me leaving the team isn't worthy of a press conference." But I was told that there is a new player joining us. She told me she will say I left the team due to my neck injury, and she will work her best to stop any weird rumors from spreading around. And now she is saying that I used my neck injury as an excuse to look for a foreign team. I never thought she would do that.

Full translation on ESFI
ThisIsGame article (Korean]



ThisIsGame also interviewed MMA and received his account. The following us a translation by TL user stew_.

On October 23 2012 04:32 stew_ wrote:
TIG: jessica revealed the state of slayers in the past interview. Have you seen it yet?
Mma: yes, however there are a lot of distortions in that article. But this does not mean that the players are right and Jessica is wrong. I just wish that people would look at this objectively and not just from one point of view.

TIG: you have a contract with slayers until November 6th. Can you explain us the contract signing process?
Mma: before signing the contract, Jessica said that she made it similar to a celebrity (actors/actresses) contract. At first, she told us that the only way to get a sponsor was to let the potential sponsors know that ‘we have play x, y and z’. So kimdongju (ganzi), kimsangjun (puzzle), kimdongwon (ryung), yangjunshik (Alicia) along with myself signed the contract. As mentioned before from Jessica, it was purely for the purpose of securing a sponsor and she made us at ease with that statement, and the contract was signed. Some players that signed did not even bother to read the contract and trusted Jessica’s words.

TIG: what was the incident involving manager J?
Mma: I think there needs to be an explanation about manager J. manager J was an employee of corporation R, who were sponsors of Slayers. At first, he dropped by the team house to say hello now and then, but his visits increased in frequency and the guys at the team house got friendly with him. He was similar to us in age and was pretty easy to talk to, so he was popular with the younger guys as well. Boxer liked soccer so we played it a lot within the team. Manager J started playing with us after a while and he was pretty good, so he was our team’s ace (for soccer). When we bought soccer jerseys as a team, we even bought one for him as well.

But a few months later, manager J left his company. Since he was jobless, he came to our team house more often and Jessica saw fit to give him access to the team’s facebook and twitter account since he was fluent in English and german. He had a charming personality, so after time he eventually became in charge of the foreign business, which was previously Cella’s work.

At the same time, Jessica said not to worry or even to ask about the sponsors. We were contracted with corporation R at the time when we got to know manager J, so jessica’s statement of the 2 month thing is wrong (not sure what he’s referring to here). The incident started at this time.

TIG: could you explain more about this incident
Mma: it was right before my code s match versus alive (feb, 15th, 2012). I heard something shocking from manager J that Jessica was forwarding my potential personal sponsor to boxer. I couldn’t believe it. I got confused but I had no one talk to. My mind was heavily burdened for the weeks afterwards

After much turmoil, I confessed to crank about my feelings. We talked a lot. Crank was also sad because he couldn’t do anything for me, so it was hard on him as well. As this went on, I got more stressed and even thought of quitting the game. If I said this to Jessica, I thought manager J would get the blame too so I did not talk.

After, my performance fell and I just focused on the game more since there was nothing I could do about it. Crank suggested that I go talk to boxer as he would know more from a player’s viewpoint. So I talked to boxer. Boxer knew this was dangerous waters so he checked around for a few days and told me that there was nothing of that nature (potential personal sponsor) going on.

Jessica did not release any details about our sponsors so I had no choice but to trust manager J regarding this matter because he was a former employee of corporation R. at the same time, I lost faith in Jessica because of how she treated the players and the arguments she picked with other players (on other teams).

As the manager J incident was wrapping up, boxer and Jessica gathered all the players and said ‘if there is anything we did wrong, it was letting manager J come into the team house, so let’s try harder and get the team house atmosphere up again’. However, it was already too late. There was no way to turn back the situation because the players were already too deeply wounded.

In this environment, I lived at the team house for a few months. Crank saw the seriousness of this situation and appealed individually to boxer and Jessica, but nothing changed. In contrast, Jessica was saying things like ‘the team is like this because of mma’ and pointing the blame towards me. Then the contract annulment thing blew up.

TIG: by contract annulment, you mean the contract between the team and players?
Mma: yes, Jessica said in her interview that there was no splitting of the prizes from individual events but told us to split the money because of ‘coach ryu’s wages and player maintenance funds’ at the time, cella received some portion of player’s foreign prize winnings (less than ~$1000 USD). Jessica said to give a portion of the winnings from foreign events. So as agreed on the contract, we sent a portion of the winnings to an account Jessica provided. After this, nothing changed still.

Boxer and Jessica almost never came to the practice room and we were managed by the coaches only. We still had to take public transportation to get to and from the venues and the team house. Even in the winter, we had to commute between gimpo and mokdong (about 50~85min by bus/subway) and we realized that this affected our conditions for the matches that we had to play that day. After discussing this with the players, we also noticed that there were no differences between the contracted players and the non-contract players and came to a conclusion that this would not be good for the team, so we decided to bring up the issue to boxer and Jessica.

The reply that came back was ‘we cant give the car to cella’ and ‘coach ryu has no license, so he can’t drive at all’. Crank couldn’t stand this, so he volunteered to drive and drove the players to the gomtv studios. Crank was part of the motorized military before, so he had plenty of driving experience.

There was no change and the players’ discontent grew. I asked coach ryu if he had received any wages and he told me that he did not receive anything until February of 2012. Furthermore, when cella accompanied me to mlg in the states, he had to pay for the roaming charges on his cell phone even though Jessica promised to pay for it. Coach ryu asked Jessica about the promised wages and was told that ‘we don’t collect money from the players, you go collect it for yourself’.

About an hour after Jessica told ryu the aforementioned statement, she called me and crank to her house. Boxer and Jessica told me everything and me and crank talked of the discontent that we had. At the end, Jessica said that ‘lets nullify the contract right now’ and asked if we wanted to rip our contracts, but I didn’t want to. We were returned the money that we paid after a week.

TIG: this contrasts with jessica’s statement that a contract was remaining. When did you verify this?
Mma: we trusted Jessica. But this was our mistake. After Jessica said ‘lets rip the contracts’, she gathered all the players and said ‘I wont hold you back if you want to leave the team’.

At this time, the players that wanted to go to a foreign team (ganzi, taeja) had their contracts nullified. After a few days, we asked if the contract was really nullified. However, Jessica said that the contract was only nullified for those that wanted to leave the team on that day only. After hearing this, the players were very disappointed at Jessica and I was hurt by jessica’s duplicity.
*note by editor here says taeja was not in a contract with slayers.

TIG: do you have anything to say about your relegation to B-team in july?
Mma: it was right before the GSTL match. After the aforementioned events, I needed to clear my mind so I went out on Saturday. I cleared my mind and returned. the game was coming up, so the only thing I was thinking was about winning. Jessica stated that I did not return to the team house, but this is false. I did all my tasks, then left on Saturday night and returned on Sunday morning.

After returning, ryung told me what boxer said: ‘mma is like a cancer cell, so I have to quarantine you from him’. After hearing this, I lost all passion for preparing for the GSTL and the team. The thought that ran through my mind was ‘im trying so hard for my team, but this is what they think of me’ and I despaired.

TIG: what kind of communication went between you and boxer?
Mma: boxer told me that I was relegated to the b-team so I should go home. I wondered why I got relegated and did not understand. I wish boxer and Jessica would have told me what I did wrong, but there was no communication between us and I was relegated.

After hearing this from ryung, I packed my bags and told boxer ‘im leaving so you don’t need to relegate me’. Boxer said that I was under a contract so I couldn’t leave on my free will. This made my emotions run high and I told him that this is a slavery contract.

About this statement, I am very sorry. The slavery contract was the contract between the individuals of the management and me, not between the team and me, so even if I transferred, I had to give a portion of the tournament winnings to Jessica. There was silence for 10 minutes and boxer said ‘we do things our way’ and the conversation ended. The next day, the article regarding relegation came out.

TIG: after the article came out, Jessica came to the interview for code a (july 25th)
Mma: I met with Jessica and asked ‘how could you write an article like this’. i asked ‘did I even ask for a transfer to a foreign team?’ and the reply that came back was ‘I’ll rewrite the article if you want’. I was flabbergasted. She then explained me the terms of the ‘slavery contract’. ‘this is nothing. In the entertainment industry, the standard for a contract is 5 or 10 years’

I wondered the relevance of bringing up terms of contracts in the entertainment industry. After, Jessica said that she will not receive any statements about the relegation and cut off questions from reporters. So the interview went out, but it was only about the game itself. I had a little bit to say at the end about my current situation and feelings to the fans.

TIG: you told Jessica you wanted to leave twice
Mma: yes, that’s right. The first time was when everyone at the team house was having a hard time because of the incident with manager J and I could not stand the management badmouthing me so I did not want to be a part of the team anymore. However there were those that helped me out a lot before and I was thankful, so I did not tell them of the current events (I think he’s referring to manager/coaches of other teams). instead, I said I wanted a transfer to a foreign team. Shortly afterwards, talks began with slayers and a foreign team. During this, a lot of facts were hidden from me (by Jessica) so my mistrust grew even more. So I said I wanted to leave the team for a second time

TIG: Jessica said that when you went to foreign events, no one (other Koreans) said hello to you and ostracized you while badmouthing Jessica. Is this true?
Mma: I went to more foreign events than any other members of my team. So I was able to hear bad rumors of Jessica from other people. Although I heard these, I respected her so I was very objective about them. I told Jessica of these, and Jessica said wistfully that she would like to become friendly with other teams as well.

Even after this, there was no change and Jessica even said ‘this is how we don’t get ignored by other teams’. I said that there were other methods of going about this and she said that ‘you have to be vocal to be heard’. Afterwards, I did not tell Jessica what other people thought of her.

TIG: can you tell us of hidden facts regarding the transfer
Mma: afterwards, I was able to find out about the trade negotiations. An incredibly large sum of money was demanded for me even though I had 3 months left on my contract. The talks broke down. This was because of the absurd transfer fee and other inquiries were made to teams that I didn’t even want to go to.

After a month, I was able to verify that in some negotiations, my transfer fee was zero. This change in behavior in Jessica is what ultimately made boxer move to SKT1.

TIG: in april, boxer stated that he stopped playing because of the players. What do you think of this statement
Mma: I think the biggest reason why boxer took a break from playing is because of jessica’s constant interference in and out of the game. Boxer likes to focus and practice. Although he gets angry after a loss, he endures it and continues playing. In situations like this, calls kept coming about unimportant stuff and he sometimes complained that he couldn’t practice because of Jessica.

Because of this, the atmosphere in the team house fell. Jessica likes to read various community sites and berated boxer by saying things like ‘why did you do this’, ‘why didn’t you use this strategy’. Overall, the meddling was pretty severe.
Boxer sometimes said that he wanted to quit gaming because of all the meddling. Because of this, boxer and Jessica argued a lot. During this time period, an article was published saying that boxer’s shoulder conditions were not good. Although his shoulders were not very good from previous times, I think the main reason for boxer’s quitting as a player is because of Jessica.

From a player’s perspective, the interview with Jessica about the team’s disbanding seems to be directed wholly at the players. She fails to acknowledge that she had faults with her managerial skills and tries to blame all of it on us. Therefore, boxer did not lose his will to play because of us.

TIG: Jessica said that mma has no desire to move to a kespa team or play in proleague
Mma: when I was doing well, Jessica said that when slayers could negotiate with kespa teams in the future, she would sell me to SKT1 for a large amount of money. She said that skt1 is the best terran team and wished that I would do better than fantasy (when he transfers).

Before I started playing sc2, I was a practice student in skt1. I was in poor health there. When I played more than 25 games a day, my index finger would start to get paralyzed and my whole hand would hurt. So I only played about 20 games and I spent the rest of the time watching replays and VODS, as well as researching. Back then, the proleague system was a place where I couldn’t do well physically. Somehow, this statement got blown out of proportion and I do not understand this.

TIG: anything else you want to say?
Mma: I want to thank boxer and Jessica for making me a famous player as well as giving me an opportunity in slayers. However, the events that occurred up until now have affected the team in a very bad way and I have also gotten hurt. I want to apologize to boxer and Jessica about these events.

However, I want to state that jessica’s interview in many ways were distorted and a lot of players received unnecessary blame for it. That’s why they agreed to interviews. I apologize for making the fans worry so much. I would also like to apologize for any wrongdoings done by the plays, on behalf of the players. Again, I am very sorry.

Original ThisIsGame article (Korean)


At present, Jessica has released the recorded phone call between herself, Crank, and Boxer. A translation will be posted as it becomes available.

In addition, SlayerS coach Cella recently wrote a number of tweets, with his perspective on a few aspects of the situation as they relate to himself.

@SlayersCella

I wasn't going to write about the recent news if I could avoid it - Crank said that he would leave the team at the end of the season [Note: probably means GSTL/GSL], and asked that I keep it a secret from Jessica for the time being. When he abruptly began to pack his things before the vs. TSL match, and I asked him what he was doing, he said that he planned to go home and play while resting. So I asked him if I could tell Jessica, and he said that he was going to tell her -

- so I guess he told her, she asked me whether it was okay for him to play from home. I replied that he had a prepared strategy for the vs. Fnatic game that he had not used, so it was no problem if he played from home, so we had talked to Jessica and it was fully okay to send him home -

- Also, Crank definitely said that he was leaving the team at the end of the season, and we were in the middle of the season then. He asked if it was okay to play from home, and I said it as okay, and because he said he was leaving the team after the season ended, I thought obviously there would be no problem for him to play in the match, and he was very well prepared as well. So I thought it was fine if he went home to rest and practice -

- and have a final check-up on him after he rejoined the team the day before the match. It was a strategy he had practiced for almost two weeks, so he was as used to it as possible. However, when Crank received the contact regarding entries/roster when he was at home, he complained to me asking why Jessica would do that, so I asked him what the problem was? -

- and he asked me "are you asking because you really don't know?" and I told him I really didn't know, to which he said then "well if you don't know, just keep it that way." I hadn't heard a request to remove himself from the roster befoer that, nor did he tell me that he was going to focus solely on medical care. -

*[Cella's Self Correction Tweet] A correction, he did definitely ask to be removed from the roster. After he went back home. If he asked to be removed from the roster before going back home, he would have had to had discussed it with Jessica. Because it was mid-season, I thought even if he went back home he could play in the match, and anyway I passed on that request to Jessica later. -

- At the time, I had made a bad decision because of my attachment to the team, and I think I contributed to the team heading towards a crisis, and I was criticized heavily by Boxer and Jessica after that. As for that bad decision, I don't want anything to happen to the players, so I'll just take the criticism that I'm covering things up, and shut my mouth about it. -

- Regarding payment, I'm not financially well off, but I'm thankful to Boxer and Jessica for taking in a guy like me, and I did make my own personal goals for what I wanted to achieve with the team. The motivation to reach those goals wasn't money or anything material -

- I told Jessica and Boxer when the team situation and atmosphere wasn't that good, that I could work for the team for two more years, until I was 31, without anything like a salary, and do what I could to achieve those goals. If there wasn't a corporate sponsor by that time, or if the team disbanded before then -

- I said I could go abroad and work myself to death to make up the money I hadn't made before, so they didn't have to worry. Compared to $100,000's they put into the team. Also, that time was just a very bad period, and Boxer and Jessica tried to get me a coaching position on a different team, and I said I wouldn't go -
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
October 22 2012 20:21 GMT
#2
You say I'm the reason why my fiance quit playing?

RELEASE THE PHONE CALL! MORE DRAMA! RAWR!
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Gashnack
Profile Joined June 2011
3 Posts
October 22 2012 20:21 GMT
#3
oh god that was unexpected
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28087 Posts
October 22 2012 20:22 GMT
#4
hmm, very interesting. Recorded phone call, lol? Is this the cia or something.
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Sagamantha
Profile Joined September 2011
United States339 Posts
October 22 2012 20:23 GMT
#5
Wow, finally some clarity from the players themselves on what is/was happening. Good to see these interviews.
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
October 22 2012 20:23 GMT
#6
What MMA said is probably true, but his image in Korea is about to get smashed. Boxer and Jessica might have screamed, fought, and had relationship problems, but who do you think Boxer is going to side with? He's obviously going to just call MMA a liar, cancer, etc. and side with his girlfriend/fiance/wife/whatever she is. Since Boxer is a God in Korea, everyone is going to side with him and shun MMA.

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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
October 22 2012 20:23 GMT
#7
Wow, I'm not sure I can feel much sympathy for Jessica after reading that, not if what MMA says is true. And he seems quite believable.
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rrwrwx
Profile Joined March 2011
United States247 Posts
October 22 2012 20:24 GMT
#8
I think the main reason for boxer’s quitting as a player is because of Jessica.

Whoa.
darthcaesar
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States475 Posts
October 22 2012 20:24 GMT
#9
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33360 Posts
October 22 2012 20:24 GMT
#10
seems like it was just a bad situation on SlayerS where neither the players nor management were doing much to help it improve, and it all got blown up when Jessica decided all the blame belonged to one side.
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tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
October 22 2012 20:26 GMT
#11
On October 23 2012 05:17 Waxangel wrote:
At present, Jessica has released the recorded phone call between herself, Crank, and Boxer.


It's sad for me to say this, but in the past few weeks, the only interesting things to me in SC2 were the rise of a new star in SKT Rain, and this Slayers drama.

Really interested in the translation of the phone call, whenever it arrives.
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Pahan0794
Profile Joined October 2012
Russian Federation2 Posts
October 22 2012 20:26 GMT
#12
feel so bad for MMA( seems like great talent was ruined
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33360 Posts
October 22 2012 20:26 GMT
#13
On October 23 2012 05:24 rrwrwx wrote:
Show nested quote +
I think the main reason for boxer’s quitting as a player is because of Jessica.

Whoa.


meh, edited the translation to be more accurate

it's more "the reason boxer took a break from playing"

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Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
October 22 2012 20:26 GMT
#14
On October 23 2012 05:23 Fionn wrote:
What MMA said is probably true, but his image in Korea is about to get smashed. Boxer and Jessica might have screamed, fought, and had relationship problems, but who do you think Boxer is going to side with? He's obviously going to just call MMA a liar, cancer, etc. and side with his girlfriend/fiance/wife/whatever she is. Since Boxer is a God in Korea, everyone is going to side with him and shun MMA.



Boxer will probably continue to say nothing while Jessica goes apeshit.
SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
October 22 2012 20:27 GMT
#15
Whoah........
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 22 2012 20:27 GMT
#16
Jeadong needs to deathstare this shit into silence so we can finally just watch the game
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 22 2012 20:28 GMT
#17
Say what you will about LoL they will never match us for drama.
On a more serious note I wonder if this will do anything, I don't think the Koreans will ever side against boxer who's going to support Jessica this may bring the foreign fans to MMA and crank's side but I don't think it will do much for Korean thoughts on him.
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
October 22 2012 20:28 GMT
#18
It's getting very hard to have any respect for jessica with each new interview. It's depressing to know that she is going to ruin the reputations and careers in korea of so many people just because of the fact that she's boxers girlfriend, and that we can't do anything about it.
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HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 20:29:03
October 22 2012 20:28 GMT
#19
It will be very interesting to see the reactions to this; as well as the translation of the call.
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BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
October 22 2012 20:28 GMT
#20
On October 23 2012 05:24 Waxangel wrote:
seems like it was just a bad situation on SlayerS where neither the players nor management were doing much to help it improve, and it all got blown up when Jessica decided all the blame belonged to one side.


Could you please put this above the thread. This is the most believeable conclusion we will ever get.
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